Re: [videoblogging] Copyright Music?
So just to be clear... you guys are all cool with someone (oh, I dunno, let's say a musician) taking your video, and using it in any way they like, for whatever purpose they choose, even if you don't agree with it, and even if you have not released it under a sharing license? So if a multinational corporation uses your video and makes money from it, you're OK with that? If a huge record label uses it as they please, it's all good? I'm a huge supporter of Creative Commons, but I'm also respectful of people's work and allowing them to choose how they share it/how it is used, and not just being a jerk and taking it. I'd expect all creatives to think in a similar way, but sadly, I'm always amazed by people who work hard in one craft (let's say video) are so willing to take what someone else has created (let's say a musician) and do what they please with it without permission, or attribution, or anything else. (Sorry for the rant, it's been a while! :) Pete John Coffey wrote: What is copyright music? I've been BUYING lp's, 45's, 78's, cassettes mp3's cd's for over 40 years now. Is any ot this copyright music? John Coffey
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Hey Pete, I'm cool with that. It would be great to get attribution (or even $) but really I just want people to see what I make. I don't pretend that I've made anything wholly original (I don't think anyone has) and I'm happy for people to use it as inspiration. Artists build off of the work of others without permission all of the time and to pretend otherwise is dishonest. In this world I think (and it's the case for myself personally) artists are more often negatively impacted by obscurity than by someone using their work without permission. Here's a recent video I made using some music from The Flaming Lips: http://michaelverdi.com/2009/11/03/embryonic/ The band did not loose anything in this transaction. Hopefully they've gained a new fan or two. In fact the whole reason I even bought that album was because I'd fallen in love with other albums of theirs that I'd downloaded illegally. Again that transaction (the illegal download) didn't cost the band a dime because I wasn't going to purchase those albums anyway and it resulted in me purchasing their latest. In fact I'd love to give them some more of my money to see them in concert (and probably buy a t-shirt) during their current tour. This craziness that publishing something entitles you to a monopoly on it that can be extended for a ridiculous amount of time is well, ridiculous. And in the case of non-commercial reuse, e.g. free advertising, can be harmful to try to enforce. You end up treating fans or customers like criminals. That's an easy way to appear like an asshole. Anyone here ever have to call Microsoft after reinstalling Windows? What a bunch of bullshit that is. Anyway, I could go on and on - this topic makes me so angry. Or rather what makes me angry is that we've let corporations set the conversation (and laws) about what property is and we've got artists totally buying into it even though for 99.9% of them it's not in their self-interest (it's like poor people voting for Republicans). What I'm always amazed by is that artists steal intellectual property like they breath air and then get pissed when someone else returns the honor. - Verdi On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail.com wrote: So just to be clear... you guys are all cool with someone (oh, I dunno, let's say a musician) taking your video, and using it in any way they like, for whatever purpose they choose, even if you don't agree with it, and even if you have not released it under a sharing license? So if a multinational corporation uses your video and makes money from it, you're OK with that? If a huge record label uses it as they please, it's all good? I'm a huge supporter of Creative Commons, but I'm also respectful of people's work and allowing them to choose how they share it/how it is used, and not just being a jerk and taking it. I'd expect all creatives to think in a similar way, but sadly, I'm always amazed by people who work hard in one craft (let's say video) are so willing to take what someone else has created (let's say a musician) and do what they please with it without permission, or attribution, or anything else. (Sorry for the rant, it's been a while! :) Pete John Coffey wrote: What is copyright music? I've been BUYING lp's, 45's, 78's, cassettes mp3's cd's for over 40 years now. Is any ot this copyright music? John Coffey Yahoo! Groups Links -- Michael Verdi http://michaelverdi.com http://talkbot.tv
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for a client i would not even consider using any assets that were not legally cleared. for personal hobby videos... i am willing to risk it and promote music for free :) i plan to do this for an entire album soon. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Roxanne Darling oke...@gmail.com wrote: Ok so I got hood-winked - a little - as I figured you would know this stuff Mr John but then why ask the question? Sorry I was gone while you were in Hawaii... And yes, I to am in favor of push back - but like Jay, for client work I'm not gonna go there unless they insist. Like David says, there are lots of missed opportunities here due to old world thinking. And, there are missed royalties too, as you can't squeeze 'em out of an old system that people just don't respect anymore. If people weren't pushing against the rules, the enforcers wouldn't realize how much they are due for change. Carry on, Rox On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM, David King davidleek...@gmail.com wrote: Don't remember who, but I heard someone say music companies should embrace the personal copying/reuse of their music, and instead of blocking it in YouTube, for example ... notice it, and then add targeted ads when the song is played. Music companies would end up with more money, individuals wouldn't hate the music company for blocking their perfect song for the video, and everybody would kiss and make up. Ok, probably not quite to that extent, but you get my drift... :-) David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com jay.dedman%40gmail.com wrote: Jay, I thought you like to break the rules? haha yeah. break away. I dot see how music companies will slow down the use of music in personal creation. and as we all know, its free advertising for them. jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Copyright Music?
John - Most likely the large majority (if not all) of that purchased music is full copyright. Your purchase is for personal use - not any for of re-use or public broadcast, unless you acquire additional licensing permissions, generally in bulk via BMI and/or ASCAP. YouTube is pulling videos that use copy-written music. There are lots of independent artists however who would love for you to use their music and give them on-screen credit and on-page links. http://www.iodapromonet.com is one of my current faves. Check out the wiki for this group for more: http://videoblogginggroup.pbworks.com/Places+to+find+Music Aloha, Rox On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM, John Coffey jimmycrackhead2...@yahoo.comwrote: I also am very dependent on a layer of music. Like Verdi had said recently regarding his use of copyrighted music - Fuck copyright - I too often disregard it (though it's right to give proper attribution). What is copyright music? I've been BUYING lp's, 45's, 78's, cassettes mp3's cd's for over 40 years now. Is any ot this copyright music? John Coffey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Roz, I was kidding about not knowing copyright. Have you seen the price of concert tickets and service charges? Don't care about my videos on YouTube. Copyright music sure helped out The Wedding Dance video and Chris Brown I now watch Verdis last video to hear the music till I Buy some Flamin Lips mp3s. I go to my 40 years of music collection as the go to for my videos. Aloha, Hawaii was fun last August. John --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Roxanne Darling oke...@gmail.com wrote: From: Roxanne Darling oke...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Copyright Music? To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 4:53 PM John - Most likely the large majority (if not all) of that purchased music is full copyright. Your purchase is for personal use - not any for of re-use or public broadcast, unless you acquire additional licensing permissions, generally in bulk via BMI and/or ASCAP. YouTube is pulling videos that use copy-written music. There are lots of independent artists however who would love for you to use their music and give them on-screen credit and on-page links. http://www.iodapromonet.com is one of my current faves. Check out the wiki for this group for more: http://videoblogginggroup.pbworks.com/Places+to+find+Music Aloha, Rox On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM, John Coffey jimmycrackhead2...@yahoo.comwrote: I also am very dependent on a layer of music. Like Verdi had said recently regarding his use of copyrighted music - Fuck copyright - I too often disregard it (though it's right to give proper attribution). What is copyright music? I've been BUYING lp's, 45's, 78's, cassettes mp3's cd's for over 40 years now. Is any ot this copyright music? John Coffey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Copyright Music?
Jay, I thought you like to break the rules? haha yeah. break away. I dot see how music companies will slow down the use of music in personal creation. and as we all know, its free advertising for them. jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Copyright Music?
Don't remember who, but I heard someone say music companies should embrace the personal copying/reuse of their music, and instead of blocking it in YouTube, for example ... notice it, and then add targeted ads when the song is played. Music companies would end up with more money, individuals wouldn't hate the music company for blocking their perfect song for the video, and everybody would kiss and make up. Ok, probably not quite to that extent, but you get my drift... :-) David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: Jay, I thought you like to break the rules? haha yeah. break away. I dot see how music companies will slow down the use of music in personal creation. and as we all know, its free advertising for them. jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Copyright Music?
Ok so I got hood-winked - a little - as I figured you would know this stuff Mr John but then why ask the question? Sorry I was gone while you were in Hawaii... And yes, I to am in favor of push back - but like Jay, for client work I'm not gonna go there unless they insist. Like David says, there are lots of missed opportunities here due to old world thinking. And, there are missed royalties too, as you can't squeeze 'em out of an old system that people just don't respect anymore. If people weren't pushing against the rules, the enforcers wouldn't realize how much they are due for change. Carry on, Rox On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM, David King davidleek...@gmail.com wrote: Don't remember who, but I heard someone say music companies should embrace the personal copying/reuse of their music, and instead of blocking it in YouTube, for example ... notice it, and then add targeted ads when the song is played. Music companies would end up with more money, individuals wouldn't hate the music company for blocking their perfect song for the video, and everybody would kiss and make up. Ok, probably not quite to that extent, but you get my drift... :-) David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.comjay.dedman%40gmail.com wrote: Jay, I thought you like to break the rules? haha yeah. break away. I dot see how music companies will slow down the use of music in personal creation. and as we all know, its free advertising for them. jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
