[videoblogging] Re: 1000 True Fans
Brilliant stuff! I still hope we'll get past the idea that advertising is the only way to monetize online video, and have more discussions along these lines. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A followup to the 1000 true fans post: http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/04/the_reality_of.php - Verdi On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is that a videoblogger could make a living from just 1000 true fans: http://tinyurl.com/32zzlp I forgot to add how much I like this blog post. Ive always felt like video creators (like many here) could make a living directly from a fanbase. if you make good stuffi believe people will invest in you. but as the blog post discusses, it means you got to be willing to build a relationship with people. its almost like an unspoken contract. much different than just picking up a paycheck. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://graymattergravy.com http://reportsfromthefuture.com http://michaelverdi.com
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That was quite an interesting read. Robert Rich sounds like a very cool guy. It seems to me that this 1000 true fans idea needs some support. If we didn't waste so much money on the corporate media, it'd be very easy to accomplish. Cable TV sucks up, minimum, $600 per year. See a movie once a month with your girlfriend, and we're looking at another $600. Add in some CDs and DVDs for the pop culture junkies and we hop up to $2000 per year easy. I'd really like to see a concerted effort to boycott corporate media and try to hit them in the pocketbook to get a little bit of leverage to extract some broadcast concessions for public media. These concessions should be minor in the coming years as the advent of digital distribution hits. I'm already on board on the boycott, not having cable and I totally refuse to watch ABC ever again after that for profit inquisition masquerading as a 'debate. I'm sure there are a boatload of people thoughtfully abstaining from corporate media consumption, probably quite a few on this list. A website and petition could go a long way towards giving the corporate media pause in taking their audience for granted. Thanks for posting this thoughtful essay by Kelly and Rich. I'm going to have to buy some ambient music. Cheers Ron On Apr 24, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: Brilliant stuff! I still hope we'll get past the idea that advertising is the only way to monetize online video, and have more discussions along these lines. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A followup to the 1000 true fans post: http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/04/the_reality_of.php - Verdi On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is that a videoblogger could make a living from just 1000 true fans: http://tinyurl.com/32zzlp I forgot to add how much I like this blog post. Ive always felt like video creators (like many here) could make a living directly from a fanbase. if you make good stuffi believe people will invest in you. but as the blog post discusses, it means you got to be willing to build a relationship with people. its almost like an unspoken contract. much different than just picking up a paycheck. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://graymattergravy.com http://reportsfromthefuture.com http://michaelverdi.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 1000 True Fans
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is that a videoblogger could make a living from just 1000 true fans: http://tinyurl.com/32zzlp I forgot to add how much I like this blog post. Ive always felt like video creators (like many here) could make a living directly from a fanbase. if you make good stuffi believe people will invest in you. but as the blog post discusses, it means you got to be willing to build a relationship with people. its almost like an unspoken contract. much different than just picking up a paycheck. jay My problem with this, and maybe I am tainted by my history, is that the fans can't all be creators like you are. It's the old all my friends are in a band problem. You're in a band, and your friend is in a different band, and your other friends are in another band. That's all good, but when you play a show, will your friends who are also in bands come, and pay to get in, and buy your shirts and albums? And if they do, do you to do the same? Go to their shows, buy their shirts and albums? If so, where does the money come from? Most likely it comes from all of you working some other job, unrelated to the band. So I want to support Jay and pay $100 a year, but that is $100 out of my budget of me being an artist, and getting the equipment/supplies I need to create art, and support myself. So who will pay me $100 a year? Not Jay, as the whole thing is pointless then because it cancels itself out, so it will be someone else, probably someone who works a normal job and makes enough money to be a fan. It seems like the whole concept relies on the fan to make money to support an artist. I know, that is the whole idea, right? But how do we still be each other's fans if we can't support each other financially? Maybe we just support each other emotionally. Thoughts? Pete
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Hey Heath, our families must be kin. When I remind family of a video, they ask you still doing that? JC Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't even get my family to watch my videos.but then again, they know me, so maybe that has something to do with it... all kidding aside, interesting principal Heath http://batmangeek.com http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is that a videoblogger could make a living from just 1000 true fans: what can an artist do to escape the long tail? One solution is to find 1,000 True Fans. While some artists have discovered this path without calling it that, I think it is worth trying to formalize. The gist of 1,000 True Fans can be stated simply: A creator, such as an artist, musician, photographer, craftsperson, performer, animator, designer, videomaker, or author - in other words, anyone producing works of art - needs to acquire only 1,000 True Fans to make a living. A True Fan is defined as someone who will purchase anything and everything you produce. They will drive 200 miles to see you sing. They will buy the super deluxe re-issued hi-res box set of your stuff even though they have the low-res version. They have a Google Alert set for your name. They bookmark the eBay page where your out-of- print editions show up. They come to your openings. They have you sign their copies. They buy the t-shirt, and the mug, and the hat. They can't wait till you issue your next work. They are true fans. http://tinyurl.com/32zzlp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: 1000 True Fans
I can't even get my family to watch my videos.but then again, they know me, so maybe that has something to do with it... all kidding aside, interesting principal Heath http://batmangeek.com http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is that a videoblogger could make a living from just 1000 true fans: what can an artist do to escape the long tail? One solution is to find 1,000 True Fans. While some artists have discovered this path without calling it that, I think it is worth trying to formalize. The gist of 1,000 True Fans can be stated simply: A creator, such as an artist, musician, photographer, craftsperson, performer, animator, designer, videomaker, or author - in other words, anyone producing works of art - needs to acquire only 1,000 True Fans to make a living. A True Fan is defined as someone who will purchase anything and everything you produce. They will drive 200 miles to see you sing. They will buy the super deluxe re-issued hi-res box set of your stuff even though they have the low-res version. They have a Google Alert set for your name. They bookmark the eBay page where your out-of- print editions show up. They come to your openings. They have you sign their copies. They buy the t-shirt, and the mug, and the hat. They can't wait till you issue your next work. They are true fans. http://tinyurl.com/32zzlp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: 1000 True Fans
I think this is just about right on. I've estimated I have about 300 of what Kevin Kelly calls true fans, and I am earning about 1/3 of my living with my self-publishing (in print and eBooks). Over the past three years it has been my objective to shift my position left-ward on the long-tail, increasing access to my fans, and increasing my income, largely using interactive video over the internet to connect more closely with those who can pay me for my helping them care for their historic buildings. This past year it really seems to be working and Kevin's essay 1000 True Fans crystalizes my thinking on this and gives me new criteria for measuring my success, and two new ways to push in that direction. Andrew, thanks for posting this. John by hammer and hand great works do stand by pen and thought best words are wrought by cam and light he shoots it right www.HistoricHomeWorks.com
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So, what do you do when you have zero true fans? -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/greentime I think this is just about right on. I've estimated I have about 300 of what Kevin Kelly calls true fans, and I am earning about 1/3 of my living with my self-publishing (in print and eBooks). Over the past three years it has been my objective to shift my position left-ward on the long-tail, increasing access to my fans, and increasing my income, largely using interactive video over the internet to connect more closely with those who can pay me for my helping them care for their historic buildings. This past year it really seems to be working and Kevin's essay 1000 True Fans crystalizes my thinking on this and gives me new criteria for measuring my success, and two new ways to push in that direction. Andrew, thanks for posting this. John by hammer and hand great works do stand by pen and thought best words are wrought by cam and light he shoots it right www.HistoricHomeWorks.com Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Re: 1000 True Fans
So, what do you do when you have zero true fans? Find a way to help people so much, and make it so easy for them to give you want, that they spontaneously give it to you. John hammer and hand pen and thought cam and light www.HistoricHomeWorks.com
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Ha - Heath, now just ask the family for $100 each and see what happens! No, wait - it must break down with family... :-) David Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't even get my family to watch my videos.but then again, they know me, so maybe that has something to do with it... all kidding aside, interesting principal Heath http://batmangeek.com http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is that a videoblogger could make a living from just 1000 true fans: what can an artist do to escape the long tail? One solution is to find 1,000 True Fans. While some artists have discovered this path without calling it that, I think it is worth trying to formalize. The gist of 1,000 True Fans can be stated simply: A creator, such as an artist, musician, photographer, craftsperson, performer, animator, designer, videomaker, or author - in other words, anyone producing works of art - needs to acquire only 1,000 True Fans to make a living. A True Fan is defined as someone who will purchase anything and everything you produce. They will drive 200 miles to see you sing. They will buy the super deluxe re-issued hi-res box set of your stuff even though they have the low-res version. They have a Google Alert set for your name. They bookmark the eBay page where your out-of- print editions show up. They come to your openings. They have you sign their copies. They buy the t-shirt, and the mug, and the hat. They can't wait till you issue your next work. They are true fans. http://tinyurl.com/32zzlp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 1000 True Fans
So... How do I take my 1000 interested and somewhat engaged fans and turn them into 'true fans'? A bit about my history, and what I consider to be the problem... I've been doing online video for about 10 years now. This video here: http://blip.tv/posts/stats/8523 has been seen by just about every Disc Dogger with an internet connection on the planet. We've been teaching Dog Frisbee in North America and Europe for about 5 years, and have a great reputation as teachers, judges and competitors. I started k9disc.com a Disc Dog portal and discussion forum about 4 years ago, and it has been quite successful. Here's where the problem comes in: I've been giving instruction and tips away for people for about 4 years now, and I think that's been a bit of a problem. It seems that people would rather pay for an inferior product than to get a quality product for free. The Disc Dog community, as a group, tends to stifle people that try to do things differently - especially when there's accolades of money involved in the equation. It's very strange. I've largely avoided this problem, but it's still around here in the states and it's developing in Europe. So, how do I get past the 'it used to be free, now it's costing me' and the negative group dynamics on new ideas and projects to enable my 1000 interested and somewhat engaged fans and turn them into 'true fans'. Just kind of tossing things out there and could use the help. Cheers, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:32 PM, johnleeke wrote: I think this is just about right on. I've estimated I have about 300 of what Kevin Kelly calls true fans, and I am earning about 1/3 of my living with my self-publishing (in print and eBooks). Over the past three years it has been my objective to shift my position left-ward on the long-tail, increasing access to my fans, and increasing my income, largely using interactive video over the internet to connect more closely with those who can pay me for my helping them care for their historic buildings. This past year it really seems to be working and Kevin's essay 1000 True Fans crystalizes my thinking on this and gives me new criteria for measuring my success, and two new ways to push in that direction. Andrew, thanks for posting this. John by hammer and hand great works do stand by pen and thought best words are wrought by cam and light he shoots it right www.HistoricHomeWorks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
