Re: [videoblogging] Re: 2010 the year of the flip?
Yup, if you're used to video as it's existed for past X number of years (especially consumer video) is nothing at all like the Red. It's a digital cinema camera and if you know the world of film cameras, you may love it. If you know the world of video, well, there's a steep learning curve. A lot of the Red operation can require 2 people, and I don't think there are many people buying them nowadays to play around with though. Maybe the Red Scarlet when it comes out... Its still not clear when this camera will actually be on sale: http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/red-scarlet-2-3-priced-detailed-and-wanted/ It certainly is a cool, weird looking camera: http://www.engadget.com/photos/red-scarlet-2-3-priced-detailed-and-wanted/2492121#2492127 Ive been putting off buying a Digital SLR that records HD video (like the MarkV)to get the Red Scarlet. It'll be like having a film camera in your palm. This kind of camera isnt for amateurs. The Flip, Xacti, and Kodak are perfect as pocket cameras as Joly said. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://momentshowing.net http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Re: 2010 the year of the flip?
Broadly speaking Red make cameras that are the digital equivalent to film cameras used in cinematography. They want to set a new standard for affordable high-spec modular cameras. Bt thats affordable compared to equivalents in that high end of the marketplace, their stuff is considerably more expensive than the sort of video cameras vloggers and others are likely to come across. Results can be stunning but the workflow and skills required to operate the camera are quite a bit different to what people are used to from video cameras, its far more like being a camera operator for cinema, which is something I know very little about but from what I understand its not exactly 'point and shoot'. Cheers Seve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jim Turner jtur...@... wrote: Give us the deets Pete. What are the specs etc on RedOne as it looks intriguing. Jim On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Pete Prodoehl ras...@... wrote: Hmmm, the Flip? I'm shooting with the RED ONE in 2010. :) Pete Joly MacFie wrote: I think the flip (I got the HD for xmas) could be transformational - it's like the brownie cam of videoblogging.. It's not just the cam but also the flipshare software/service that comes with it... It's pretty much idiot-proof.. j On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:33 PM, David Jones david.jo...@...david.jones%40altium.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:42 AM, elbowsofdeath st...@...steve%40dvmachine.com wrote: Belated new years greetings to all, Ive not been keeping up with the list much in the last year or so but am back again for now... -- Jim Turner One By One Media, LLC www.onebyonemedia.com www.bloggersforhire.com @Genuine this email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 2010 the year of the flip?
Yup, if you're used to video as it's existed for past X number of years (especially consumer video) is nothing at all like the Red. It's a digital cinema camera and if you know the world of film cameras, you may love it. If you know the world of video, well, there's a steep learning curve. A lot of the Red operation can require 2 people, and I don't think there are many people buying them nowadays to play around with though. Maybe the Red Scarlet when it comes out... Pete elbowsofdeath wrote: Broadly speaking Red make cameras that are the digital equivalent to film cameras used in cinematography. They want to set a new standard for affordable high-spec modular cameras. Bt thats affordable compared to equivalents in that high end of the marketplace, their stuff is considerably more expensive than the sort of video cameras vloggers and others are likely to come across. Results can be stunning but the workflow and skills required to operate the camera are quite a bit different to what people are used to from video cameras, its far more like being a camera operator for cinema, which is something I know very little about but from what I understand its not exactly 'point and shoot'. Cheers Seve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jim Turner jtur...@... wrote: Give us the deets Pete. What are the specs etc on RedOne as it looks intriguing. Jim On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Pete Prodoehl ras...@... wrote: Hmmm, the Flip? I'm shooting with the RED ONE in 2010. :) Pete Joly MacFie wrote: I think the flip (I got the HD for xmas) could be transformational - it's like the brownie cam of videoblogging.. It's not just the cam but also the flipshare software/service that comes with it... It's pretty much idiot-proof.. j On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:33 PM, David Jones david.jo...@...david.jones%40altium.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:42 AM, elbowsofdeath st...@...steve%40dvmachine.com wrote: Belated new years greetings to all, Ive not been keeping up with the list much in the last year or so but am back again for now...
[videoblogging] Re: 2010 the year of the flip?
I stumbled into Retro Thing a few days ago, it took me two hours to find my way out. Seriously, I was deep in the archives. Retro camcorders and assemble edit systems? Oh my I was having a public access tv flashback! Way cool, Gena http://createvideonotebook.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bohu bo...@... wrote: Jim Turner wrote: I bought two when they came out. One didnt work out of the box and the other is now dead. I've got four of them, and I did have one croak on me during an upgrade. Their software zorched the firmware during the upgrade. I think that it was part of a known problem at the time. Flip reluctantly replaced the camera, though it was out of warranty. I have been unexpectedly happy with the results of those cameras. I'm mostly accustomed to pro stuff, and this has encouraged me to be way more spontaneous with shooting than normal. I am headed to the Kodak Zi8 and it has mic in. I have this one as well. The mic jack is very nice. It's SO close to being the perfect pocket camera... The VU meter doesn't stay on while you're recording, and I found it to be pretty inaccurate. I recorded a whole conference with one, and the audio all came out pretty crummy even though the VU meters showed that I was well below distorting. My other complaint is that there's no way to connect a headphone up or a monitor while you're recording. Plugging anything into that jack automatically shunts the camera into playback mode. One more thing. The 1080 mode isn't ready for primetime yet. While we're all used to there being some shearing with left and right rapid movement of the camera, at 1080 it doesn't take much at all to get the image to get VERY wonky. If you're filming a talking head against a static background, you'll be fine. Anything else and you'll really exaggerate the shearing. Using it as a 5MP camera is an unexpected bonus. I'm not a camera phone guy, so this is the first time I feel like I hav a camera with me anywhere I go. The macro function is GREAT too. For my website at retrothing.com I do a lot of closeups of gadgets. I think that this camera will come in very handy for that. For what it costs, it's pretty amazing. I will do a video review of it one of these days, especially pitting it against the Flip HD. Both have very pleasing pictures, and both yield video formats that are hard for me ot edit (G). I'm also interested in the Sanyo camera. Can't recall the model # - it's something 2000 I think. It's ability to use external mics and larger lens really interest me. -- -- Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) modern filmmaker
