Re: [videoblogging] Re: Questions Regarding Sponsorships, Underwriting, Ads, and Rates, etc.
jmedakev wrote: [snip] Don't listen to Verdi. Clearly he's an unrealistic idealist. My advice is that we *should* listen to Verdi, because he is an idealist. We need more Verdi's in the world... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Questions Regarding Sponsorships, Underwriting, Ads, and Rates, etc.
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:26:44 +0200, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I don't really feel comfortable with the idea of video files with scripting and side effects anyway. How long before the first Quicktime virus brings it all tumbling down ? QT's interaction with your file system is very limited. You can't write a virus if you can't make QT handle executables or at least write to the file system. a QT virus is impossible. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Questions Regarding Sponsorships, Underwriting, Ads, and Rates, etc.
This is like watching a comedy Roast with Don Rickles. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Verdi wrote: I wasn't trying to cruelly shame somebody out of their dream. I'm all about helping people do their thing. My whole point is, if you want to make money as a content producer go do TV or radio because it's not happening here. If you do want to videoblog, I stand by my advice. I think it's good for everyone. Is your advice sound? Yes. Is your attitude poor? Yes. The guy would probably be perfectly happy to start without sponsorship, but he doesn't know any better, it appears. You could have provided that same advice without pouncing on the guy. Seriously, every time someone mentions the topic of sponsorship, advertising, making money in any way, etc, no matter how misguided, you've gone into a tirade. I really like you, your work is awesome, and your rants crack me the hell up. Your work has been invaluable to the community, but sometimes you really piss me off (yeah, I know, I do my fair share of pissing off too). Thusly, I've answered with a Verdi-style rant in vlog. http://clintsharp.com/archives/2005/08/13/rant/ Clint -- Clint Sharp New Media Guy Technologist ClintSharp.com Contact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/ We are the media. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Questions Regarding Sponsorships, Underwriting, Ads, and Rates, etc.
interesting... wonder if it fails quietly if the device is offline... also would want to ensure that the user knows what the dealio is too... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, with QT files at least, I hear you can install a hyperlink ping to occur at some reference point. So, every time someone watches the end of the commercial, say, you could have the QT file ping a server. On Aug 13, 2005, at 1:48 PM, t.whid wrote: SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Questions Regarding Sponsorships, Underwriting, Ads, and Rates, etc.
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:56:19 +0200, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, with QT files at least, I hear you can install a hyperlink ping to occur at some reference point. So, every time someone watches the end of the commercial, say, you could have the QT file ping a server. Barring tools like LiveStage Pro which I'm not all that familiar with yet... QT allows you to load an URL at a given point, but this URL is made visible to the viewer (it either opens in their browser or in a Quicktime window) making it not-so-usable for this kind of stuff. One thing I did make a proof of concept of was the use of an image. Quicktime loads the image at a certain point, but the image is really a web script returning an image. This makes logging of viewers possible. However, you cannot do this easily (that is without LiveStage Pro) with self-contained files. If you just save as self-contained in QT Pro you end up with the image being saved in the .mov itself (and thus it won't hit your server). IIRC you also have to use SMIL - if you don't QT will load the image at the begining of playback no matter when the image is to be shown. Even with SMIL the image will be loaded ahead of time so you can't use this technique to get very detailed stats (you can maybe determine viewers in 5 second blocks). - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Questions Regarding Sponsorships, Underwriting, Ads, and Rates, etc.
If we are talking scale, it would be more beneficial to go with the downloadable/ping scenario, I would assume, because: 1. most computers that are prepared for quality streaming are likely hard-wired-online anyway. 2. Cell phone distributions or other platforms that might normally just connect to get the data and then go off-line again, will likely not be up for streaming, because that is big service cost to stay online. 3. If you can make ad money without paying for bandwidth, that would be the biggest reason. 4. Considering we know nothing about how many people watch any given TV show, even with d/l files, you can be way more accurate than the advertiser demand on TV. 5. According to the Red vs. Blue guys, who receive 1 million d/l a week from their weekly show, its to the advantage of the content creator to not be overly specific because deep down inside, you may feel that your video is being watched by more people than are reported (sometimes two people are in the room when they watch your video, or someone e-mails it to a friend or watches again, etc.) 6. By having the file d/l instead of streaming, you are allowing for a wider distribution potential, it seems. I should be working but this is like relaxing to me :)0) On Aug 13, 2005, at 2:00 PM, t.whid wrote: interesting... wonder if it fails quietly if the device is offline... also would want to ensure that the user knows what the dealio is too... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, with QT files at least, I hear you can install a hyperlink ping to occur at some reference point. So, every time someone watches the end of the commercial, say, you could have the QT file ping a server. On Aug 13, 2005, at 1:48 PM, t.whid wrote: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href="" href="http://us.ard.yahoo.com/">http://us.ard.yahoo.com/ SIG=12h8bi4e2/M=362335.6886445.7839731.1510227/D=groups/ S=1705554021:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123963233/A=2894361/R=0/SIG=13jmebhbo/ *http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/education/digitaldivide/? source=YAHOOcmpgn=GRPRTP=http://groups.yahoo.com/In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide!/a./font ~- Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Questions Regarding Sponsorships, Underwriting, Ads, and Rates, etc.
#7 Video wont stream to the video ipod or psp or other portable devices. On Aug 13, 2005, at 2:14 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: If we are talking scale, it would be more beneficial to go with the downloadable/ping scenario, I would assume, because: 1. most computers that are prepared for quality streaming are likely hard-wired-online anyway. 2. Cell phone distributions or other platforms that might normally just connect to get the data and then go off-line again, will likely not be up for streaming, because that is big service cost to stay online. 3. If you can make ad money without paying for bandwidth, that would be the biggest reason. 4. Considering we know nothing about how many people watch any given TV show, even with d/l files, you can be way more accurate than the advertiser demand on TV. 5. According to the Red vs. Blue guys, who receive 1 million d/l a week from their weekly show, its to the advantage of the content creator to not be overly specific because deep down inside, you may feel that your video is being watched by more people than are reported (sometimes two people are in the room when they watch your video, or someone e-mails it to a friend or watches again, etc.) 6. By having the file d/l instead of streaming, you are allowing for a wider distribution potential, it seems. I should be working but this is like relaxing to me :)0) On Aug 13, 2005, at 2:00 PM, t.whid wrote: interesting... wonder if it fails quietly if the device is offline... also would want to ensure that the user knows what the dealio is too... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, with QT files at least, I hear you can install a hyperlink ping to occur at some reference point. So, every time someone watches the end of the commercial, say, you could have the QT file ping a server. On Aug 13, 2005, at 1:48 PM, t.whid wrote: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href="" href="http://us.ard.yahoo.com/">http://us.ard.yahoo.com/ SIG=12h8bi4e2/M=362335.6886445.7839731.1510227/D=groups/ S=1705554021:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123963233/A=2894361/R=0/SIG=13jmebhbo/ *http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/education/digitaldivide/? source=YAHOOcmpgn=GRPRTP=http://groups.yahoo.com/In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide!/a./font ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href="" href="http://us.ard.yahoo.com/">http://us.ard.yahoo.com/ SIG=12hegosgc/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/ S=1705554021:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123964093/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/ *http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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You've not heard a word Verdi said. Apples oranges. J -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://blog.urbanartadventures.com http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com http://the-hold.blogspot.com . On Aug 13, 2005, at 1:31 PM, jmedakev wrote: Verdi, You're off in la la land. You know more then anyone video blogging takes money and time. So what if this guy wants to work out a business model to get some compensation. You keep selling yourself short and working for free. In the mean time, others will figure out ways to bring fresh creative content to the world and make some money to continue their work at the same time. Mike, I've had a lot of luck finding sponsors. It helps when they agree with your message. Find the people who are looking to contact your audience and approach them. I've also had luck finding a TV station to air my stuff. This helps tremendously. There are small TV stations everywhere that are looking for fresh content to sell to advertisers. Don't listen to Verdi. Clearly he's an unrealistic idealist. Jamie thekeverreport.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 12, 2005, at 8:25 PM, RadioMike Perazzetti wrote: My colleague and I have been brainstorming podcasting ideas and we figure the best way to do it and do it right is to obtain underwriting, sponsorships, and the like with advertising coming in at a close second or third. Hey Mike, This is pretty much a flame. Don't take it personally, I don't even know who you are. Your email though brings up what I think is a really important point that I didn't want to let slide. Personally, I think that quote above tells me your looking at this whole thing as a means to make a buck. In my opinion this dooms you to a life of producing complete and utter bullshit. Listen, if your stuff hit the right demographic and was bland enough you'd be on the radio or TV already. Since it's not, you must be looking to be a low budget imitation of bland, mindless crap. That doesn't seem like a very good business plan. Here's my suggestion: you and your colleague should go get yourselves on the radio or TV if that's what you want. If, on the other hand, what you really want is to podcast or videoblog, I have a few places to start: 1. Brainstorm some good ideas about content and forget about good ideas for underwriting. 2. Better yet, fuck brainstorming, if you're creative you probably have some stuff you're just dying to do - do that instead. 3. Quit lurking around and just get started. Then get better at it. Peace -- Verdi http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://graymattergravy.com Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fun fact: the remake of the Dukes of Hazzard TV show is the top movie this week at 30.6 million dollars... Holy crap. When i read this i fell down, wet my pants, and crawled to my bed to weep into my pillow. I dont care if you are arguing about money or art or whatever the heck. just please for the love of all that is holy, don't stop, or do anything to discourage one another to stop. please. sweet christmas... dukes of hazard Dave YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Saturday, August 13, 2005, 6:56:19 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: Apparently, with QT files at least, I hear you can install a hyperlink ping to occur at some reference point. So, every time someone watches the end of the commercial, say, you could have the QT file ping a server. This is one of those ideas that sounds reasonable until you look at it from the other side and see how much effort people already put into preventing just this sort of spyware. Anyone using it would get hated real quick. Also note that (as Andrew pointed out a little later) this model fails completely when content is downloaded when on-line, but viewed offline or on a portable device. This is already how the majority of podcasts are listened to, and the proportion of video watched this way is (slowly) increasing. Finally, not everyone uses the official QT player to play even QT movies. I usually use the free VLC player, for example, whch works fine for basic video/audio tracks but largely ignores any other fancy stuff. Other people automatically transcode into a preferred format, which would also almost always lose such tricks. Personally, I don't really feel comfortable with the idea of video files with scripting and side effects anyway. How long before the first Quicktime virus brings it all tumbling down ? -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Take a look at www.Cnet.com, they have videos embedded everywhere products, product testing, commercials...but it's all Flash Video. jad www.dummycast.com www.madpod.com www.madlymedia.com www.moonvideo.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Verdi's critique about making a buck podcasting or vlogging is understandably paranoid. In most media, the bland and the bad crowd out the unique and the good. I heard my first critique about using vlogging to make money last night at a special event at the Apple Store in SoHo. The presenters ran a film/video two-day workshop ($495 to $595 for 16 hours hand-on instruction) which seemed to be the reason for their presentation. They said they had gone to a website that sold magic tricks. Instead of descriptions, you clicked on the picture of the trick and saw a short 30 second or 60 second video of the magic trick being performed. They seemed to know virtually nothing about vlogging. However, their description of Internet video being used as a sales tool for a product is certainly something that is going to grow. Internet video will be co-opted and used as insertions into web advertising on a regular basis in the very near future. - Original Message - From: Michael Verdi To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Questions Regarding Sponsorships, Underwriting, Ads, and Rates, etc. On Aug 12, 2005, at 8:25 PM, RadioMike Perazzetti wrote: My colleague and I have been brainstorming podcasting ideas and we figure the best way to do it and do it right is to obtain underwriting, sponsorships, and the like with advertising coming in at a close second or third. Hey Mike, This is pretty much a flame. Don't take it personally, I don't even know who you are. Your email though brings up what I think is a really important point that I didn't want to let slide. Personally, I think that quote above tells me your looking at this whole thing as a means to make a buck. In my opinion this dooms you to a life of producing complete and utter bullshit. Listen, if your stuff hit the right demographic and was bland enough you'd be on the radio or TV already. Since it's not, you must be looking to be a low budget imitation of bland, mindless crap. That doesn't seem like a very good business plan. Here's my suggestion: you and your colleague should go get yourselves on the radio or TV if that's what you want. If, on the other hand, what you really want is to podcast or videoblog, I have a few places to start: 1. Brainstorm some good ideas about content and forget about good ideas for underwriting. 2. Better yet, fuck brainstorming, if you're creative you probably have some stuff you're just dying to do - do that instead. 3. Quit lurking around and just get started. Then get better at it. Peace -- Verdi http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://graymattergravy.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group videoblogging on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
