[videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Pope Hal Tse Kometes KSC]

> Dave Winer wrote this post:
> 
> "Vlogging comes to mass murder

> 
> Share your thoughts with him.
> 
> I did.
> 
> --Steve
> --
> Steve Garfield
> http://SteveGarfield.com

Greetings and salutations,  

I think this is my first post to the group and I should have started 
earlier on a less distressing topic.
 I posted  a response  at  http://blog.john-paxton.com/2007/04/19/a-
chroma-keyed--massacre-project--away--vlogging-a-dead-horse.aspx  
which to summarize came out as. 

I can't think that this would ever be a reasonable way to think 
and live your life trying to work out .  What cause is being advanced 
here that   couldn't be leveled at the station  covering Oswald's 
murder by Jack Ruby?  Maybe Zapruder was a nascent vlogger ?   Could  
bic  and moleskine  wouldn't be complicit in had  he been more into  
good penmanship?  Were the murderers of Daniel Pearl vlogging?   
Hopefully my argument ad absurdum is bugging you as much as it did 
for me to type it.

...Way too many groups are taking the foreground events and 
contextualizing , ne compositing it,  to fit  their own interests, 
agendas or regular subject matter.  

To date  it doesn't appear that  the murderer posted it to the myriad 
of  video sites,  blogs, a personal webpage of did anything other 
than use OLD methods  ( relatively in the case of Quicktime)   to 
MAIL  material.  Gee   let's go after Franklin now for touting the 
post office not knowing the evil it could be used for   His 
methods were akin to a PR agency which  may tell Bill Hicks fans more 
than they need to know. 

I hope to get an intro in and something of a happier not in the near 
future. 

Regards 
John 

[videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007 (moving off topic)

[Aldon Hynes]

I referenced this discussion briefly in a recent blog post,
http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/2262

Especial hat tip to whomever it was that pointed out Kevin Whitrick's
suicide in a video chat room.

Aldon

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[sull]

>
> Of course, if the mainstream media weren't reporting on it, how many
> of us would know about it at all?


We would all know about it as stories disseminate quickly on the net.
The better question to pose is, how many of us would feel inundated with the
redundant prone coverage?

New information on a story needs to be reported on.  But as we all know, MSM
likes to saturate their broadcasts with repetitive audio/visuals and slurp
in all the usual suspected "Reasons Why".   Serve it while its hot!
They call in the experts to get their latest audible clip circulating within
the conversation and at the end of the day, the numbers look good.
Advertisers are pleased.  Everybody loves a big story.  Afterall, the Iraq
war has lost its luster and the casualties over there have become normalized
to some extent at least in relation to our culture's attention.  So it
seems.  I am referring to the casualties, not the politics. Obviously
everyone is READY for politics.

Now, I have been a non-subscriber of TV for a over a year now so the only
content I get is what I voluntarily go grab on the net or newspaper.  So
inundation and disappointment of MSM mostly eludes me now.
To those that have TV, my only suggestion is to leave it off as often as you
can.

As for the issue of Winer and "Videoblogging" the whole discussion gives
me a bad taste.  It's a waste of time.  It really is.  In a nutshell.
People are sick in this world.  Any enabling technology that exists -for the
people- will ultimately expose such sick people.  Utterly unavoidable.
Reputations of technology do not exist.
People who use technology are not defamed.

Sull


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>
>   The real problem isn't people doing stupid things for attention --
> that's always existed and always will. The problem is in the general
> public paying attention. If we were less of a "gee whiz" culture,
> these people wouldn't be getting our attention in the first place.
>
> Of course, if the mainstream media weren't reporting on it, how many
> of us would know about it at all?
>
> The upside? The more stupidity is posted to the web, the less time we
> all have to look at it. Eventually, we become desensitized, and then
> the stakes for our attention raise -- again.
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[videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Justin Kownacki]

The real problem isn't people doing stupid things for attention --
that's always existed and always will. The problem is in the general
public paying attention. If we were less of a "gee whiz" culture,
these people wouldn't be getting our attention in the first place.

Of course, if the mainstream media weren't reporting on it, how many
of us would know about it at all?

The upside? The more stupidity is posted to the web, the less time we
all have to look at it. Eventually, we become desensitized, and then
the stakes for our attention raise -- again.

[videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Enric]

The consequences of illegal and stupid behavior with video on the net
need to be clear.  Prosecuting illegal acts on video and notifications
of the consequences of stupid behavior shown on site videos should be
clear.

  -- Enric
  -==-
  http://cirne.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Deirdre Straughan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> All sorts of bad behavior is being filmed and posted on YouTube. In
Italy,
> there's been a rash of incidents of young teens having sex in classrooms
> (and/or sexually harassing teachers), filming with phone cameras, and
> posting on YouTube. Or beating up other kids (e.g., one with Downs
syndrome)
> and posting that. Someone videoe'd himself driving (a motorcycle, I
think it
> was) wyy beyond speed limits (he filmed the speedometer), and posted
> that.
> 
> This has resulted in EU initiatives to force YouTube to prevent
"bad" videos
> being posted (pro-active, not just takedowns). No one here needs to
be told
> what an "intelligent" solution that is. One could argue that YouTube
is even
> part of the solution, because every one of the above cases came to
public
> attention and was punished (or whatever action taken) because the video
> evidence was there.
> 
> But the problem is real. People have always behaved badly. But are
they more
> likely to do so for the sake of this weird new  kind of "celebrity?
How far
> are people these days, especially kids, driven by the idea that
"I'll be on
> TV!" ? These cases have all gotten news coverage, so, even if
punished, the
> perpetrators also got the attention they obviously craved.
> 
>  It's not the fault of videoblogging (or is it?), but something is wrong
> here.
> 
> -- 
> best regards,
> Deirdré Straughan
> 
> www.beginningwithi.com (personal)
> www.tvblob.com (work)
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Deirdre Straughan]

All sorts of bad behavior is being filmed and posted on YouTube. In Italy,
there's been a rash of incidents of young teens having sex in classrooms
(and/or sexually harassing teachers), filming with phone cameras, and
posting on YouTube. Or beating up other kids (e.g., one with Downs syndrome)
and posting that. Someone videoe'd himself driving (a motorcycle, I think it
was) wyy beyond speed limits (he filmed the speedometer), and posted
that.

This has resulted in EU initiatives to force YouTube to prevent "bad" videos
being posted (pro-active, not just takedowns). No one here needs to be told
what an "intelligent" solution that is. One could argue that YouTube is even
part of the solution, because every one of the above cases came to public
attention and was punished (or whatever action taken) because the video
evidence was there.

But the problem is real. People have always behaved badly. But are they more
likely to do so for the sake of this weird new  kind of "celebrity? How far
are people these days, especially kids, driven by the idea that "I'll be on
TV!" ? These cases have all gotten news coverage, so, even if punished, the
perpetrators also got the attention they obviously craved.

 It's not the fault of videoblogging (or is it?), but something is wrong
here.

-- 
best regards,
Deirdré Straughan

www.beginningwithi.com (personal)
www.tvblob.com (work)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Right on.
> The other thing that I said in my comments on Dave's blog was, "If  
> he'd written a personal statement and sent it to NBC, would you have  
> called it Blogging? I doubt you'd have thought you could get away  
> with that."

If you don't define something (videoblogging), others will define it
for you.  

  -- Enric
  -==-
  http://cirne.com

> 
> On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:11, Gary Short wrote:
> 
> I did too, you can read my posting at http://www.garyshort.org/?p=594
> 
> Cheers,
> Gary
> 
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:09:49 -0400, Steve Garfield wrote
>  > Dave Winer wrote this post:
>  >
>  > "Vlogging comes to mass murder
>  >
>  > The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to  
> NBC.
>  >
>  > In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one
>  > anticipated (or no one I know)."
>  >
>  > http://scripting.com/
>  >
>  > Share your thoughts with him.
>  >
>  > I did.
>  >
>  > --Steve
>  > --
>  > Steve Garfield
>  > http://SteveGarfield.com
>  >
>  >
> 
> -- 
> Gary Short
> http://www.garyshort.org
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[caroosky]

Dave carried the idea into today's posts, mentioning Steve by name.  I
decided to weigh in over there.

But here, let me just ask this question:  What would this conversation
be about if Cho had used the distribution of the web that we all
cherish?  There wouldn't be any discussion about NBC and the mass
media controlling the story, because Cho's intention would be so
widely distributed and uncontrolled right now as to be unstoppable.

Ultimately, if Cho understood more of what the social revolution of
the web is about, with its strength of decentralized distribution, his
intent of getting his videos seen by the world would have already been
realized.  Vloggers get that.  Cho was decidedly NOT one of us.

Just a thought.

Carter
http://crowdabout.us

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dave Winer wrote this post:
> 
> "Vlogging comes to mass murder
> 
> The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC.
> 
> In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one  
> anticipated (or no one I know)."
> 
> http://scripting.com/
> 
> Share your thoughts with him.
> 
> I did.
> 
> --Steve
> --
> Steve Garfield
> http://SteveGarfield.com
>

[videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dave Winer wrote this post:
> 
> "Vlogging comes to mass murder


Blogging comes to mass murder

   http://tinyurl.com/3c3nap


> 
> The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC.
> 
> In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one  
> anticipated (or no one I know)."
> 
> http://scripting.com/
> 
> Share your thoughts with him.
> 
> I did.
> 
> --Steve
> --
> Steve Garfield
> http://SteveGarfield.com
>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Rupert]

Define 'watch' ;)

Would I 'watch' the bios of the VTech victims? No. But I looked at  
some of them in my Independent newspaper yesterday to try and get in  
touch with the fact that they were like my wife, my daughter, my  
father, and that felt good and bad at the same time.

I have a friend who was paid to write full obituaries for every  
single one of the firefighters killed on 9/11. the families were  
thankful, and people read them and connected on a human level.  it  
doesn't demand 'watching', just distribution and a different type of  
consumption from the single-channel keep-em-hooked-in rolling news  
nightmare that is modern network TV news.

Paddy Chayefsky satirized it 30 years ago in Network - I bet even  
he'd be surprised how close he was to how it's turned out.  This is  
the main speech from the head of the TV network, which sums up the  
financial imperative, and I think it's beautiful:

Arthur Jensen: "It is the international system of currency which  
determines the vitality of life on this planet. THAT is the natural  
order of things today. THAT is the atomic and subatomic and galactic  
structure of things today. And YOU have meddled with the primal  
forces of nature. And YOU WILL ATONE. Am I getting through to you,  
Mr. Beale? You get up on your little 21-inch screen and howl about  
America, and democracy. There is no America; there is no democracy.  
There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide,  
and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.

"You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I  
won't have it. Is that clear? ... You are an old man who thinks in  
terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations; there are no  
peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no  
third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of  
systems; one vast, interwoven, interacting, multivaried,  
multinational dominion of DOLLARS!"

Rupert
http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/
http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/

On 19 Apr 2007, at 16:28, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:

Would you watch that?

Den 19.04.2007 kl. 17:13 skrev Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

 > Hi Heath,
 > I'm glad you brought this up.
 >
 > Like I've been saying all along, videoblogging brings us closer
 > together.
 >
 > I now know a little bit about a girl from Latvia who does a vlog with
 > her doing a fake news show, going to the beach and eating ice cream.
 >
 > I'd like to see the media show put up little biographies of the 66
 > people who were killed in Iraq on that day and the 100's more who
 > were killed yesterday and the day before that.
 >
 > Can they do that?
 >
 > Can we do that?
 >
 > --Steve
 >
 > On Apr 19, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Heath wrote:
 >
 >> It's called "coping" it's how we get through life.
 >>
 >> The same day the VT shootings happened 66 people were killed in Iraq
 >> in a suicide bomb, twice the number killed in VT. Why does that
 >> warrent barely a blurb? why don't more people care? you gave the
 >> answer later on when you were talking about the dog food thing. It
 >> affected you and it affected people you know, therefore it is
 >> more "real" to you.
 >>
 >> Empathy and sympathy can only go so far otherwise you do become numb
 >> to everything and when that happens you lose the ability to care. As
 >> human beings we have a finite abilty to feel, so when we do it is
 >> what affects us closely. Is it right or wrong? I don't know, it is
 >> what it is.
 >>
 >> And as far as the mainstream media's coverage, what should they do?
 >> How should they cover it? It's always a fine line between the right
 >> to know and privacy. I hear a lot of people on this list bash the
 >> MSM but I see very few answers or way to "solve" the issues that  
they
 >> see. How can we expect anything better if we can't, won't or don't
 >> know a better way? And who says what is better or not better? We
 >> all come from different backgrounds, belief's, etc. It's a balancing
 >> act, always has been.
 >>
 >> And as far as calling what this guy did as vlogging, he's an idiot.
 >> But that is just my opinion
 >>
 >> Heath
 >> http://batmangeek.com
 >>
 >>
 >> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> I'm kind of getting off topic here a bit, but I am so angry
 >>>
 >>> I'm angry about the corporate media's ineptitude and their
 >>> condescension towards our media.
 >>>
 >>> We are 100 times more accurate and informative than those
 >> corporate
 >>> wigs and pasty faces.
 >>>
 >>> I'm not 'trying to process what is happening and this tragic last
 >>> mode of expression.'
 >>>
 >>> No offense meant, Gena, but I'm all done trying to process
 >>> sociopathic mass killing.
 >>>
 >>> I struggled with the 50 or so dead Afghanis at the wedding party
 >> in
 >>> 2002, and the steady march to the grave for hundreds of thousands
 >> of
 >>> brown people on the other side of the planet, so 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen]

Would you watch that?

Den 19.04.2007 kl. 17:13 skrev Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi Heath,
> I'm glad you brought this up.
>
> Like I've been saying all along, videoblogging brings us closer
> together.
>
> I now know a little bit about a girl from Latvia who does a vlog with
> her doing a fake news show, going to the beach and eating ice cream.
>
> I'd like to see the media show put up little biographies of the 66
> people who were killed in Iraq on that day and the 100's more who
> were killed yesterday and the day before that.
>
> Can they do that?
>
> Can we do that?
>
> --Steve
>
> On Apr 19, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Heath wrote:
>
>> It's called "coping" it's how we get through life.
>>
>> The same day the VT shootings happened 66 people were killed in Iraq
>> in a suicide bomb, twice the number killed in VT.  Why does that
>> warrent barely a blurb?  why don't more people care?  you gave the
>> answer later on when you were talking about the dog food thing.  It
>> affected you and it affected people you know, therefore it is
>> more "real" to you.
>>
>> Empathy and sympathy can only go so far otherwise you do become numb
>> to everything and when that happens you lose the ability to care.  As
>> human beings we have a finite abilty to feel, so when we do it is
>> what affects us closely.  Is it right or wrong? I don't know, it is
>> what it is.
>>
>> And as far as the mainstream media's coverage, what should they do?
>> How should they cover it?  It's always a fine line between the right
>> to know and privacy.  I hear a lot of people on this list bash the
>> MSM but I see very few answers or way to "solve" the issues that they
>> see.  How can we expect anything better if we can't, won't or don't
>> know a better way?  And who says what is better or not better?  We
>> all come from different backgrounds, belief's, etc.  It's a balancing
>> act, always has been.
>>
>> And as far as calling what this guy did as vlogging, he's an idiot.
>> But that is just my opinion
>>
>> Heath
>> http://batmangeek.com
>>
>>
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm kind of getting off topic here a bit, but I am so angry
>>>
>>> I'm angry about the corporate media's ineptitude and their
>>> condescension towards our media.
>>>
>>> We are 100 times more accurate and informative than those
>> corporate
>>> wigs and pasty faces.
>>>
>>> I'm not 'trying to process what is happening and this tragic last
>>> mode of expression.'
>>>
>>> No offense meant, Gena, but I'm all done trying to process
>>> sociopathic mass killing.
>>>
>>> I struggled with the 50 or so dead Afghanis at the wedding party
>> in
>>> 2002, and the steady march to the grave for hundreds of thousands
>> of
>>> brown people on the other side of the planet, so we can beat our
>>> chests and pretend that we are defending America, when in reality
>> we
>>> are doing nothing but ensuring that there will be hundreds of
>>> thousands more in the years to come.
>>>
>>> I struggles with the idea that 2 in 10 Americans are uninsured or
>>> underinsured. I wonder how many people die per day because of that.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry if some of you think that is crude, rude, or otherwise
>>> unfeeling, to compare this tragedy to something so far away, or so
>>> fuzzy in terms of focus, but there is really no difference in my
>> mind
>>> between people on the other side of the planet being blown up,
>> shot,
>>> beheaded, etc, people dying because they can't afford to 'shop for
>>> healthcare', and those unfortunate students and faculty at VT
>> being
>>> gunned down by a lone psycho. It's all the same. Bad people making
>>> decisions to kill people. The only difference is that we can
>> control
>>> public policy, but we can't control the lone psycho,
>>>
>>> I think that's one of the things that has got me so burned about
>> this.
>>>
>>> This is just a taste of the reality we are foisting upon people
>> all
>>> over the planet, and to see this outpouring of grief and knowing
>> that
>>> life in America has stopped because of this butchery just pisses
>> me
>>> off. This happens to brown people across the world everyday in our
>>> name, and we, as a people, don't give one shit. When it happens to
>>> 'our' children, to our friends and family, the world must stop and
>>> pay their respects. I am going to catch some flamage from this for
>>> sure, but I don't care.
>>>
>>> I'm too numb from death and dismemberment to really feel for these
>>> kids that so tragically lost their lives to the actions of a well
>>> armed sociopath. I guess to some of you that will make me a
>> monster,
>>> but oh well, that's the truth.
>>>
>>> A couple former athletes of mine go to VT, and I have no idea
>> whether
>>> or not they were involved. I'm betting that they were not, based
>> on
>>> the sheer numbers of students, but I can't be sure. Perhaps that
>>> could cut through the numbness and force me to re-examine my
>>> position. I 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Steve Garfield]

Hi Heath,
I'm glad you brought this up.

Like I've been saying all along, videoblogging brings us closer  
together.

I now know a little bit about a girl from Latvia who does a vlog with  
her doing a fake news show, going to the beach and eating ice cream.

I'd like to see the media show put up little biographies of the 66  
people who were killed in Iraq on that day and the 100's more who  
were killed yesterday and the day before that.

Can they do that?

Can we do that?

--Steve

On Apr 19, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Heath wrote:

> It's called "coping" it's how we get through life.
>
> The same day the VT shootings happened 66 people were killed in Iraq
> in a suicide bomb, twice the number killed in VT.  Why does that
> warrent barely a blurb?  why don't more people care?  you gave the
> answer later on when you were talking about the dog food thing.  It
> affected you and it affected people you know, therefore it is
> more "real" to you.
>
> Empathy and sympathy can only go so far otherwise you do become numb
> to everything and when that happens you lose the ability to care.  As
> human beings we have a finite abilty to feel, so when we do it is
> what affects us closely.  Is it right or wrong? I don't know, it is
> what it is.
>
> And as far as the mainstream media's coverage, what should they do?
> How should they cover it?  It's always a fine line between the right
> to know and privacy.  I hear a lot of people on this list bash the
> MSM but I see very few answers or way to "solve" the issues that they
> see.  How can we expect anything better if we can't, won't or don't
> know a better way?  And who says what is better or not better?  We
> all come from different backgrounds, belief's, etc.  It's a balancing
> act, always has been.
>
> And as far as calling what this guy did as vlogging, he's an idiot.
> But that is just my opinion
>
> Heath
> http://batmangeek.com
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm kind of getting off topic here a bit, but I am so angry
>>
>> I'm angry about the corporate media's ineptitude and their
>> condescension towards our media.
>>
>> We are 100 times more accurate and informative than those
> corporate
>> wigs and pasty faces.
>>
>> I'm not 'trying to process what is happening and this tragic last
>> mode of expression.'
>>
>> No offense meant, Gena, but I'm all done trying to process
>> sociopathic mass killing.
>>
>> I struggled with the 50 or so dead Afghanis at the wedding party
> in
>> 2002, and the steady march to the grave for hundreds of thousands
> of
>> brown people on the other side of the planet, so we can beat our
>> chests and pretend that we are defending America, when in reality
> we
>> are doing nothing but ensuring that there will be hundreds of
>> thousands more in the years to come.
>>
>> I struggles with the idea that 2 in 10 Americans are uninsured or
>> underinsured. I wonder how many people die per day because of that.
>>
>> I'm sorry if some of you think that is crude, rude, or otherwise
>> unfeeling, to compare this tragedy to something so far away, or so
>> fuzzy in terms of focus, but there is really no difference in my
> mind
>> between people on the other side of the planet being blown up,
> shot,
>> beheaded, etc, people dying because they can't afford to 'shop for
>> healthcare', and those unfortunate students and faculty at VT
> being
>> gunned down by a lone psycho. It's all the same. Bad people making
>> decisions to kill people. The only difference is that we can
> control
>> public policy, but we can't control the lone psycho,
>>
>> I think that's one of the things that has got me so burned about
> this.
>>
>> This is just a taste of the reality we are foisting upon people
> all
>> over the planet, and to see this outpouring of grief and knowing
> that
>> life in America has stopped because of this butchery just pisses
> me
>> off. This happens to brown people across the world everyday in our
>> name, and we, as a people, don't give one shit. When it happens to
>> 'our' children, to our friends and family, the world must stop and
>> pay their respects. I am going to catch some flamage from this for
>> sure, but I don't care.
>>
>> I'm too numb from death and dismemberment to really feel for these
>> kids that so tragically lost their lives to the actions of a well
>> armed sociopath. I guess to some of you that will make me a
> monster,
>> but oh well, that's the truth.
>>
>> A couple former athletes of mine go to VT, and I have no idea
> whether
>> or not they were involved. I'm betting that they were not, based
> on
>> the sheer numbers of students, but I can't be sure. Perhaps that
>> could cut through the numbness and force me to re-examine my
>> position. I do hope that is not the case.
>>
>> This reminds me of the sniper a few years ago. He was caught a few
>> miles from my former home in Maryland. At the same time those 7
>> people were killed by that lone psychopath, 9 p

[videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Heath]

It's called "coping" it's how we get through life.  

The same day the VT shootings happened 66 people were killed in Iraq 
in a suicide bomb, twice the number killed in VT.  Why does that 
warrent barely a blurb?  why don't more people care?  you gave the 
answer later on when you were talking about the dog food thing.  It 
affected you and it affected people you know, therefore it is 
more "real" to you.

Empathy and sympathy can only go so far otherwise you do become numb 
to everything and when that happens you lose the ability to care.  As 
human beings we have a finite abilty to feel, so when we do it is 
what affects us closely.  Is it right or wrong? I don't know, it is 
what it is.

And as far as the mainstream media's coverage, what should they do?  
How should they cover it?  It's always a fine line between the right 
to know and privacy.  I hear a lot of people on this list bash the 
MSM but I see very few answers or way to "solve" the issues that they 
see.  How can we expect anything better if we can't, won't or don't 
know a better way?  And who says what is better or not better?  We 
all come from different backgrounds, belief's, etc.  It's a balancing 
act, always has been.

And as far as calling what this guy did as vlogging, he's an idiot.  
But that is just my opinion

Heath
http://batmangeek.com


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm kind of getting off topic here a bit, but I am so angry
> 
> I'm angry about the corporate media's ineptitude and their  
> condescension towards our media.
> 
> We are 100 times more accurate and informative than those 
corporate  
> wigs and pasty faces.
> 
> I'm not 'trying to process what is happening and this tragic last  
> mode of expression.'
> 
> No offense meant, Gena, but I'm all done trying to process  
> sociopathic mass killing.
> 
> I struggled with the 50 or so dead Afghanis at the wedding party 
in  
> 2002, and the steady march to the grave for hundreds of thousands 
of  
> brown people on the other side of the planet, so we can beat our  
> chests and pretend that we are defending America, when in reality 
we  
> are doing nothing but ensuring that there will be hundreds of  
> thousands more in the years to come.
> 
> I struggles with the idea that 2 in 10 Americans are uninsured or  
> underinsured. I wonder how many people die per day because of that.
> 
> I'm sorry if some of you think that is crude, rude, or otherwise  
> unfeeling, to compare this tragedy to something so far away, or so  
> fuzzy in terms of focus, but there is really no difference in my 
mind  
> between people on the other side of the planet being blown up, 
shot,  
> beheaded, etc, people dying because they can't afford to 'shop for  
> healthcare', and those unfortunate students and faculty at VT 
being  
> gunned down by a lone psycho. It's all the same. Bad people making  
> decisions to kill people. The only difference is that we can 
control  
> public policy, but we can't control the lone psycho,
> 
> I think that's one of the things that has got me so burned about 
this.
> 
> This is just a taste of the reality we are foisting upon people 
all  
> over the planet, and to see this outpouring of grief and knowing 
that  
> life in America has stopped because of this butchery just pisses 
me  
> off. This happens to brown people across the world everyday in our  
> name, and we, as a people, don't give one shit. When it happens to  
> 'our' children, to our friends and family, the world must stop and  
> pay their respects. I am going to catch some flamage from this for  
> sure, but I don't care.
> 
> I'm too numb from death and dismemberment to really feel for these  
> kids that so tragically lost their lives to the actions of a well  
> armed sociopath. I guess to some of you that will make me a 
monster,  
> but oh well, that's the truth.
> 
> A couple former athletes of mine go to VT, and I have no idea 
whether  
> or not they were involved. I'm betting that they were not, based 
on  
> the sheer numbers of students, but I can't be sure. Perhaps that  
> could cut through the numbness and force me to re-examine my  
> position. I do hope that is not the case.
> 
> This reminds me of the sniper a few years ago. He was caught a few  
> miles from my former home in Maryland. At the same time those 7  
> people were killed by that lone psychopath, 9 people died of a  
> listeria outbreak 20 miles north of my home. The corporate media 
was  
> nearly silent. A lone gunman that we could never hope to control 
gets  
> all the coverage, and a systemic problem that we could fix gets  
> ignored. It was horrible.
> 
> I will not be suprised in the least if vlogging and blogging wind 
up  
> being tied into this horrible tragedy. We frighten the corporate  
> media, and if they can make us look like an 'Other' they will do so.
> 
> Those of you who watched post season football may remember the  
> demonization 

[videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[missbhavens1969]

Hmmm...what bothers me more, the fact that he actually believes it's
"wrong" to hold all the footage because "It's 2007, and it's a
decentralized world" or the fact that at the time I write this 75% of
his comments are about the other half of his post regarding online
banking.

I rarely swear in print but this is just the most insane bullshit.
Serious bullshit fucking shit-for-brains bullshit. Dick ass bullshit.
Bullshit.

Misusing the word "vlogging" was just a bullshit bonus.

Bekah
--
http://www.missbhavens.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dave Winer wrote this post:
> 
> "Vlogging comes to mass murder
> 
> The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC.
> 
> In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one  
> anticipated (or no one I know)."
> 
> http://scripting.com/
> 
> Share your thoughts with him.
> 
> I did.
> 
> --Steve
> --
> Steve Garfield
> http://SteveGarfield.com
>

[videoblogging] Re: Scripting News: 4/18/2007

[Gena]

I've got to go to work but I just left a few words. I'm still trying
to process what is happening and this tragic last mode of expression.

It is really important that we make an attempt to "respectfully" let
him know that this was not the term to be used. 

Others can and will pick up the word and this is one context I think
we all can agree we don't want "vlogging" to be used.

Take care of yourself and do the best you can,

Gena
http://outonethestoop.


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dave Winer wrote this post:
> 
> "Vlogging comes to mass murder
> 
> The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC.
> 
> In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one  
> anticipated (or no one I know)."
> 
> http://scripting.com/
> 
> Share your thoughts with him.
> 
> I did.
> 
> --Steve
> --
> Steve Garfield
> http://SteveGarfield.com
>