[videoblogging] Re: Streamy disaster
The saga continues: http://news.tubefilter.tv/2010/04/26/the-truth-about-the-streamy-awards-and-the-iawtv/ http://www.rebuildthetrust.org/ There are a few mouths agape right now. The audacity! I would not be surprised if IAWTV is in need of some reform and far far greater transparency, but it smells to me like we need a weaselfilter to deal with tubefilter. Blame shifting, self-serving scumbags! Dont let them manage the image of your industry again, for crying out loud! And relax Cheers Steve Elbows
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wow, i had no idea. i just read chance's recount as well. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Heath heathpa...@msn.com wrote: wow makes you wonder what the heck is going onand makes me less interested in being a part of things like this... Heath http://heathparks.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Millis mil...@... wrote: Just read Chance's recounting: http://horribleturn.tumblr.com/post/516621948/a-horrible-turn-at-the-streamy-awards Youch. Disastrous shows I can laugh off, but it's much worse with the backstory. Powering Independence www.DynamoPlayer.com On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Adam Quirk qu...@... wrote: Horrible Turn: http://horribleturn.tumblr.com/post/516621948/a-horrible-turn-at-the-streamy-awards http://horribleturn.tumblr.com/post/516621948/a-horrible-turn-at-the-streamy-awards Barrett Garese: http://www.barrettgarese.com/post/516372282/season-one-episode-17 NewTeeVee: http://newteevee.com/2010/04/12/the-streamy-awards-a-producers-apology-and-its-three-fails/ On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Michael Sullivan sulleleven@ ...wrote: didnt follow it. where's a good source of this coverage? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM, elbowsofdeath st...@... wrote: So I hear the Streamy's this year were a disaster in several key ways and have gotten all the wrong sort of attention as a result. There is some concern that it has damaged the image of the 'industry', although it may be easy to overstate this point. It certainly didnt help, but the 'industry' has enough other problems too, although anything that harms potential sponsorship by appearing to confirm potential sponsors worst fears (eg uncontrolled juvenile amateurish smut tarnishing their brands) sounds bad to me. Unfortunately there is a part of me that is wildly entertained and amused by the streamyfail, considering it to be some kind of justice on a certain level. This isnt fair, as no doubt lots of blameless hard working people have been hurt by the streamyfail, but I suppose its a natural consequence of my disdain for the way some of the more visible parts of the 'industry' went, shoddy emulation of the existing media. What better way to symbolise two worlds colliding, and so much wasted potential, than to have a slick awards show humbled by technical glitches and naked people. Cheers Steve Elbows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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barrett's post is right on target in terms of solutions, sounds like On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Heath heathpa...@msn.com wrote: wow makes you wonder what the heck is going onand makes me less interested in being a part of things like this... Heath http://heathparks.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Millis mil...@... wrote: Just read Chance's recounting: http://horribleturn.tumblr.com/post/516621948/a-horrible-turn-at-the-streamy-awards Youch. Disastrous shows I can laugh off, but it's much worse with the backstory. Powering Independence www.DynamoPlayer.com On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Adam Quirk qu...@... wrote: Horrible Turn: http://horribleturn.tumblr.com/post/516621948/a-horrible-turn-at-the-streamy-awards http://horribleturn.tumblr.com/post/516621948/a-horrible-turn-at-the-streamy-awards Barrett Garese: http://www.barrettgarese.com/post/516372282/season-one-episode-17 NewTeeVee: http://newteevee.com/2010/04/12/the-streamy-awards-a-producers-apology-and-its-three-fails/ On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Michael Sullivan sulleleven@ ...wrote: didnt follow it. where's a good source of this coverage? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM, elbowsofdeath st...@... wrote: So I hear the Streamy's this year were a disaster in several key ways and have gotten all the wrong sort of attention as a result. There is some concern that it has damaged the image of the 'industry', although it may be easy to overstate this point. It certainly didnt help, but the 'industry' has enough other problems too, although anything that harms potential sponsorship by appearing to confirm potential sponsors worst fears (eg uncontrolled juvenile amateurish smut tarnishing their brands) sounds bad to me. Unfortunately there is a part of me that is wildly entertained and amused by the streamyfail, considering it to be some kind of justice on a certain level. This isnt fair, as no doubt lots of blameless hard working people have been hurt by the streamyfail, but I suppose its a natural consequence of my disdain for the way some of the more visible parts of the 'industry' went, shoddy emulation of the existing media. What better way to symbolise two worlds colliding, and so much wasted potential, than to have a slick awards show humbled by technical glitches and naked people. Cheers Steve Elbows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Streamy disaster
this event was the first live stream i ever got to see. our lovely country setting does not come with the internet, and our lovely superheroine series routinely gets deleted for content after being flagged by pornographers who don't like our standards. i wanted to see who prevails. i was grateful for the double audio feed, as it prevented comprehension of what appeared to be being said. i was listening to the musical portions wondering if the second feed would be revealed as another big joke once the beats blended but they never did. somehow there's no money in internet video came thru loud and clear. i am beginning to think, with our measly $3K a month in direct sales that we are internet stars. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, elbowsofdeath st...@... wrote: So I hear the Streamy's this year were a disaster in several key ways and have gotten all the wrong sort of attention as a result. There is some concern that it has damaged the image of the 'industry', although it may be easy to overstate this point. It certainly didnt help, but the 'industry' has enough other problems too, although anything that harms potential sponsorship by appearing to confirm potential sponsors worst fears (eg uncontrolled juvenile amateurish smut tarnishing their brands) sounds bad to me. Unfortunately there is a part of me that is wildly entertained and amused by the streamyfail, considering it to be some kind of justice on a certain level. This isnt fair, as no doubt lots of blameless hard working people have been hurt by the streamyfail, but I suppose its a natural consequence of my disdain for the way some of the more visible parts of the 'industry' went, shoddy emulation of the existing media. What better way to symbolise two worlds colliding, and so much wasted potential, than to have a slick awards show humbled by technical glitches and naked people. Cheers Steve Elbows
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I'd say at $3k a month in sales you are in the top 1% of people making money in web video. You're also not doing advertising, right? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:28 AM, daredolls dared...@gmail.com wrote: this event was the first live stream i ever got to see. our lovely country setting does not come with the internet, and our lovely superheroine series routinely gets deleted for content after being flagged by pornographers who don't like our standards. i wanted to see who prevails. i was grateful for the double audio feed, as it prevented comprehension of what appeared to be being said. i was listening to the musical portions wondering if the second feed would be revealed as another big joke once the beats blended but they never did. somehow there's no money in internet video came thru loud and clear. i am beginning to think, with our measly $3K a month in direct sales that we are internet stars. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, elbowsofdeath st...@... wrote: So I hear the Streamy's this year were a disaster in several key ways and have gotten all the wrong sort of attention as a result. There is some concern that it has damaged the image of the 'industry', although it may be easy to overstate this point. It certainly didnt help, but the 'industry' has enough other problems too, although anything that harms potential sponsorship by appearing to confirm potential sponsors worst fears (eg uncontrolled juvenile amateurish smut tarnishing their brands) sounds bad to me. Unfortunately there is a part of me that is wildly entertained and amused by the streamyfail, considering it to be some kind of justice on a certain level. This isnt fair, as no doubt lots of blameless hard working people have been hurt by the streamyfail, but I suppose its a natural consequence of my disdain for the way some of the more visible parts of the 'industry' went, shoddy emulation of the existing media. What better way to symbolise two worlds colliding, and so much wasted potential, than to have a slick awards show humbled by technical glitches and naked people. Cheers Steve Elbows Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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A thought re bad for the industry There is no industry. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hulu, Netflix, Youtube, Blip, Vimeo, a hundred other web video service providers, and thousands of web video producers would disagree. I've been making a living doing web video production and editing for the past two years. It's still fledgling, but it's an industry. And yeah, this was bad for everyone involved. People are rightfully pissed. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:15 PM, brook hinton bhin...@gmail.com wrote: A thought re bad for the industry There is no industry. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Streamy disaster
That depends if you include the web porn video industry. Im not going to get into a long debate about whether daredolls material can be labelled porn, in some ways no, or at least very soft, in other ways its clearly fetish stuff that will get the same sort of reaction from people video hosts as porn. I remain bemused that daredolls posts here still try to find alternative explanations for why they get banned from video sites sometimes, the reason should be pretty darn obvious and undeniable. Regardless of any disagreement about this stuff, I think its a pretty safe bet the potential to get their viewers to spend money is based on the same sorts of impulses that make people spend lots of money on porn. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk qu...@... wrote: I'd say at $3k a month in sales you are in the top 1% of people making money in web video. You're also not doing advertising, right? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:28 AM, daredolls dared...@... wrote: this event was the first live stream i ever got to see. our lovely country setting does not come with the internet, and our lovely superheroine series routinely gets deleted for content after being flagged by pornographers who don't like our standards. i wanted to see who prevails. i was grateful for the double audio feed, as it prevented comprehension of what appeared to be being said. i was listening to the musical portions wondering if the second feed would be revealed as another big joke once the beats blended but they never did. somehow there's no money in internet video came thru loud and clear. i am beginning to think, with our measly $3K a month in direct sales that we are internet stars. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, elbowsofdeath steve@ wrote: So I hear the Streamy's this year were a disaster in several key ways and have gotten all the wrong sort of attention as a result. There is some concern that it has damaged the image of the 'industry', although it may be easy to overstate this point. It certainly didnt help, but the 'industry' has enough other problems too, although anything that harms potential sponsorship by appearing to confirm potential sponsors worst fears (eg uncontrolled juvenile amateurish smut tarnishing their brands) sounds bad to me. Unfortunately there is a part of me that is wildly entertained and amused by the streamyfail, considering it to be some kind of justice on a certain level. This isnt fair, as no doubt lots of blameless hard working people have been hurt by the streamyfail, but I suppose its a natural consequence of my disdain for the way some of the more visible parts of the 'industry' went, shoddy emulation of the existing media. What better way to symbolise two worlds colliding, and so much wasted potential, than to have a slick awards show humbled by technical glitches and naked people. Cheers Steve Elbows Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Streamy disaster
Despite my OP on the Streamys being rather negative, and my tendency to be negative and unproductive in general, I still care rather a lot about this industry. We are well beyond the era where I would get caught up in fears that the industrial aspirations of some would harm the non-industry side of vlogging andits non-commercial potential for humans. We got through the era of insane hype and buzz, we avoided the potential tyranny of the first generation of would be new media moguls with their studio or network aspirations. We avoided the spectacle of seeing everybody sell out or go insane with product placement etc. Unfortunately most of those things were avoided due to stupid failures on the part of various people and companies that believed too much in the hype, had no clue what they were doing, or just went in the wrong direction. This may not have had too detrimental an effect on the industry if everything else had been in place to make the industry succeed and grow on the scale people expected it should, and if existing media were unable to harness internet distribution for themselves within a reasonable timeframe. But that hasnt been the case, it was always going to be a steep uphill battle, with everything from sponsorship to promotion to audience numbers and show budgets. Time, innovative solutions, a lot of talented people working well together, and plenty of good luck were needed, along with the creation of some vehicles to carry this stuff onwards. I dont think this has happened, there are talented people with passion and some useful companies and services, but as an outsider it doesnt look like the vehicles that have been built are really fit for purpose. There is no way that I am well-informed enough to really know if the International Academy of Web Television is effective, how it works, what it even is in practical terms, and I am out of date regarding what other partnerships/institutions may have been formed to further the industry. But this trainwreck of a Streamys makes me want to know. I know that if it was down to me I would overreact, assume the brands and institutions involved with the streams are soiled to an extent that apologies and 'will do better next time' is not enough, press the self-destruct button, start again with something untainted whilst taking account of the lessons learnt from the past. I dont know who or how many, but somewhere there are people or companies that should never be allowed near the image of the industry again, they dropped a ball that was so important they should not get a second chance. Personally I feel that one possible way for the industry to differentiate and succeed, now that the traditional media are reaching internet eyeballs, is to play on other aspects and potential advantages of being on the web. Its way easier said than done, but surely the internet gives people ways to organise differently to the old models, ways to come together and achieve something without passing responsibility for a few people or entities that may stumble, ways to harness the very thin line between creators and viewers that exists on the web. Not easy, plenty of perils and downsides, but Im surprised new structures havent been experimented with. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk qu...@... wrote: Hulu, Netflix, Youtube, Blip, Vimeo, a hundred other web video service providers, and thousands of web video producers would disagree. I've been making a living doing web video production and editing for the past two years. It's still fledgling, but it's an industry. And yeah, this was bad for everyone involved. People are rightfully pissed. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:15 PM, brook hinton bhin...@... wrote: A thought re bad for the industry There is no industry. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Streamy disaster
wow makes you wonder what the heck is going onand makes me less interested in being a part of things like this... Heath http://heathparks.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Millis mil...@... wrote: Just read Chance's recounting: http://horribleturn.tumblr.com/post/516621948/a-horrible-turn-at-the-streamy-awards Youch. Disastrous shows I can laugh off, but it's much worse with the backstory. Powering Independence www.DynamoPlayer.com On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Adam Quirk qu...@... wrote: Horrible Turn: http://horribleturn.tumblr.com/post/516621948/a-horrible-turn-at-the-streamy-awards http://horribleturn.tumblr.com/post/516621948/a-horrible-turn-at-the-streamy-awardsBarrett Garese: http://www.barrettgarese.com/post/516372282/season-one-episode-17 NewTeeVee: http://newteevee.com/2010/04/12/the-streamy-awards-a-producers-apology-and-its-three-fails/ On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Michael Sullivan sullele...@...wrote: didnt follow it. where's a good source of this coverage? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM, elbowsofdeath st...@... wrote: So I hear the Streamy's this year were a disaster in several key ways and have gotten all the wrong sort of attention as a result. There is some concern that it has damaged the image of the 'industry', although it may be easy to overstate this point. It certainly didnt help, but the 'industry' has enough other problems too, although anything that harms potential sponsorship by appearing to confirm potential sponsors worst fears (eg uncontrolled juvenile amateurish smut tarnishing their brands) sounds bad to me. Unfortunately there is a part of me that is wildly entertained and amused by the streamyfail, considering it to be some kind of justice on a certain level. This isnt fair, as no doubt lots of blameless hard working people have been hurt by the streamyfail, but I suppose its a natural consequence of my disdain for the way some of the more visible parts of the 'industry' went, shoddy emulation of the existing media. What better way to symbolise two worlds colliding, and so much wasted potential, than to have a slick awards show humbled by technical glitches and naked people. Cheers Steve Elbows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
