Re: [videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
The thing I found was that people who were good at fiddling with computers could figure out Windows Movie Maker, but that's not good enough. Nor are the automatic titles and transitions. Even those people who do get on well with it - once they've figured out the ridiculous routines for doing 'complicated' things like altering title colours/fonts and trimming clips - quickly hit a brick wall in terms of what they can do creatively. If you contrast it with iMovie or the cheap versions of Sony Vegas or Adobe Premiere, you can see how limiting and primitive it is. Those programs are not only easier to learn, they allow people to stretch their creative wings and learn to exercise more control and fine- tuning in their filmmaking and editing. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv If you give someone iMovie, they can On 7-Jun-09, at 4:52 AM, David King wrote: I had much the same experience! I had to teach some wmm classes - when it crashed ( it always did), I told the class to expect that, it's just what the software does. I really like my mac :-) David Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Gena compumaven...@earthlink.net wrote: When I first started doing web videos I was using WWM2. It was fine if I kept it to straight cuts and titles. If I wanted to cross fade or do anything else that SOB crashed like a frat house after a party. There are probably some of my prior rants about it still in the archives. I tried to get along with that sucker. I really did. But there came a point in frustration where I could stand it no longer. In hindsight, maybe it was too hard to design a movie making program that operated on Pentium or Celeron class machines. Yet Microsoft wasn't about to let one of the selling points of the Mac go unchallenged. The first effort on Windows ME royally sucked. Windows Movie Maker2 did make it easy to create basic videos. But if you had to really edit or get video from different parts of your video, Kaboom, down it went. I'm on Vista with a Dual-Core 32bit system now. I have used Windows Movie Maker for quickies, making titles or really short projects. It hasn't crashed or locked up yet. I have other software that I use as my main editing programs (Corel Video Studio X12 and Serif Movie Plus X3). I do hope they can make this work. But I ain't fooling with it until it is confirmed and certified that the bugs, cooties and ickys have been cleansed from the code. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote: I never thought it would happen, but it seems Microsoft is actually updating Movie Maker, the free video editor that comes with their OS. Currently, Movie Maker is one shitty program and woe to anyone who tries editing with it. http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns/ - You'd like more transitions, more effects, multiple soundtracks, and more video editing features like trim and split. As movie makers ourselves, we're in the same boat as you are. We want those fun shatter transitions and warp effects just as much as you do! We're definitely working on improving this and plan to have a range of rich-editing capabilities in the first official version. - - You'd like something resembling a timeline in the product. In the Movie Maker beta, the storyboard didn't have the ability to represent time like a traditional timeline would. We've heard you say that you'd like to be able to drag and drop clips to get them to start and end where you want, and that you'd like to have music and text that span multiple photos or video clips. We've also heard that you'd like to at a glanc e see which clips are longer than others, which clips have effects applied, and which clips have transitions. Now, I don't want to give too much away just yet (we still have work to do!), but we're definitely aware of these limitations. We've developed a new approach that we think will help address some of the shortcomings of the beta and will scale well from novice to experienced users without requiring people to switch views in order to get things done. I love that, You'd like something resembling a timeline in the product. I dont mean to rip on Microsoft, but it's a little insane that it;s a big revelation that a video editing program needs a good timeline as a workspace. Anyway...glad they are updating. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
Good revision. :) I always found WMM 2.1 to be reasonably stable and used it for most of my vlogs. People were always surprised which editor I used. ( http://cookingkittycorner.blip.tv/file/44076/) Previous versions would crash regularly but that was over 5 years ago. As for Comic Sans Serif...I'm not sure that was ever a default font. I think you can blame general bad taste for that one. On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: Aw man. You know what? I'm going to have to disagree with you guys. The same way that Josh Leo can take a $2 camera and take awesome, thought-provoking photos, a video editor can take a not-top-of-the-line video editor and make a really kick-butt video. ...and not to argue, but crappy movies on YouTube can be made with iMovie and Final Cut Pro on their daddy's computer just as easy as they can on Windows Movie Maker... just sayin. I've made some fun videos with Movie Maker, like this set called Kid Vids, some shorts all from one day last summer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kitykity/sets/72157606379352536 I'll admit that I was probably over-aggressive to condemn Movie Maker. A talented video creator can make gems out of anything. I guess Im speaking from the experience of teaching many newbies how to edit for the very first time. More often than not, they have a PC...so Movie Maker is what we deal with. It's not the most intuitive program to start with. Hopefully this long-awaited update will bring improvements. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
When I first started doing web videos I was using WWM2. It was fine if I kept it to straight cuts and titles. If I wanted to cross fade or do anything else that SOB crashed like a frat house after a party. There are probably some of my prior rants about it still in the archives. I tried to get along with that sucker. I really did. But there came a point in frustration where I could stand it no longer. In hindsight, maybe it was too hard to design a movie making program that operated on Pentium or Celeron class machines. Yet Microsoft wasn't about to let one of the selling points of the Mac go unchallenged. The first effort on Windows ME royally sucked. Windows Movie Maker2 did make it easy to create basic videos. But if you had to really edit or get video from different parts of your video, Kaboom, down it went. I'm on Vista with a Dual-Core 32bit system now. I have used Windows Movie Maker for quickies, making titles or really short projects. It hasn't crashed or locked up yet. I have other software that I use as my main editing programs (Corel Video Studio X12 and Serif Movie Plus X3). I do hope they can make this work. But I ain't fooling with it until it is confirmed and certified that the bugs, cooties and ickys have been cleansed from the code. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote: I never thought it would happen, but it seems Microsoft is actually updating Movie Maker, the free video editor that comes with their OS. Currently, Movie Maker is one shitty program and woe to anyone who tries editing with it. http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns/ - You'd like more transitions, more effects, multiple soundtracks, and more video editing features like trim and split. As movie makers ourselves, we're in the same boat as you are. We want those fun shatter transitions and warp effects just as much as you do! We're definitely working on improving this and plan to have a range of rich-editing capabilities in the first official version. - - You'd like something resembling a timeline in the product. In the Movie Maker beta, the storyboard didn't have the ability to represent time like a traditional timeline would. We've heard you say that you'd like to be able to drag and drop clips to get them to start and end where you want, and that you'd like to have music and text that span multiple photos or video clips. We've also heard that you'd like to at a glance see which clips are longer than others, which clips have effects applied, and which clips have transitions. Now, I don't want to give too much away just yet (we still have work to do!), but we're definitely aware of these limitations. We've developed a new approach that we think will help address some of the shortcomings of the beta and will scale well from novice to experienced users without requiring people to switch views in order to get things done. I love that, You'd like something resembling a timeline in the product. I dont mean to rip on Microsoft, but it's a little insane that it;s a big revelation that a video editing program needs a good timeline as a workspace. Anyway...glad they are updating. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
I had much the same experience! I had to teach some wmm classes - when it crashed ( it always did), I told the class to expect that, it's just what the software does. I really like my mac :-) David Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Gena compumaven...@earthlink.net wrote: When I first started doing web videos I was using WWM2. It was fine if I kept it to straight cuts and titles. If I wanted to cross fade or do anything else that SOB crashed like a frat house after a party. There are probably some of my prior rants about it still in the archives. I tried to get along with that sucker. I really did. But there came a point in frustration where I could stand it no longer. In hindsight, maybe it was too hard to design a movie making program that operated on Pentium or Celeron class machines. Yet Microsoft wasn't about to let one of the selling points of the Mac go unchallenged. The first effort on Windows ME royally sucked. Windows Movie Maker2 did make it easy to create basic videos. But if you had to really edit or get video from different parts of your video, Kaboom, down it went. I'm on Vista with a Dual-Core 32bit system now. I have used Windows Movie Maker for quickies, making titles or really short projects. It hasn't crashed or locked up yet. I have other software that I use as my main editing programs (Corel Video Studio X12 and Serif Movie Plus X3). I do hope they can make this work. But I ain't fooling with it until it is confirmed and certified that the bugs, cooties and ickys have been cleansed from the code. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote: I never thought it would happen, but it seems Microsoft is actually updating Movie Maker, the free video editor that comes with their OS. Currently, Movie Maker is one shitty program and woe to anyone who tries editing with it. http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns/ - You'd like more transitions, more effects, multiple soundtracks, and more video editing features like trim and split. As movie makers ourselves, we're in the same boat as you are. We want those fun shatter transitions and warp effects just as much as you do! We're definitely working on improving this and plan to have a range of rich-editing capabilities in the first official version. - - You'd like something resembling a timeline in the product. In the Movie Maker beta, the storyboard didn't have the ability to represent time like a traditional timeline would. We've heard you say that you'd like to be able to drag and drop clips to get them to start and end where you want, and that you'd like to have music and text that span multiple photos or video clips. We've also heard that you'd like to – at a glanc e – see which clips are longer than others, which clips have effects applied, and which clips have transitions. Now, I don't want to give too much away just yet (we still have work to do!), but we're definitely aware of these limitations. We've developed a new approach that we think will help address some of the shortcomings of the beta and will scale well from novice to experienced users without requiring people to switch views in order to get things done. I love that, You'd like something resembling a timeline in the product. I dont mean to rip on Microsoft, but it's a little insane that it;s a big revelation that a video editing program needs a good timeline as a workspace. Anyway...glad they are updating. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
Aw man. You know what? I'm going to have to disagree with you guys. The same way that Josh Leo can take a $2 camera and take awesome, thought-provoking photos, a video editor can take a not-top-of-the-line video editor and make a really kick-butt video. ...and not to argue, but crappy movies on YouTube can be made with iMovie and Final Cut Pro on their daddy's computer just as easy as they can on Windows Movie Maker... just sayin. I've made some fun videos with Movie Maker, like this set called Kid Vids, some shorts all from one day last summer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kitykity/sets/72157606379352536 Hugs to all... Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytay...@... wrote: This is really hopeful, and I hope they exceed my rock-bottom expectations. The lack of an acceptable entry-level free video editor for Windows has not only made YouTube an eyesore, but is a serious barrier to media democracy. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote: I never thought it would happen, but it seems Microsoft is actually updating Movie Maker, the free video editor that comes with their OS. Currently, Movie Maker is one shitty program and woe to anyone who tries editing with it. http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!41131.entryhttp://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns%212F7EB29B42641D59%2141131.entry - You'd like more transitions, more effects, multiple soundtracks, and more video editing features like trim and split. As movie makers ourselves, we're in the same boat as you are. We want those fun shatter transitions and warp effects just as much as you do! We're definitely working on improving this and plan to have a range of rich-editing capabilities in the first official version. - - You'd like something resembling a timeline in the product. In the Movie Maker beta, the storyboard didn't have the ability to represent time like a traditional timeline would. We've heard you say that you'd like to be able to drag and drop clips to get them to start and end where you want, and that you'd like to have music and text that span multiple photos or video clips. We've also heard that you'd like to at a glance see which clips are longer than others, which clips have effects applied, and which clips have transitions. Now, I don't want to give too much away just yet (we still have work to do!), but we're definitely aware of these limitations. We've developed a new approach that we think will help address some of the shortcomings of the beta and will scale well from novice to experienced users without requiring people to switch views in order to get things done. I love that, You'd like something resembling a timeline in the product. I dont mean to rip on Microsoft, but it's a little insane that it;s a big revelation that a video editing program needs a good timeline as a workspace. Anyway...glad they are updating. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Jeffrey Taylor 912 Cole St, #349 San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Mobile: +14157281264 Fax: +33177722734 http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor http://organicconversations.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
I hear you Susan, and agree, but the visuals and filters provided to Movie Maker users don't unleash as much potential. Content wins in the in, but a solid-colored title screens with comic sans ad infinitum has become a tried and true dead giveaway. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Susan kityk...@gmail.com wrote: Aw man. You know what? I'm going to have to disagree with you guys. The same way that Josh Leo can take a $2 camera and take awesome, thought-provoking photos, a video editor can take a not-top-of-the-line video editor and make a really kick-butt video. ...and not to argue, but crappy movies on YouTube can be made with iMovie and Final Cut Pro on their daddy's computer just as easy as they can on Windows Movie Maker... just sayin. I've made some fun videos with Movie Maker, like this set called Kid Vids, some shorts all from one day last summer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kitykity/sets/72157606379352536 Hugs to all... Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytay...@... wrote: This is really hopeful, and I hope they exceed my rock-bottom expectations. The lack of an acceptable entry-level free video editor for Windows has not only made YouTube an eyesore, but is a serious barrier to media democracy. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote: I never thought it would happen, but it seems Microsoft is actually updating Movie Maker, the free video editor that comes with their OS. Currently, Movie Maker is one shitty program and woe to anyone who tries editing with it. http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns !2F7EB29B42641D59!41131.entry http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns%212F7EB29B42641D59%2141131.entry - You'd like more transitions, more effects, multiple soundtracks, and more video editing features like trim and split. As movie makers ourselves, we're in the same boat as you are. We want those fun shatter transitions and warp effects just as much as you do! We're definitely working on improving this and plan to have a range of rich-editing capabilities in the first official version. - - You'd like something resembling a timeline in the product. In the Movie Maker beta, the storyboard didn't have the ability to represent time like a traditional timeline would. We've heard you say that you'd like to be able to drag and drop clips to get them to start and end where you want, and that you'd like to have music and text that span multiple photos or video clips. We've also heard that you'd like to at a glance see which clips are longer than others, which clips have effects applied, and which clips have transitions. Now, I don't want to give too much away just yet (we still have work to do!), but we're definitely aware of these limitations. We've developed a new approach that we think will help address some of the shortcomings of the beta and will scale well from novice to experienced users without requiring people to switch views in order to get things done. I love that, You'd like something resembling a timeline in the product. I dont mean to rip on Microsoft, but it's a little insane that it;s a big revelation that a video editing program needs a good timeline as a workspace. Anyway...glad they are updating. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Jeffrey Taylor 912 Cole St, #349 San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Mobile: +14157281264 Fax: +33177722734 http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor http://organicconversations.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor 912 Cole St, #349 San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Mobile: +14157281264 Fax: +33177722734 http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor http://organicconversations.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
From: Jeffrey Taylor I hear you Susan, and agree, but the visuals and filters provided to Movie Maker users don't unleash as much potential. Content wins in the in, but a solid-colored title screens with comic sans ad infinitum has become a tried and true dead giveaway. And you know what it is most a giveaway of? Not just that they used Windows Movie Maker, but that they have no imagination whatsoever. I dare you to examine the videos I've uploaded to my blog. I've used Movie Maker for quite a number of things on them, and I've used PowerDirector for other bits. You'll probably be able to tell which was done on which. But although I would hardly call any of my videos top class productions, I think they're decent enough to cut the mustard. Ian B http://cityprod.blogspot.com/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
And for talented and seemingly inspired people like you and Susan, that's great. My hopes for future releases of entry-level video editing software is that it inspires people to see the possibility to do better and to explore ways and means to become a better media creator. I'm not quite sure that Windows Media Maker does that. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Ian Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net wrote: From: Jeffrey Taylor I hear you Susan, and agree, but the visuals and filters provided to Movie Maker users don't unleash as much potential. Content wins in the in, but a solid-colored title screens with comic sans ad infinitum has become a tried and true dead giveaway. And you know what it is most a giveaway of? Not just that they used Windows Movie Maker, but that they have no imagination whatsoever. I dare you to examine the videos I've uploaded to my blog. I've used Movie Maker for quite a number of things on them, and I've used PowerDirector for other bits. You'll probably be able to tell which was done on which. But although I would hardly call any of my videos top class productions, I think they're decent enough to cut the mustard. Ian B http://cityprod.blogspot.com/ -- Jeffrey Taylor 912 Cole St, #349 San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Mobile: +14157281264 Fax: +33177722734 http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor http://organicconversations.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
hahahahahaha *rolling on the floor laughing* --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote: I never thought it would happen, but it seems Microsoft is actually updating Movie Maker, the free video editor that comes with their OS. Currently, Movie Maker is one shitty program and woe to anyone who tries editing with it. snip Anyway...glad they are updating. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
wmm is a really quick tool. yo can easily cut and hold tempo with it. pepa garcía http://teleperra.com http://pepa.tv On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:57 PM, quietleader war...@schirtzinger.com wrote: hahahahahaha *rolling on the floor laughing* --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote: I never thought it would happen, but it seems Microsoft is actually updating Movie Maker, the free video editor that comes with their OS. Currently, Movie Maker is one shitty program and woe to anyone who tries editing with it. snip Anyway...glad they are updating. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Windows Movie Maker---New Version
Aw man. You know what? I'm going to have to disagree with you guys. The same way that Josh Leo can take a $2 camera and take awesome, thought-provoking photos, a video editor can take a not-top-of-the-line video editor and make a really kick-butt video. ...and not to argue, but crappy movies on YouTube can be made with iMovie and Final Cut Pro on their daddy's computer just as easy as they can on Windows Movie Maker... just sayin. I've made some fun videos with Movie Maker, like this set called Kid Vids, some shorts all from one day last summer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kitykity/sets/72157606379352536 I'll admit that I was probably over-aggressive to condemn Movie Maker. A talented video creator can make gems out of anything. I guess Im speaking from the experience of teaching many newbies how to edit for the very first time. More often than not, they have a PC...so Movie Maker is what we deal with. It's not the most intuitive program to start with. Hopefully this long-awaited update will bring improvements. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
