Wow! That's a lot of input! Thanks a lot to you, that's great for my research.
@Jay: >Yes, Adrian Miles was one of the first members of the group. We >discussed his Vogma Manifesto (http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/vog/tbd), >though I dont think he found the most responsive audience to his >academic leanings. Within my doctorate Adrian's manifesto is going to get quite some attention in order to discuss the form, the style, the motivation and the content of videoblogs. >One way is to see people in the United States as narcissistic. Very >very true in many ways. But I like to think that many of us are more >open and craving community that was stripped out of US society the >past century. It might not always come across in healthy ways, but >"open" makes more sense than "narcissistic". Making it up as we go >along. Tear down the castles. I see, my statement was not written precisely and my sentences can be misunderstand easily even though I think you, Jay, understood me well. My text in clear: I assume that Germans slightly tend to judge a videoblogger as narcissistic (worldwide, not only in the US) Myself, I see videoblogs as a way of self-assurance, freedom of opinion, sometimes journalism and above all communication. And here I am coming back to your point, Jay, that means openness as well. One thing: >I think a lot of us just starting making stuff instead of figuring out >how to define it. But I have a side of me that likes to say "this is >this". Both are good at appropriate times. Perfect! I agree perfectly! Actually, that's the way I am let's say educated. At my university they insist of studying the practise (you can see my productions here: www.JenniferAhl.de it's in German, but if you go just to the top, then to film you can just pick the first row of thumbnails you see and click on "ansehen" this film is without speech) and the theory. In short terms: Synergetic effects of that combination. There is no other way for my work, I always consider both sides of film and television even if the main focus lays on one of it. Bye and hope everything is understandable Jenna --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman <jay.ded...@...> wrote: > > > Thanks a lot for forwarding my email (to Joly - who?) and telling a bit > > about the early days. It's really helpful for my research because I hadn't > > been interested in web-videos at that time. Actually, I hadn't known about > > it before there was a local offer (just a >platform with videos) for the > > town I lived in. > > Joly started Punkcast.com and has good stories recording NYC punk > shows in audio/video starting in late 90's. > Good article about him: > http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-10-28/news/bootlegger-s-banquet/1 > > > General, web-tv is not too famous in Germany. Mostly, I have the feeling > > it's still an American trend (anyway, especially in tech-stuff, Europe is > > round about 4 years behind the US they say)... > > That's a really, really good question for social science or cultural > > anthropology if and why citizens of some societies are more interested in > > showing their everyday life > > But on the other hand the mainstream reality tv is quite famous in Germany, > > even though I think it goes down in some time. (It has been so long the > > favourite of the tv networks... ) > > But blogs are different. I think for a society blog and videoblog are a > > good way for real self-assurance. > > Why is it less usual in Germany (assumed it is like that): Maybe blogs are > > associated with narcissism. Also, we have a more or less strict liability > > to criticism. So with a Videoblog you are really vulnerable.. Just > > spontaneous speculation! What do you think? > > One way is to see people in the United States as narcissistic. Very > very true in many ways. But I like to think that many of us are more > open and craving community that was stripped out of US society the > past century. It might not always come across in healthy ways, but > "open" makes more sense than "narcissistic". Making it up as we go > along. Tear down the castles. > > Peter Van Dijck, from Belgian, actually started this group when he > lived in NYC. He always told me that Americans were much more "in your > face" and he liked it. > > > Can you tell me if the vogma manifesto was discussed within this group? I > > haven't found a wide discussion about it. Strange, if I >had been there I > > would have had the necessity to discuss it in detail. A pity, five years > > too late ;-D. > > Yes, Adrian Miles was one of the first members of the group. We > discussed his Vogma Manifesto (http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/vog/tbd), > though I dont think he found the most responsive audience to his > academic leanings. We were (are?) a lot of riff raff. In 2005, Michael > Verdi made the Vlog Anarchy manifesto in response here > (http://michaelverdi.com/2005/02/20/vlog-anarchy/). > > I think a lot of us just starting making stuff instead of figuring out > how to define it. But I have a side of me that likes to say "this is > this". Both are good at appropriate times. > > There's another group that sprung out of this one that focuses on > dreamy tech and academic discussions: > http://groups.google.com/group/artists-in-the-cloud > > Jay > > -- > http://ryanishungry.com > http://jaydedman.com > http://twitter.com/jaydedman > 917 371 6790 >
