Re: [videoblogging] The current best budget mic jacked cam?

2009-12-01 Thread Adam Quirk
David,

Are you sure it shoots 300fps progressive? I couldn't find that anywhere in
the specs. That would be very impressive.

Adam

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM, David Jones david.jo...@altium.com wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:17 AM, David Jones david.jo...@altium.com
 wrote:
  On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Caleb Clark cale...@well.com wrote:
 
  Oh wise list.
 
  I've got $2000 to spend for a university on a documentation kit (photos
 for
  web site and printed brochures, YouTube channel videos of interviews and
  talks). I'm wishing for a dSLR that has a mic port, so I can buy just
 one
  camera, but it seems that might be a bit premature. I love Canon's FS200
  type cameras (I actually like the tiny on camera fill LED light), but
 would
  prefer to stay away from AVCHD and just have a nice .mp4, .mov, or even
 .avi
  file to work with on Mac or PC basic editing platforms, but that's not
  crucial. I just have the feeling that AVCHD is so temporary...I don't
 need
  HD practically, but 16x9 I would like. Xacti's come to mind, if they
 aren't
  too wiggy with their UI and have some audio level control.

 One other thing I forgot to mention.
 I was going to get the Canon FS200, but the small sensor size turned
 me off. It's only got a tiny 1/6 CCD sensor (4.3mm^2), that's
 basically the smallest on the market.
 The Xacti on the other hand has a comparatively huge 1/2.5 CMOS
 sensor (25mm^2).
 See here:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format

 There is also a big difference in the lens. The Xacti has a huge fast
 F1.8 to F2.5 over a 10x zoom range, but the Canon has an inferior F2.0
 to F5.2 over a (gimmicky) 37x zoom range. More zoom is NOT good, it
 just means a smaller sensor size and slower lens for a given zoom
 level.

 Those things can make a huge difference in lower light and other image
 performance issues.

 So for the same price as the FS200, with the Xacti I got full HD, Hot
 Shoe, much bigger lens and sensor, and 300fps high speed shooting
 (useful to me, useless for some).

 No contest IMO.

 Dave.


 

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Re: [videoblogging] The current best budget mic jacked cam?

2009-12-01 Thread David Jones
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Adam Quirk qu...@wreckandsalvage.com wrote:

 David,

 Are you sure it shoots 300fps progressive? I couldn't find that anywhere in
 the specs. That would be very impressive.

The official specs are here, but it looks like they are incorrect
(30fps instead of 300fps):
http://us.sanyo.com/Digital-Camcorders/VPC-HD1010BK-Full-1080p-HD-Video-30fps-and-4MP-Photos

Try here:
http://www.testfreaks.com/digital-camcorders/sanyo-xacti-vpc-hd1010/

My Xacti HD-1010 does indeed do 448 x 336 (300 fps) in Web-SHR mode.
I can record 10 seconds of video at this frame rate.
See here for some high speed footage I shot:
http://www.eevblog.com/2009/11/04/eevblog-42-exploding-capacitors-in-high-speed/

But this is an old model, the new HD2000 model can do 600fps at a smaller size:
http://sanyo.com/xacti/english/products/vpc_hd2000/spec.html

Dave.


[videoblogging] The current best budget mic jacked cam?

2009-11-30 Thread Caleb Clark
Oh wise list.

I've got $2000 to spend for a university on a documentation kit (photos for
web site and printed brochures, YouTube channel videos of interviews and
talks).  I'm wishing for a dSLR that has a mic port, so I can buy just one
camera, but it seems that might be a bit premature. I love Canon's FS200
type cameras (I actually like the tiny on camera fill LED light), but would
prefer to stay away from AVCHD and just have a nice .mp4, .mov, or even .avi
file to work with on Mac or PC basic editing platforms, but that's not
crucial. I just have the feeling that AVCHD is so temporary...I don't need
HD practically, but 16x9 I would like. Xacti's come to mind, if they aren't
too wiggy with their UI and have some audio level control.

I guess if no magic dSLR is out there with a mic port, for under 2K with a
tripod I'll go Canon Vixia with a SD Powershot still...

Thoughts?

Thank you.

-- 
~ Caleb Clark
- Program Director, Marlboro College Graduate School:
http://gradcenter.marlboro.edu/academics/mat/faculty
- Portfolio: http://www.plocktau.com
The problem with communication is the assumption it has been accomplished.
- G. B. Shaw.


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Re: [videoblogging] The current best budget mic jacked cam?

2009-11-30 Thread Rupert
Christian Payne (@documentally) showed me his point and shoot Lumix  
the other day - shoots great looking video.
The Lumix GH1 compact DSLR is $1500, shoots 720p  1080p at 60fps
24fps and has a Mic jack.
http://www.adorama.com/alc/article/Product-Review-Panasonic-Lumix-GH1

On 30-Nov-09, at 5:55 PM, Caleb Clark wrote:

 Oh wise list.

 I've got $2000 to spend for a university on a documentation kit  
 (photos for
 web site and printed brochures, YouTube channel videos of interviews  
 and
 talks). I'm wishing for a dSLR that has a mic port, so I can buy  
 just one
 camera, but it seems that might be a bit premature. I love Canon's  
 FS200
 type cameras (I actually like the tiny on camera fill LED light),  
 but would
 prefer to stay away from AVCHD and just have a nice .mp4, .mov, or  
 even .avi
 file to work with on Mac or PC basic editing platforms, but that's not
 crucial. I just have the feeling that AVCHD is so temporary...I  
 don't need
 HD practically, but 16x9 I would like. Xacti's come to mind, if they  
 aren't
 too wiggy with their UI and have some audio level control.

 I guess if no magic dSLR is out there with a mic port, for under 2K  
 with a
 tripod I'll go Canon Vixia with a SD Powershot still...

 Thoughts?

 Thank you.

 -- 
 ~ Caleb Clark
 - Program Director, Marlboro College Graduate School:
 http://gradcenter.marlboro.edu/academics/mat/faculty
 - Portfolio: http://www.plocktau.com
 The problem with communication is the assumption it has been  
 accomplished.
 - G. B. Shaw.

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Re: [videoblogging] The current best budget mic jacked cam?

2009-11-30 Thread David Jones
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Caleb Clark cale...@well.com wrote:

 Oh wise list.

 I've got $2000 to spend for a university on a documentation kit (photos for
 web site and printed brochures, YouTube channel videos of interviews and
 talks). I'm wishing for a dSLR that has a mic port, so I can buy just one
 camera, but it seems that might be a bit premature. I love Canon's FS200
 type cameras (I actually like the tiny on camera fill LED light), but would
 prefer to stay away from AVCHD and just have a nice .mp4, .mov, or even .avi
 file to work with on Mac or PC basic editing platforms, but that's not
 crucial. I just have the feeling that AVCHD is so temporary...I don't need
 HD practically, but 16x9 I would like. Xacti's come to mind, if they aren't
 too wiggy with their UI and have some audio level control.

I got an Xacti HD-1010 that cost me $400 a few months back, The
HD-2000 is the latest model, that's around $500 I think.
Very nice cam that gives great results for the money. Yes, it has an
external mic port and audio input level adjust (course low/mid/high
type thing).
No on-screen signal level meter though, but it has a headphone port
that makes up for that (I don't use it though)
Hot shoe attachment for external mic is handy.
Great range of shooting options for size/quality.
Nice big bright fast lens, I doubt you'll get better quality optics on
any sub $1000 camcorder.
The MP4's it outputs load directly into my Ulead VideoStudio package
no problems.
The autofocus can be a bit touchy with moving objects.
The head/face tracking mode works.
Works well in low light indoors environments.
Forget all the talk about the UI being crap, it it perfectly fine and
understandable, works more like a still camera and not like a
camcorder, that's why people get confused with it. And the joystick
thing works just fine. It also comes an IR remote that also operates
the menus. I expect the worst after the reviews, but I've had no
problems with it at all.

Forget internal LED lights, they are all but useless, little more than
a gimmick. If you need external lighting, get good quality external
lighting and attach to the hot-shoe.

See my blog for examples:
http://www.eevblog.com

Dave.


Re: [videoblogging] The current best budget mic jacked cam?

2009-11-30 Thread David Jones
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:17 AM, David Jones david.jo...@altium.com wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Caleb Clark cale...@well.com wrote:

 Oh wise list.

 I've got $2000 to spend for a university on a documentation kit (photos for
 web site and printed brochures, YouTube channel videos of interviews and
 talks). I'm wishing for a dSLR that has a mic port, so I can buy just one
 camera, but it seems that might be a bit premature. I love Canon's FS200
 type cameras (I actually like the tiny on camera fill LED light), but would
 prefer to stay away from AVCHD and just have a nice .mp4, .mov, or even .avi
 file to work with on Mac or PC basic editing platforms, but that's not
 crucial. I just have the feeling that AVCHD is so temporary...I don't need
 HD practically, but 16x9 I would like. Xacti's come to mind, if they aren't
 too wiggy with their UI and have some audio level control.

One other thing I forgot to mention.
I was going to get the Canon FS200, but the small sensor size turned
me off. It's only got a tiny 1/6 CCD sensor (4.3mm^2), that's
basically the smallest on the market.
The Xacti on the other hand has a comparatively huge 1/2.5 CMOS
sensor (25mm^2).
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format

There is also a big difference in the lens. The Xacti has a huge fast
F1.8 to F2.5 over a 10x zoom range, but the Canon has an inferior F2.0
to F5.2 over a (gimmicky) 37x zoom range. More zoom is NOT good, it
just means a smaller sensor size and slower lens for a given zoom
level.

Those things can make a huge difference in lower light and other image
performance issues.

So for the same price as the FS200, with the Xacti I got full HD, Hot
Shoe, much bigger lens and sensor, and 300fps high speed shooting
(useful to me, useless for some).

No contest IMO.

Dave.