Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
That was the right answer. Seriously::the killfile can be your friend. Gmail is your friend. Well done. XO, Jan -- "It isn't done alone. Pay more." http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movementhttp://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinimahttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - mediahttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literaturehttp://the-hold.blogspot.com - arthttp://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html - filmmaker - Original Message - From: Joshua Seiden To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch At what point is it appropriate to send a message off-list to a member or members who have crossed a line? When is the line crossed? What are the lines? No single answer. This is one of those "community standards" problems. (For example, we're talking about this because my nose for the line is different from the majority nose here :-(. How might the moderators have done a better job?I think the moderators of a list this size should have some support--the job is hard enough. If I were the moderation team, I'd consider establishing some guidelines. Propose guidelines, set them before the community, and then work from there. Once the guidelines are in place, moderation actions should always cite the guideline in question--the guidelines that the community itself has constructed.The point is that the moderators represent the community interest. By working from community guidelines, you avoid creating an arbitrary police state. On the other hand, developing guidelines is a lot of work--it appears that in this case, the community doesn't think any change in moderation is needed. I can live with that too. Thank you too for your responses. JS SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
You're quite right Joshua that some recent threads here made
this list a bit hot around the keyboard collar. And thanks for your considered
response.
We grow as a community by identifying and solving issues, and
this has been one of those growth spurts, for sure.
At what point is it appropriate to send a message off-list to
a member or members who have crossed a line? When is the line crossed? What are
the lines?
I tend to prefer to allow folks to work out their own issues
until it becomes apparent that it can't be handled by the folks directly
involved. And that's how it's been heretofore handled -
perhaps a bit late to the trigger, but nonetheless, handled
off-list.
In the instant situation, it was just about time to get the
moderators involved when the heat died down, so...
How might the moderators have done a better job?
XO,
Jan
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- Original Message -
From:
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To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:35
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Subject: Re: [videoblogging]
VideoBloggers out to lunch
Curious, Joshua, how - were you a moderator - you would
have handled this.Who would you have written and what
would you have said?That's a fair question, Jan.I don't think
moderation is only about what a moderator writes and/or says in the moment.
It's also about proactive measures to establish community guidelines.
An email list is a fragile community, one that operates according to
constructed guidelines. Sometimes the construction of those guidelines is part
of a very conscious process. Other times, the guidelines emerge in an ad-hoc
manner. In a well moderated community, moderation (be it one moderator,
a team of moderators, or community self-moderation) represents the guidelines
and values that the community has put in place. This group has no
explicit guidelines that apply to what kind of posts are appropriate, or to
what action should be taken when a post crosses the line. (At least none that
I could see on the group's home page). But it does have a strong culture of
implicit guidelines. Given that, moderators have few tools at their
disposal--only feeling for the situation. So I can't answer your
question directly, Jan, because I think moderators must work from rules and
authority given by the community. I don't have that. However, I can
tell you why I posted a call for stepped up moderation. I felt the
responses in the thread I cited, ("belittling me") stepped across a line. I
had no problem with the original post. People make videos and want to
publicize them. Great. But I felt that the textual responses to the video
would have been better posted as comments to the Paul's vlog. I didn't think
the responses that launched broad attacks on national character were
appropriate. They struck me as broad generalizations related only tangentially
to videoblogging. And to clarify one point: I see now that my initial
post to this thread was ambiguous. I don't agree with the original poster's
assertion that we should all stick to technical issues. I'm very very
interested in the cultural issues of videoblogging. I just don't think that
calling someone's country ugly makes our list a better place.
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Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
outside of obvious spam, their is much reserve before interjecting... usually the members must repeatedly demonstrate that...they dont get it... or that they are simply stuck in a riot and need someone to splash some water in their face. and it happens, trust me. anything that is occasional and marginal, at least for me, is not touched. not before long, it is lost in the flow anyway.passivity seems to work fine here. especially when it is presumed that people will filter noise. the good, the bad and the ugly... swirlyvloggerlyreal ;-)sullOn 5/18/06, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're quite right Joshua that some recent threads here made this list a bit hot around the keyboard collar. And thanks for your considered response. We grow as a community by identifying and solving issues, and this has been one of those growth spurts, for sure. At what point is it appropriate to send a message off-list to a member or members who have crossed a line? When is the line crossed? What are the lines? I tend to prefer to allow folks to work out their own issues until it becomes apparent that it can't be handled by the folks directly involved. And that's how it's been heretofore handled - perhaps a bit late to the trigger, but nonetheless, handled off-list. In the instant situation, it was just about time to get the moderators involved when the heat died down, so... How might the moderators have done a better job? XO, Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movementhttp://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinimahttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - mediahttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literaturehttp://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html - filmmaker - Original Message - From: Joshua Seiden To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch Curious, Joshua, how - were you a moderator - you would have handled this.Who would you have written and what would you have said?That's a fair question, Jan.I don't think moderation is only about what a moderator writes and/or says in the moment. It's also about proactive measures to establish community guidelines. An email list is a fragile community, one that operates according to constructed guidelines. Sometimes the construction of those guidelines is part of a very conscious process. Other times, the guidelines emerge in an ad-hoc manner. In a well moderated community, moderation (be it one moderator, a team of moderators, or community self-moderation) represents the guidelines and values that the community has put in place. This group has no explicit guidelines that apply to what kind of posts are appropriate, or to what action should be taken when a post crosses the line. (At least none that I could see on the group's home page). But it does have a strong culture of implicit guidelines. Given that, moderators have few tools at their disposal--only feeling for the situation. So I can't answer your question directly, Jan, because I think moderators must work from rules and authority given by the community. I don't have that. However, I can tell you why I posted a call for stepped up moderation. I felt the responses in the thread I cited, (belittling me) stepped across a line. I had no problem with the original post. People make videos and want to publicize them. Great. But I felt that the textual responses to the video would have been better posted as comments to the Paul's vlog. I didn't think the responses that launched broad attacks on national character were appropriate. They struck me as broad generalizations related only tangentially to videoblogging. And to clarify one point: I see now that my initial post to this thread was ambiguous. I don't agree with the original poster's assertion that we should all stick to technical issues. I'm very very interested in the cultural issues of videoblogging. I just don't think that calling someone's country ugly makes our list a better place. JS SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
You are correct that there are different styles of moderation, and no single style is going to satisfy every list member. When I used to moderate an active technology list, no matter what I did, it was wrong in somebody's eyes - Why don't you shut him up? vs How dare you censor me? Suggestions to use your filter are not condescending, but trying to be helpful. Ages ago someone suggested receiving individual messages, but in Gmail, where they thread automatically. That's what I've been doing since, and it works very well for me. Off-topic discussions on active lists are a fact of life, and it's very much open to question what is off-topic for this list in particular. We are, as several people noted, doing something entirely new, and people care passionately about why we do it as well as how. This is good. Passionate users keep pushing the envelope and making new discoveries that benefit us all. But you can't ask them to address their passion only to the technical stuff - we would lose a lot of the value of this list if that were the case. On 5/17/06, Joshua Seiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not asking the moderators to read my mind, just to consider how they do their job. Clearly, the old hands on this list value a wide open style of moderation. But other opinions about this style of moderation do exist. To speak up engenders the condescension (learn to filter) and disrespect (overseers...squelch speech) that makes this list such a tough place for outsiders. Moderation is about tone, certainly. But it's also about keeping discussion on topic. I fail to see what threads like Just before you start belitting me again have to do with videoblogging. JS On 5/16/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the vlogosphere is a fluid, dynamic space. topics here may be influenced by this fact. each week/month has a different flow of activity and content. learn to filter. dont ask moderators to read your minds. sull YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
Curious, Joshua, how - were you a moderator - you would have handled this. Who would you have written and what would you have said? Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html - filmmaker - Original Message - On 5/17/06, Joshua Seiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not asking the moderators to read my mind, just to consider how they do their job. Clearly, the old hands on this list value a wide open style of moderation. But other opinions about this style of moderation do exist. To speak up engenders the condescension (learn to filter) and disrespect (overseers...squelch speech) that makes this list such a tough place for outsiders. Moderation is about tone, certainly. But it's also about keeping discussion on topic. I fail to see what threads like Just before you start belitting me again have to do with videoblogging. JS On 5/16/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the vlogosphere is a fluid, dynamic space. topics here may be influenced by this fact. each week/month has a different flow of activity and content. learn to filter. dont ask moderators to read your minds. sull YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
yeah, this one 10 out of 12 months ;-)On 5/16/06, DrLinton Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is just getting too out there well generally wasting mytime. Is there a REAL blogging listserv somewhere about technical aspects of blogging, programs, techniques, creativity and ideas thatdoes NOT involve, politics, religion, or such topics.With friendly greetings,Linton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow.http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
In my world, I cannot separate people from technology, from content, from art, from topic, from meaning, from politics...the videoblogging community is a bunch of people sharing ideas through a similar medium, to only focus on the medium is ignoring the reason we use it at all. On 5/16/06, DrLinton Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is just getting too out there well generally wasting mytime. Is there a REAL blogging listserv somewhere about technicalaspects of blogging, programs, techniques, creativity and ideas thatdoes NOT involve, politics, religion, or such topics. With friendly greetings,Linton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Josh Leowww.JoshLeo.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
do you mean one where the members aren't already wise to the hey everyone, please test my video trick? ;) DrLinton Hutchinson wrote: This list is just getting too out there well generally wasting my time. Is there a REAL blogging listserv somewhere about technical aspects of blogging, programs, techniques, creativity and ideas that does NOT involve, politics, religion, or such topics. With friendly greetings, Linton Yahoo! Groups Links -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
Here are my tips for reading this list:1. Use a threaded email client - I use gmail2. Set up a filter/rule/label, whatever and send all videoblogging emails to a separate folder (not your inbox)3. Scan the subject lines, read and flag what you are interested in 4. Ignore what you're not interested in - I mark them as read. If you're not interested in drama you can usually (not always) identify those threads by their subject lines and high message count.-Verdi On 5/16/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, this one 10 out of 12 months ;-)On 5/16/06, DrLinton Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is just getting too out there well generally wasting my time. Is there a REAL blogging listserv somewhere about technical aspects of blogging, programs, techniques, creativity and ideas thatdoes NOT involve, politics, religion, or such topics.With friendly greetings,Linton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Author of the book Secrets Of VideobloggingMe -- http://michaelverdi.comLearn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.orgI'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
This list was never exclusively about the technology. It has always talked a lot about what is this thing we are calling videoblogging? Is it filmmaking? Is is television? Is it text blogging? A diary? Home movies? All of the above? None of the above, but has something in common with each... What kind of videos are we making? Why? What kind of habits / expectations are we creating as a group by making the choices we are making? I see these recent discussions that you are calling politics, religion, or such topics as part of the meaty debate of what this medium is, what it could be, how it might be different than what we've seen before, how it can stand on the shoulders of everything that's come before. I don't see hardly any off-topic discussions that are irrelevant to media making and distribution -- I think there's always been a deep awareness by this group that we are collectively inventing a new medium that will have a deep and profound impact on the future of media globally. And we are having sometimes-heating discussions about what exactly we are doing and debating the results we are getting. I'm glad! The cultural shifts that we are making happen are as important to discuss as the technology tools. Awareness is always good. Representation, access, funding, creativity, oppression, promotion, corporate culture, mass media culture, film/television history, internet culture, open source movement culture... these are all _very_ much part of the discussion. If this list is wasting time that you'd prefer to use doing other things, than do that. jen jenSimmons http://www.jensimmons.com On May 16, 2006, at 9:44 AM, Dr Linton Hutchinson wrote: This list is just getting too out there well generally wasting my time. Is there a REAL blogging listserv somewhere about technical aspects of blogging, programs, techniques, creativity and ideas that does NOT involve, politics, religion, or such topics. With friendly greetings, Linton SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
I agree that the signal to noise ratio on this list is poor. It would be nice if moderation stepped up a notch.This is far and away the most out-of-control list that I still subscribe to. JS On 5/16/06, DrLinton Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is just getting too out there well generally wasting mytime. Is there a REAL blogging listserv somewhere about technicalaspects of blogging, programs, techniques, creativity and ideas thatdoes NOT involve, politics, religion, or such topics. With friendly greetings,Linton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
yeah can we get some overseers to squelch our speech here, I am getting sick of the sharing of ideas and opinions, I want to hear more people talk about the nuances of bitrate and coangular integration of digital formats! if anything reducing noise has to be user-self-control... thank youOn 5/16/06, Joshua Seiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the signal to noise ratio on this list is poor. It would be nice if moderation stepped up a notch.This is far and away the most out-of-control list that I still subscribe to. JS On 5/16/06, DrLinton Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is just getting too out there well generally wasting mytime. Is there a REAL blogging listserv somewhere about technicalaspects of blogging, programs, techniques, creativity and ideas thatdoes NOT involve, politics, religion, or such topics. With friendly greetings,Linton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Josh Leowww.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
Signal to noise comes up as an issue predictably every few months. Folks are way passionate about this and all the possibilities vlogging represents. Lots of us take breaks from vlogging and this list. I always end up returning, always skim, even if not posting much. This group has 'life' and is 'lively'. Lots of strong personalities. Lots of ideas and inspirations and implications. Compared to other intellectual / technical groups to which I've belonged in the last 11 years, the arguments here are less prone to internecine fighting and ad hominim attacks than any other really serious group. I credit Jay with keeping it peaceful and focussed here. Let's all try to take one more deep breath before hitting the 'send' buttons, folks. That'll help. You can understand the upswing in posts given the fact that Vloggercon swifly approaches. Finally: frustrated with this list? Vlog it! *grin XO, Jan -- http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://the-hold.blogspot.com - poetry http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media On May 16, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Joshua Seiden wrote: I agree that the signal to noise ratio on this list is poor. It would be nice if moderation stepped up a notch. This is far and away the most out-of-control list that I still subscribe to. JS On 5/16/06, DrLinton Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This list is just getting too out there well generally wasting my time. Is there a REAL blogging listserv somewhere about technical aspects of blogging, programs, techniques, creativity and ideas that does NOT involve, politics, religion, or such topics. With friendly greetings, Linton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links *> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ *> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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the vlogosphere is a fluid, dynamic space.topics here may be influenced by this fact.each week/month has a different flow of activity and content.learn to filter. dont ask moderators to read your minds. sullOn 5/16/06, Joshua Seiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the signal to noise ratio on this list is poor. It would be nice if moderation stepped up a notch.This is far and away the most out-of-control list that I still subscribe to. JS On 5/16/06, DrLinton Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is just getting too out there well generally wasting mytime. Is there a REAL blogging listserv somewhere about technicalaspects of blogging, programs, techniques, creativity and ideas thatdoes NOT involve, politics, religion, or such topics. With friendly greetings,Linton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] VideoBloggers out to lunch
I'm not asking the moderators to read my mind, just to consider how they do their job.Clearly, the old hands on this list value a wide open style of moderation. But other opinions about this style of moderation do exist. To speak up engenders the condescension (learn to filter) and disrespect (overseers...squelch speech) that makes this list such a tough place for outsiders. Moderation is about tone, certainly. But it's also about keeping discussion on topic. I fail to see what threads like Just before you start belitting me again have to do with videoblogging. JSOn 5/16/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the vlogosphere is a fluid, dynamic space.topics here may be influenced by this fact.each week/month has a different flow of activity and content.learn to filter. dont ask moderators to read your minds. sull YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
