Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that
I've been reading everyone's views on pricing and now feel I must jump in with another perspective. I'm not a librarian. I'm in distance education and go to vendors for streaming rights only for use in our online degree programs. I am not serving the University population, just a small portion of it and I don't like being charged pricing based on the fact that we are a Research I institution or have over 20,000 FTE, etc. I have a limited budget; therefore, I've had to pass on a lot of product because of the pricing for streaming rights. I have good relationships with a lot of the vendors and have been able to negotiate for better pricing in some cases, but it does get tedious. Shelia Shelia D. Owens Distance Education 200 Brister Hall (901)678-2236 Office (901) 678-5112 Fax www.memphis.edu/ecampus From: Janice Woo [mailto:j...@cca.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:11 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that Agree, use the Carnegie Classifications, and please include a tier for Special Focus Institutions. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Susan Albrecht albre...@wabash.edumailto:albre...@wabash.edu wrote: Scott, That's why I mentioned the Carnegie Classifications. No, there's no perfect, completely fair way to do it, but ANY kind of breakdown that acknowledges significant differences in size would be welcomed. I know that with periodicals, there are sometimes only 3 categories for colleges universities: small, medium and large. The cutoff in one such case for small is under 10,000 FTE. I still think there's likely to be a substantial budgetary difference between an institution with 1,000 FTE and one with 10,000, but even that kind of acknowledgement that there are differences between under-10,000 and, say, 10,000-20,000 and over-20,000 might be appropriate. BTW, I appreciated Deg's comments on ASU's particular role in building a large collection - someone needing to ensure that broad, deep, even esoteric collections exist somewhere. Not many institutions expect that of themselves nor provide the budget to accomplish it. I do think that there are a large number of libraries and media centers which want to and attempt to collect a core of those must-have independent films, though. Deg is blessed with the resources to have purchased 150 or so titles from NMM. I only managed 68 (plus a dozen or so available at home use level). If size were taken into account even a bit in pricing, perhaps we could have reached 100? Susan Albrecht -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of scott petersen Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:40 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that How would I figure out the resources of a particular school? Of course, it's easy to figure out if a particular institution is a community college or not, but it seems that there could be a dozen ways to slice it up (size, acq budget, etc.) which might just create more confusion for the librarians and trouble for me. I'd like to make the process as simple as possible while offering a fair price (and still make some money). Bset, Scott Petersen www.MataOrtizMovie.comhttp://www.MataOrtizMovie.com On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.commailto:maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: Scott I don't think there is a magic number. If you handle all your sales directly I think the key is flexibility. You can start with a price you think appropriate but work with colleges and libraries depending on their resources. If your film has a particular target audience or user it might help to make them part of the process. Librarians are much more inclined to purchase films that will be used either in classes or just taken out. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that
So long as libraries get no additional rights for paying more for the videos, I expect they will most often opt for the least expensive options for acquiring videos. If distributors sold rights to stream videos for online course and other uses that would benefit libraries and education, then the higher price would be justifiable. Athena Athena Hoeppner Electronic Resources Librarian University of Central Florida Libraries ath...@ucf.edumailto:ath...@ucf.edu | 407-823-5049 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Janice Woo Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:11 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that Agree, use the Carnegie Classifications, and please include a tier for Special Focus Institutions. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Susan Albrecht albre...@wabash.edumailto:albre...@wabash.edu wrote: Scott, That's why I mentioned the Carnegie Classifications. No, there's no perfect, completely fair way to do it, but ANY kind of breakdown that acknowledges significant differences in size would be welcomed. I know that with periodicals, there are sometimes only 3 categories for colleges universities: small, medium and large. The cutoff in one such case for small is under 10,000 FTE. I still think there's likely to be a substantial budgetary difference between an institution with 1,000 FTE and one with 10,000, but even that kind of acknowledgement that there are differences between under-10,000 and, say, 10,000-20,000 and over-20,000 might be appropriate. BTW, I appreciated Deg's comments on ASU's particular role in building a large collection - someone needing to ensure that broad, deep, even esoteric collections exist somewhere. Not many institutions expect that of themselves nor provide the budget to accomplish it. I do think that there are a large number of libraries and media centers which want to and attempt to collect a core of those must-have independent films, though. Deg is blessed with the resources to have purchased 150 or so titles from NMM. I only managed 68 (plus a dozen or so available at home use level). If size were taken into account even a bit in pricing, perhaps we could have reached 100? Susan Albrecht -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of scott petersen Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:40 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that How would I figure out the resources of a particular school? Of course, it's easy to figure out if a particular institution is a community college or not, but it seems that there could be a dozen ways to slice it up (size, acq budget, etc.) which might just create more confusion for the librarians and trouble for me. I'd like to make the process as simple as possible while offering a fair price (and still make some money). Bset, Scott Petersen www.MataOrtizMovie.comhttp://www.MataOrtizMovie.com On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.commailto:maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: Scott I don't think there is a magic number. If you handle all your sales directly I think the key is flexibility. You can start with a price you think appropriate but work with colleges and libraries depending on their resources. If your film has a particular target audience or user it might help to make them part of the process. Librarians are much more inclined to purchase films that will be used either in classes or just taken out. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that
Athena I think that is EXACTLY what distributors are trying to do, though this is limited to distributors of of mostly non fiction, independent , classic and some foreign films obviously not going to happen with studios. I think most distributors ( everyone from Icarus to Zeitgeist) are eager to include streaming rights when they have them ( there are exceptions and limitations depending on the title) are eager and happy to do this. There has been a growing problem with schools streaming entire films without permission or license but again distributors ( and filmmakers who sometimes need a push on this) are absolutely moving to this model. On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Athena Hoeppner ath...@ucf.edu wrote: So long as libraries get no additional rights for paying more for the videos, I expect they will most often opt for the least expensive options for acquiring videos. If distributors sold rights to stream videos for online course and other uses that would benefit libraries and education, then the higher price would be justifiable. ** ** Athena ** ** Athena Hoeppner Electronic Resources Librarian University of Central Florida Libraries ath...@ucf.edu | 407-823-5049 ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Janice Woo *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:11 PM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that ** ** Agree, use the Carnegie Classifications, and please include a tier for Special Focus Institutions. ** ** On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Susan Albrecht albre...@wabash.edu wrote: Scott, That's why I mentioned the Carnegie Classifications. No, there's no perfect, completely fair way to do it, but ANY kind of breakdown that acknowledges significant differences in size would be welcomed. I know that with periodicals, there are sometimes only 3 categories for colleges universities: small, medium and large. The cutoff in one such case for small is under 10,000 FTE. I still think there's likely to be a substantial budgetary difference between an institution with 1,000 FTE and one with 10,000, but even that kind of acknowledgement that there are differences between under-10,000 and, say, 10,000-20,000 and over-20,000 might be appropriate. BTW, I appreciated Deg's comments on ASU's particular role in building a large collection - someone needing to ensure that broad, deep, even esoteric collections exist somewhere. Not many institutions expect that of themselves nor provide the budget to accomplish it. I do think that there are a large number of libraries and media centers which want to and attempt to collect a core of those must-have independent films, though. Deg is blessed with the resources to have purchased 150 or so titles from NMM. I only managed 68 (plus a dozen or so available at home use level). If size were taken into account even a bit in pricing, perhaps we could have reached 100? Susan Albrecht -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of scott petersen Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:40 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that How would I figure out the resources of a particular school? Of course, it's easy to figure out if a particular institution is a community college or not, but it seems that there could be a dozen ways to slice it up (size, acq budget, etc.) which might just create more confusion for the librarians and trouble for me. I'd like to make the process as simple as possible while offering a fair price (and still make some money). Bset, Scott Petersen www.MataOrtizMovie.com On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: Scott I don't think there is a magic number. If you handle all your sales directly I think the key is flexibility. You can start with a price you think appropriate but work with colleges and libraries depending on their resources. If your film has a particular target audience or user it might help to make them part of the process. Librarians are much more inclined to purchase films that will be used either in classes or just taken out. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. ** ** VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection,
Re: [Videolib] Copyright Alert System (CAS)
There was an NPR interview with one of the people involved and it was very, very funny. When asked what happens after six strikes and warnings, the person replied that, well, nothing happens. So the idea is if you are more flagrant, they will have no option but to stop taunting you. Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com Visit our new websites! www.shirleyclarkefilms.com, www.comebackafrica.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com http://www.killerofsheep.com/ Support Milestone Film on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 and Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivistshttp://www.amianet.org/ and like them on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717 AMIA 2013 Conference, Richmond, Virginia, November 5-9!http://www.amianet.org/ On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Laura Jenemann ljene...@gmu.edu wrote: Has anyone been involved in the Copyright Alert System (CAS)? From Wednesday's Cynopsis: How do you combat internet piracy? You give consumers six strikes -- sort of. The Center for Copyright Information, a joint venture of entertainment copyright holders and internet service providers (ISPs), has launched the Copyright Alert System (CAS). Here's how it works: A content owner/copyright holder will notify a participating ISP if they believe a consumer has been illegally downloading digital content like a movie or TV show. The ISP will then send a notice to the allegedly guilty party. Consumers get six strikes. Potential actions from an ISP include temporary reductions in internet speed and redirecting consumers to a landing page until they contact the ISP and/or complete a copyright education program. http://www.cynopsis.com/editions/digital/022713/#Joint%20venture%20launches%20six-strike%20program%20to%20combat%20digital%20piracy Regards, Laura -- Laura Jenemann Film Studies/Media Services Librarian Johnson Center Library George Mason University 4400 University Drive MS 1A6 Fairfax VA, 22030 Phone: 703-993-7593 Email: ljene...@gmu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Copyright Alert System (CAS)
Actually it varies by ISP. The bigger ones say they will either terminate your service or give you a slower speed but it remains to be seen if they will actually do that. On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: There was an NPR interview with one of the people involved and it was very, very funny. When asked what happens after six strikes and warnings, the person replied that, well, nothing happens. So the idea is if you are more flagrant, they will have no option but to stop taunting you. Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com Visit our new websites! www.shirleyclarkefilms.com, www.comebackafrica.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com http://www.killerofsheep.com/ Support Milestone Film on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 and Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivistshttp://www.amianet.org/ and like them on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717 AMIA 2013 Conference, Richmond, Virginia, November 5-9!http://www.amianet.org/ On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Laura Jenemann ljene...@gmu.edu wrote: Has anyone been involved in the Copyright Alert System (CAS)? From Wednesday's Cynopsis: How do you combat internet piracy? You give consumers six strikes -- sort of. The Center for Copyright Information, a joint venture of entertainment copyright holders and internet service providers (ISPs), has launched the Copyright Alert System (CAS). Here's how it works: A content owner/copyright holder will notify a participating ISP if they believe a consumer has been illegally downloading digital content like a movie or TV show. The ISP will then send a notice to the allegedly guilty party. Consumers get six strikes. Potential actions from an ISP include temporary reductions in internet speed and redirecting consumers to a landing page until they contact the ISP and/or complete a copyright education program. http://www.cynopsis.com/editions/digital/022713/#Joint%20venture%20launches%20six-strike%20program%20to%20combat%20digital%20piracy Regards, Laura -- Laura Jenemann Film Studies/Media Services Librarian Johnson Center Library George Mason University 4400 University Drive MS 1A6 Fairfax VA, 22030 Phone: 703-993-7593 Email: ljene...@gmu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
