Re: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions

[Randal Baier]

Does anyone have an accurate summary in normal speak that can still be precise 
without using legal language? 



== 
Randal Baier 
Eastern Michigan University 
Ypsilanti, Michigan 48197 
(734) 487-2520 
rba...@emich.edu 
tweets @rbaier – skypes @ randalbaier 
“... do not all strange sounds thrill us as human 
till we have learned to refer them to their proper 
source?” -Thoreau, mss., Journal 9: 1854-1855 


- Original Message -

From: "Sarah E. McCleskey"  
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:46:43 AM 
Subject: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions 



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Re: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions

[Sarah E. McCleskey]

I don’t see anything yet. Brandon Butler is tweeting the basics

https://twitter.com/bc_butler

For Colleges/Universities, adds Blu-Ray as a format, some MOOC content included 
(subject to TEACH act limits and TPM)

Sarah

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Randal Baier
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 1:09 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions

Does anyone have an accurate summary in normal speak that can still be precise 
without using legal language?

==
Randal Baier
Eastern Michigan University
Ypsilanti, Michigan 48197
(734) 487-2520
rba...@emich.edu
tweets @rbaier – skypes @ randalbaier
“... do not all strange sounds thrill us as human
till we have learned to refer them to their proper
source?” -Thoreau, mss., Journal 9: 1854-1855



From: "Sarah E. McCleskey" 
>
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:46:43 AM
Subject: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2015-27212.pdf
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Re: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions

[Dennis Doros]

Michael,

You have it right. I believe there have been some situations where it's not
the use of the film that's been focused upon in cases, but the breaking of
the encryption. (Like that garage opener case that I mentioned a few weeks
ago.) But I'm assuming fair use is still a factor for both sides.

What does this mean about previous classroom exemptions, however? I'm also
assuming they are still in effect but this seems to be adding some
non-traditional educational use like museums? Again, unless the copyright
laws are directly changed, I doubt it. Yet, this is ambiguous and can be
taken out of context.



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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Brewer, Michael M - (brewerm) <
brew...@email.arizona.edu> wrote:

> I mostly agree with Jessica. However, I have questions about what 1201
> allows and doesn’t allow in these cases. It seems to me that the 1201
> exemptions and fair use (or other exceptions) are different things and are
> supposed to be considered separately. Couldn’t one potentially legally
> circumvent encryption, but still violate the law, depending on the actual
> “fairness” of the actual use.? If anyone out there knows the answer to
> this, I’d be interested in hearing it.
>
>
>
> For example, could I circumvent encryption for a particular use (a
> noncommercial documentary, my dissertation on film, etc.), but in using the
> “heart of a work” still be able to be sued for copyright infringement, or
> does my adherence to the 1201 rule keep me safe?
>
>
>
> mb
>
>
>
> Michael Brewer | Librarian | Head, Research & Learning |
> brew...@email.arizona.edu
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 12:03 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions
>
>
>
> My very quick take is that it expands both formats ( blu ray , streaming
> now included) and users who can break encryption use portions ( clips) of
> AV works. Not sure I see a big effect on university stuff as I don't really
> know if folks felt constrained about using clips in any class/stream though
> I guess profs will like blu ray option.  The biggest change I see is only
> tangential  to academic use but it seems to basically eliminate the need to
> ever license a clip for documentary or fiction av work.
>
> The  important thing from my evil perspective of working with filmmakers
> and distributors is that they rejected the request for any exemptions
> allowing educational ( or any) user to go beyond using "limited portions"
> of works.
>
> I am sure others will find much more
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Randal Baier  wrote:
>
> Does anyone have an accurate summary in normal speak that can still be
> precise without using legal language?
>
>
>
> ==
> Randal Baier
> Eastern Michigan University
> Ypsilanti, Michigan 48197
> (734) 487-2520
> rba...@emich.edu
> tweets @rbaier – skypes @ randalbaier
> “... do not all strange sounds thrill us as human
> till we have learned to refer them to their proper
> source?” -Thoreau, mss., Journal 9: 1854-1855
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Sarah E. McCleskey" 
> *To: *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:46:43 AM
> *Subject: *[Videolib] New 1201 exemptions
>
>
>
> https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2015-27212.pdf
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
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> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between 

Re: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions

[Jessica Rosner]

My very quick take is that it expands both formats ( blu ray , streaming
now included) and users who can break encryption use portions ( clips) of
AV works. Not sure I see a big effect on university stuff as I don't really
know if folks felt constrained about using clips in any class/stream though
I guess profs will like blu ray option.  The biggest change I see is only
tangential  to academic use but it seems to basically eliminate the need to
ever license a clip for documentary or fiction av work.

The  important thing from my evil perspective of working with filmmakers
and distributors is that they rejected the request for any exemptions
allowing educational ( or any) user to go beyond using "limited portions"
of works.

I am sure others will find much more

Jessica

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Randal Baier  wrote:

> Does anyone have an accurate summary in normal speak that can still be
> precise without using legal language?
>
>
> ==
> Randal Baier
> Eastern Michigan University
> Ypsilanti, Michigan 48197
> (734) 487-2520
> rba...@emich.edu
> tweets @rbaier – skypes @ randalbaier
> “... do not all strange sounds thrill us as human
> till we have learned to refer them to their proper
> source?” -Thoreau, mss., Journal 9: 1854-1855
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Sarah E. McCleskey" 
> *To: *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:46:43 AM
> *Subject: *[Videolib] New 1201 exemptions
>
>
>
> https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2015-27212.pdf
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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distributors.

Re: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions

[Brewer, Michael M - (brewerm)]

I mostly agree with Jessica. However, I have questions about what 1201 allows 
and doesn’t allow in these cases. It seems to me that the 1201 exemptions and 
fair use (or other exceptions) are different things and are supposed to be 
considered separately. Couldn’t one potentially legally circumvent encryption, 
but still violate the law, depending on the actual “fairness” of the actual 
use.? If anyone out there knows the answer to this, I’d be interested in 
hearing it.

For example, could I circumvent encryption for a particular use (a 
noncommercial documentary, my dissertation on film, etc.), but in using the 
“heart of a work” still be able to be sued for copyright infringement, or does 
my adherence to the 1201 rule keep me safe?

mb

Michael Brewer | Librarian | Head, Research & Learning | 
brew...@email.arizona.edu

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 12:03 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions

My very quick take is that it expands both formats ( blu ray , streaming now 
included) and users who can break encryption use portions ( clips) of AV works. 
Not sure I see a big effect on university stuff as I don't really know if folks 
felt constrained about using clips in any class/stream though I guess profs 
will like blu ray option.  The biggest change I see is only tangential  to 
academic use but it seems to basically eliminate the need to ever license a 
clip for documentary or fiction av work.
The  important thing from my evil perspective of working with filmmakers and 
distributors is that they rejected the request for any exemptions allowing 
educational ( or any) user to go beyond using "limited portions" of works.
I am sure others will find much more
Jessica

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Randal Baier 
> wrote:
Does anyone have an accurate summary in normal speak that can still be precise 
without using legal language?

==
Randal Baier
Eastern Michigan University
Ypsilanti, Michigan 48197
(734) 487-2520
rba...@emich.edu
tweets @rbaier – skypes @ randalbaier
“... do not all strange sounds thrill us as human
till we have learned to refer them to their proper
source?” -Thoreau, mss., Journal 9: 1854-1855


From: "Sarah E. McCleskey" 
>
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:46:43 AM
Subject: [Videolib] New 1201 exemptions

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2015-27212.pdf

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Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

[Jessica Rosner]

FYI I looked at the site and it is an odd mix of the legal and the totally
illegal. They also have multiple links to even MORE illegal company called
Sasquatch Video.
This one is my favorite

http://www.sasquatchvideo.net/product/essential-classic-romances-dvd-2007-4-disc-set

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Hooper, Lisa K  wrote:

> Greetings everyone,
>
>
>
> I’m wondering if anyone has worked with Red Dog Video. They claim to be
> able to sell Song of the South
> 
> which is still locked up in the Disney vault. Needless to say I’m quite
> suspicious about them but their “About us” page is everything *except*
> for information about the company. Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -lisa H.
>
>
>
> Music & Media Librarian
>
> Howard-Tilton Memorial Library
>
> Tulane University
>
> 504.314.7822
>
> @lkHMusLibrarian
>
> www.facebook.com/TulaneMusicAndMediaCenter
>
> http://www.library.tulane.edu/libraries/mmc
>
> http://bamboulanola.tumblr.com/
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
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> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
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Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

[Jessica Rosner]

OOPS wrong link on the second one. Sorry. Forget Sasquatch. Red Dog though
is filled with bootlegs though they have some legal titles

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Jessica Rosner 
wrote:

> FYI I looked at the site and it is an odd mix of the legal and the totally
> illegal. They also have multiple links to even MORE illegal company called
> Sasquatch Video.
> This one is my favorite
>
>
> http://www.sasquatchvideo.net/product/essential-classic-romances-dvd-2007-4-disc-set
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Hooper, Lisa K 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m wondering if anyone has worked with Red Dog Video. They claim to be
>> able to sell Song of the South
>> 
>> which is still locked up in the Disney vault. Needless to say I’m quite
>> suspicious about them but their “About us” page is everything *except*
>> for information about the company. Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -lisa H.
>>
>>
>>
>> Music & Media Librarian
>>
>> Howard-Tilton Memorial Library
>>
>> Tulane University
>>
>> 504.314.7822
>>
>> @lkHMusLibrarian
>>
>> www.facebook.com/TulaneMusicAndMediaCenter
>>
>> http://www.library.tulane.edu/libraries/mmc
>>
>> http://bamboulanola.tumblr.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

[Hooper, Lisa K]

Thanks for the responses. Suspicions confirmed.

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Hooper, Lisa K
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 5:11 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

Greetings everyone,

I'm wondering if anyone has worked with Red Dog Video. They claim to be able to 
sell Song of the 
South
 which is still locked up in the Disney vault. Needless to say I'm quite 
suspicious about them but their "About us" page is everything except for 
information about the company. Thoughts?

Thanks!
-lisa H.

Music & Media Librarian
Howard-Tilton Memorial Library
Tulane University
504.314.7822
@lkHMusLibrarian
www.facebook.com/TulaneMusicAndMediaCenter
http://www.library.tulane.edu/libraries/mmc
http://bamboulanola.tumblr.com/

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

[Phillips, Michael S]

Hello Jessica,

The Turner Classic Movies website has additional information about the film.  
The third paragraph from the bottom mentions re-releases and video releases.

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/90871/Song-of-the-South/notes.html

Michael Phillips
Acquisitions Monographs

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 5:35 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

Translation we have the highest quality illegal copy


and  yes I always start with legal copies from Pakistan & Taiwan.

I am pretty sure that there was never a legal DVD of SONG just the PAL VHS in 
the UK and Japanese laser disc.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Phillips, Michael S 
> wrote:
Hello Lisa,

The web page for Red Dog Video’s Song of the South Product Description is here: 
http://www.reddogvideo.net/song-of-the-south-dvd.html.  Here is part of the 
description, with some interesting parts highlighted:

“As you may know, SONG OF THE SOUTH was never manufactured on DVD in the United 
States. Because of the demand, several countries have put this film on the 
market - Taiwan, Pakistan, Japan and the UK to name a few. We have personally 
checked out all the versions we could find and now sell what we feel is the 
best version available as far as picture and audio quality. Other versions you 
find on the internet are not playable on US DVD players. (Many sites sell the 
Taiwan version which, in our opinion, is the worst available. It does play on 
US and Canadian DVD players. But the picture quality is terrible, and there is 
a watermark in the upper right corner throughout the film. The UK version is 
okay as far as quality is concerned. A few other websites sell this version. 
But Region 2 PAL versions won't play on most US DVD players. What we sell is 
formatted for US and Canadian DVD players)

Then of course there are the sites selling bootleg copies - that is to say, 
copies made in the basement on a computer. We've checked these out too and what 
we've received are plain DVD-Rs (no case, no cover art, just the name of the 
movie scrawled in magic marker on the face of the DVD). You can purchase from 
these sites if you want, but expect problems. Bad picture, bad audio, skipping. 
And good luck trying to get your money back from the seller of these bootleg 
DVDs. They simply take your money and run.”

I do not believe that their definition of ‘bootleg’ is the standard legal 
definition.

Michael S. Phillips
Library Associate I
Monographic Acquisitions Division
Texas A University
acqmo...@library.tamu.edu
5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-5000
Tel. 979.845.1343 ext. 151 | Fax. 
979.845.5310
http://library.tamu.edu



From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu]
 On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 5:16 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

ZERO chance it is legal. There was a legal release in the UK on PAL VHS back in 
the day and one in Japan on laser Disc. Those are the only legal copies. 
Needless to say there are a ton of pirate companies out there and have seen
SONG OF THE SOUTH out there but this is black and white , the copies are not 
legal.

Jessica

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Hooper, Lisa K 
> wrote:
Greetings everyone,

I’m wondering if anyone has worked with Red Dog Video. They claim to be able to 
sell Song of the 
South
 which is still locked up in the Disney vault. Needless to say I’m quite 
suspicious about them but their “About us” page is everything except for 
information about the company. Thoughts?

Thanks!
-lisa H.

Music & Media Librarian
Howard-Tilton Memorial Library
Tulane University
504.314.7822
@lkHMusLibrarian
www.facebook.com/TulaneMusicAndMediaCenter
http://www.library.tulane.edu/libraries/mmc
http://bamboulanola.tumblr.com/


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, 

Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

[Jessica Rosner]

ZERO chance it is legal. There was a legal release in the UK on PAL VHS
back in the day and one in Japan on laser Disc. Those are the only legal
copies. Needless to say there are a ton of pirate companies out there and
have seen
SONG OF THE SOUTH out there but this is black and white , the copies are
not legal.

Jessica

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Hooper, Lisa K  wrote:

> Greetings everyone,
>
>
>
> I’m wondering if anyone has worked with Red Dog Video. They claim to be
> able to sell Song of the South
> 
> which is still locked up in the Disney vault. Needless to say I’m quite
> suspicious about them but their “About us” page is everything *except*
> for information about the company. Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -lisa H.
>
>
>
> Music & Media Librarian
>
> Howard-Tilton Memorial Library
>
> Tulane University
>
> 504.314.7822
>
> @lkHMusLibrarian
>
> www.facebook.com/TulaneMusicAndMediaCenter
>
> http://www.library.tulane.edu/libraries/mmc
>
> http://bamboulanola.tumblr.com/
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

[Jessica Rosner]

Translation we have the highest quality illegal copy


and  yes I always start with legal copies from Pakistan & Taiwan.

I am pretty sure that there was never a legal DVD of SONG just the PAL VHS
in the UK and Japanese laser disc.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Phillips, Michael S <
mphil...@library.tamu.edu> wrote:

> Hello Lisa,
>
>
>
> The web page for Red Dog Video’s Song of the South Product Description is
> here: http://www.reddogvideo.net/song-of-the-south-dvd.html.  Here is
> part of the description, with some interesting parts highlighted:
>
>
>
> “As you may know, SONG OF THE SOUTH was never manufactured on DVD in the
> United States. Because of the demand, several countries have put this film
> on the market - Taiwan, Pakistan, Japan and the UK to name a few. We have
> personally checked out all the versions we could find and now sell what we
> feel is the best version available as far as picture and audio quality.
> Other versions you find on the internet are not playable on US DVD players.
> (Many sites sell the Taiwan version which, in our opinion, is the worst
> available. It does play on US and Canadian DVD players. But the picture
> quality is terrible, and there is a watermark in the upper right corner
> throughout the film. The UK version is okay as far as quality is concerned.
> A few other websites sell this version. But Region 2 PAL versions won't
> play on most US DVD players. What we sell is formatted for US and Canadian
> DVD players)
>
>
>
> Then of course there are the sites selling bootleg copies - that is to
> say, copies made in the basement on a computer. We've checked these out
> too and what we've received are plain DVD-Rs (no case, no cover art, just
> the name of the movie scrawled in magic marker on the face of the DVD). You
> can purchase from these sites if you want, but expect problems. Bad
> picture, bad audio, skipping. And good luck trying to get your money back
> from the seller of these bootleg DVDs. They simply take your money and run.”
>
>
>
> I do not believe that their definition of ‘bootleg’ is the standard legal
> definition.
>
>
>
> Michael S. Phillips
>
> Library Associate I
>
> Monographic Acquisitions Division
>
> Texas A University
>
> acqmo...@library.tamu.edu
>
> 5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-5000
>
> Tel. 979.845.1343 ext. 151 | Fax. 979.845.5310
>
> http://library.tamu.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 5:16 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?
>
>
>
> ZERO chance it is legal. There was a legal release in the UK on PAL VHS
> back in the day and one in Japan on laser Disc. Those are the only legal
> copies. Needless to say there are a ton of pirate companies out there and
> have seen
>
> SONG OF THE SOUTH out there but this is black and white , the copies are
> not legal.
>
>
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Hooper, Lisa K 
> wrote:
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
>
>
> I’m wondering if anyone has worked with Red Dog Video. They claim to be
> able to sell Song of the South
> 
> which is still locked up in the Disney vault. Needless to say I’m quite
> suspicious about them but their “About us” page is everything *except*
> for information about the company. Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -lisa H.
>
>
>
> Music & Media Librarian
>
> Howard-Tilton Memorial Library
>
> Tulane University
>
> 504.314.7822
>
> @lkHMusLibrarian
>
> www.facebook.com/TulaneMusicAndMediaCenter
>
> http://www.library.tulane.edu/libraries/mmc
>
> http://bamboulanola.tumblr.com/
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
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related 

Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

[Jessica Rosner]

Thanks that seems to jive with my memory. However no mention of the DVD
release in Pakistan I can't imagine why.

Every few years there are rumblings Disney might actually let it out but
nothing ever comes of it.

I would say the 2nd most requested never released and in this case nowhere
in any format (legally) is PORGY AND BESS the Preminger film . Over the
years many never released titles have trickled out. Some titles still have
rights problems like SUPERSTAR or LETTY LYNTON . However the overwhelming
majority of films that were unavailable 10 or 15 years ago have been
released.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Phillips, Michael S <
mphil...@library.tamu.edu> wrote:

> Hello Jessica,
>
>
>
> The Turner Classic Movies website has additional information about the
> film.  The third paragraph from the bottom mentions re-releases and video
> releases.
>
>
>
> http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/90871/Song-of-the-South/notes.html
>
>
>
> Michael Phillips
>
> Acquisitions Monographs
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 5:35 PM
>
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?
>
>
>
> Translation we have the highest quality illegal copy
>
>
>
>
>
> and  yes I always start with legal copies from Pakistan & Taiwan.
>
>
>
> I am pretty sure that there was never a legal DVD of SONG just the PAL VHS
> in the UK and Japanese laser disc.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Phillips, Michael S <
> mphil...@library.tamu.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello Lisa,
>
>
>
> The web page for Red Dog Video’s Song of the South Product Description is
> here: http://www.reddogvideo.net/song-of-the-south-dvd.html.  Here is
> part of the description, with some interesting parts highlighted:
>
>
>
> “As you may know, SONG OF THE SOUTH was never manufactured on DVD in the
> United States. Because of the demand, several countries have put this film
> on the market - Taiwan, Pakistan, Japan and the UK to name a few. We have
> personally checked out all the versions we could find and now sell what we
> feel is the best version available as far as picture and audio quality.
> Other versions you find on the internet are not playable on US DVD players.
> (Many sites sell the Taiwan version which, in our opinion, is the worst
> available. It does play on US and Canadian DVD players. But the picture
> quality is terrible, and there is a watermark in the upper right corner
> throughout the film. The UK version is okay as far as quality is concerned.
> A few other websites sell this version. But Region 2 PAL versions won't
> play on most US DVD players. What we sell is formatted for US and Canadian
> DVD players)
>
>
>
> Then of course there are the sites selling bootleg copies - that is to
> say, copies made in the basement on a computer. We've checked these out
> too and what we've received are plain DVD-Rs (no case, no cover art, just
> the name of the movie scrawled in magic marker on the face of the DVD). You
> can purchase from these sites if you want, but expect problems. Bad
> picture, bad audio, skipping. And good luck trying to get your money back
> from the seller of these bootleg DVDs. They simply take your money and run.”
>
>
>
> I do not believe that their definition of ‘bootleg’ is the standard legal
> definition.
>
>
>
> Michael S. Phillips
>
> Library Associate I
>
> Monographic Acquisitions Division
>
> Texas A University
>
> acqmo...@library.tamu.edu
>
> 5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-5000
>
> Tel. 979.845.1343 ext. 151 | Fax. 979.845.5310
>
> http://library.tamu.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 5:16 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?
>
>
>
> ZERO chance it is legal. There was a legal release in the UK on PAL VHS
> back in the day and one in Japan on laser Disc. Those are the only legal
> copies. Needless to say there are a ton of pirate companies out there and
> have seen
>
> SONG OF THE SOUTH out there but this is black and white , the copies are
> not legal.
>
>
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Hooper, Lisa K 
> wrote:
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
>
>
> I’m wondering if anyone has worked with Red Dog Video. They claim to be
> able to sell Song of the South
> 
> which is still locked up in the Disney vault. Needless to say I’m quite
> suspicious about them but their “About us” page is everything *except*
> for information about the company. Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -lisa H.
>
>
>
> Music & Media Librarian
>
> Howard-Tilton Memorial Library
>
> Tulane University
>
> 504.314.7822
>
> @lkHMusLibrarian
>
> 

[Videolib] nomination of documentary films for Notable Videos for Adults Committee of ALA VRT

[Highby, Wendy]

Librarians,

Have you seen a documentary film or educational video (released within the past 
two years) that deserves attention?  If so, please take a moment to nominate 
the video for inclusion in the roster of films that will be juried by the 
Notable Videos for Adults Committee of the Video Round Table.  At the January 
2016 Midwinter Conference of the American Library Association, the members of 
the Committee will meet, discuss the merits of those titles nominated, and then 
select fifteen films for inclusion on the final list of outstanding titles.  
This list helps librarians serving adults identify and select the best 
offerings in the video marketplace.

Librarians may nominate films by reading the criteria and filling out the form 
at the following URL:  http://www.ala.org/vrt/notablevideos/form.  You must 
have viewed the program in its entirety before submitting your nomination form. 
 At a minimum, please include the title of the production and distributor, as 
well as your contact information.  The criteria for selection is explained 
here:  http://www.ala.org/vrt/notablevideos/notablevideoscriteria.  The 
foregoing page also describes all five categories of videos eligible for 
inclusion:  animation, documentary/educational, personal essay, performance and 
video art, and how-to or instructional videos.

Thank you in advance for your participation.

Best,

Wendy Highby
Chair, Notable Videos for Adults Committee
Social Sciences Reference Librarian
James A. Michener Library
University of Northern Colorado
501 20th St., Campus Box 48
Greeley, CO  80639
970-351-1530
wendy.hig...@unco.edu

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Re: [Videolib] Thoughts on Red Dog Video?

[Randal Baier]

Red Dog in morning, sailors take warning 

Red Dog at night, sailors get the hell out of there! 


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[Videolib] New 1201 exemptions

[Sarah E. McCleskey]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2015-27212.pdf


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