Re: [Videolib] Native Son

[Dennis Doros]

Terry,

First, I really don't holler. It's not my style.

I'm not pointing out that you are breaking the law by watching a Bowie
video. Just the fact that there's a *vast* amount of illegal videos out
there and they have become a fact of life. When we want to watch a scene
from a movie, we don't go to Amazon. We go to YouTube. We don't even think
of it being illegal when we click on our friend's Facebook link to watch
something cool. I certainly don't when I want to reminisce about Ziggy
Stardust. (Though what I loved best was Bowie's HBO interview and how it
turned to racial issues.)

It is less true these days to think that media corporations have the power
in this country in terms of lobbying. The idea that Disney has power is
really old-fashioned (and wrong to begin with -- it was the music companies
who extended the copyright). The internet moguls (Google/YouTube, Facebook,
etc) have *far* more lobbying power and influence now (that includes
politicians and the public) and they are not about copyright restrictions.
Only patent infringements. The LoC Copyright Office is much more about
access than they were twenty years ago. They have also tightened up on what
can be copyrighted on a case by case basis.

Can anyone name me the recent laws and court rulings that have adversely
affected how a media librarian works on a day to day basis? (Or, how many
have benefited by 108, the use of clips, etc.) And when's the last time
someone got a cease and desist from one of the studios/corporations? I'm
not being facetious or meaning this in a bad way. I'd actually be
interested to hear from all of you on this.

I do agree with Jo Ann that producers/directors/distributors who try to
confuse license agreements with copyright laws and claiming rights they
don't have are wrong to do so though I don't see the "real" distributors
doing this. The same thing that goes with librarians -- the large majority
of us in both fields are trying to do the right thing.



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On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Jessica Rosner 
wrote:

> I think this is true for the massive pirating culture but I think the
> situation for libraries is about to change radically which despite
> everything I think is very scary. As both institutions and distributor
> shift to digital access most of these discussions will if you will excuse
> the phrase become academic.
> Right of First Sale, Inter library loan even elements of "fair use"  will
> largely evaporate. Streaming even in cases where physical copies are
> involved is basically controlled by contract agreements which can and I
> suspect will increasingly add restrictions that  supersede all of the above.
>
> With the recent rulings in Google books GSU and most especially the
> library of Congress DMCA update in December it is in fact clear that
> educational institutions can not stream an entire  film of any significant
> length  without a license so they will be at the mercy of right holders and
> distributors for access.
>
> I don't think DVD/ Blu-ray will by any means disappear but streaming is
> becoming the desired format and it does in fact  shift control to rights
> holders.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Dennis Doros 
> wrote:
>
>> I happen to agree with Terry and deg except for this:
>>
>> "Copyright law has shifted far far to the side of protections for
>> content creators."
>>
>> That's just not true and Jo Ann, this would also be an example of
>> misinformation. Access has never been cheaper (anyone remember $2000 for a
>> 16mm *lease*?) because of the Sony decision, easier to acquire and
>> project, and frankly, so much of it is online for free illegally (and here
>> I agree with Jessica -- being used by some educators) that you may *say*
>> that the laws and court decisions have been in favor of the content
>> creators, but in practice, the copyright holders have never had less power
>> than we do now. Twenty years ago, film clips in documentaries were
>> practically never based on fair use. Thanks to Mark Rappaport and Thom
>> Andersen among others, it's widely accepted now.
>>
>> Here's a test. How many of you have watched a David Bowie video this week
>> that wasn't put up by the copyright owner? (Me too.)
>>
>> Every time I take an illegal upload of one of Milestone's copyrighted
>> films down from YouTube, there have already been thousands of viewers and
>> ten more copies pop up in its place. Same for other sites as well including
>> Vimeo and yes, even Archive.org. And let's face it, most of the copyright
>> laws after the Sonny Bono act in 1998 have b

Re: [Videolib] Native Son

[Jessica Rosner]

I think this is true for the massive pirating culture but I think the
situation for libraries is about to change radically which despite
everything I think is very scary. As both institutions and distributor
shift to digital access most of these discussions will if you will excuse
the phrase become academic.
Right of First Sale, Inter library loan even elements of "fair use"  will
largely evaporate. Streaming even in cases where physical copies are
involved is basically controlled by contract agreements which can and I
suspect will increasingly add restrictions that  supersede all of the above.

With the recent rulings in Google books GSU and most especially the library
of Congress DMCA update in December it is in fact clear that educational
institutions can not stream an entire  film of any significant length
without a license so they will be at the mercy of right holders and
distributors for access.

I don't think DVD/ Blu-ray will by any means disappear but streaming is
becoming the desired format and it does in fact  shift control to rights
holders.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Dennis Doros  wrote:

> I happen to agree with Terry and deg except for this:
>
> "Copyright law has shifted far far to the side of protections for content
> creators."
>
> That's just not true and Jo Ann, this would also be an example of
> misinformation. Access has never been cheaper (anyone remember $2000 for a
> 16mm *lease*?) because of the Sony decision, easier to acquire and
> project, and frankly, so much of it is online for free illegally (and here
> I agree with Jessica -- being used by some educators) that you may *say*
> that the laws and court decisions have been in favor of the content
> creators, but in practice, the copyright holders have never had less power
> than we do now. Twenty years ago, film clips in documentaries were
> practically never based on fair use. Thanks to Mark Rappaport and Thom
> Andersen among others, it's widely accepted now.
>
> Here's a test. How many of you have watched a David Bowie video this week
> that wasn't put up by the copyright owner? (Me too.)
>
> Every time I take an illegal upload of one of Milestone's copyrighted
> films down from YouTube, there have already been thousands of viewers and
> ten more copies pop up in its place. Same for other sites as well including
> Vimeo and yes, even Archive.org. And let's face it, most of the copyright
> laws after the Sonny Bono act in 1998 have been in favor of education.
>
> My true belief is that the lack of funding for media in education by the
> government and by your institutions has made the content owners the
> scapegoat. There! I said it. ;-)
>
>
> Best regards,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video
> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
>
>
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> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Simpkins, Terry W. <
> tsimp...@middlebury.edu> wrote:
>
>> Greetings, everyone
>> I second this interpretation by Deg.  There is nothing in 108 that
>> specifies a film must "already be in the collection" (if that were the
>> case, then already in the collection since... when?).  There is so much
>> misinformation about this stuff, especially, at times, from certain
>> quarters on this list, that it is important to look at what the law
>> actually says.  108 says nothing about libraries having to hold copies of
>> an obsolete format for some specified period of time before invoking 108,
>> nor does it say the library had to have purchased the item now considered
>> obsolete in new condition.  I don't even think this is a particularly
>> unusual situation.
>>
>> If anyone can point out the actual text of the law, or a court case that
>> established this as an interpretation, that says otherwise, it would be
>> news to me and I'd be grateful to learn about it.
>>
>> I'm all for telling faculty when something can't be done, but not for
>> erecting imaginary and unnecessary barriers to their work.  Copyright law
>> has shifted far far to the side of protections for content creators.  Let's
>> not make our lives as librarians and educators even more difficult through
>> timidity, as Deg rightly says, or self-imposed restrictions with no basis
>> in law.
>>
>> Terry Simpkins
>> Director, Discovery & Access Services
>> Middlebury College
>> Middlebury VT 05653
>> 892-443-5045
>>
>> > On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Deg Farrelly  wrote:
>> >
>> > I wholeheartedly disagree.
>> >
>> > There are 2 issues here:  obtaining a video to meet a faculty member's
>> need and applying section 108 to make a copy of that video.
>> >
>> > After diligently looking, it's been determined that the only sources
>> for this video are

Re: [Videolib] Native Son

[Simpkins, Terry W.]

Dennis,
Just because “people” are breaking laws doesn’t mean the laws don’t exist and 
are not heavily weighted for content creators.  Your “test” is disingenuous, 
and no test at all.  Watching a video, even one put up illegally, is not, 
AFAIK, a crime.  Rephrase your question: how many of us in this community 
converted and posted David Bowie clips without permission?  That, at least, 
would actually be breaking the law.

In fact, I believe part of the reason people are so willing these days to break 
the laws is because they see exactly how skewed they have become to the 
creators.  How long does it take for something to enter public domain today, 
compared to 25, 50, etc., years ago?  How much influence do corporate content 
creators have when it comes to lobbying for legislation vs. the general user, 
or even vs. the educational community?   Where is reasonable legislation to 
deal with orphan works (and no, last year’s report on that issue does NOT lay 
out a reasonable solution)?

Yes, there are streaming options, etc., out there that there weren’t in years 
past, and yes, technology has made it easy to break the law, and you and 
Jessica can holler all you want about us cowboy-renegade librarian types 
breaking the law.  Some do, surely, but most of us try to scrupulously adhere 
to a reasonable interpretation of the law, supported by court cases and 
opinions from folks like Kevin Smith and the Center for Social Media, to make 
quick decisions every day in a fluid and demanding environment.  We have the 
reputations, and liability, of our institutions to consider, and I, along with 
most of the people in this area I have ever met, take that responsibility very 
seriously.  I don’t particularly like being accused of duplicity in my work.

The fact is, when we are talking about the community of librarians and 
educators like those on this list, we are not generally talking about 
willy-nilly scofflaws.  I sympathize with  you as a small, independent 
distributor.  I do.  But most of us on this list DO try very hard to adhere to 
the laws, despite their obvious problems and biases, and when they are a) yes, 
so skewed to favor creators and b) skewed further by nonsense like “you can’t 
just by a used VHS to make a preservation copy,” well, let’s say my sympathies 
have limits.

Terry

Terry Simpkins
Director, Discovery & Access Services
Library & Information Services
Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT 05753
(802) 443-5045
tsimp...@middlebury.edu<mailto:tsimp...@middlebury.edu>


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:18 AM
To: Video Library questions
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Native Son

I happen to agree with Terry and deg except for this:

"Copyright law has shifted far far to the side of protections for content 
creators."

That's just not true and Jo Ann, this would also be an example of 
misinformation. Access has never been cheaper (anyone remember $2000 for a 16mm 
lease?) because of the Sony decision, easier to acquire and project, and 
frankly, so much of it is online for free illegally (and here I agree with 
Jessica -- being used by some educators) that you may say that the laws and 
court decisions have been in favor of the content creators, but in practice, 
the copyright holders have never had less power than we do now. Twenty years 
ago, film clips in documentaries were practically never based on fair use. 
Thanks to Mark Rappaport and Thom Andersen among others, it's widely accepted 
now.

Here's a test. How many of you have watched a David Bowie video this week that 
wasn't put up by the copyright owner? (Me too.)

Every time I take an illegal upload of one of Milestone's copyrighted films 
down from YouTube, there have already been thousands of viewers and ten more 
copies pop up in its place. Same for other sites as well including Vimeo and 
yes, even Archive.org. And let's face it, most of the copyright laws after the 
Sonny Bono act in 1998 have been in favor of education.

My true belief is that the lack of funding for media in education by the 
government and by your institutions has made the content owners the scapegoat. 
There! I said it. ;-)


Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: 
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Simpkins, Terry W. 
mailto:tsimp...@middlebury.edu>> wrote:
Greetings, everyone
I second this interpretation by Deg.  There is nothing in 108 that specif

Re: [Videolib] Native Son

[Reynolds, Jo Ann]

Points well taken, Dennis.

It is true that copyright law is becoming more, not sure what the correct 
description would be, contentious?, visible?, but as ill understood as ever.

My agreement was with the Section 108 issues and the misinformation that swirls 
around Section 108 (but also extends to the sale, or rather, “lease” of DVDs 
wherein content owners attempt to control their content with a lease rather 
than a sale and often promulgate misinformation about classroom use. Many times 
I have been told I must pay for classroom use as a public performance.

Best,
Jo Ann

Jo Ann Reynolds
Reserve Services Coordinator
Homer Babbidge Library
University of Connecticut
369 Fairfield Road, Unit 1005R
Storrs, CT  06269-1005
860-486-1406



From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:18 AM
To: Video Library questions 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Native Son

I happen to agree with Terry and deg except for this:

"Copyright law has shifted far far to the side of protections for content 
creators."

That's just not true and Jo Ann, this would also be an example of 
misinformation. Access has never been cheaper (anyone remember $2000 for a 16mm 
lease?) because of the Sony decision, easier to acquire and project, and 
frankly, so much of it is online for free illegally (and here I agree with 
Jessica -- being used by some educators) that you may say that the laws and 
court decisions have been in favor of the content creators, but in practice, 
the copyright holders have never had less power than we do now. Twenty years 
ago, film clips in documentaries were practically never based on fair use. 
Thanks to Mark Rappaport and Thom Andersen among others, it's widely accepted 
now.

Here's a test. How many of you have watched a David Bowie video this week that 
wasn't put up by the copyright owner? (Me too.)

Every time I take an illegal upload of one of Milestone's copyrighted films 
down from YouTube, there have already been thousands of viewers and ten more 
copies pop up in its place. Same for other sites as well including Vimeo and 
yes, even Archive.org. And let's face it, most of the copyright laws after the 
Sonny Bono act in 1998 have been in favor of education.

My true belief is that the lack of funding for media in education by the 
government and by your institutions has made the content owners the scapegoat. 
There! I said it. ;-)


Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: 
milefi...@gmail.com<mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Simpkins, Terry W. 
mailto:tsimp...@middlebury.edu>> wrote:
Greetings, everyone
I second this interpretation by Deg.  There is nothing in 108 that specifies a 
film must "already be in the collection" (if that were the case, then already 
in the collection since... when?).  There is so much misinformation about this 
stuff, especially, at times, from certain quarters on this list, that it is 
important to look at what the law actually says.  108 says nothing about 
libraries having to hold copies of an obsolete format for some specified period 
of time before invoking 108, nor does it say the library had to have purchased 
the item now considered obsolete in new condition.  I don't even think this is 
a particularly unusual situation.

If anyone can point out the actual text of the law, or a court case that 
established this as an interpretation, that says otherwise, it would be news to 
me and I'd be grateful to learn about it.

I'm all for telling faculty when something can't be done, but not for erecting 
imaginary and unnecessary barriers to their work.  Copyright law has shifted 
far far to the side of protections for content creators.  Let's not make our 
lives as librarians and educators even more difficult through timidity, as Deg 
rightly says, or self-imposed restrictions with no basis in law.

Terry Simpkins
Director, Discovery & Access Services
Middlebury College
Middlebury VT 05653
892-443-5045

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Deg Farrelly 
> mailto:deg.farre...@asu.edu>> wrote:
>
> I wholeheartedly disagree.
>
> There are 2 issues here:  obtaining a video to meet a faculty member's need 
> and applying section 108 to make a copy of that video.
>
> After diligently looking, it's been determined that the only sources for this 
> video are used VHS.
>
> If the library purchases a video for its collection, even if it is

Re: [Videolib] Native Son

[Brewer, Michael M - (brewerm)]

Me Too! 

Michael Brewer | Librarian | Head, Research & Learning | 
brew...@email.arizona.edu


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[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Jo Ann
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:07 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Native Son

I third this interpretation by Deg and Terry. 

It is important to read the law for yourself because sometimes there is 
misinformation on this list and with content providers.

Jo Ann

Jo Ann Reynolds
Reserve Services Coordinator
Homer Babbidge Library
University of Connecticut
369 Fairfield Road, Unit 1005R
Storrs, CT  06269-1005
860-486-1406




-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Simpkins, Terry W.
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:15 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Native Son

Greetings, everyone
I second this interpretation by Deg.  There is nothing in 108 that specifies a 
film must "already be in the collection" (if that were the case, then already 
in the collection since... when?).  There is so much misinformation about this 
stuff, especially, at times, from certain quarters on this list, that it is 
important to look at what the law actually says.  108 says nothing about 
libraries having to hold copies of an obsolete format for some specified period 
of time before invoking 108, nor does it say the library had to have purchased 
the item now considered obsolete in new condition.  I don't even think this is 
a particularly unusual situation.

If anyone can point out the actual text of the law, or a court case that 
established this as an interpretation, that says otherwise, it would be news to 
me and I'd be grateful to learn about it.

I'm all for telling faculty when something can't be done, but not for erecting 
imaginary and unnecessary barriers to their work.  Copyright law has shifted 
far far to the side of protections for content creators.  Let's not make our 
lives as librarians and educators even more difficult through timidity, as Deg 
rightly says, or self-imposed restrictions with no basis in law.

Terry Simpkins
Director, Discovery & Access Services
Middlebury College
Middlebury VT 05653
892-443-5045

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Deg Farrelly  wrote:
> 
> I wholeheartedly disagree.
> 
> There are 2 issues here:  obtaining a video to meet a faculty member's need 
> and applying section 108 to make a copy of that video.
> 
> After diligently looking, it's been determined that the only sources for this 
> video are used VHS.
> 
> If the library purchases a video for its collection, even if it is used, it 
> is a legally acquired copy.  Most of us, I'd wager, have done that at some 
> point
> 
> The law provides for the legal duplication of a legally acquired copy.
> 
> Since the video, now in the library's collection is VHS, and cannot be 
> replaced with a new copy in any format, the library can apply Section 108 to 
> make up to 3 copies.
> 
> The argument is not that VHS is obsolete, but that the format is 
> deteriorating.
> 
> The law does not require tracking down the copyright holder(s) and asking for 
> permission.
> 
> Painting this question as a matter of librarians or faculty wanting 
> everything is a broad overstatement.
> 
> Is this unusual?  Yes.  Is this a blatant attempt to cheat a system?  Hardly.
> 
> The law lays out specific protections for libraries and too many librarians 
> for whatever purpose are too timid in asserting the rights that law has 
> provided.
> 
> deg farrelly, Media Librarian/streaming Video Administrator Arizona 
> State University Libraries
> 
> 
>> Actually not. 108 is for replacement copies already in a collection 
>> and Lorraine's school never had a copy. The idea that one would 
>> purchase a used VHS the supposedly "dead" format for the express 
>> purpose of making a DVD is not what the law says.
>> 
>> In general this just goes to the issue that not every film ever made 
>> is going to be available and sometimes instructors will have to find 
>> something else
>> 
> 
> 
> 
>> I have a faculty that wants to screen Native Son, 1986 w/ Oprah Winfrey. 
>> As far as I can see ONLY a VHS exists.  My first Q is, if we do not 
>> have players in the classroom, and I am not seeing any copy of this 
>> on DVD, are we SOL?
>> 
>> My only other option is to purchase the VHS and have her screen in 
>> the library (we do have VHS players).  In terms of Fair Use checklist, if we
>> have a VHS, that is my only option, correct?   
>> 
>> Btw, all the VHS copies 

Re: [Videolib] Native Son

[Dennis Doros]

I happen to agree with Terry and deg except for this:

"Copyright law has shifted far far to the side of protections for content
creators."

That's just not true and Jo Ann, this would also be an example of
misinformation. Access has never been cheaper (anyone remember $2000 for a
16mm *lease*?) because of the Sony decision, easier to acquire and project,
and frankly, so much of it is online for free illegally (and here I agree
with Jessica -- being used by some educators) that you may *say* that the
laws and court decisions have been in favor of the content creators, but in
practice, the copyright holders have never had less power than we do now.
Twenty years ago, film clips in documentaries were practically never based
on fair use. Thanks to Mark Rappaport and Thom Andersen among others, it's
widely accepted now.

Here's a test. How many of you have watched a David Bowie video this week
that wasn't put up by the copyright owner? (Me too.)

Every time I take an illegal upload of one of Milestone's copyrighted films
down from YouTube, there have already been thousands of viewers and ten
more copies pop up in its place. Same for other sites as well including
Vimeo and yes, even Archive.org. And let's face it, most of the copyright
laws after the Sonny Bono act in 1998 have been in favor of education.

My true belief is that the lack of funding for media in education by the
government and by your institutions has made the content owners the
scapegoat. There! I said it. ;-)


Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com


JOIN OUR MAILING LIST TODAY!

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Simpkins, Terry W.  wrote:

> Greetings, everyone
> I second this interpretation by Deg.  There is nothing in 108 that
> specifies a film must "already be in the collection" (if that were the
> case, then already in the collection since... when?).  There is so much
> misinformation about this stuff, especially, at times, from certain
> quarters on this list, that it is important to look at what the law
> actually says.  108 says nothing about libraries having to hold copies of
> an obsolete format for some specified period of time before invoking 108,
> nor does it say the library had to have purchased the item now considered
> obsolete in new condition.  I don't even think this is a particularly
> unusual situation.
>
> If anyone can point out the actual text of the law, or a court case that
> established this as an interpretation, that says otherwise, it would be
> news to me and I'd be grateful to learn about it.
>
> I'm all for telling faculty when something can't be done, but not for
> erecting imaginary and unnecessary barriers to their work.  Copyright law
> has shifted far far to the side of protections for content creators.  Let's
> not make our lives as librarians and educators even more difficult through
> timidity, as Deg rightly says, or self-imposed restrictions with no basis
> in law.
>
> Terry Simpkins
> Director, Discovery & Access Services
> Middlebury College
> Middlebury VT 05653
> 892-443-5045
>
> > On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Deg Farrelly  wrote:
> >
> > I wholeheartedly disagree.
> >
> > There are 2 issues here:  obtaining a video to meet a faculty member's
> need and applying section 108 to make a copy of that video.
> >
> > After diligently looking, it's been determined that the only sources for
> this video are used VHS.
> >
> > If the library purchases a video for its collection, even if it is used,
> it is a legally acquired copy.  Most of us, I'd wager, have done that at
> some point
> >
> > The law provides for the legal duplication of a legally acquired copy.
> >
> > Since the video, now in the library's collection is VHS, and cannot be
> replaced with a new copy in any format, the library can apply Section 108
> to make up to 3 copies.
> >
> > The argument is not that VHS is obsolete, but that the format is
> deteriorating.
> >
> > The law does not require tracking down the copyright holder(s) and
> asking for permission.
> >
> > Painting this question as a matter of librarians or faculty wanting
> everything is a broad overstatement.
> >
> > Is this unusual?  Yes.  Is this a blatant attempt to cheat a system?
> Hardly.
> >
> > The law lays out specific protections for libraries and too many
> librarians for whatever purpose are too timid in asserting the rights that
> law has provided.
> >
> > deg farrelly, Media Librarian/streaming Video Administrator
> > Arizona State University Libraries
> >
> >
> >> Actually not. 108 is for replacement copies already in a collection and
> >> Lorraine's school never had a copy. The idea that one would purchase a

Re: [Videolib] Native Son

[Reynolds, Jo Ann]

I third this interpretation by Deg and Terry. 

It is important to read the law for yourself because sometimes there is 
misinformation on this list and with content providers.

Jo Ann

Jo Ann Reynolds
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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Simpkins, Terry W.
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:15 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Native Son

Greetings, everyone
I second this interpretation by Deg.  There is nothing in 108 that specifies a 
film must "already be in the collection" (if that were the case, then already 
in the collection since... when?).  There is so much misinformation about this 
stuff, especially, at times, from certain quarters on this list, that it is 
important to look at what the law actually says.  108 says nothing about 
libraries having to hold copies of an obsolete format for some specified period 
of time before invoking 108, nor does it say the library had to have purchased 
the item now considered obsolete in new condition.  I don't even think this is 
a particularly unusual situation.

If anyone can point out the actual text of the law, or a court case that 
established this as an interpretation, that says otherwise, it would be news to 
me and I'd be grateful to learn about it.

I'm all for telling faculty when something can't be done, but not for erecting 
imaginary and unnecessary barriers to their work.  Copyright law has shifted 
far far to the side of protections for content creators.  Let's not make our 
lives as librarians and educators even more difficult through timidity, as Deg 
rightly says, or self-imposed restrictions with no basis in law.

Terry Simpkins
Director, Discovery & Access Services
Middlebury College
Middlebury VT 05653
892-443-5045

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Deg Farrelly  wrote:
> 
> I wholeheartedly disagree.
> 
> There are 2 issues here:  obtaining a video to meet a faculty member's need 
> and applying section 108 to make a copy of that video.
> 
> After diligently looking, it's been determined that the only sources for this 
> video are used VHS.
> 
> If the library purchases a video for its collection, even if it is used, it 
> is a legally acquired copy.  Most of us, I'd wager, have done that at some 
> point
> 
> The law provides for the legal duplication of a legally acquired copy.
> 
> Since the video, now in the library's collection is VHS, and cannot be 
> replaced with a new copy in any format, the library can apply Section 108 to 
> make up to 3 copies.
> 
> The argument is not that VHS is obsolete, but that the format is 
> deteriorating.
> 
> The law does not require tracking down the copyright holder(s) and asking for 
> permission.
> 
> Painting this question as a matter of librarians or faculty wanting 
> everything is a broad overstatement.
> 
> Is this unusual?  Yes.  Is this a blatant attempt to cheat a system?  Hardly.
> 
> The law lays out specific protections for libraries and too many librarians 
> for whatever purpose are too timid in asserting the rights that law has 
> provided.
> 
> deg farrelly, Media Librarian/streaming Video Administrator Arizona 
> State University Libraries
> 
> 
>> Actually not. 108 is for replacement copies already in a collection 
>> and Lorraine's school never had a copy. The idea that one would 
>> purchase a used VHS the supposedly "dead" format for the express 
>> purpose of making a DVD is not what the law says.
>> 
>> In general this just goes to the issue that not every film ever made 
>> is going to be available and sometimes instructors will have to find 
>> something else
>> 
> 
> 
> 
>> I have a faculty that wants to screen Native Son, 1986 w/ Oprah Winfrey. 
>> As far as I can see ONLY a VHS exists.  My first Q is, if we do not 
>> have players in the classroom, and I am not seeing any copy of this 
>> on DVD, are we SOL?
>> 
>> My only other option is to purchase the VHS and have her screen in 
>> the library (we do have VHS players).  In terms of Fair Use checklist, if we
>> have a VHS, that is my only option, correct?   
>> 
>> Btw, all the VHS copies are used; which could be fine. 
>> 
>> Your advice is appreciated.   
> 
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related insti

Re: [Videolib] Native Son

[Simpkins, Terry W.]

Greetings, everyone
I second this interpretation by Deg.  There is nothing in 108 that specifies a 
film must "already be in the collection" (if that were the case, then already 
in the collection since... when?).  There is so much misinformation about this 
stuff, especially, at times, from certain quarters on this list, that it is 
important to look at what the law actually says.  108 says nothing about 
libraries having to hold copies of an obsolete format for some specified period 
of time before invoking 108, nor does it say the library had to have purchased 
the item now considered obsolete in new condition.  I don't even think this is 
a particularly unusual situation.

If anyone can point out the actual text of the law, or a court case that 
established this as an interpretation, that says otherwise, it would be news to 
me and I'd be grateful to learn about it.

I'm all for telling faculty when something can't be done, but not for erecting 
imaginary and unnecessary barriers to their work.  Copyright law has shifted 
far far to the side of protections for content creators.  Let's not make our 
lives as librarians and educators even more difficult through timidity, as Deg 
rightly says, or self-imposed restrictions with no basis in law.

Terry Simpkins
Director, Discovery & Access Services
Middlebury College
Middlebury VT 05653
892-443-5045

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Deg Farrelly  wrote:
> 
> I wholeheartedly disagree.
> 
> There are 2 issues here:  obtaining a video to meet a faculty member's need 
> and applying section 108 to make a copy of that video.
> 
> After diligently looking, it's been determined that the only sources for this 
> video are used VHS.
> 
> If the library purchases a video for its collection, even if it is used, it 
> is a legally acquired copy.  Most of us, I'd wager, have done that at some 
> point
> 
> The law provides for the legal duplication of a legally acquired copy.
> 
> Since the video, now in the library's collection is VHS, and cannot be 
> replaced with a new copy in any format, the library can apply Section 108 to 
> make up to 3 copies.
> 
> The argument is not that VHS is obsolete, but that the format is 
> deteriorating.
> 
> The law does not require tracking down the copyright holder(s) and asking for 
> permission.
> 
> Painting this question as a matter of librarians or faculty wanting 
> everything is a broad overstatement.
> 
> Is this unusual?  Yes.  Is this a blatant attempt to cheat a system?  Hardly.
> 
> The law lays out specific protections for libraries and too many librarians 
> for whatever purpose are too timid in asserting the rights that law has 
> provided.
> 
> deg farrelly, Media Librarian/streaming Video Administrator
> Arizona State University Libraries
> 
> 
>> Actually not. 108 is for replacement copies already in a collection and
>> Lorraine's school never had a copy. The idea that one would purchase a used
>> VHS the supposedly "dead" format for the express purpose of making a DVD is
>> not what the law says.
>> 
>> In general this just goes to the issue that not every film ever made is
>> going to be available and sometimes instructors will have to find something
>> else
>> 
> 
> 
> 
>> I have a faculty that wants to screen Native Son, 1986 w/ Oprah Winfrey. 
>> As far as I can see ONLY a VHS exists.  My first Q is, if we do not have 
>> players in the classroom, and I am not seeing any copy of this on DVD, are 
>> we SOL? 
>> 
>> My only other option is to purchase the VHS and have her screen in the 
>> library (we do have VHS players).  In terms of Fair Use checklist, if we 
>> have a VHS, that is my only option, correct?   
>> 
>> Btw, all the VHS copies are used; which could be fine. 
>> 
>> Your advice is appreciated.   
> 
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Native Son

[Deg Farrelly]

I wholeheartedly disagree.

There are 2 issues here:  obtaining a video to meet a faculty member's need and 
applying section 108 to make a copy of that video.

After diligently looking, it's been determined that the only sources for this 
video are used VHS.

If the library purchases a video for its collection, even if it is used, it is 
a legally acquired copy.  Most of us, I'd wager, have done that at some 
point

The law provides for the legal duplication of a legally acquired copy.

Since the video, now in the library's collection is VHS, and cannot be replaced 
with a new copy in any format, the library can apply Section 108 to make up to 
3 copies.

The argument is not that VHS is obsolete, but that the format is deteriorating.

The law does not require tracking down the copyright holder(s) and asking for 
permission.

Painting this question as a matter of librarians or faculty wanting everything 
is a broad overstatement.

Is this unusual?  Yes.  Is this a blatant attempt to cheat a system?  Hardly.

The law lays out specific protections for libraries and too many librarians for 
whatever purpose are too timid in asserting the rights that law has provided.

deg farrelly, Media Librarian/streaming Video Administrator
Arizona State University Libraries
 

> Actually not. 108 is for replacement copies already in a collection and
> Lorraine's school never had a copy. The idea that one would purchase a used
> VHS the supposedly "dead" format for the express purpose of making a DVD is
> not what the law says.
> 
> In general this just goes to the issue that not every film ever made is
> going to be available and sometimes instructors will have to find something
> else
> 



> I have a faculty that wants to screen Native Son, 1986 w/ Oprah Winfrey. 
> As far as I can see ONLY a VHS exists.  My first Q is, if we do not have 
> players in the classroom, and I am not seeing any copy of this on DVD, are 
> we SOL? 
> 
> My only other option is to purchase the VHS and have her screen in the 
> library (we do have VHS players).  In terms of Fair Use checklist, if we 
> have a VHS, that is my only option, correct?   
> 
> Btw, all the VHS copies are used; which could be fine. 
> 
> Your advice is appreciated.   

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] native son 1986 dvd? help

[Wochna, Lorraine]

Videolibbers,

Thank you for your suggestions.
I have contacted the filmmaker.  Hey, it’s worth a try.

If the faculty insists on this particular film of Native Son, and there are VHS 
copies available, and I have a player in the library, I don’t think I can make 
a case to copy the VHS without permission.

Best,
lorraine


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Katie 
Aldrich/Northcentral Technical College
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:42 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] native son 1986 dvd? help

Hi Lorraine,

Just a follow-up note.  If the instructor needs this video in a DVD or 
streaming format, and if none are available in the market, you can contact the 
copyright holder to request written permission or negotiate a license to 
convert & use the video in that format.  Also request permission to add closed 
captions right away, since this is originating from a VHS.

This can be a quick or lengthy process, but it can also be quite successful if 
the video is not an orphan work.

This link may be of interest to you: http://copyright.gov/circs/m10.pdf

Best of luck!

Katie Aldrich
Library Services Assistant - Purchasing
Northcentral Technical College | 1000 W. Campus Drive, Wausau, WI 54401
Ph 715.803.1055 | Mail Stop: WG | Email: 
aldr...@ntc.edu<mailto:aldr...@ntc.edu> | Website: www.ntc.edu/library




From:Katie Aldrich/Northcentral Technical College 
mailto:aldr...@ntc.edu>>
To:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
Date:01/12/2016 02:26 PM
Subject:    Re: [Videolib] native son 1986 dvd?  help
Sent by:
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>




Hi Lorraine,

First, I would ask if the faculty is using this for a face-to-face class & for 
instructional purposes.  If so, you can reference this FAQ from the U.S. 
Copyright Office: http://copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#movies

You can also reference 17 U.S.C. §110(1) for the legal text.

Screenings outside of that situation require public performance rights.

Thanks!

Katie Aldrich
Library Services Assistant - Purchasing
Northcentral Technical College | 1000 W. Campus Drive, Wausau, WI 54401
Ph 715.803.1055 | Mail Stop: WG | Email: 
aldr...@ntc.edu<mailto:aldr...@ntc.edu> | Website: www.ntc.edu/library




From:"Wochna, Lorraine" mailto:woc...@ohio.edu>>
To:"videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date:01/12/2016 10:58 AM
Subject:[Videolib] native son 1986 dvd?  help
Sent by:
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>




Hi all,

Welcome to 2016.  I’m looking forward to another year of learning from all of 
you.
Let me start here.

This Q has come up a few times this year, at least for me.

I have a faculty that wants to screen Native Son, 1986 w/ Oprah Winfrey.  As 
far as I can see ONLY a VHS exists.  My first Q is, if we do not have players 
in the classroom, and I am not seeing any copy of this on DVD, are we SOL?

My only other option is to purchase the VHS and have her screen in the library 
(we do have VHS players).  In terms of Fair Use checklist, if we have a VHS, 
that is my only option, correct?

Btw, all the VHS copies are used; which could be fine.

Your advice is appreciated.

Best to all,
lorraine




lorraine wochna
African American Studies, English Lit, Performing Arts Librarian
Alden Library, 2nd floor
Ohio University
Athens OH  45701
W 740-597-1238
CHAT WITH ME:  http://libguides.library.ohiou.edu/prf.php?account_id=7943
MAKE APPT:  http://ohiou.libcal.com/appointment/2001
[small card lorraine]

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic cont

Re: [Videolib] native son 1986 dvd? help

[Katie Aldrich/Northcentral Technical College]

Hi Lorraine,

Just a follow-up note.  If the instructor needs this video in a DVD or 
streaming format, and if none are available in the market, you can contact 
the copyright holder to request written permission or negotiate a license 
to convert & use the video in that format.  Also request permission to add 
closed captions right away, since this is originating from a VHS.

This can be a quick or lengthy process, but it can also be quite 
successful if the video is not an orphan work.

This link may be of interest to you: http://copyright.gov/circs/m10.pdf

Best of luck!

Katie Aldrich
Library Services Assistant - Purchasing
Northcentral Technical College | 1000 W. Campus Drive, Wausau, WI 54401
Ph 715.803.1055 | Mail Stop: WG | Email: aldr...@ntc.edu | Website: 
www.ntc.edu/library




From:   Katie Aldrich/Northcentral Technical College 
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Date:   01/12/2016 02:26 PM
Subject:Re: [Videolib] native son 1986 dvd?  help
Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu



Hi Lorraine, 

First, I would ask if the faculty is using this for a face-to-face class & 
for instructional purposes.  If so, you can reference this FAQ from the 
U.S. Copyright Office: 
http://copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#movies 

You can also reference 17 U.S.C. §110(1) for the legal text. 

Screenings outside of that situation require public performance rights. 

Thanks! 

Katie Aldrich 
Library Services Assistant - Purchasing 
Northcentral Technical College | 1000 W. Campus Drive, Wausau, WI 54401 
Ph 715.803.1055 | Mail Stop: WG | Email: aldr...@ntc.edu | Website: 
www.ntc.edu/library 




From:"Wochna, Lorraine"  
To:"videolib@lists.berkeley.edu"  
Date:01/12/2016 10:58 AM 
Subject:    [Videolib] native son 1986 dvd?  help 
Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 



Hi all, 
  
Welcome to 2016.  I’m looking forward to another year of learning from all 
of you. 
Let me start here. 
  
This Q has come up a few times this year, at least for me.   
  
I have a faculty that wants to screen Native Son, 1986 w/ Oprah Winfrey. 
As far as I can see ONLY a VHS exists.  My first Q is, if we do not have 
players in the classroom, and I am not seeing any copy of this on DVD, are 
we SOL? 
  
My only other option is to purchase the VHS and have her screen in the 
library (we do have VHS players).  In terms of Fair Use checklist, if we 
have a VHS, that is my only option, correct?   
  
Btw, all the VHS copies are used; which could be fine. 
  
Your advice is appreciated.   
  
Best to all, 
lorraine 
  
  
  
  
lorraine wochna 
African American Studies, English Lit, Performing Arts Librarian 
Alden Library, 2nd floor 
Ohio University 
Athens OH  45701 
W 740-597-1238 
CHAT WITH ME:  http://libguides.library.ohiou.edu/prf.php?account_id=7943 
MAKE APPT:  http://ohiou.libcal.com/appointment/2001 

  
 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic 
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in 
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve 
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of 
communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video 
producers and distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic 
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in 
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve 
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of 
communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video 
producers and distributors.



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] native son 1986 dvd? help

[Katie Aldrich/Northcentral Technical College]

Hi Lorraine,

First, I would ask if the faculty is using this for a face-to-face class & 
for instructional purposes.  If so, you can reference this FAQ from the 
U.S. Copyright Office: 
http://copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#movies

You can also reference 17 U.S.C. §110(1) for the legal text.

Screenings outside of that situation require public performance rights. 

Thanks!

Katie Aldrich
Library Services Assistant - Purchasing
Northcentral Technical College | 1000 W. Campus Drive, Wausau, WI 54401
Ph 715.803.1055 | Mail Stop: WG | Email: aldr...@ntc.edu | Website: 
www.ntc.edu/library




From:   "Wochna, Lorraine" 
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
Date:   01/12/2016 10:58 AM
Subject:        [Videolib] native son 1986 dvd?  help
Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu



Hi all,
 
Welcome to 2016.  I’m looking forward to another year of learning from all 
of you.
Let me start here.
 
This Q has come up a few times this year, at least for me. 
 
I have a faculty that wants to screen Native Son, 1986 w/ Oprah Winfrey. 
As far as I can see ONLY a VHS exists.  My first Q is, if we do not have 
players in the classroom, and I am not seeing any copy of this on DVD, are 
we SOL?
 
My only other option is to purchase the VHS and have her screen in the 
library (we do have VHS players).  In terms of Fair Use checklist, if we 
have a VHS, that is my only option, correct? 
 
Btw, all the VHS copies are used; which could be fine.
 
Your advice is appreciated. 
 
Best to all,
lorraine
 
 
 
 
lorraine wochna
African American Studies, English Lit, Performing Arts Librarian
Alden Library, 2nd floor
Ohio University
Athens OH  45701
W 740-597-1238
CHAT WITH ME:  http://libguides.library.ohiou.edu/prf.php?account_id=7943
MAKE APPT:  http://ohiou.libcal.com/appointment/2001

 
 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic 
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in 
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve 
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of 
communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video 
producers and distributors.



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] native son 1986 dvd? help

[Jessica Rosner]

Actually not. 108 is for replacement copies already in a collection and
Lorraine's school never had a copy. The idea that one would purchase a used
VHS the supposedly "dead" format for the express purpose of making a DVD is
not what the law says.

In general this just goes to the issue that not every film ever made is
going to be available and sometimes instructors will have to find something
else

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Sarah E. McCleskey <
sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu> wrote:

> Hi Lorraine,
>
>
>
> If it has  not been released on DVD if sounds like a candidate for Section
> 108 preservation. Good info here:
>
>
>
> http://librarycopyright.net/resources/spinner/
>
>
>
> Also, I use this checklist to document section 108 searches. Stolen
> unabashedly from Chris Lewis at American.
>
>
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Wochna, Lorraine
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:55 AM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] native son 1986 dvd? help
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Welcome to 2016.  I’m looking forward to another year of learning from all
> of you.
>
> Let me start here.
>
>
>
> This Q has come up a few times this year, at least for me.
>
>
>
> I have a faculty that wants to screen Native Son, 1986 w/ Oprah Winfrey.
> As far as I can see ONLY a VHS exists.  My first Q is, if we do not have
> players in the classroom, and I am not seeing any copy of this on DVD, are
> we SOL?
>
>
>
> My only other option is to purchase the VHS and have her screen in the
> library (we do have VHS players).  In terms of Fair Use checklist, if we
> have a VHS, that is my only option, correct?
>
>
>
> Btw, all the VHS copies are used; which could be fine.
>
>
>
> Your advice is appreciated.
>
>
>
> Best to all,
>
> lorraine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> lorraine wochna
>
> African American Studies, English Lit, Performing Arts Librarian
>
> Alden Library, 2nd floor
>
> Ohio University
>
> Athens OH  45701
>
> W 740-597-1238
>
> CHAT WITH ME:  http://libguides.library.ohiou.edu/prf.php?account_id=7943
>
> MAKE APPT:  http://ohiou.libcal.com/appointment/2001
>
> [image: small card lorraine]
>
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] native son 1986 dvd? help

[Wochna, Lorraine]

Hi all,

Welcome to 2016.  I'm looking forward to another year of learning from all of 
you.
Let me start here.

This Q has come up a few times this year, at least for me.

I have a faculty that wants to screen Native Son, 1986 w/ Oprah Winfrey.  As 
far as I can see ONLY a VHS exists.  My first Q is, if we do not have players 
in the classroom, and I am not seeing any copy of this on DVD, are we SOL?

My only other option is to purchase the VHS and have her screen in the library 
(we do have VHS players).  In terms of Fair Use checklist, if we have a VHS, 
that is my only option, correct?

Btw, all the VHS copies are used; which could be fine.

Your advice is appreciated.

Best to all,
lorraine




lorraine wochna
African American Studies, English Lit, Performing Arts Librarian
Alden Library, 2nd floor
Ohio University
Athens OH  45701
W 740-597-1238
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