Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
I had a computer crash on Fri. so I couldn't answer you sooner. Meanwhile I've seen some of the other responses. Jessica, if our college has to digitize (transcode) the item, and store it on our own server, and deal with our own infrastructure in order to stream the video, then we ought not to be paying the same amount as when we are able to link to a vendor's site, where the video is waiting to be viewed. It costs staff time to transcode the DVD - it costs staff time to ftp the file to wherever the server is that will do the streaming, and it takes staff time manage the server. If we do all of those things, we ought to be given some consideration for having done all of the work. I think your price of $200 per disc, for a 6 year term, if that's what you're saying, is dependent on the situation. Formulas may not work in this rapidly changing world. I certainly would not pay that for a $50 retail video. and we do all the work. You should be paying us. As for 6 year, 5 year or perpetual license terms - you know what, folks? After 5 years, a video may be getting tired, anyway. Other than classics, which many of us who've been in the biz. a number of years can name, 5 years is a good run on a documentary. Being reminded to remove it from your server may be doing you a favor, to do collection management, and weed out the older content. We have so many items on our media shelves (yes, we do have a collection housed separately) that are so old, they should have been removed 5 years ago, but we never got around to it. So, I'm coming around to thinking that 5 or 6 years may be an acceptable term. Hopefully, there would be recourse to renew for another term, if the item is still being used. And then there's the issue of server storage space - videos take up a lot of space, especially if you have chosen a larger format screen size over the miniature size. We just transcoded a video into MP4 and it takes up 600 MB of space - it won't take long to fill up storage space at that rate. So, removing older videos is a good thing, if lack of use justifies it. Those are some of my ideas, now that we've begun to wade in the quagmire of streaming. Regards, Susan Weber Jessica Rosner wrote: I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Susan Weber, Librarian Langara College, 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, B.C. V5Y 2Z6 Tel. 604-323-5533 email: swe...@langara.bc.ca VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
Well it is a question of if the titles are ones you would want to stream, ones that are or would be used in classes. Otherwise it is not worth paying for the rights whether you do the work or access it. Actually a number of the films I am talking about are classics ( Chaplin, Melies, Fairbanks) others are documentaries and a few are fiction features. Most, but not all can in fact be licensed for screening in perpetuity. One of the things I am trying to do in encouraging the rights holders I deal with is to accept a kind of one price fits all model which may not be ideal but the alternative is a mess. I don't want to be in the position of licensing streaming rights based on enrollment, amount of use etc. Just as librarians would hate trying to track that, so would rights holders. I am not sure why you would object to paying $200 (or more) for licensing a title that say costs only $30 for a DVD copy, the point should be how widely would it be used. If WB said you could license CITIZEN KANE for 6 years or forever for $200 or $300 bucks but you had to transcode it yourself, I am guessing it would be worth it. I imagine librarians and instructors basically have to come up with a formula to decide what titles are worth buying streaming rights on based on some estimate of use. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca wrote: I had a computer crash on Fri. so I couldn't answer you sooner. Meanwhile I've seen some of the other responses. Jessica, if our college has to digitize (transcode) the item, and store it on our own server, and deal with our own infrastructure in order to stream the video, then we ought not to be paying the same amount as when we are able to link to a vendor's site, where the video is waiting to be viewed. It costs staff time to transcode the DVD - it costs staff time to ftp the file to wherever the server is that will do the streaming, and it takes staff time manage the server. If we do all of those things, we ought to be given some consideration for having done all of the work. I think your price of $200 per disc, for a 6 year term, if that's what you're saying, is dependent on the situation. Formulas may not work in this rapidly changing world. I certainly would not pay that for a $50 retail video. and we do all the work. You should be paying us. As for 6 year, 5 year or perpetual license terms - you know what, folks? After 5 years, a video may be getting tired, anyway. Other than classics, which many of us who've been in the biz. a number of years can name, 5 years is a good run on a documentary. Being reminded to remove it from your server may be doing you a favor, to do collection management, and weed out the older content. We have so many items on our media shelves (yes, we do have a collection housed separately) that are so old, they should have been removed 5 years ago, but we never got around to it. So, I'm coming around to thinking that 5 or 6 years may be an acceptable term. Hopefully, there would be recourse to renew for another term, if the item is still being used. And then there's the issue of server storage space - videos take up a lot of space, especially if you have chosen a larger format screen size over the miniature size. We just transcoded a video into MP4 and it takes up 600 MB of space - it won't take long to fill up storage space at that rate. So, removing older videos is a good thing, if lack of use justifies it. Those are some of my ideas, now that we've begun to wade in the quagmire of streaming. Regards, Susan Weber Jessica Rosner wrote: I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which
[Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
Jessica, Would there be a different price for a library who already owns the dvd and wants to purchase streaming rights? Also, I have to put this out there: our library does not consider streaming rights (or at least very rarely) for less than in perpetuity, not only due to the additional costs involved for renewing after a specific term of use is done, but also because we do not have any mechanisms in place to automatically alert us to the fact a term is expiring. If a professor needed a title streamed for a one-time use, we would expect to purchase this at a much reduced cost. We can provide server space, but our IT department may charge us for the work done to convert it, so this is an additional cost for us to stream. A password-protected environment is used when required. Thanks for asking for input. Jeanne Little Rod Library University of Northern Iowa On 1/19/2011 11:41 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- "The University of Northern Iowa provides transformative learning experiences that inspire students to embrace challenge, engage in critical inquiry and creative thought, and contribute to society." attachment: jeanne_little.vcfVIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
If they already own the film they would only need to pay the additional fee for streaming. I understand libraries want rights in perpetuity and I am sure most companies would love to offer them, but as a practical legal matter it is difficult. As mentioned the films I will work with involve some where the deal is from the actual director who owns all rights, but this is somewhat rare. Another group involves mostly classics through archive restorations in those also can usually be gotten in perpetuity, but standard feature films would be nearly impossible to get lifetime rights on. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Jeanne Little jeanne.lit...@uni.eduwrote: Jessica, Would there be a different price for a library who already owns the dvd and wants to purchase streaming rights? Also, I have to put this out there: our library does not consider streaming rights (or at least very rarely) for less than in perpetuity, not only due to the additional costs involved for renewing after a specific term of use is done, but also because we do not have any mechanisms in place to automatically alert us to the fact a term is expiring. If a professor needed a title streamed for a one-time use, we would expect to purchase this at a much reduced cost. We can provide server space, but our IT department may charge us for the work done to convert it, so this is an additional cost for us to stream. A password-protected environment is used when required. Thanks for asking for input. Jeanne Little Rod Library University of Northern Iowa On 1/19/2011 11:41 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- The University of Northern Iowa provides transformative learning experiences that inspire students to embrace challenge, engage in critical inquiry and creative thought, and contribute to society. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
I think it could be made more flexible, but rights holders don't want it to be a free for all where the film can just be watched at anytime for any reason. I mean they might be willing to do that, but they would want more money. I think the people I work with would agree to something like librarian discretion in which a student could request access for a particular reason, but they would not want the films available to the entire campus at all times without more money. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Brewer, Michael brew...@u.library.arizona.edu wrote: Jessica, It is great that this is being done. My only concern is that setting this up only as a sort of remedy for TEACH is going to be overly restrictive for learning and, especially, scholarship. In this model, students that want to view a film that has not been identified by the instructor (but which they are using for a paper or some other assignment) will not have access. I would recommend that you make the films available through license to any enrolled student, not just to those where an instructor has identified films and linked them in the CMS ahead of time. In this model instructors or researchers would also have access, even if they are not using the film in a course (but are developing a course or are doing independent research and scholarship). mb Michael Brewer Team Leader for Instructional Services University of Arizona Libraries brew...@u.library.arizona.edu *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:42 AM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
Hi Rod and Jessica, We also rarely consider streaming rights for less than in perpetuity for the same reasons. But am interested in a response regarding films already purchased without streaming rights as well. -Bonnie Brown Avery Fisher Center E.H. Bobst Library New York University - Original Message - From: Jeanne Little jeanne.lit...@uni.edu Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:15 pm Subject: Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Jessica, Would there be a different price for a library who already owns the dvd and wants to purchase streaming rights? Also, I have to put this out there: our library does not consider streaming rights (or at least very rarely) for less than in perpetuity, not only due to the additional costs involved for renewing after a specific term of use is done, but also because we do not have any mechanisms in place to automatically alert us to the fact a term is expiring. If a professor needed a title streamed for a one-time use, we would expect to purchase this at a much reduced cost. We can provide server space, but our IT department may charge us for the work done to convert it, so this is an additional cost for us to stream. A password-protected environment is used when required. Thanks for asking for input. Jeanne Little Rod Library University of Northern Iowa On 1/19/2011 11:41 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- The University of Northern Iowa provides transformative learning experiences that inspire students to embrace challenge, engage in critical inquiry and creative thought, and contribute to society. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
Per above I have no problem taking the original purchase price out, so that a library could simply purchase the streaming rights on something they already bought (provided it was a legit purchase) The problem with limiting purchases to titles you can get lifetime rights on, is that it is relatively small group, limited mainly ( but not exclusively) to non fiction films either directly from the original director/producer or their rep. Perhaps that is what you want but how do you deal with classes that want to use Modern Times, Citizen Kane, The Leopard or any number of films which will never be available with lifetime rights. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Bonnie Brown bonnie.br...@nyu.edu wrote: Hi Rod and Jessica, We also rarely consider streaming rights for less than in perpetuity for the same reasons. But am interested in a response regarding films already purchased without streaming rights as well. -Bonnie Brown Avery Fisher Center E.H. Bobst Library New York University - Original Message - From: Jeanne Little jeanne.lit...@uni.edu Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:15 pm Subject: Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Jessica, Would there be a different price for a library who already owns the dvd and wants to purchase streaming rights? Also, I have to put this out there: our library does not consider streaming rights (or at least very rarely) for less than in perpetuity, not only due to the additional costs involved for renewing after a specific term of use is done, but also because we do not have any mechanisms in place to automatically alert us to the fact a term is expiring. If a professor needed a title streamed for a one-time use, we would expect to purchase this at a much reduced cost. We can provide server space, but our IT department may charge us for the work done to convert it, so this is an additional cost for us to stream. A password-protected environment is used when required. Thanks for asking for input. Jeanne Little Rod Library University of Northern Iowa On 1/19/2011 11:41 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- The University of Northern Iowa provides transformative learning experiences that inspire students to embrace challenge, engage in critical inquiry and creative thought, and contribute to society. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
I don't think there would be a problem. I think filmmakers just want to be sure their work is not being streamed just because a person or group wants to see it for fun, they might be flattered but they would want more money On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brewer, Michael brew...@u.library.arizona.edu wrote: What if this kind of access (for things not identified as course related by the instructor) was for a single “seat” at a time only? Michael Brewer Team Leader for Instructional Services University of Arizona Libraries brew...@u.library.arizona.edu *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:56 AM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights I think it could be made more flexible, but rights holders don't want it to be a free for all where the film can just be watched at anytime for any reason. I mean they might be willing to do that, but they would want more money. I think the people I work with would agree to something like librarian discretion in which a student could request access for a particular reason, but they would not want the films available to the entire campus at all times without more money. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Brewer, Michael brew...@u.library.arizona.edu wrote: Jessica, It is great that this is being done. My only concern is that setting this up only as a sort of remedy for TEACH is going to be overly restrictive for learning and, especially, scholarship. In this model, students that want to view a film that has not been identified by the instructor (but which they are using for a paper or some other assignment) will not have access. I would recommend that you make the films available through license to any enrolled student, not just to those where an instructor has identified films and linked them in the CMS ahead of time. In this model instructors or researchers would also have access, even if they are not using the film in a course (but are developing a course or are doing independent research and scholarship). mb Michael Brewer Team Leader for Instructional Services University of Arizona Libraries brew...@u.library.arizona.edu *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:42 AM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist out there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in this kind of situation. Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without a higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have had theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see institutional use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun. Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used in somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from Citizen Kane City Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I can't imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever doing lifetime rights. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Jessica, The three biggies for us are: --rights in perpetuity --accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University (not just those students registered for a specific course) --permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title. Digitizing ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an MPEG4 or digibeta, for example. Your pricing sounds reasonable to me. As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't possible, those would simply be titles that we could not consider for streaming. Cheers, Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner ATT1..txt VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from Citizen Kane City Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. Then we say we can't get streaming and they just have to watch the DVD. Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On Jan 19, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist out there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in this kind of situation. Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without a higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have had theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see institutional use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun. Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used in somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from Citizen Kane City Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I can't imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever doing lifetime rights. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) mailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edujmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Jessica, The three biggies for us are: --rights in perpetuity --accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University (not just those students registered for a specific course) --permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title. Digitizing ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an MPEG4 or digibeta, for example. Your pricing sounds reasonable to me. As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't possible, those would simply be titles that we could not consider for streaming. Cheers, Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mailto:mattb...@virginia.edumattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mailto:mattb...@virginia.edumattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Jessica Rosner mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is mailto:mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner ATT1..txt VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
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Works for me. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from Citizen Kane City Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. Then we say we can't get streaming and they just have to watch the DVD. Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On Jan 19, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist out there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in this kind of situation. Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without a higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have had theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see institutional use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun. Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used in somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from Citizen Kane City Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I can't imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever doing lifetime rights. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) mailto: jmb...@eservices.virginia.edujmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto: jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Jessica, The three biggies for us are: --rights in perpetuity --accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University (not just those students registered for a specific course) --permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title. Digitizing ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an MPEG4 or digibeta, for example. Your pricing sounds reasonable to me. As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't possible, those would simply be titles that we could not consider for streaming. Cheers, Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mailto:mattb...@virginia.edumattb...@virginia.edumailto: mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mailto:mattb...@virginia.edu mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Jessica Rosner mailto: jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.commailto: jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course. Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own system. I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films. You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc. email is mailto:mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:mailto: jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.commailto: jessicapros...@gmail.com
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Hi again, I must admit that I was thinking mostly about educational video when I last responded. For feature films, I would like to try providing access to streamed feature films via a mega-service similar to the home video on demand services to support the University - but with educational PPR and hosting provided. Would it be possible for you to work with an established service? In this case we might consider the more limited access to a particular class for a particular period of time. It seems unwieldy to work with different vendors/distributors/producers, all with their possibly varying payment and technical specifications; uniformity/streamlined processes can really help a library want to subscribe or otherwise acquire your product. As a Canadian university, we have two annual licenses which cost a fair bit that cover most feature films used in the classroom. I'm not sure how this would fit with a streaming feature film video service. It occurs to me that you may not be interested in the Canadian situation but we're interested in streaming video! :) Best, Marilyn -- Marilyn Nasserden Head, Visual Performing Arts Libraries and Cultural Resources 25 MacKimmie Library Block University of Calgary 2500 University Drive NW Calgary, Alberta, CANADA marilyn.nasser...@ucalgary.ca Phone: (403) 220-3795 On 1/19/2011 4:49 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote: what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from Citizen KaneCity Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. Then we say we can't get streaming and they just have to watch the DVD. Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On Jan 19, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Jessica Rosnerjessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist out there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in this kind of situation. Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without a higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have had theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see institutional use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun. Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used in somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from Citizen KaneCity Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I can't imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever doing lifetime rights. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw)mailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edujmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Jessica, The three biggies for us are: --rights in perpetuity --accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University (not just those students registered for a specific course) --permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title. Digitizing ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an MPEG4 or digibeta, for example. Your pricing sounds reasonable to me. As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't possible, those would simply be titles that we could not consider for streaming. Cheers, Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mailto:mattb...@virginia.edumattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mailto:mattb...@virginia.edumattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Jessica Rosnermailto:jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
I suspect the big rights holders who license large collections (Swank and the two Criterions) will move to some sort of annual fee to use anything they have. Not sure if that works, but again I suspect that is what they will do. As for the pricing I don't think I can do much about that for my stuff. You are dealing with someone who may have only one or two films and even those with somewhat larger collections don't yet seem ready to do this by file as nearly all are at still at the DVD model of sale. They don't have the time or the money to do much more than provide a DVD. They have access to other materials but they would charge signicantly more. I will take what you, Michale and others said about access under advisement but again I think they will want an additional fee if they think the use is going beyond what they perceive as either class related or research. Thanks for the feedback. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Bergman, Barbara J barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu wrote: I understand the issue of film distributors not having the right to sell perpetuity rights, but it will reduce sales. Items that have to be paid for more than once are much more time-consuming. Items that have to be renewed are treated as serials. Which get treated differently than one time purchases. Serials have to be approved by a committee. Library systems aren’t well setup to track and flag individual licenses. For periodicals, the vendor sends us a big bill that lists everything, we say okay and send payment. Would it help if we word it as life-of-format? I would be okay with the suggested pricing if I were being given a file to load. If I have to do the digitization as well as hosting, it’s a bit high. If we’re licensing for ongoing use for however many years, we must be allowed to provide campus-wide using IP-authentication just like all of our subscribed databases. We would not agree to ongoing access that limited use to a single class or required a password. The only time that limited access would be okay is if I’m buying one time use, but not for longer term access. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights
Again the people I work with are all very small. They simply can not invest any more money in hosting or other services unless they could literally be guaranteed a profit from day 1 and I can't see how to work that. As a practical matter I don't see how going through a 2nd party would be safe for the users as things can change and what happens if they no longer exist in two years? I can't say my folks will be making or distributing films in two years, but since they own the lifetime streaming rights, they can sell it now. As for the Canadian issue, it will cut down on the number of titles I could sell for streaming because not all have Canadian rights ( two are French so you can imagine the fun of that) but beyond that it is not a problem because we can do both the streaming and PPR in one package. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Marilyn Nasserden marilyn.nasser...@ucalgary.ca wrote: Hi again, I must admit that I was thinking mostly about educational video when I last responded. For feature films, I would like to try providing access to streamed feature films via a mega-service similar to the home video on demand services to support the University - but with educational PPR and hosting provided. Would it be possible for you to work with an established service? In this case we might consider the more limited access to a particular class for a particular period of time. It seems unwieldy to work with different vendors/distributors/producers, all with their possibly varying payment and technical specifications; uniformity/streamlined processes can really help a library want to subscribe or otherwise acquire your product. As a Canadian university, we have two annual licenses which cost a fair bit that cover most feature films used in the classroom. I'm not sure how this would fit with a streaming feature film video service. It occurs to me that you may not be interested in the Canadian situation but we're interested in streaming video! :) Best, Marilyn -- Marilyn Nasserden Head, Visual Performing Arts Libraries and Cultural Resources 25 MacKimmie Library Block University of Calgary 2500 University Drive NW Calgary, Alberta, CANADA marilyn.nasser...@ucalgary.ca Phone: (403) 220-3795 On 1/19/2011 4:49 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote: what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from Citizen KaneCity Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. Then we say we can't get streaming and they just have to watch the DVD. Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On Jan 19, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Jessica Rosnerjessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist out there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in this kind of situation. Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without a higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have had theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see institutional use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun. Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used in somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from Citizen KaneCity Lights to Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I can't imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever doing lifetime rights. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw)mailto: jmb...@eservices.virginia.edujmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto: jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Jessica, The three biggies for us are: --rights in perpetuity --accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University (not just those students registered for a specific course) --permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title. Digitizing ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an MPEG4 or digibeta, for example. Your pricing sounds reasonable to me. As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't possible, those would simply be titles that we could not consider for streaming. Cheers, Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mailto:mattb...@virginia.edumattb...@virginia.edumailto:
