Re: [Videolib] captured news video on vhs: worth transferring to dvd?
This collection of Maureen's reminds me of older media monitoring services, like VMS and AIS. They had pretty extensive collections of television from different markets and some of them dated back a ways. I always wondered what happened to the collections once VMS went out of business, which I think it did in 2011. Best wishes, Laura Laura Jenemann Film Studies/Media Services Librarian Johnson Center Library George Mason University 4400 University Drive MS 1A6 Fairfax VA, 22030 Phone: 703-993-7593 Email: ljene...@gmu.edu On 7/25/2013 4:09 PM, Nellie J Chenault wrote: Reminder. U.S. Copyright law section 108 f 3 relates to library recording, archiving and lending news broadcasts. Permissions are not necessary for hard and live news; news programs and specials are a different matter. The main issue may be whether retention and conversion of these recordings at your library is necessary for access. What is duplicated within reliable archives? How much of your news archive is local news? That may be the area where you should put your efforts. Besides the unreliable YouTube, there are the commercial news archives (NBC, Vanderbilit, CSpan) as well as the TVNews within the Internet Archive. You may be able to contribute some of those recordings to the Internet Archive Nell Chenault VCU Libraries On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.com mailto:maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you need more information to give an informed answer. Are you talking about random newscasts taped off air that you now want to transfer to digital? This would be highly problematic for many reasons. Are you talking about news programming that you purchased on VHS that is not available on DVD. Everyone is assuming this material is not available digitally from the rights holder but again I would need more information on the nature of the material to give an informed answer. I think the biggest problem overall is that almost no one ever mentions that due diligence would require you to check with the rights holder. They may say no, they may quote a price you think insanely high or they might say go ahead but unless you actually ask the rights holder ( and it sounds like you know who they are) you are going to be on thin ice legally. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jeanne Little jeanne.lit...@uni.edu mailto:jeanne.lit...@uni.edu wrote: I would question the legality and possible copyright infringement on maintaining videos recorded off of television, even if they were kept in-house and not circulated outside of the Library. I know from dealing with PBS in the past, that they have a time-limit on the length of time you may retain a recorded program from their station for educational use, unless they held all of the copyright for the program. I would suspect that stations such as NBC, CBS, etc. would not be amendable to these titles being taped and retained for public consumption. Just my two cents... Jeanne Little Rod Library University of Northern Iowa On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.edu mailto:maureen_tr...@emerson.edu wrote: From about 1981 to 2001 my media department routinely recorded news off-air—not regular broadcasts, but coverage of events like inaugurations, presidential debates, Democratic and Republican national conventions, state of the union addresses, as well as special events we considered newsworthy, like Saddam Hussein and Dan Rather, and Nixon on Meet the Press. These recordings are on VHS. A lot of this material, like coverage of 9/11, is on youtube. I wonder, though, if it is worth transferring our vhs material to dvd? Might stuff on youtube go away at some point? I also wonder about the ethics of doing this. We would keep these DVDs for inhouse viewing only. I’d really appreciate your thoughts— __ __ VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Rod Library - Room 250 Collection Management Special Services
[Videolib] captured news video on vhs: worth transferring to dvd?
From about 1981 to 2001 my media department routinely recorded news off-air-not regular broadcasts, but coverage of events like inaugurations, presidential debates, Democratic and Republican national conventions, state of the union addresses, as well as special events we considered newsworthy, like Saddam Hussein and Dan Rather, and Nixon on Meet the Press. These recordings are on VHS. A lot of this material, like coverage of 9/11, is on youtube. I wonder, though, if it is worth transferring our vhs material to dvd? Might stuff on youtube go away at some point? I also wonder about the ethics of doing this. We would keep these DVDs for inhouse viewing only. I'd really appreciate your thoughts- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] captured news video on vhs: worth transferring to dvd?
I would question the legality and possible copyright infringement on maintaining videos recorded off of television, even if they were kept in-house and not circulated outside of the Library. I know from dealing with PBS in the past, that they have a time-limit on the length of time you may retain a recorded program from their station for educational use, unless they held all of the copyright for the program. I would suspect that stations such as NBC, CBS, etc. would not be amendable to these titles being taped and retained for public consumption. Just my two cents... Jeanne Little Rod Library University of Northern Iowa On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.eduwrote: From about 1981 to 2001 my media department routinely recorded news off-air—not regular broadcasts, but coverage of events like inaugurations, presidential debates, Democratic and Republican national conventions, state of the union addresses, as well as special events we considered newsworthy, like Saddam Hussein and Dan Rather, and Nixon on Meet the Press. These recordings are on VHS. A lot of this material, like coverage of 9/11, is on youtube. I wonder, though, if it is worth transferring our vhs material to dvd? Might stuff on youtube go away at some point? I also wonder about the ethics of doing this. We would keep these DVDs for inhouse viewing only. I’d really appreciate your thoughts— ** ** VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Rod Library - Room 250 Collection Management Special Services University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, IA 50613-3675 319-273-7255 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] captured news video on vhs: worth transferring to dvd?
Guidelines for schools making and keeping off-air recordings (Kastenmeier guidelines) were pretty limited and limiting, though. I would say the best argument for keeping them is fair use: the purpose is research/scholarly; they are news programs and so mostly factual rather than creative; they cannot be replaced by commercial versions (because none exist) so does not affect the market. If there are commercial versions available you might be better off buying those, for the sake of quality. Obviously the “amount” factor is not in your favor…. But 3 out of 4 ain’t bad. Judy From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Windsor, Matthew Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:22 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] captured news video on vhs: worth transferring to dvd? The Sony time shift ruling might cover the works as long as they were not digitized or publicly shown. The court ruling did state the videos could be shared for personal use as covered by fair use. (As long as the collection was not a systematic, deliberate attempt to archive a series of copyright events as a whole)...a lot of variables on this. Matthew Matthew Windsor Systems and Media Services Librarian Hendrix College Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Jeanne Little jeanne.lit...@uni.edumailto:jeanne.lit...@uni.edu wrote: I would question the legality and possible copyright infringement on maintaining videos recorded off of television, even if they were kept in-house and not circulated outside of the Library. I know from dealing with PBS in the past, that they have a time-limit on the length of time you may retain a recorded program from their station for educational use, unless they held all of the copyright for the program. I would suspect that stations such as NBC, CBS, etc. would not be amendable to these titles being taped and retained for public consumption. Just my two cents... Jeanne Little Rod Library University of Northern Iowa On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.edumailto:maureen_tr...@emerson.edu wrote: From about 1981 to 2001 my media department routinely recorded news off-air—not regular broadcasts, but coverage of events like inaugurations, presidential debates, Democratic and Republican national conventions, state of the union addresses, as well as special events we considered newsworthy, like Saddam Hussein and Dan Rather, and Nixon on Meet the Press. These recordings are on VHS. A lot of this material, like coverage of 9/11, is on youtube. I wonder, though, if it is worth transferring our vhs material to dvd? Might stuff on youtube go away at some point? I also wonder about the ethics of doing this. We would keep these DVDs for inhouse viewing only. I’d really appreciate your thoughts— VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Rod Library - Room 250 Collection Management Special Services University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, IA 50613-3675 319-273-7255 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] captured news video on vhs: worth transferring to dvd?
I would suggest that the reformatting is covered by Section 108. As far as having/making/keeping the copies at all, I think the main thing is to consider the social benefit in relation to the potential harm to the copyright holder or market for the work. Since there really is no market (the content is not being actively exploited commercially), I see this as a pretty easy call (as fair use), especially if you can be fairly certain that the use of the content will be for non-profit educational and research/scholarly purposes. 108 does require you not circulate the digital/DVD content to the public outside the library (though there is some debate on whether or not use in the classroom constitutes a circulation to the public). Personally, I think the reformatting (or the circulation to the classroom or for other educational/research purposes) would also fall under fair use. Either way, it would be a good idea for you to document your thinking/rationale should you decide to do this reformatting. mb Michael Brewer | Librarian | Team Leader for Instructional Services From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Windsor, Matthew Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:22 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] captured news video on vhs: worth transferring to dvd? The Sony time shift ruling might cover the works as long as they were not digitized or publicly shown. The court ruling did state the videos could be shared for personal use as covered by fair use. (As long as the collection was not a systematic, deliberate attempt to archive a series of copyright events as a whole)...a lot of variables on this. Matthew Matthew Windsor Systems and Media Services Librarian Hendrix College Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Jeanne Little jeanne.lit...@uni.edumailto:jeanne.lit...@uni.edu wrote: I would question the legality and possible copyright infringement on maintaining videos recorded off of television, even if they were kept in-house and not circulated outside of the Library. I know from dealing with PBS in the past, that they have a time-limit on the length of time you may retain a recorded program from their station for educational use, unless they held all of the copyright for the program. I would suspect that stations such as NBC, CBS, etc. would not be amendable to these titles being taped and retained for public consumption. Just my two cents... Jeanne Little Rod Library University of Northern Iowa On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.edumailto:maureen_tr...@emerson.edu wrote: From about 1981 to 2001 my media department routinely recorded news off-air—not regular broadcasts, but coverage of events like inaugurations, presidential debates, Democratic and Republican national conventions, state of the union addresses, as well as special events we considered newsworthy, like Saddam Hussein and Dan Rather, and Nixon on Meet the Press. These recordings are on VHS. A lot of this material, like coverage of 9/11, is on youtube. I wonder, though, if it is worth transferring our vhs material to dvd? Might stuff on youtube go away at some point? I also wonder about the ethics of doing this. We would keep these DVDs for inhouse viewing only. I’d really appreciate your thoughts— VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Rod Library - Room 250 Collection Management Special Services University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, IA 50613-3675 319-273-7255 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] captured news video on vhs: worth transferring to dvd?
Reminder. U.S. Copyright law section 108 f 3 relates to library recording, archiving and lending news broadcasts. Permissions are not necessary for hard and live news; news programs and specials are a different matter. The main issue may be whether retention and conversion of these recordings at your library is necessary for access. What is duplicated within reliable archives? How much of your news archive is local news? That may be the area where you should put your efforts. Besides the unreliable YouTube, there are the commercial news archives (NBC, Vanderbilit, CSpan) as well as the TVNews within the Internet Archive. You may be able to contribute some of those recordings to the Internet Archive Nell Chenault VCU Libraries On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.comwrote: I think you need more information to give an informed answer. Are you talking about random newscasts taped off air that you now want to transfer to digital? This would be highly problematic for many reasons. Are you talking about news programming that you purchased on VHS that is not available on DVD. Everyone is assuming this material is not available digitally from the rights holder but again I would need more information on the nature of the material to give an informed answer. I think the biggest problem overall is that almost no one ever mentions that due diligence would require you to check with the rights holder. They may say no, they may quote a price you think insanely high or they might say go ahead but unless you actually ask the rights holder ( and it sounds like you know who they are) you are going to be on thin ice legally. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jeanne Little jeanne.lit...@uni.eduwrote: I would question the legality and possible copyright infringement on maintaining videos recorded off of television, even if they were kept in-house and not circulated outside of the Library. I know from dealing with PBS in the past, that they have a time-limit on the length of time you may retain a recorded program from their station for educational use, unless they held all of the copyright for the program. I would suspect that stations such as NBC, CBS, etc. would not be amendable to these titles being taped and retained for public consumption. Just my two cents... Jeanne Little Rod Library University of Northern Iowa On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.edu wrote: From about 1981 to 2001 my media department routinely recorded news off-air—not regular broadcasts, but coverage of events like inaugurations, presidential debates, Democratic and Republican national conventions, state of the union addresses, as well as special events we considered newsworthy, like Saddam Hussein and Dan Rather, and Nixon on Meet the Press. These recordings are on VHS. A lot of this material, like coverage of 9/11, is on youtube. I wonder, though, if it is worth transferring our vhs material to dvd? Might stuff on youtube go away at some point? I also wonder about the ethics of doing this. We would keep these DVDs for inhouse viewing only. I’d really appreciate your thoughts— ** ** VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Rod Library - Room 250 Collection Management Special Services University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, IA 50613-3675 319-273-7255 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video
