[Videolib] Movies for Int'l ed week

[Cathy Michael]

Greetings:

Mr. Ken Frankel any thanks for all of your fine suggestions for Int'l ed
week.

Deg:  congratulations on your retirement.  Thank you for all you've done --
you're the top!

Best,

Cathy

Catherine H. Michael
Communications & Legal Studies Librarian
Ithaca College Library
953 Danby Road, Ithaca, NY  14850
Phone | 607-274-1293
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Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

[Reichert, Allen]

Great list Dennis - thanks!

Allen Reichert
Electronic Access Librarian
Otterbein University


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Reichert, Allen wrote:

> Oh- yes - I had forgotten about "It's a Wonderful Life" - that may be the
> classic example.
>
> That said, I like Jessica's take on the question too.  We were talking
> about music, and there are so many rich examples - the Supreme Court case
> with 2 Live Crew, the Biz Markie case, George Harrison's accidental
> copying, etc that have ended up in court that make for interesting
> examples.
>
> I was trying to think of good examples, and I could only come up with Eyes
> on the Prize, but I was sure there were others I was missing, particularly
> outside of documentaries.  Certainly, the issues with documentaries, such
> as the Happy Birthday song and other licensing issues (nightmares?) are
> present too, but I did want to think about Hollywood films as well.  The
> Porgy & Bess case sounds worth looking into.
>
> Friendly regards,
> Allen Reichert
> Electronic Access Librarian
> Otterbein University
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote:
>
>>  A key example of a film that was long considered PD but later protected
>> by underlying rights. There are lots of those and then of course you have
>> literally tens of thousands of mostly European films retroactively
>> copyrighted by GATT. I was thinking more in terms of films that had
>> particularly complex or onerous copyright issues.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Michael May wrote:
>>
>>>  Would “It’s a Wonderful Life” be a good example of a well-known film
>>> with copyright issues?
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Wonderful_Life#Release
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Michael May
>>>
>>> Carnegie-Stout Public Library, Dubuque
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Rosen, Rhonda
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:56 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues***
>>> *
>>>
>>>  ** **
>>>
>>> I was thinking of controversy….
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [
>>> mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:41 PM
>>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues***
>>> *
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> BIRTH has faced only one copyright problem that I know of. Many years
>>> ago the evil Raymond Rohauer using his usual ruse of getting people who
>>> never owned rights to sign them over to me, claimed the rights and took
>>> Killiam Shows to court over it. He lost. As we have gone over  before
>>> different versions of Birth are copyrighted basically by the music tracks
>>> of course now any film made up to  1923 is public domain though specific
>>> VERSIONS of it can be under copyright.
>>>
>>> Now trying to screen BIRTH can cause issues but not related to copyright.
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Rosen, Rhonda 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How about “Birth of a Nation……”
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media & Access Services
>>> William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
>>> One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
>>> rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
>>> http://library.lmu.edu
>>>
>>>  "You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where
>>> people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of
>>> employing wild animals as librarians."
>>> *--Monty Python*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Reichert, Allen
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:21 PM
>>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>>> *Subject:* [

Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

[Reichert, Allen]

Oh- yes - I had forgotten about "It's a Wonderful Life" - that may be the
classic example.

That said, I like Jessica's take on the question too.  We were talking
about music, and there are so many rich examples - the Supreme Court case
with 2 Live Crew, the Biz Markie case, George Harrison's accidental
copying, etc that have ended up in court that make for interesting
examples.

I was trying to think of good examples, and I could only come up with Eyes
on the Prize, but I was sure there were others I was missing, particularly
outside of documentaries.  Certainly, the issues with documentaries, such
as the Happy Birthday song and other licensing issues (nightmares?) are
present too, but I did want to think about Hollywood films as well.  The
Porgy & Bess case sounds worth looking into.

Friendly regards,
Allen Reichert
Electronic Access Librarian
Otterbein University


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote:

>  A key example of a film that was long considered PD but later protected
> by underlying rights. There are lots of those and then of course you have
> literally tens of thousands of mostly European films retroactively
> copyrighted by GATT. I was thinking more in terms of films that had
> particularly complex or onerous copyright issues.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Michael May wrote:
>
>>  Would “It’s a Wonderful Life” be a good example of a well-known film
>> with copyright issues?
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Wonderful_Life#Release
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Michael May
>>
>> Carnegie-Stout Public Library, Dubuque
>>
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Rosen, Rhonda
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:56 PM
>>
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> I was thinking of controversy….
>>
>> R
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [
>> mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu]
>> *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:41 PM
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> BIRTH has faced only one copyright problem that I know of. Many years ago
>> the evil Raymond Rohauer using his usual ruse of getting people who never
>> owned rights to sign them over to me, claimed the rights and took Killiam
>> Shows to court over it. He lost. As we have gone over  before different
>> versions of Birth are copyrighted basically by the music tracks of course
>> now any film made up to  1923 is public domain though specific VERSIONS of
>> it can be under copyright.
>>
>> Now trying to screen BIRTH can cause issues but not related to copyright.
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Rosen, Rhonda 
>> wrote:
>>
>> How about “Birth of a Nation……”
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media & Access Services
>> William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
>> One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
>> rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
>> http://library.lmu.edu
>>
>>  "You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where
>> people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of
>> employing wild animals as librarians."
>> *--Monty Python*
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Reichert, Allen
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:21 PM
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I don't think this has one clear answer, but I had a student ask what
>> movies has faced the most copyright issues?  My initial thought is *Eyes
>> on the Prize*.  Would any of you have others that have faced more, or
>> perhaps more difficult issues?  And, outside of documentaries, what about
>> feature films?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks, as always,
>>
>> Allen Reichert
>>
>> Electronic Access Librarian
>>
&g

Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

[Dennis Doros]

Eyes on the Prize would probably be one of the most elaborate and expensive
to clear the copyrights, though to be fair, those were just because the
clip rights had expired so it really wasn't a copyright issue. Absolutely.

And yes, the court case over IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (more specifically, the
original story that was actually a Christmas card of a few paragraphs and
the song Buffalo Gal) had the most far-reaching effects on copyright since
that victory for Abend vs. MCA had the most far-reaching affects -- in
certain cases, underlying copyrights could be enforced even if the film was
public domain.

The Royal Wedding is an interesting case where the film was public domain
but the widow of Fred Astaire sued a vacuum company and the advertising
firm for the use of it in a commercial (suggesting that he endorsed the
product) and she won.

Abel Gance's NAPOLEON has had a substantial number of lawsuits starting
with the woman who bought the rights from MGM decades ago and sued
Universal and all over the 1980s release. There's been more in France and
here over the years on that film.

We had the music rights clearances for KILLER OF SHEEP that included 22
songs and 32 right permissions to the happy little tune of $150,000. That
took five years to clear. We also had a cease and desist from the Cuban
government and ICAIC the weekend before I AM CUBA opened in 1995 but not
only does Cuba have no right to sue in the United States, but we had
licensed the rights from their co-production partner (Mosfilm) so they
worked it out amongst themselves.

There's a lot of films that had to clear the rights to Martin Luther King's
I HAD A DREAM speech after the fact because of a later legal decision
granting the rights to the speech to Dr. King's estate. (There was just a
story on NPR this past weekend on the legal ramifications of that decision.)

Perhaps the shortest film that had copyright problems (though probably
trademark) would be the Pillsbury Dough Boy parody from the 1960s where he
gets trapped in the hot oven. If Bambi and Godzilla got in trouble (and I
think the filmmakers did) then that would be a close race on shortest film.

Then there's the wonderful SUPERSTAR: THE KAREN CARPENTER STORY by Todd
Haynes that was sent separate Cease and Desists by Richard Carpenter, A&M
Records *and* Mattel.

For other kinds of legal trouble, there's a number of documentaries that
were sued by the subjects. Can I name one? Sorry, not at the moment. I'm
sure there were a few that were on Nixon that got the filmmakers on the
Enemies list. The Swiftboat film GOING DOWN RIVER, a real hatchet job on
John Kerry, was sued for using clips from WINTERSOLDIER that sadly was
settled out of court. I'm sure Mark Rappaport had legal problems over his
films and the use of clip rights. Interestingly enough, LOS ANGELES PLAYS
ITSELF hasn't -- partly because studio bigwigs love the film. And these
days, fair use is more commonplace.


-- 
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Reichert, Allen wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I don't think this has one clear answer, but I had a student ask what
> movies has faced the most copyright issues?  My initial thought is *Eyes
> on the Prize*.  Would any of you have others that have faced more, or
> perhaps more difficult issues?  And, outside of documentaries, what about
> feature films?
>
> Thanks, as always,
> Allen Reichert
> Electronic Access Librarian
> Otterbein University
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working t

Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

[Jessica Rosner]

 A key example of a film that was long considered PD but later protected by
underlying rights. There are lots of those and then of course you have
literally tens of thousands of mostly European films retroactively
copyrighted by GATT. I was thinking more in terms of films that had
particularly complex or onerous copyright issues.

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Michael May  wrote:

>  Would “It’s a Wonderful Life” be a good example of a well-known film
> with copyright issues?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Wonderful_Life#Release
>
> ** **
>
> Michael May
>
> Carnegie-Stout Public Library, Dubuque
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Rosen, Rhonda
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:56 PM
>
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues
>
>  ** **
>
> I was thinking of controversy….
>
> R
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [
> mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu]
> *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:41 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues
>
> ** **
>
> BIRTH has faced only one copyright problem that I know of. Many years ago
> the evil Raymond Rohauer using his usual ruse of getting people who never
> owned rights to sign them over to me, claimed the rights and took Killiam
> Shows to court over it. He lost. As we have gone over  before different
> versions of Birth are copyrighted basically by the music tracks of course
> now any film made up to  1923 is public domain though specific VERSIONS of
> it can be under copyright.
>
> Now trying to screen BIRTH can cause issues but not related to copyright.*
> ***
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Rosen, Rhonda 
> wrote:
>
> How about “Birth of a Nation……”
>
>  
>
> Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media & Access Services
> William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
> One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
> rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
> http://library.lmu.edu
>
>  "You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where
> people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of
> employing wild animals as librarians."
> *--Monty Python*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Reichert, Allen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:21 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues
>
>  
>
> Hi all,
>
>  
>
> I don't think this has one clear answer, but I had a student ask what
> movies has faced the most copyright issues?  My initial thought is *Eyes
> on the Prize*.  Would any of you have others that have faced more, or
> perhaps more difficult issues?  And, outside of documentaries, what about
> feature films?
>
>  
>
> Thanks, as always,
>
> Allen Reichert
>
> Electronic Access Librarian
>
> Otterbein University
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
> ** **
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

[Michael May]

Would "It's a Wonderful Life" be a good example of a well-known film with 
copyright issues? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Wonderful_Life#Release

Michael May
Carnegie-Stout Public Library, Dubuque

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Rosen, Rhonda
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:56 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

I was thinking of controversy
R

From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:41 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

BIRTH has faced only one copyright problem that I know of. Many years ago the 
evil Raymond Rohauer using his usual ruse of getting people who never owned 
rights to sign them over to me, claimed the rights and took Killiam Shows to 
court over it. He lost. As we have gone over  before different versions of 
Birth are copyrighted basically by the music tracks of course now any film made 
up to  1923 is public domain though specific VERSIONS of it can be under 
copyright.

Now trying to screen BIRTH can cause issues but not related to copyright.
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Rosen, Rhonda 
mailto:rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu>> wrote:
How about "Birth of a Nation.."

Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media & Access Services
William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu<mailto:rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu>| 
310/338-4584|
http://library.lmu.edu<http://library.lmu.edu/>
 "You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people 
sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing 
wild animals as librarians."
--Monty Python






From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>]
 On Behalf Of Reichert, Allen
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:21 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

Hi all,

I don't think this has one clear answer, but I had a student ask what movies 
has faced the most copyright issues?  My initial thought is Eyes on the Prize.  
Would any of you have others that have faced more, or perhaps more difficult 
issues?  And, outside of documentaries, what about feature films?

Thanks, as always,
Allen Reichert
Electronic Access Librarian
Otterbein University

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

[Rosen, Rhonda]

I was thinking of controversy
R

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:41 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

BIRTH has faced only one copyright problem that I know of. Many years ago the 
evil Raymond Rohauer using his usual ruse of getting people who never owned 
rights to sign them over to me, claimed the rights and took Killiam Shows to 
court over it. He lost. As we have gone over  before different versions of 
Birth are copyrighted basically by the music tracks of course now any film made 
up to  1923 is public domain though specific VERSIONS of it can be under 
copyright.

Now trying to screen BIRTH can cause issues but not related to copyright.
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Rosen, Rhonda 
mailto:rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu>> wrote:
How about "Birth of a Nation.."

Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media & Access Services
William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu<mailto:rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu>| 
310/338-4584|
http://library.lmu.edu<http://library.lmu.edu/>
 "You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people 
sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing 
wild animals as librarians."
--Monty Python






From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>]
 On Behalf Of Reichert, Allen
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:21 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

Hi all,

I don't think this has one clear answer, but I had a student ask what movies 
has faced the most copyright issues?  My initial thought is Eyes on the Prize.  
Would any of you have others that have faced more, or perhaps more difficult 
issues?  And, outside of documentaries, what about feature films?

Thanks, as always,
Allen Reichert
Electronic Access Librarian
Otterbein University

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

[Jessica Rosner]

BIRTH has faced only one copyright problem that I know of. Many years ago
the evil Raymond Rohauer using his usual ruse of getting people who never
owned rights to sign them over to me, claimed the rights and took Killiam
Shows to court over it. He lost. As we have gone over  before different
versions of Birth are copyrighted basically by the music tracks of course
now any film made up to  1923 is public domain though specific VERSIONS of
it can be under copyright.

Now trying to screen BIRTH can cause issues but not related to copyright.

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Rosen, Rhonda  wrote:

>  How about “Birth of a Nation……”
>
> ** **
>
> Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media & Access Services
> William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
> One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
> rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
> http://library.lmu.edu
>
>  "You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where
> people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of
> employing wild animals as librarians."
> *--Monty Python*
>
>  
>
> ** **
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>  
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> ** **
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>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Reichert, Allen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:21 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues
>
> ** **
>
> Hi all,
>
> ** **
>
> I don't think this has one clear answer, but I had a student ask what
> movies has faced the most copyright issues?  My initial thought is *Eyes
> on the Prize*.  Would any of you have others that have faced more, or
> perhaps more difficult issues?  And, outside of documentaries, what about
> feature films?
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks, as always,
>
> Allen Reichert
>
> Electronic Access Librarian
>
> Otterbein University
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
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Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

[Jessica Rosner]

Depends what you mean by "most" EYES had a ton of music and footage that
was not licensed for DVD so it cost a fortune to do so. The exact same
issues ( well image not music) exist with other films like HOLLYWOOD , THE
PIONEERS, But these issues are at least straightforward. The more complex
ones involve films where there are more questions about who owns what. For
years PORGY AND BESS was kept out largely because the wife of Ira Gershwin
hated it , she has since died but now there are issues involving Goldwyn
and the massive costs of restoring it. Many films are messed up by some
kind of underlying rights or remake rights. This keeps out some of my
favorites including BULLDOG DRUMMOND STRIKES  BACK and HELLZAPOPPIN. In
most cases clearing the rights is simply too expensive to justify.
I recently found out that a major silent film has been removed not because
of any issue with the film itself but because of an extra on the DVD that
the rights holder wanted a silly amount of money to re license. Given that
only a hundred or so copies of this film sold per year , the distributor
decided repressing it without the extra was not financially practical. Most
of the time it does boil down to money one way or the other but there are
cases of stubborn rights holders who just don't want their material out
there either at all or in the most practical way.

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Reichert, Allen wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I don't think this has one clear answer, but I had a student ask what
> movies has faced the most copyright issues?  My initial thought is *Eyes
> on the Prize*.  Would any of you have others that have faced more, or
> perhaps more difficult issues?  And, outside of documentaries, what about
> feature films?
>
> Thanks, as always,
> Allen Reichert
> Electronic Access Librarian
> Otterbein University
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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Re: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

[Rosen, Rhonda]

How about "Birth of a Nation.."

Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media & Access Services
William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
http://library.lmu.edu<http://library.lmu.edu/>
 "You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people 
sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing 
wild animals as librarians."
--Monty Python






From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Reichert, Allen
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:21 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

Hi all,

I don't think this has one clear answer, but I had a student ask what movies 
has faced the most copyright issues?  My initial thought is Eyes on the Prize.  
Would any of you have others that have faced more, or perhaps more difficult 
issues?  And, outside of documentaries, what about feature films?

Thanks, as always,
Allen Reichert
Electronic Access Librarian
Otterbein University
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Movies that faced the most copyright issues

[Reichert, Allen]

Hi all,

I don't think this has one clear answer, but I had a student ask what
movies has faced the most copyright issues?  My initial thought is *Eyes on
the Prize*.  Would any of you have others that have faced more, or perhaps
more difficult issues?  And, outside of documentaries, what about feature
films?

Thanks, as always,
Allen Reichert
Electronic Access Librarian
Otterbein University
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Movies and their setting

[Ball, James (jmb4aw)]

Hi All,

Is there a database or website that includes information on where they're set 
and not country of origin?  So for example, if someone said that they wanted to 
know what movies were set in Casablanca, where could they go to find that?

Cheers,

Matt

__
Matt Ball
Media Services Librarian
University of Virginia
mattb...@virginia.edu
434-924-3812

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Re: [Videolib] movies with librarian archetypes.

[Susan Weber]

If you haven't seen the new J.Edgar movie, there's an extensive scene in 
the Library of Congress,
with J.Edgar (DiCaprio) proudly claiming ownership of the invention of 
the LC system of classification, and demonstrating how

the card catalogue works, in all of its efficiency!

Susan


On 02/12/2011 7:24 PM, Deg Farrelly wrote:

The list Gary posted is terrific.

One of my favorites is Storm Center with Bette Davis as the public library
librarian who refuses to remove a book on communism from the collection.
Never released on commercial DVD, but available as a MOD DVD from
http://www.screenarchives.com/

I'm also fond of the exchange with James Caan in Rollerball:

"So this is not really a library, and you're not really a librarian."
"Oh, no, sir.  I'm only a clerk."

(Paraphrased)





On 12/2/11 1:54 PM, "videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu"
 wrote:

  

How about movies with librarian archetypes.




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Re: [Videolib] movies with librarian archetypes.

[Jana Atkins]

That sounds like Bartlesville, Oklahoma's Ruth Brown.  
http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us/aboutlibrary/missbrown.htm

A storyteller presented her tale at a state-wide library conference a few years 
ago.  Hers is a fascinating story about racism and censorship and local 
politics.  Courageous lady.

Jana Atkins, B.M., M.L.S.
Performing Arts/Multimedia Librarian
University of Central Oklahoma
Max Chambers Library
100 N. University
Edmond, OK  73034
405-974-2949



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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Deg Farrelly
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:25 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] movies with librarian archetypes.

The list Gary posted is terrific.

One of my favorites is Storm Center with Bette Davis as the public library 
librarian who refuses to remove a book on communism from the collection.
Never released on commercial DVD, but available as a MOD DVD from 
http://www.screenarchives.com/

I'm also fond of the exchange with James Caan in Rollerball:

"So this is not really a library, and you're not really a librarian."
"Oh, no, sir.  I'm only a clerk."

(Paraphrased)





On 12/2/11 1:54 PM, "videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu"
 wrote:

>How about movies with librarian archetypes.


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Re: [Videolib] movies with librarian archetypes.

[Deg Farrelly]

The list Gary posted is terrific.

One of my favorites is Storm Center with Bette Davis as the public library
librarian who refuses to remove a book on communism from the collection.
Never released on commercial DVD, but available as a MOD DVD from
http://www.screenarchives.com/

I'm also fond of the exchange with James Caan in Rollerball:

"So this is not really a library, and you're not really a librarian."
"Oh, no, sir.  I'm only a clerk."

(Paraphrased)





On 12/2/11 1:54 PM, "videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu"
 wrote:

>How about movies with librarian archetypes.


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Re: [Videolib] movies

[John Streepy]

Hi 
you may want to explore working in concert with local groups, or campus 
entities, or anyone who would like to help sponsor a movie. 
good luck, 
jhs


John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548

(509) 963-2861
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media

"Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"

Transitus profusum est nocens!




>>> Debra Downs  6/28/2011 9:01 AM >>>
Hi All,

I am from a small academic library that would like to begin showing movies for 
programming.  I have found several licensing options, but would like to get 
some input from all of you, and, as we are "fiscally challenged" in these 
timesany info would be greatly appreciated.


Debbie Downs
Library Circulation Coordinator
College of the Menominee Nation
715-799-6226 x3185

"A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new."
Albert Einstein



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[Videolib] movies

[Debra Downs]

Hi All,

I am from a small academic library that would like to begin showing movies for 
programming.  I have found several licensing options, but would like to get 
some input from all of you, and, as we are "fiscally challenged" in these 
timesany info would be greatly appreciated.


Debbie Downs
Library Circulation Coordinator
College of the Menominee Nation
715-799-6226 x3185
 
"A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new."
Albert Einstein



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