Re: [Videolib] Humor? DVD Licensing
Follow-up: I talked with the filmmaker and clarified their intentions. All is good now. As I suspected, they just really haven't done DVD sales to libraries before. ~Barb VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Humor? DVD Licensing
I kind of suspected that too. The language was kind of like a mixed up cut and paste. Glad it worked out. On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Bergman, Barbara J barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu wrote: Follow-up: I talked with the filmmaker and clarified their intentions. All is good now. As I suspected, they just really haven’t done DVD sales to libraries before. ~Barb ** ** VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Humor? DVD Licensing
Barb, were they willing to alter the license terms? Sent from my iPad On Dec 17, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Bergman, Barbara J barbara.berg...@mnsu.edumailto:barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu wrote: Follow-up: I talked with the filmmaker and clarified their intentions. All is good now. As I suspected, they just really haven’t done DVD sales to libraries before. ~Barb VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Humor? DVD Licensing
Aaaand I think we're all about to get more requests for this title -- looks like they have a good publicity push behind the film: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/12/14/sexy_baby_a_new_documentary_explores_sex_and_the_internet.html I've found that one of the more challenging parts of my job can be to get an instructor to shift focus once they've decided on a film. If they get a title in their head, they tend to want that and only that -- even if there are equal or even better alternatives. I'm hoping that after this independent distributor starts to hear from more and more potential customers explaining why these terms make no sense and they can't buy the dvd, they'll revise them. Best, * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 12/13/2012 6:25 PM, Bergman, Barbara J wrote: Title and its content wasn't my point. The film was requested by the Women's Center because they'll like to do a campus screening. I've warned her that they may need to pick something else. I'm guessing filmmaker is trying to do everything independently instead of going through one of our fine distributors and they doesn't understand that library DVD sales are different than theatrical distribution. We'll see... Barb VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Humor? DVD Licensing
Not a lot of sales with those restrictions. #2 and 3 are bizarre mishmosh of various uses. Also are they selling this title retail or through third party vendors to individuals? As I posted many times they can restrict a sale by contract but they can't do it after the fact or reduce rights otherwise acceptable under 209 210 unless they make it explicit at point of sale and control all sales. I assume you are taking a pass. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Bergman, Barbara J barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu wrote: Yes, these are the exact words found on the website for a newly released DVD. After generously (sarcasm font) granting me classroom screening rights, they un-grant PPR in bullet 3, and forbid library lending in bullet 4. This is me beating head on desk before contacting them to talk about sections 109 110 and normal acceptable terms of sale. 1. The institutional price comes with the license to screen the film for audiences, unlike a home video fee which only includes the license to watch the film in your home. 2. Purchase effectively means lease for the life of the DVD. Price includes public performance rights for classroom, organizational, or library use by the acquiring institution for non-paying audiences only. 3. Any screenings that are open to the public or where admission is charged will result in additional rental fees. Please specify on the order form if this applies. 4. DVD must not leave custody of the licensor, no lending out (from library location or otherwise), absolutely no copying. 5. Proof of institute status required. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Humor? DVD Licensing
Barb I'm so glad you posted this. Last week I returned a DVD for a refund after seeing the licensing terms. The vendor was really unhappy and didn't want to give me a refund but thank goodness it worked out. Are people just randomly making up their terms??? I think yes. Sarah Sent from my iPad On Dec 13, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.commailto:maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: Not a lot of sales with those restrictions. #2 and 3 are bizarre mishmosh of various uses. Also are they selling this title retail or through third party vendors to individuals? As I posted many times they can restrict a sale by contract but they can't do it after the fact or reduce rights otherwise acceptable under 209 210 unless they make it explicit at point of sale and control all sales. I assume you are taking a pass. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Bergman, Barbara J barbara.berg...@mnsu.edumailto:barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu wrote: Yes, these are the exact words found on the website for a newly released DVD. After generously (sarcasm font) granting me classroom screening rights, they un-grant PPR in bullet 3, and forbid library lending in bullet 4. This is me beating head on desk before contacting them to talk about sections 109 110 and normal acceptable terms of sale. 1. The institutional price comes with the license to screen the film for audiences, unlike a home video fee which only includes the license to watch the film in your home. 2. Purchase effectively means lease for the life of the DVD. Price includes public performance rights for classroom, organizational, or library use by the acquiring institution for non-paying audiences only. 3. Any screenings that are open to the public or where admission is charged will result in additional rental fees. Please specify on the order form if this applies. 4. DVD must not leave custody of the licensor, no lending out (from library location or otherwise), absolutely no copying. 5. Proof of institute status required. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945tel:%28507%29%20389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edumailto:barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Humor? DVD Licensing
Slightly OT Sarah but years ago I produced a DVD series of silent films by women directors (I hope you all have a copy) and it was about the only Kino title that you could NOT buy retail or through a third party ( an experiment of sorts) Anyway I sold a copy to a state school in CA and they insisted before they would pay for it that I sign a statement affirming Kino was a drug free environment I refused on civil liberties grounds that it was absurd, what next I sign a statement affirming it was a rape and murder free environment? So I told them to return it if they could not pay. The librarian actually threatened to report me to state authorities ( as this was some rule of theirs) and get Kino cut off from sales to CA institutions but she did pay and I never signed the form. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Sarah E. McCleskey sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu wrote: Barb I'm so glad you posted this. Last week I returned a DVD for a refund after seeing the licensing terms. The vendor was really unhappy and didn't want to give me a refund but thank goodness it worked out. Are people just randomly making up their terms??? I think yes. Sarah Sent from my iPad On Dec 13, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: Not a lot of sales with those restrictions. #2 and 3 are bizarre mishmosh of various uses. Also are they selling this title retail or through third party vendors to individuals? As I posted many times they can restrict a sale by contract but they can't do it after the fact or reduce rights otherwise acceptable under 209 210 unless they make it explicit at point of sale and control all sales. I assume you are taking a pass. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Bergman, Barbara J barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu wrote: Yes, these are the exact words found on the website for a newly released DVD. After generously (sarcasm font) granting me classroom screening rights, they un-grant PPR in bullet 3, and forbid library lending in bullet 4. This is me beating head on desk before contacting them to talk about sections 109 110 and normal acceptable terms of sale. 1. The institutional price comes with the license to screen the film for audiences, unlike a home video fee which only includes the license to watch the film in your home. 2. Purchase effectively means lease for the life of the DVD. Price includes public performance rights for classroom, organizational, or library use by the acquiring institution for non-paying audiences only. 3. Any screenings that are open to the public or where admission is charged will result in additional rental fees. Please specify on the order form if this applies. 4. DVD must not leave custody of the licensor, no lending out (from library location or otherwise), absolutely no copying. 5. Proof of institute status required. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Humor? DVD Licensing
Though Barbara doesn't mention the title of the video, pasting the license terms into Google quickly returned the link to the vendor. My immediate reactionŠ. What is there in this film that is not already covered in a number of other videos, particularly the Media Education Foundation titles Sext up Kids and Price of Pleasure or the CBC title also distributed by FMG: Buying into Sexy. Not questioning Barb on the selection of the titleŠ I think it's interesting too. But if distributors make it too difficult for usŠ. Often there is comparable alternative content available. -deg deg farrelly, Media Librarian Arizona State University Libraries Hayden Library C1H1 P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, Arizona 85287-1006 Phone: 602.332.3103 On 12/13/12 3:14 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: Yes, these are the exact words found on the website for a newly released DVD. After generously (sarcasm font) granting me classroom screening rights, they un-grant PPR in bullet 3, and forbid library lending in bullet 4. This is me beating head on desk before contacting them to talk about sections 109 110 and normal acceptable terms of sale. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Humor? DVD Licensing
Title and its content wasn't my point. The film was requested by the Women's Center because they'll like to do a campus screening. I've warned her that they may need to pick something else. I'm guessing filmmaker is trying to do everything independently instead of going through one of our fine distributors and they doesn't understand that library DVD sales are different than theatrical distribution. We'll see... Barb VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Humor? DVD Licensing
Now I am a bit more confused. The director was not willing to sell you a copy with REAL PPR rights for a reasonable fee? What fee did they want for purchase with rights to show on campus or did they have one? On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Bergman, Barbara J barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu wrote: Title and its content wasn't my point. The film was requested by the Women's Center because they'll like to do a campus screening. I've warned her that they may need to pick something else. I'm guessing filmmaker is trying to do everything independently instead of going through one of our fine distributors and they doesn't understand that library DVD sales are different than theatrical distribution. We'll see... Barb VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
