Re: [Videolib] Libraries that stream their own titles (Carla Myers)
deg and I are developing a follow up survey to our Streaming Video Survey we conducted a year ago. This may be a question we add to our survey. We had a great return rate and hopefully we can use the follow-up for comparison as to what has happened in the past year. Times they are a-changing! Regards, Jane Jane B. Hutchison Associate Director Instruction Research Technology 300 Pompton Road Wayne, NJ 07470 (w)973-720-2980 (cell) 973-418-7727 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Horbal Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:22 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Libraries that stream their own titles (Carla Myers) Hi Scott, It would be interesting to attempt a comprehensive survey of the people responsible for classroom management at a set of institutions (the membership of CCUMC, maybe?) about how long they think it will be before they no longer support the use of physical media. I'd be happy to work on something like this if you'd like to pursue it further! Andy From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of scott spicer Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:02 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Libraries that stream their own titles (Carla Myers) While I enjoy the back and forth on streaming fair use interpretation (and by all means please continue), I would also be interested in shifting the discussion somewhat to the future of educational media/independent film distribution. This is more of a pragmatic than legal interpretation issue. Just a provocation here... Like many campuses, I suspect, we are likely looking at a 1 to 3 year window (5 tops) before we are facing an issue of essentially institutional obsolescence. What is institutional obsolescence? I define it as the point at which standalone VHS/DVD players are no longer available or supported in most campus classrooms (regardless of whether the machine or device necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace, (Sec. 108c(2)) - though VHS is can't be too far away despite arguments to the contrary). I used to think that the transition from VHS to DVD acquisitions bought us some time. However, with players being proactively pulled from classrooms upon remodel or replacement refresh, and a high likelihood that laptops will soon no longer come with built-in DVD players (try buying any Macbook with one built-in, I've bought 2 in the last nine months - not possible), I am starting to think that all physical formats will be institutionally obsolete at the same dreaded time. With a campus our size (3 sub-campuses in one location, ~50k students) it is simply not feasible for the Libraries to get into the classroom management business nor are we going to start checking out players (realistically, what instructor is gonna be shlepping around VCR's/DVD players/Thunderbolt peripherals?). Sure a very few media intensive departments may decide to start supporting their own classrooms with a few players, but I am betting the coverage will be spottier than ATT. We don't currently have a great solution for this, so we need to be considering options and I am optimistic deeper campus conversations will start soon enough. That said, I wonder how long it is until other campuses are in the same boat? When will we be at a point of critical mass when physical media is no longer institutionally viable - truly institutional obsolete? To be sure, we will still have the lingering [at that point] legacy media digitization question, but I think it will be interesting to see if the calculus changes undershort the pressure. Will the educational media/independent (and theatrical film shortly thereafter for that matter) become a purely digital, licensed distribution model (see: Ambrose). Dennis, I wouldn't be reaching for the grapefruit margarita just yet. The Empire may strike back. Best, Scott On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:58 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: Send videolib mailing list submissions to videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu You can reach the person managing the list at videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of videolib digest... Today's Topics: 1
Re: [Videolib] Libraries that stream their own titles (Carla Myers)
While I enjoy the back and forth on streaming fair use interpretation (and by all means please continue), I would also be interested in shifting the discussion somewhat to the future of educational media/independent film distribution. This is more of a pragmatic than legal interpretation issue. Just a provocation here... Like many campuses, I suspect, we are likely looking at a 1 to 3 year window (5 tops) before we are facing an issue of essentially institutional obsolescence. What is institutional obsolescence? I define it as the point at which standalone VHS/DVD players are no longer available or supported in most campus classrooms (regardless of whether the machine or device necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace, (Sec. 108c(2)) - though VHS is can't be too far away despite arguments to the contrary). I used to think that the transition from VHS to DVD acquisitions bought us some time. However, with players being *proactively* pulled from classrooms upon remodel or replacement refresh, and a high likelihood that laptops will soon no longer come with built-in DVD players (try buying *any* Macbook with one built-in, I've bought 2 in the last nine months - not possible), I am starting to think that all physical formats will be institutionally obsolete at the same dreaded time. With a campus our size (3 sub-campuses in one location, ~50k students) it is simply not feasible for the Libraries to get into the classroom management business nor are we going to start checking out players (realistically, what instructor is gonna be shlepping around VCR's/DVD players/Thunderbolt peripherals?). Sure a very few media intensive departments may decide to start supporting their own classrooms with a few players, but I am betting the coverage will be spottier than ATT. We don't currently have a great solution for this, so we need to be considering options and I am optimistic deeper campus conversations will start soon enough. That said, I wonder how long it is until other campuses are in the same boat? When will we be at a point of critical mass when physical media is no longer institutionally viable - truly institutional obsolete? To be sure, we will still have the lingering [at that point] legacy media digitization question, but I think it will be interesting to see if the calculus changes undershort the pressure. Will the educational media/independent (and theatrical film shortly thereafter for that matter) become a purely digital, licensed distribution model (see: Ambrose). Dennis, I wouldn't be reaching for the grapefruit margarita just yet. The Empire may strike back. Best, Scott On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:58 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: Send videolib mailing list submissions to videolib@lists.berkeley.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu You can reach the person managing the list at videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of videolib digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Libraries that stream their own titles (Carla Myers) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:58:46 + From: Carla Myers cmye...@uccs.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Libraries that stream their own titles To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: 4797094fac10a249a80d43c889b7b7abb6596...@uccs-ex4.uccs.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Jessica I am not aware of any statute in that law that explicitly states ?go ahead and stream films!? However I can think of no statue in the law that states ?you absolutely cannot stream films.? Again, everything comes down to performing a thoughtful and thorough fair use analysis in which you consider all of the facts of the situation. I agree that streaming a film online for purely entertainment purposes would most likely not be a fair use. However if you?re thinking of streaming a film, be it a documentary or a popular film, to a password protected campus content management system (like Blackboard) you could have a strong case for fair use, especially when the subject of the film is directly related to the course topic and will be utilized as part of class instruction activities. For example? Say I?m teaching an online class on the history of opera. As part of my instruction I want my students to view five different operas from five different time periods so that they can compare and contrast operatic styles over the ages. First I?m going to check to see if any performances of the operas in question
Re: [Videolib] Libraries that stream their own titles (Carla Myers)
Hi Scott, It would be interesting to attempt a comprehensive survey of the people responsible for classroom management at a set of institutions (the membership of CCUMC, maybe?) about how long they think it will be before they no longer support the use of physical media. I'd be happy to work on something like this if you'd like to pursue it further! Andy From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of scott spicer Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:02 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Libraries that stream their own titles (Carla Myers) While I enjoy the back and forth on streaming fair use interpretation (and by all means please continue), I would also be interested in shifting the discussion somewhat to the future of educational media/independent film distribution. This is more of a pragmatic than legal interpretation issue. Just a provocation here... Like many campuses, I suspect, we are likely looking at a 1 to 3 year window (5 tops) before we are facing an issue of essentially institutional obsolescence. What is institutional obsolescence? I define it as the point at which standalone VHS/DVD players are no longer available or supported in most campus classrooms (regardless of whether the machine or device necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace, (Sec. 108c(2)) - though VHS is can't be too far away despite arguments to the contrary). I used to think that the transition from VHS to DVD acquisitions bought us some time. However, with players being proactively pulled from classrooms upon remodel or replacement refresh, and a high likelihood that laptops will soon no longer come with built-in DVD players (try buying any Macbook with one built-in, I've bought 2 in the last nine months - not possible), I am starting to think that all physical formats will be institutionally obsolete at the same dreaded time. With a campus our size (3 sub-campuses in one location, ~50k students) it is simply not feasible for the Libraries to get into the classroom management business nor are we going to start checking out players (realistically, what instructor is gonna be shlepping around VCR's/DVD players/Thunderbolt peripherals?). Sure a very few media intensive departments may decide to start supporting their own classrooms with a few players, but I am betting the coverage will be spottier than ATT. We don't currently have a great solution for this, so we need to be considering options and I am optimistic deeper campus conversations will start soon enough. That said, I wonder how long it is until other campuses are in the same boat? When will we be at a point of critical mass when physical media is no longer institutionally viable - truly institutional obsolete? To be sure, we will still have the lingering [at that point] legacy media digitization question, but I think it will be interesting to see if the calculus changes undershort the pressure. Will the educational media/independent (and theatrical film shortly thereafter for that matter) become a purely digital, licensed distribution model (see: Ambrose). Dennis, I wouldn't be reaching for the grapefruit margarita just yet. The Empire may strike back. Best, Scott On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:58 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: Send videolib mailing list submissions to videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu You can reach the person managing the list at videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of videolib digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Libraries that stream their own titles (Carla Myers) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:58:46 + From: Carla Myers cmye...@uccs.edumailto:cmye...@uccs.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Libraries that stream their own titles To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: 4797094fac10a249a80d43c889b7b7abb6596...@uccs-ex4.uccs.edumailto:4797094fac10a249a80d43c889b7b7abb6596...@uccs-ex4.uccs.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Jessica I am not aware of any statute in that law that explicitly states ?go ahead and stream films!? However I can think of no statue in the law that states ?you absolutely
