Re: [VM] gmail issue
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Uday Reddy wrote: James Freer writes: Could this be a problem with the new gmail UI and the way it handles replies. I notice they've removed it for this weekend which makes me think there are some problems to be sorted. In which case your problem could disappear. There do seem to be changes... and bugs. The gmail IMAP server is not at present responding to the LOGOUT command. So, VM hangs waiting to hear back from the server. I hope they will fix this soon. Mark Diekhans writes: Google groups doesn't send you a copy of your message when you post to a list. We have been told they view this as a `feature' which there is no control over. Sounds like they added the same `feature' to gmail :-( Yeah, I think they have made an ill-thought out change here. There are possible work-arounds in VM using virtual folders. I will post them here when I have them working. Cheers, Uday Uday Trouble is you spend time doing mods for users and then gmail change things. I want to use VM but for the moment i've stayed with alpine. The last time we were in touch i was going to install Xubuntu 12.04 only to discover that it was still on Emacs 23. Stunnel gave trouble and Emacs 24 was solving this. I've had so much to do i haven't tried xubuntu 12.11 so the next upgrade for me will be 13.04 when i hope to have VM running. many thanks for all your hard work. james
Re: [VM] Email dangers portrayed in media
Hi Uday Sorry about the swearing. I realized, as soon as I sent off my earlier message, that I should have added a warning about it. But, having watched the whole series, I felt that, underneath all that crudity, there was a lot of subtle reality that was portrayed. I am planning to get all the old series from LoveFilm and watch them too. It is not that one should be warned about it. Just that a lot of swearing imo portrays a bad image. Some do swear a lot if they have been brought up with that background. There is certainly a lot of subtle reality there but ruined by the swearing. Another trend that has come up in the last few years is that people can't be bothered to maintain an address book. If they want to send you a message, they go and look for an old message you sent them and do a reply. Now, imagine they copy somebody in, and imagine that they have top-posting turned on by default! The problem with an address book; is that with windows one can get a virus and then send to contacts along with the mbox file being trassed, or if one uses webmail yahoo somehow the same thing can happen. My sister had a Viagra advert sent to all contacts... very embarrassing. I had a similar experience when i used aol but no embarrassment. Gmail UI seems more secure in that respect but their big negative is to hide bottom portion of the message which is why i went back to using an email client again. The point of this thread, however, is not to complain about top-posting, but rather to point out that it is *dangerous*. VM users are not immune from it. If you use vm-reply-include-text a lot, you are doing exactly the same thing that the Outlook-users do, and you might get burnt some day! Yes and sorry i didn't mean to digress. The danger is there particularly since gmail hide the bottom portion of the message. james
Re: [VM] Email dangers portrayed in media
Gmail's lacks what seems to be the most basic e-mail: you can't get e-mail message out of it uncorrupted: - There is no way to forward a message as an attachment. So you can't have someone join a thread just by forwarding the message to them. - There is no way to save messages to a file. I use Alpine and one can save an email as text with/without headers. With the gmail UI one can print to pdf... but i don't think you mean that. I'm switching to VM as soon as xubuntu gets emacs 24 on board. Just joined the VM list in advance. That said, gmail is a great imap server for VM :-) I use it as i was so disappointed with yahoo, aol and others. Gmail does seem to be the best unless one is setting up a mail server. james
