Re: [VM] Beginner VM questions
Julian Bradfield writes: Urgh. mbox format is totally sick. From-stuffing will screw you whatever you do. mbox format is the most evil Unix legacy not yet exterminated. I recommend mmdf format. (Not ideal, but I've never yet had cause to send a mail including the mmdf delimiter.) Hi Julian, VM doesn't do any From-stuffing. Some other Unix tools do. So, as long as VM is fetching mail from POP3 servers and putting it in own mbox, there are no problems. Cheers, Uday
Re: [VM] Beginner VM questions
Hi Julian, VM doesn't do any From-stuffing. Some other Unix tools do. So, as long as VM is fetching mail from POP3 servers and putting it in own mbox, there are no problems. If it doesn't From-stuff, how does it handle messages that might contain text such as From a load of junk 42 Subject: this isn't really a message nor is this the body
Re: [VM] Beginner VM questions
Julian Bradfield writes: On 2012-09-20, Uday Reddy usr.vm.ro...@gmail.com wrote: If you are commiting to using VM, then your best bet is to keep VM folders in its native mbox format, and work with Mutt and VM in parallel for a Urgh. mbox format is totally sick. From-stuffing will screw you whatever you do. mbox format is the most evil Unix legacy not yet exterminated. I recommend mmdf format. (Not ideal, but I've never yet had cause to send a mail including the mmdf delimiter.) I'm not familiar with mmdf. Does VM support any file-per-message formats? I'm only aware of Maildir and MH, but I thought there might be a shot. Thanks, -pd -- Peter Davis The Tech Curmudgeon www.techcurmudgeon.com
Re: [VM] Beginner VM questions
Peter Davis writes: I'm not familiar with mmdf. Does VM support any file-per-message formats? I'm only aware of Maildir and MH, but I thought there might be a shot. No, MMDF is also a bulk folder format. The only file-per-message support that I know of is the virtual folder method I mentioned earlier. Cheers, Uday
Re: [VM] Beginner VM questions
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:15:50PM -0400, Peter Davis wrote: Ok, on a totally different tack, I currently have mutt setup so I can 1) Fetch my mail from a few different accounts on various POP3 servers, 2) Store it in Maildir format, and 3) Read it with mutt Can I do this with VM? I've found some sites that reference using Maildir as a spool, but I want to use the POP3 servers as the spool, and store it locally in Maildir format. (I think the last time I used VM, about 10 years ago or more, I was storing in MH format.) If there any examples of how to set this up in my .vm file, that would be a huge help. Ok, since this was met with stoney silence, and my searches for using VM with Maildir haven't been too fruitful, how about MH format? I assume VM still supports that, right? I could convert my Maildir folders back to MH (as they were originally). Then I'd be using VM to fetch new mail from POP3 servers and add it to the MH repository, and of course to read, reply, forward, etc. Thanks, -pd P.S. - Apologies again for sending with mutt. My .vm is currently a shambles as I tried getting Maildir working. -- Peter Davis The Tech Curmudgeon - http://www.techcurmudgeon.com
Re: [VM] Beginner VM questions
Peter Davis writes: Ok, since this was met with stoney silence, and my searches for using VM with Maildir haven't been too fruitful, how about MH format? I assume VM still supports that, right? Sorry, Peter. You are out luck. VM doesn't support either mailder or MH format (yet). There is an on-going wishlist item, but I have no idea when we will get to it. The only support VM has for any maildir-like format is that it can define virtual folders over directories. I presume it would look something like this: (setq vm-virtual-folder-alist '( ;; start virtual folder definition (virtual-folder-name ((/path/to/maildir1 /path/to/maildir2) (header foo) ) ) ;; end of virtual folder definition ;; more virtual folders if needed ) ) If this set-up works, you will be able to at least read the maildir folders. I don't think you will be able to operate on them. If you want full inter-operability with your Mutt set-up, I think it won't be possible. I could convert my Maildir folders back to MH (as they were originally). Then I'd be using VM to fetch new mail from POP3 servers and add it to the MH repository, and of course to read, reply, forward, etc. If you are commiting to using VM, then your best bet is to keep VM folders in its native mbox format, and work with Mutt and VM in parallel for a while. Once you are sure you are comfortable with VM, you can convert maildir/MH folders to mbox folders. I think MH has a way of doing it. There is no problem with accessing POP3 servers from VM, or downloading mail from them into VM folders. Cheers, Uday
Re: [VM] Beginner VM questions
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 05:26:17PM +0100, Uday Reddy wrote: Peter Davis writes: Ok, since this was met with stoney silence, and my searches for using VM with Maildir haven't been too fruitful, how about MH format? I assume VM still supports that, right? Sorry, Peter. You are out luck. VM doesn't support either mailder or MH format (yet). There is an on-going wishlist item, but I have no idea when we will get to it. Thanks, Uday. I was pretty sure I was using VM with MH-format folders about 10 or 11 years ago, but that was probably a whole different incarnation of VM. If you are commiting to using VM, then your best bet is to keep VM folders in its native mbox format, and work with Mutt and VM in parallel for a while. Once you are sure you are comfortable with VM, you can convert maildir/MH folders to mbox folders. I think MH has a way of doing it. There is no problem with accessing POP3 servers from VM, or downloading mail from them into VM folders. I was going to try a few different MUAs in parallel, to see the benefits and shortcomings of each. I suppose I could setup VM to fetch POP3 messages without deleting them from the server, right? Then I could have separate mbox and Maildir archives for a while. Thank you! -pd
Re: [VM] Beginner VM questions
On 2012-09-20, Uday Reddy usr.vm.ro...@gmail.com wrote: If you are commiting to using VM, then your best bet is to keep VM folders in its native mbox format, and work with Mutt and VM in parallel for a Urgh. mbox format is totally sick. From-stuffing will screw you whatever you do. mbox format is the most evil Unix legacy not yet exterminated. I recommend mmdf format. (Not ideal, but I've never yet had cause to send a mail including the mmdf delimiter.)
Re: [VM] Beginner VM questions
I'm sorry this if this is a duplicate. I tried to respond earlier from VM, but as far as I can tell, the message was never sent. At Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:33:59 +0100, Uday Reddy wrote: Peter Davis writes: 1) How can I send messages? I've tried 'm' and M-x vm-mail, but I just get the error: Symbol's function is void: vm-select-recipient-from-sender I think something went wrong in the packaging of the beta release you are using. If you do `r' for some message then the library gets loaded, and then you can kill that dummy reply buffer and continue. Ok. Thanks! 3) Can I go from IMAP folder to IMAP folder without leaving a trail of open Summary and Presentation buffers? There isn't anything built-in to do that. But it is easy enough to define a function for yourself, something along the lines of: (defun switch () (interactive) (call-interactively 'vm-quit t) (call-interactively 'vm-visit-imap-folder t)) Thanks. This seems very useful. Maybe I can find a way to tie it to the vm-list-imap-folders function so it will automatically go to the next folder with unread messages. It is necessary to quit the previous folder first. Otherwise, whatever changes you have made to the folder won't be written to the server. This is along the general Emacs principle of working with buffers separately from files, in a non-synchronous way. (I know, the world is going the way of 'Google Docs' where everything gets written to the server instantaneously. We believe in the server being in a 'fire safe'. You have to open and close the safe every time. Otherwise it is liable to go up in a fire some day! Metaphorically speaking of course.) I have no objection to the off-line editing model. It would be nice to be able to close one folder and open another within a single IMAP connection, but that's just an optimization. Sounds like you are doing most of the heavy lifting on VM yourself, Uday. If I ever learn enough VM (and enough Lisp), I'll try to help out. Thanks! -pd
Re: [VM] Beginner VM questions
Ok, on a totally different tack, I currently have mutt setup so I can 1) Fetch my mail from a few different accounts on various POP3 servers, 2) Store it in Maildir format, and 3) Read it with mutt Can I do this with VM? I've found some sites that reference using Maildir as a spool, but I want to use the POP3 servers as the spool, and store it locally in Maildir format. (I think the last time I used VM, about 10 years ago or more, I was storing in MH format.) If there any examples of how to set this up in my .vm file, that would be a huge help. Thank you. -pd
