Re: [VM] VM-Pcrisis and smtp servers
> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019, Uday Reddy wrote: > I am wondering if anybody has figured out how to program VM-Pcrisis > (VMPC) to set smtp servers based on the message being composed? > I know that Rob F used to recommend using esmtpmail.el for this > purpose. But it seems that VMPC ought to be able to do it. One possible solution is to customise send-mail-function to point to message-multi-smtp-send-mail. Then add a line like following line to each entry in vmpc-actions: (vmpc-substitute-header "X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp mail.example.com 587 mylogin") message-multi-smtp-send-mail will evaluate that header line and redirect the message to the appropriate SMTP server. Of course, this isn't a standalone solution either, but relies on message.el from Gnus. Ulrich
[VM] VM-pcrisis and the From header
Hi, I have set up vm-pcrisis to set my From: line based on which account I'm replying to emails from (IYSWIM). This seems to mostly work, but there's one slight annoyance - setting the from line results in it being the last header, whereas I'd rather it was at the top of my mail buffer. I appreciate this is hardly the most critical thing ever, but I'm used to eyeballing the top line of my Mail buffers for From. Can I arrange for vmpc to put it there? Thanks, Matthew -- `O'-0 `O'---. `O'---. `O'---. \___| | \___|0-/ \___|/\___| | | /\ | | \ | |\ | | The Dangers of modern veterinary life
Re: [VM] VM-pcrisis and the From header
Matthew Vernon writes: Hi, I have set up vm-pcrisis to set my From: line based on which account I'm replying to emails from (IYSWIM). This seems to mostly work, but there's one slight annoyance - setting the from line results in it being the last header, whereas I'd rather it was at the top of my mail buffer. I have always found it to put the From header at the top of the mail buffer. The preset value of `vm-mail-header-order' has From at the top. So, unless you changed the variable, that is where it should be. Cheers, Uday
Re: [VM] VM-pcrisis and the From header
Matthew Vernon writes: Ah. If I set vm-mail-header-from and let vm-pcrisis change it, then it appears at the top. If I leave vm-mail-header-from as nil, and let vm-pcrisis create the header, it ends up at the bottom. It probably means that VM's header-ordering works before VMPC does its hacking. So, if you set the variable to nil, there would have been no From header when the header-ordering happens. So, don't set the variable to nil. VMPC is an add-on. You can't expect it to be perfect. Cheers, Uday
Re: [VM] vm-pcrisis
Jay Borkenhagen writes: One thing that isn't quite working as I used to have or as is documented in the texinfo is the prompting. Per the texinfo: One thing to bear in mind is that when you are prompted, there will be auto-completion available -- you'll only need to type enough to uniquely identify a profile (you won't even need to hit TAB). I find that I do need to hit tab now to get the auto-completion. I have now investigated what has happened to VMPC. VMPC was written by Rob Hodges, and probably posted on the VM newsgroup. Rob Fenk picked it up and included it in his unofficial distribution, which eventually became the current VM distribution (VM 8.0.x, 8.1.x,...). In July 2006, Rob Fenk writes in the development log Added vm-pcrisis.texi and set versions of VMPC to 1.0 The maintainer will not come back so I will take over! which suggests that Rob Hodges had discontinued contact and the control passed to Rob Fenk. I see that Rob F made significant changes to VMPC, some that are not consistent with the manual. He did not always update the manual to reflect the changes. The inconsistency you found here is an instance of that situation. In the original VMPC, a profile was a single VMPC action, which was auto-completed. Rob F changed profile to mean a list of actions, and the list elements had to be entered by typing RET. So, I presume auto-completion via RET was discarded. The doc string for `vmpc-prompt-for-profile' describes what is going on. The manual continues to say what it used to say, but the code has diverged. I would agree that this is an unsatisfactory situation. But there have been regular users of VMPC on this list, and they don't seem to have complained about these issues. And, users like you that continued to use old versions didn't complain either. Now Rob F has also discontinued contact. So, until and unless we get a new maintainer for VMPC, we have to make do with what we have. I might at some point decide to write my own version of VMPC. But it will be a new package which will strive to avoid all the mess with the current package. I won't bother to maintain consistency with any of the existing versions. Cheers, Uday
Re: [VM] vm-pcrisis
Hi Jay, when I corrected the two typos in your customization (changing `vmpc-action-alist' to `vmpc-actions-alist', and `vmpc-replies-alist' to `vmpc-reply-alist'), it ran perfectly fine as you were wanting. By the way, I recommend using standard symbols, e.g., always-true, instead of elaborate strings like condition that's always true. The more fancy you make these names, the more chance of typos there will be. And, they don't have to be strings either. I don't know why Rob Hodges was so fond of strings. Symbols work perfectly fine. Cheers, Uday (require 'vm-pcrisis) (setq vmpc-conditions '( (condition that's always true 't ))) (setq vmpc-actions '( (work (vmpc-substitute-header From Jay Borkenhagen j...@work.com) (vmpc-substitute-header Reply-To Jay Borkenhagen j...@work.com) ) (braeburn (vmpc-substitute-header From Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org) (vmpc-substitute-header Reply-To Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org) ) (prompt for a profile (vmpc-prompt-for-profile) ) ) ) (setq vmpc-action-alist '( (condition that's always true prompt for a profile) ) ) (setq vmpc-newmail-alist '( (condition that's always true prompt for a profile) ) ) (setq vmpc-replies-alist '( (condition that's always true prompt for a profile) ) ) ;;; END pcrisis stuff ;
Re: [VM] vm-pcrisis
Thanks, Uday! I guess I did not suspect that I had some typos of that kind because I did not receive any error messages. As for the overly-elaborate strings: I agree with you wholeheartedly. I was using them only to help me stick closer to the texinfo manual. If you would like me to take a shot at simplifying/correcting the texinfo, I would gladly do so as my contribution to the cause. One thing that isn't quite working as I used to have or as is documented in the texinfo is the prompting. Per the texinfo: One thing to bear in mind is that when you are prompted, there will be auto-completion available -- you'll only need to type enough to uniquely identify a profile (you won't even need to hit TAB). I find that I do need to hit tab now to get the auto-completion. If my two profiles are work and braeburn, I would like to be able to type w RET and have vm-pcrisis behave as if I had entered the entire work RET. But now w RET leaves 'Action w does not exist!' in the minibuffer. Jay B. Uday Reddy writes: Hi Jay, when I corrected the two typos in your customization (changing `vmpc-action-alist' to `vmpc-actions-alist', and `vmpc-replies-alist' to `vmpc-reply-alist'), it ran perfectly fine as you were wanting. By the way, I recommend using standard symbols, e.g., always-true, instead of elaborate strings like condition that's always true. The more fancy you make these names, the more chance of typos there will be. And, they don't have to be strings either. I don't know why Rob Hodges was so fond of strings. Symbols work perfectly fine. Cheers, Uday (require 'vm-pcrisis) (setq vmpc-conditions '( (condition that's always true 't ))) (setq vmpc-actions '( (work (vmpc-substitute-header From Jay Borkenhagen j...@work.com) (vmpc-substitute-header Reply-To Jay Borkenhagen j...@work.com) ) (braeburn (vmpc-substitute-header From Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org) (vmpc-substitute-header Reply-To Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org) ) (prompt for a profile (vmpc-prompt-for-profile) ) ) ) (setq vmpc-action-alist '( (condition that's always true prompt for a profile) ) ) (setq vmpc-newmail-alist '( (condition that's always true prompt for a profile) ) ) (setq vmpc-replies-alist '( (condition that's always true prompt for a profile) ) ) ;;; END pcrisis stuff ;
[VM] vm-pcrisis
Hi, I only recently subscribed viewmail-info, but I've been using VM since the Kyle Jones days. Most recently I had been using vm-7.18 with vm-pcrisis 0.85 beta -- still with only Rob Hodges's name on it. :-) I'm now trying to bring my VM environment more up-to-date with vm-8.2.0b and its vm-pcrisis, but I'm having difficulty with the vm-pcrisis set-up. I think what I'm looking to do should be pretty straightforward. I want to be prompted for one of my two profiles every time I begin to compose a mail message regardless of whether it's a new message, a reply, anything. I would also like my profiles name to auto-complete, so I can select work with just w RET and braeburn with just b RET. With the config below in my .vm file I am getting prompted but only for newmail, and the auto-complete requires TAB. Sorry for the cry for help, but I've been messing with the set-up and reading 'info vm-pcrisis' for quite a while now, and I don't feel like I'm getting closer. Thanks in advance for your help! Jay B. (require 'vm-pcrisis) (setq vmpc-conditions '( (condition that's always true 't ))) (setq vmpc-actions '( (work (vmpc-substitute-header From Jay Borkenhagen j...@work.com) (vmpc-substitute-header Reply-To Jay Borkenhagen j...@work.com) ) (braeburn (vmpc-substitute-header From Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org) (vmpc-substitute-header Reply-To Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org) ) (prompt for a profile (vmpc-prompt-for-profile) ) ) ) (setq vmpc-action-alist '( (condition that's always true prompt for a profile) ) ) (setq vmpc-newmail-alist '( (condition that's always true prompt for a profile) ) ) (setq vmpc-replies-alist '( (condition that's always true prompt for a profile) ) ) ;;; END pcrisis stuff ;
Re: [VM] vm-pcrisis
Hi Jay I think what I'm looking to do should be pretty straightforward. I want to be prompted for one of my two profiles every time I begin to compose a mail message regardless of whether it's a new message, a reply, anything. This is not a vm-pcrisis approach (whatever that is), but I have a setup that might work for you and which sounds like it needs less effort to use. I have several email addresses that I use regularly. Part of my setup is a function called my-set-reply-to that I call via vm-select-message-hook The function is pretty dumb, it's just a big cond that looks at the message being replied to to find one of my email addresses (or domains) in a header, and calls a function to set variables like vm-mail-header-from and mail-default-reply-to etc. With that in hand, pretty much 100% of my reply buffers are automatically populated with the right values. When it comes to composing new mails, I'll be in the profile of whatever mail I read last, which is very often what I want (even though I'm not writing a reply, I'm most likely to be in that work/home/play etc context). If that's not right, I manually invoke one of the functions I mentioned in the paragraph above. E.g., M-x mail-from-jon.es I have to do that maybe once a week (and I usually avoid it by just moving to a message sent to the address I'd like to write the new mail from). I hope that makes sense. My elisp skills are pathetic, I'm afraid, but you can see the code (and lots of personal details) at: https://github.com/terrycojones/emacs-setup/blob/master/elisp/my-vm.el#L134 https://github.com/terrycojones/emacs-setup/blob/master/elisp/my-misc.el#L670 Terry
Re: [VM] vm-pcrisis configuration using vmpc-substitute-replied-header
Uday Reddy writes: I found vmpc-substitute-replied-header to be quite useless. I use something like this (setq vmpc-conditions '((to-work (vmpc-header-match To\\|Cc (regexp-quote ...))) (to-home (vmpc-header-match To\\|Cc (regexp-quote ...) That's fine for home and work, but I have about a dozen e-mail address I use regularly and I also often create ad-hoc addresses for one-time use. I have a whole domain at my disposal, which allows me to generate throw-away addresses to reduce spam. Konrad.
