[VIHUELA] Re: Moravsky Manuscript

2018-01-03 Thread DANIEL SHOSKES 
Sadly the only info is what the pdf file contains. One piece that mentions 
“Logi”. A couple pieces with lute concordances by other composers.

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 3:27 PM, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> 
> The music in tablature appears to be for 5-course guitar.  There are a 
> few 5-part chords which could be strummed but it seems to be mainly in 
> lute style and perhaps mid 18th century. How do we know that the music 
> is actually by Losy? Which library owns it today?
> The rest seems to be for mandora or gallichon.  Martyn may know more 
> about it if he has read this.
> 
> Monica
> 
> 
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> Original Message
> From: dshos...@mac.com
> Date: 03/01/2018 19:02 
> To: "WALSH STUART"
> Cc: "VihuelaList", "Monica Hall"
> 
> Subj: [VIHUELA] Re: Moravsky Manuscript
> 
> Sorry, let’s try a dropbox: 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/oaqfczqgfio4gao/Losy-GuitareEtMandore.pdf?dl=0
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 1:57 PM, WALSH STUART  
> wrote:
>> 
>> On 1/3/2018 5:07 PM, DANIEL SHOSKES wrote:
>>> I’ve come across the Moravsky manuscript which is an 
> interesting mix of bandora, baroque guitar, “6 string/courseââ‚
> ¬Â guitar and other works in standard notation. Much music of Losy 
> (Logy).
>>> 
>>> A link is here: http://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=67271
> 
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>>> 
>>> If anyone has info on the Ms, I’d like to ask the following:
>>> 
>>> 1) On page 48 there is a page of tuning for guitar and mandora. 
> While note values aren't given for the guitar the sixth course for the 
> mandora is a G and that seems to work for the guitar pieces. Is there 
> evidence for a 6 course guitar that Losy composed for? I've tried them 
> on my Romantic guitar just playing the E string stopped at the 3rd 
> fret.
>>> 
>>> 2) Any sources for the tuning that Losy used? Switching between the 
> Romatic guitar and my baroque guitar in re-entrant tuning some pieces 
> seem better suited to one of the other.
>>> 
>>> 3) How clear are the attributions to Losy? I did find one Rondeau 
> that says Logi but appears in the Haslemere lute MS attributed to Weiss 
> and in another attributed to von Bohrenfels.
>>> 
>>> 4) None of the guitar works have strumming indications. All plucked 
> or would the performance practice to be strum away?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Danny
>>> 
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[VIHUELA] Re: Moravsky Manuscript

2018-01-03 Thread mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 
The music in tablature appears to be for 5-course guitar.  There are a 
few 5-part chords which could be strummed but it seems to be mainly in 
lute style and perhaps mid 18th century. How do we know that the music 
is actually by Losy? Which library owns it today?
The rest seems to be for mandora or gallichon.  Martyn may know more 
about it if he has read this.

Monica



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From: dshos...@mac.com
Date: 03/01/2018 19:02 
To: "WALSH STUART"
Cc: "VihuelaList", "Monica Hall"

Subj: [VIHUELA] Re: Moravsky Manuscript

Sorry, let’s try a dropbox: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oaqfczqgfio4gao/Losy-GuitareEtMandore.pdf?dl=0
 



> On Jan 3, 2018, at 1:57 PM, WALSH STUART  
wrote:
> 
> On 1/3/2018 5:07 PM, DANIEL SHOSKES wrote:
>> I’ve come across the Moravsky manuscript which is an 
interesting mix of bandora, baroque guitar, “6 string/courseââ‚
¬Â guitar and other works in standard notation. Much music of Losy 
(Logy).
>> 
>> A link is here: http://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=67271
 
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> You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached 
to this post.
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> 
>> 
>> If anyone has info on the Ms, I’d like to ask the following:
>> 
>> 1) On page 48 there is a page of tuning for guitar and mandora. 
While note values aren't given for the guitar the sixth course for the 
mandora is a G and that seems to work for the guitar pieces. Is there 
evidence for a 6 course guitar that Losy composed for? I've tried them 
on my Romantic guitar just playing the E string stopped at the 3rd 
fret.
>> 
>> 2) Any sources for the tuning that Losy used? Switching between the 
Romatic guitar and my baroque guitar in re-entrant tuning some pieces 
seem better suited to one of the other.
>> 
>> 3) How clear are the attributions to Losy? I did find one Rondeau 
that says Logi but appears in the Haslemere lute MS attributed to Weiss 
and in another attributed to von Bohrenfels.
>> 
>> 4) None of the guitar works have strumming indications. All plucked 
or would the performance practice to be strum away?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Danny
>> 
>> 
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[VIHUELA] Re: Moravsky Manuscript

2018-01-03 Thread WALSH STUART 
   On 1/3/2018 7:02 PM, DANIEL SHOSKES wrote:

   Sorry, let's try a
   dropbox: [1]https://www.dropbox.com/s/oaqfczqgfio4gao/Losy-GuitareEtMan
   dore.pdf?dl=0
   Thanks!
   This MS has come up before -  but I can't remember where. Possibly on
   this vihuela list so it may be worth checking the archives. I'm sure
   there was some discussion of it.
   I think you mean mandora rather bandora. I doubt that there is any
   six-string/course guitar music in it. More likely it is for mandora.
   Stuart

   On Jan 3, 2018, at 1:57 PM, WALSH STUART <[2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
   wrote:

   On 1/3/2018 5:07 PM, DANIEL SHOSKES wrote:

 I’ve come across the Moravsky manuscript which is an interesting
 mix of bandora, baroque guitar, “6 string/course” guitar and
 other works in standard notation. Much music of Losy (Logy).
 A link is here:
 [3]http://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?tg271
 <[4]http://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?tg271>

   I get the following message:
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 If anyone has info on the Ms, I’d like to ask the following:
 1) On page 48 there is a page of tuning for guitar and mandora.
 While note values aren't given for the guitar the sixth course for
 the mandora is a G and that seems to work for the guitar pieces. Is
 there evidence for a 6 course guitar that Losy composed for? I've
 tried them on my Romantic guitar just playing the E string stopped
 at the 3rd fret.
 2) Any sources for the tuning that Losy used? Switching between the
 Romatic guitar and my baroque guitar in re-entrant tuning some
 pieces seem better suited to one of the other.
 3) How clear are the attributions to Losy? I did find one Rondeau
 that says Logi but appears in the Haslemere lute MS attributed to
 Weiss and in another attributed to von Bohrenfels.
 4) None of the guitar works have strumming indications. All plucked
 or would the performance practice to be strum away?
 Thanks
 Danny
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[VIHUELA] Re: Moravsky Manuscript

2018-01-03 Thread DANIEL SHOSKES 
Sorry, let’s try a dropbox: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oaqfczqgfio4gao/Losy-GuitareEtMandore.pdf?dl=0 



> On Jan 3, 2018, at 1:57 PM, WALSH STUART  wrote:
> 
> On 1/3/2018 5:07 PM, DANIEL SHOSKES wrote:
>> I’ve come across the Moravsky manuscript which is an interesting mix 
>> of bandora, baroque guitar, “6 string/course” guitar and other 
>> works in standard notation. Much music of Losy (Logy).
>> 
>> A link is here: http://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=67271 
>> 
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> I get the following message:
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> You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this 
> post.
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>> 
>> If anyone has info on the Ms, I’d like to ask the following:
>> 
>> 1) On page 48 there is a page of tuning for guitar and mandora. While note 
>> values aren't given for the guitar the sixth course for the mandora is a G 
>> and that seems to work for the guitar pieces. Is there evidence for a 6 
>> course guitar that Losy composed for? I've tried them on my Romantic guitar 
>> just playing the E string stopped at the 3rd fret.
>> 
>> 2) Any sources for the tuning that Losy used? Switching between the Romatic 
>> guitar and my baroque guitar in re-entrant tuning some pieces seem better 
>> suited to one of the other.
>> 
>> 3) How clear are the attributions to Losy? I did find one Rondeau that says 
>> Logi but appears in the Haslemere lute MS attributed to Weiss and in another 
>> attributed to von Bohrenfels.
>> 
>> 4) None of the guitar works have strumming indications. All plucked or would 
>> the performance practice to be strum away?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Danny
>> 
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[VIHUELA] Re: Moravsky Manuscript

2018-01-03 Thread WALSH STUART 

On 1/3/2018 5:07 PM, DANIEL SHOSKES wrote:

I’ve come across the Moravsky manuscript which is an interesting mix of 
bandora, baroque guitar, “6 string/course” guitar and other works in 
standard notation. Much music of Losy (Logy).

A link is here: http://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=67271 



I get the following message:

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to 
this post.






If anyone has info on the Ms, I’d like to ask the following:

1) On page 48 there is a page of tuning for guitar and mandora. While note 
values aren't given for the guitar the sixth course for the mandora is a G and 
that seems to work for the guitar pieces. Is there evidence for a 6 course 
guitar that Losy composed for? I've tried them on my Romantic guitar just 
playing the E string stopped at the 3rd fret.

2) Any sources for the tuning that Losy used? Switching between the Romatic 
guitar and my baroque guitar in re-entrant tuning some pieces seem better 
suited to one of the other.

3) How clear are the attributions to Losy? I did find one Rondeau that says 
Logi but appears in the Haslemere lute MS attributed to Weiss and in another 
attributed to von Bohrenfels.

4) None of the guitar works have strumming indications. All plucked or would 
the performance practice to be strum away?

Thanks

Danny


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[VIHUELA] Re: Moravsky Manuscript

2018-01-03 Thread mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 
I wasn't able to access the facsimile of this manuscript so can't 
really comment in details.
However I think it is a bit doubtful whether Losy actually composed any 
music specifically for the guitar; what survives in manuscript may be 
arrangements of lute pieces.  It is also unlikely that he composed 
anything for the 6-stringed guitar. There is no way of knowing what 
method of stringing Losy preferred - if he had any preferences - but 
surviving music attributed to him works well with the so-called 
"French" tuning i.e. a low octave on the 4th course only.
Is the facsimile available on another web site? It would be interesting 
to have a look at it.

MOnica

Original Message
From: dshos...@mac.com
Date: 03/01/2018 17:07 
To: "VihuelaList"
Subj: [VIHUELA] Moravsky Manuscript

I’ve come across the Moravsky manuscript which is an interesting mix 
of bandora, baroque guitar, “6 string/course” guitar and other 
works in standard notation. Much music of Losy (Logy). 

A link is here: http://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=67271
 

If anyone has info on the Ms, I’d like to ask the following:

1) On page 48 there is a page of tuning for guitar and mandora. While 
note values aren't given for the guitar the sixth course for the 
mandora is a G and that seems to work for the guitar pieces. Is there 
evidence for a 6 course guitar that Losy composed for? I've tried them 
on my Romantic guitar just playing the E string stopped at the 3rd 
fret. 

2) Any sources for the tuning that Losy used? Switching between the 
Romatic guitar and my baroque guitar in re-entrant tuning some pieces 
seem better suited to one of the other.

3) How clear are the attributions to Losy? I did find one Rondeau that 
says Logi but appears in the Haslemere lute MS attributed to Weiss and 
in another attributed to von Bohrenfels.

4) None of the guitar works have strumming indications. All plucked or 
would the performance practice to be strum away?

Thanks

Danny


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[VIHUELA] Moravsky Manuscript

2018-01-03 Thread DANIEL SHOSKES 
I’ve come across the Moravsky manuscript which is an interesting mix of 
bandora, baroque guitar, “6 string/course” guitar and other works in 
standard notation. Much music of Losy (Logy). 

A link is here: http://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=67271 


If anyone has info on the Ms, I’d like to ask the following:

1) On page 48 there is a page of tuning for guitar and mandora. While note 
values aren't given for the guitar the sixth course for the mandora is a G and 
that seems to work for the guitar pieces. Is there evidence for a 6 course 
guitar that Losy composed for? I've tried them on my Romantic guitar just 
playing the E string stopped at the 3rd fret. 

2) Any sources for the tuning that Losy used? Switching between the Romatic 
guitar and my baroque guitar in re-entrant tuning some pieces seem better 
suited to one of the other.

3) How clear are the attributions to Losy? I did find one Rondeau that says 
Logi but appears in the Haslemere lute MS attributed to Weiss and in another 
attributed to von Bohrenfels.

4) None of the guitar works have strumming indications. All plucked or would 
the performance practice to be strum away?

Thanks

Danny


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