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Well - yes - but what I really want to know is how well known was Murcia before the Saldivar Codex hit the shelves. Sanz has always been with us - I first heard his music played on the radio in 1954 but Murcia seems to be a relatively late discovery. I wonder why. There is a copy of Resumen in the Biblioteca nacional in Madrid but Pujol doesn't seem to have been familiar with it. I am writing a sort of retrospective of recordings of M's music for Hispanica Lyra trying to comment on different ways of performing it. Any thoughts on the subject welcome! Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Rob MacKillop To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]Vihuelalist Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia You mean before his music became flamencofied ;-) Rob On 12 May 2014 14:03, Monica Hall [4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I am trying to trace printed editions and recordings of S de Murcia's music in any format which pre-date 1987 - the year in which the Saldivar Codex came to light or at least was recognized as being a source of his music. People like Pujol, Graciano Tarrago, Jose Azpiazu and Alexander Bellow published arrangements of music by Sanz, Ruiz de Ribayaz and Guerau in the 1950/60s but they don't seem to have been aware of Murcia's music at all. The earliest recording which I have devoted to his music is one made by Gerard Arriaga in 1987. Does anyone know of recordings which include pieces by Murcia earlier than this - played on any kind of guitar - or anything else for that matter.. Also (for good measure) the earliest article about him that I have a copy of - included in the English peiodical Guitar News in 1967 - is a short one by D.E. McConnell. It's about Passacalles y obras (which McConnell thought was the same as Resumen de Acompanar) and this information was copied by Harvey Turnbull. Does anyone have any references to him ante dating this article? In a nutshell I am trying to ascertain how widely known Murcia was before the discovery of the Saldivar Codex. Any comments would be helpful. Best wishes to all Monica To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Thanks for that. I am on the summit list and sent to the address I have from the past - but deafening silence. Perhaps I will try again. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia I think the Guitar-Summit List is still alive. There seem to be no archives that can be accessed by non-members. http://lists.topica.com/lists/guitar-summit I did not see your message there, Monica. Best, L -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Monica Hall Verzonden: maandag 12 mei 2014 15:03 Aan: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia I am trying to trace printed editions and recordings of S de Murcia's music in any format which pre-date 1987 - the year in which the Saldivar Codex came to light or at least was recognized as being a source of his music. People like Pujol, Graciano Tarrago, Jose Azpiazu and Alexander Bellow published arrangements of music by Sanz, Ruiz de Ribayaz and Guerau in the 1950/60s but they don't seem to have been aware of Murcia's music at all. The earliest recording which I have devoted to his music is one made by Gerard Arriaga in 1987. Does anyone know of recordings which include pieces by Murcia earlier than this - played on any kind of guitar - or anything else for that matter.. Also (for good measure) the earliest article about him that I have a copy of - included in the English peiodical Guitar News in 1967 - is a short one by D.E. McConnell. It's about Passacalles y obras (which McConnell thought was the same as Resumen de Acompanar) and this information was copied by Harvey Turnbull. Does anyone have any references to him ante dating this article? In a nutshell I am trying to ascertain how widely known Murcia was before the discovery of the Saldivar Codex. Any comments would be helpful. Best wishes to all Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Tekst ingevoegd door Panda IS 2013: Als het hier gaat om een ongevraagde e-mail (SPAM), klik dan op de volgende link om de e-mail te herclasseren: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_3072SPAM=truepath=C:\Windows\system32\c onfig\systemprofile\AppData\Local\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Securi ty%202013\AntiSpam ---
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That is even more helpful! Thank you. Monica - Original Message - From: Peter Kooiman pkooi...@multimediabit.com To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Some googling seems to show that Pujol at least was very much aware of Murcia, as he published two Murcia transcriptions:Pujol 1025 (Prelude-Allegro) and Pujol 1090 (Suite en Re). On 12 May 2014, at 15:03, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I am trying to trace printed editions and recordings of S de Murcia's music in any format which pre-date 1987 - the year in which the Saldivar Codex came to light or at least was recognized as being a source of his music. People like Pujol, Graciano Tarrago, Jose Azpiazu and Alexander Bellow published arrangements of music by Sanz, Ruiz de Ribayaz and Guerau in the 1950/60s but they don't seem to have been aware of Murcia's music at all. The earliest recording which I have devoted to his music is one made by Gerard Arriaga in 1987. Does anyone know of recordings which include pieces by Murcia earlier than this - played on any kind of guitar - or anything else for that matter.. Also (for good measure) the earliest article about him that I have a copy of - included in the English peiodical Guitar News in 1967 - is a short one by D.E. McConnell. It's about Passacalles y obras (which McConnell thought was the same as Resumen de Acompanar) and this information was copied by Harvey Turnbull. Does anyone have any references to him ante dating this article? In a nutshell I am trying to ascertain how widely known Murcia was before the discovery of the Saldivar Codex. Any comments would be helpful. Best wishes to all Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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- Original Message - From: Nelson, Jocelyn To: Monica Hall Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Hi Monica, You’re not getting old, you’re getting wise : ) Thank you for those kind words! But are we sure Santiago de Murcia never went to the New World? Well - yes. There is no reason to suppose that he did. It is now known that he was born in Madrid in 1673 and died there in 1739 in poverty and buried in a pauper's grave. The biography which was invented for him was entirely a work of fiction. The manuscripts which have come to light in Mexico and Chile were almost certainly copied in Madrid and sent to patrons in the New World. The British Library were certainly of the opinion that Passacalles y obras was copied and bound in Spain - and they are experts in these matters. But once the idea that he went to Mexico was put in circulation there was no stopping it. I tried my best - a voice crying in the wilderness. Monica Jocelyn Nelson, DMA Teaching Assistant Professor Early Guitar, Music History 336 Fletcher Music Center School of Music East Carolina University 252.328.1255 office 252.328.6258 fax nels...@ecu.edu From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:58:36 + To: Joceyln Nelson nels...@ecu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona? Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona? I think the sarabanda and ciacona garnered comments from some shocked Europeans in the 17th century or earlier. Maybe some performers are making the most (too much?) of it now to sell CDs, but the dances really did seem to scandalize Europeans back in the day. Perhaps more than choreography bothered them (with the Spanish/New World dances): rhythms, instrumentation, topics, maybe even the cultural group the music originated from? That may be true but I don't think it justifies playing the music of Santiago de Murcia or Sanz in elaborate arrangements with massed percussion. Neither of them ever went to the New World anyway. But it goes much further than that. The idea that because the ciaccona was originally a popular doesn't mean that anything based on it to be performed in a popular manner. Kapsberger's villanelle may have been popular songs but that doesn't seem to me to justify adding percussion to them as well as batteries of strummed instruments. It seems to be fashionable to sing everything in a very coarse in your face manner and interpret the words in the most salacious way. An example of this is on a CD by the group L'Arpeggiata which includes a Ciaccona di Paradiso e dell'Inferno performed in a way that someone very aptly described to me as wink wink nudge nudge style. It's meant to be a serious dialogue about heaven and hell. I don't think groups these recordings really have any insight into the sensibilities of 17th century players. I must be getting old. Monica Yesteryear's hip hop? Jocelyn From: Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 21:42:03 + To: Stuart Walsh [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Cc: Vihuelalist [3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona? - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh [4]s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Monica Hall [5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist [6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona? Exactly! I think this present day obsession with the idea that the dances were obscene and that being banned gives them some sort of instrinsic merit is a bit wide of the mark. Monica, who is obsessed with obscenity and early dance!? You should get out more and read more of the liner notes to CDs made by groups like Les Otros! When I read, a while ago, that the early 'sarabanda' had been banned for lewdness in some places, I thought that that was just extraordinary. And now the capona too, good grief! I think it would be fascinating to know what they were on about. I think they waved their arms about a bit and wiggled their hips. If you have Lute 2007 you will see the illustration on the front cover. It's on my Facebook site too. (I've got a book tucked away somewhere which says the same thing about the 19th century waltz) Sounds familiar. Monica (I just went to see ENO's production of Castor and Pollux in which the artists spent a lot of taking their knickers off - unthinkable in Rameau's time. They were actually quite prudish. But I can see now why Guerau in his Poema Harmonica says something to the effect that studying his complicated and difficult variations on the dance pieces will keep you out of trouble. Well he actaully says Use it to banish idleness and raise your heart to God. But that's the sort of thing that they say in these
[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia
Thank you for the information Monica! Here is a link to the A-R Publications page: [1]https://www.areditions.com/rr/rrb/b167.html Could you tell us if the facsimile pages are at least printed at full size? Look forward to reading your review! Azalais On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Monica Hall [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: The facsimile with transcription of the newly discovered Murcia manuscript has now been published. It is in two volumes published by A-R Editions. I don't know the price - I am lucky enough to have been sent a review copy. The facsimile is very dark - the background paper is grey and the tablature only a slightly darker shade of grey so it is difficult to read. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.areditions.com/rr/rrb/b167.html 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia
It looks as if it has been slightly enlarged. The measurements of the ms. itself are 24cms x 16.5 cms. - oblong I am mystified as to why it should be so dark. My recollection of the British Library's ms. of Passacalles y obras is that the paper is off white and the text clearly legible in brownish ink but perhaps this ms. is not so well preserved. The introduction is in English (only) but I haven't read it yet. It only arrived this morning. cheers Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Azalais To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]Vihuelalist Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Thank you for the information Monica! Here is a link to the A-R Publications page: [4]https://www.areditions.com/rr/rrb/b167.html Could you tell us if the facsimile pages are at least printed at full size? Look forward to reading your review! Azalais On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Monica Hall [5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: The facsimile with transcription of the newly discovered Murcia manuscript has now been published. It is in two volumes published by A-R Editions. I don't know the price - I am lucky enough to have been sent a review copy. The facsimile is very dark - the background paper is grey and the tablature only a slightly darker shade of grey so it is difficult to read. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:azal...@gmail.com 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. https://www.areditions.com/rr/rrb/b167.html 5. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia
Dear Eloy Yes - I don't why is so dark. Craig Russell's reproduction of the Saldivar Codex is easier to read even though it is small and Michael Lorimer seems to have been able to print it clearly on a white background. I have just skimmed through the critical notes. A lot of what he says is very speculative - substituting one lot of speculations for the previous one. Really it's time we actually got down to the basic facts. But still - that's the way of musicologist. What they don't know they invent! As ever Monica - Original Message - From: Eloy Cruz eloyc...@gmail.com To: Vihuela list vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia Dear Monica, thanks a lot for the good news. I wonder why the facsimile is dark; the two pages of the ms reproduced in Vera's Early Music article are certainly darkish but perfectly readable, and, as you say, the other Murcia mss are ok (the Codice Saldivar 4 is just as clear as you describe its probable companion, the Passacalles). Anyway, I very much look forward to explore this book Best eloy El 10/30/10 9:11 PM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk escribió: It looks as if it has been slightly enlarged. The measurements of the ms. itself are 24cms x 16.5 cms. - oblong I am mystified as to why it should be so dark. My recollection of the British Library's ms. of Passacalles y obras is that the paper is off white and the text clearly legible in brownish ink but perhaps this ms. is not so well preserved. The introduction is in English (only) but I haven't read it yet. It only arrived this morning. cheers Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Dear Edward Thanks a lot for your words; yes, we had a little American tour with Jordi, and the people of NPR made this transatlantic interview. Best eloy El 10/30/10 1:11 PM, Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com escribió: Dear Eloy, I heard you 2 days ago, on National Public Radio, in which you and Jordi Savall were interviewed, and the sow was wonderful, a melding of Spanish and Mexican music. Well done! ed At 11:17 AM 10/30/2010, Eloy Cruz wrote: Dear Monica, thanks a lot for the good news. I wonder why the facsimile is dark; the two pages of the ms reproduced in Vera's Early Music article are certainly darkish but perfectly readable, and, as you say, the other Murcia mss are ok (the Codice Saldivar 4 is ju= st as clear as you describe its probable companion, the Passacalles). Anyway, I very much look forward to explore this book Best eloy To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Thanks, Monica. Rob 2008/11/14 Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those of you who are interested in Murcia, Alejandro Vera has another article about him in the November issue of Early Music. He has uncovered a lot of biographical information about Murcia - which is quite different from the accepted one. In a nutshell - he was born in Madrid on 25th July 1673 and baptised on the 25th August in the parish church of St. Sebastian. His parents were Juan de Murcia and Magdalena Hernandez. He married a lady called Josefa Garcia in May 1695. He made a Declaration of poverty on 2nd July 1729 - a sort of will indicating that he had nothing much to bequeath, but he didn't die until 25th April 1739 in Madrid where he was buried free of charge in the cemetery adjoining the church of San Martin. There is a lot more fascinating detail than that so anyone interested in him should definitely read the article. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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That must have been the Saldivar Codex. I don't think that the Chile Ms. has been made available generally yet. Does anyone know if it is possible to get a copy of it? Antonio did send me a copy of an article about it and I have the various newspaper reports. I am interested to know whether the movements which form suites which hadn't been identified are by Corbetta as Passacalles y obras includes music by him which isn't in any of his printed books. Monica - Original Message - From: Fossum, Arthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia From Thomas Schall's post to the lute list: The first of them was by Gabriel Schabor on baroque guitar playing music mainly from Santiago de Murcia. Gabriel played with great technical perfection und incorporating nice effects mainly from a mexican source found in a second hand bookstore. I just was not sure if this concert was from the Codex or the new Manuscript - Did not mention Chile or New -Arthur -Original Message- From: John Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:18 AM To: Fossum, Arthur Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia The one in Chile was BOUGHT by a the Universidad Catolica, it wasn't found there. I haven't read the article, but I have talked to my friends in Chile and the articles in the Chilean press. In El Mercurio on 18 Sept 2006, Alejandro Vega claims to have found it in Chile. John On 23/05/2007, at 22:09, Fossum, Arthur wrote: Mexican source found in used book store? Isn't that the Codex Salvidar no 4 ? Not the new one found in a University in Chile? -Arthur Fossum -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:24 AM To: Arthur Ness Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia Yes please! Monica - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Found in a used book store? Someone on the Lute List (Thomas Schall) reported a performance from such a book at the recent lute festival in Kassel. If I didn't erase it, I'll send ithe report. It names names.g Arthur. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia The latest issue of Early Music (May 2007) includes the article about the newly discovered Ms. of Santiago de Murcia although I haven't seen it yet. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ~ Professor John Griffiths Faculty of Music =95 The University of Melbourne 3010 =95 Victoria =95 Australia tel (61+3) 8344 8810 =95 fax (61+3) 8344 5346 =95 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ This e-mail and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this e- mail is received in error please delete it and notify us by return e- mail. --
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Monica, as far as I know, Alejandro has been trying to get as much mileage as possible out of this. He has played his cards very close to his chest upun til now. My colleague in Chile, Oscar Ohlsen, was involved in the public presentation of the MS in Chile, but I have not pressed Oscar any further. I was very interested in offering him publication opportunities and went as far as setting up a meeting with him the last time I was in Chile (end of 2005), but he didn't show up for the appointment. The Early Music article will be the important step in the process. Regards, John On 24/05/2007, at 16:12, Monica Hall wrote: That must have been the Saldivar Codex. I don't think that the Chile Ms. has been made available generally yet. Does anyone know if it is possible to get a copy of it? Antonio did send me a copy of an article about it and I have the various newspaper reports. I am interested to know whether the movements which form suites which hadn't been identified are by Corbetta as Passacalles y obras includes music by him which isn't in any of his printed books. Monica - Original Message - From: Fossum, Arthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia From Thomas Schall's post to the lute list: The first of them was by Gabriel Schabor on baroque guitar playing music mainly from Santiago de Murcia. Gabriel played with great technical perfection und incorporating nice effects mainly from a mexican source found in a second hand bookstore. I just was not sure if this concert was from the Codex or the new Manuscript - Did not mention Chile or New -Arthur -Original Message- From: John Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:18 AM To: Fossum, Arthur Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia The one in Chile was BOUGHT by a the Universidad Catolica, it wasn't found there. I haven't read the article, but I have talked to my friends in Chile and the articles in the Chilean press. In El Mercurio on 18 Sept 2006, Alejandro Vega claims to have found it in Chile. John On 23/05/2007, at 22:09, Fossum, Arthur wrote: Mexican source found in used book store? Isn't that the Codex Salvidar no 4 ? Not the new one found in a University in Chile? -Arthur Fossum -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:24 AM To: Arthur Ness Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia Yes please! Monica - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Found in a used book store? Someone on the Lute List (Thomas Schall) reported a performance from such a book at the recent lute festival in Kassel. If I didn't erase it, I'll send ithe report. It names names.g Arthur. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia The latest issue of Early Music (May 2007) includes the article about the newly discovered Ms. of Santiago de Murcia although I haven't seen it yet. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ~ Professor John Griffiths Faculty of Music =95 The University of Melbourne 3010 =95 Victoria =95 Australia tel (61+3) 8344 8810 =95 fax (61+3) 8344 5346 =95 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ This e-mail and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this e- mail is received in error please delete it and notify us by return e- mail. -- ~ Professor John Griffiths Faculty of Music =95 The University of Melbourne 3010 =95 Victoria =95 Australia tel (61+3) 8344 8810 =95 fax (61+3) 8344 5346 =95 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ This e-mail and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects
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Yes - I thought that was the case and it is not really surprising. But it is a pity in a way because different people often have relevant information to contribute which might not otherwise be available. Still - I've have waited patiently for a year so a few more weeks wont hurt. Early Music for May hasn't yet appeared but is iminent. Best Monica - Original Message - From: John Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia Monica, as far as I know, Alejandro has been trying to get as much mileage as possible out of this. He has played his cards very close to his chest upun til now. My colleague in Chile, Oscar Ohlsen, was involved in the public presentation of the MS in Chile, but I have not pressed Oscar any further. I was very interested in offering him publication opportunities and went as far as setting up a meeting with him the last time I was in Chile (end of 2005), but he didn't show up for the appointment. The Early Music article will be the important step in the process. Regards, John On 24/05/2007, at 16:12, Monica Hall wrote: That must have been the Saldivar Codex. I don't think that the Chile Ms. has been made available generally yet. Does anyone know if it is possible to get a copy of it? Antonio did send me a copy of an article about it and I have the various newspaper reports. I am interested to know whether the movements which form suites which hadn't been identified are by Corbetta as Passacalles y obras includes music by him which isn't in any of his printed books. Monica - Original Message - From: Fossum, Arthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia From Thomas Schall's post to the lute list: The first of them was by Gabriel Schabor on baroque guitar playing music mainly from Santiago de Murcia. Gabriel played with great technical perfection und incorporating nice effects mainly from a mexican source found in a second hand bookstore. I just was not sure if this concert was from the Codex or the new Manuscript - Did not mention Chile or New -Arthur -Original Message- From: John Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:18 AM To: Fossum, Arthur Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia The one in Chile was BOUGHT by a the Universidad Catolica, it wasn't found there. I haven't read the article, but I have talked to my friends in Chile and the articles in the Chilean press. In El Mercurio on 18 Sept 2006, Alejandro Vega claims to have found it in Chile. John On 23/05/2007, at 22:09, Fossum, Arthur wrote: Mexican source found in used book store? Isn't that the Codex Salvidar no 4 ? Not the new one found in a University in Chile? -Arthur Fossum -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:24 AM To: Arthur Ness Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia Yes please! Monica - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Found in a used book store? Someone on the Lute List (Thomas Schall) reported a performance from such a book at the recent lute festival in Kassel. If I didn't erase it, I'll send ithe report. It names names.g Arthur. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia The latest issue of Early Music (May 2007) includes the article about the newly discovered Ms. of Santiago de Murcia although I haven't seen it yet. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ~ Professor John Griffiths Faculty of Music =95 The University of Melbourne 3010 =95 Victoria =95 Australia tel (61+3) 8344 8810 =95 fax (61+3) 8344 5346 =95 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ This e-mail and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this e- mail is received in error please delete it and notify us by return e- mail. -- ~ Professor John Griffiths Faculty of Music =95 The University of Melbourne
[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia
Yes please! Monica - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Found in a used book store? Someone on the Lute List (Thomas Schall) reported a performance from such a book at the recent lute festival in Kassel. If I didn't erase it, I'll send ithe report. It names names.g Arthur. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia The latest issue of Early Music (May 2007) includes the article about the newly discovered Ms. of Santiago de Murcia although I haven't seen it yet. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia
Mexican source found in used book store? Isn't that the Codex Salvidar no 4 ? Not the new one found in a University in Chile? -Arthur Fossum -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:24 AM To: Arthur Ness Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia Yes please! Monica - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Found in a used book store? Someone on the Lute List (Thomas Schall) reported a performance from such a book at the recent lute festival in Kassel. If I didn't erase it, I'll send ithe report. It names names.g Arthur. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia The latest issue of Early Music (May 2007) includes the article about the newly discovered Ms. of Santiago de Murcia although I haven't seen it yet. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia
The one in Chile was BOUGHT by a the Universidad Catolica, it wasn't found there. I haven't read the article, but I have talked to my friends in Chile and the articles in the Chilean press. In El Mercurio on 18 Sept 2006, Alejandro Vega claims to have found it in Chile. John On 23/05/2007, at 22:09, Fossum, Arthur wrote: Mexican source found in used book store? Isn't that the Codex Salvidar no 4 ? Not the new one found in a University in Chile? -Arthur Fossum -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:24 AM To: Arthur Ness Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia Yes please! Monica - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Found in a used book store? Someone on the Lute List (Thomas Schall) reported a performance from such a book at the recent lute festival in Kassel. If I didn't erase it, I'll send ithe report. It names names.g Arthur. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia The latest issue of Early Music (May 2007) includes the article about the newly discovered Ms. of Santiago de Murcia although I haven't seen it yet. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ~ Professor John Griffiths Faculty of Music =95 The University of Melbourne 3010 =95 Victoria =95 Australia tel (61+3) 8344 8810 =95 fax (61+3) 8344 5346 =95 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ This e-mail and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this e- mail is received in error please delete it and notify us by return e- mail. --
[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia
In the cover story in early music Alejandro Vera claims to have discoverd the hitherto unknown manuscript in Santiago de Chile during research conducted there in Sept. 2003/Aug. 2004. He explains that the ms. was found in a bookshop, whose owner had previously bought the possessions of a local bibliophile at an auction in 2001. In 2004 the ms. was bought by the Pontifica Universidad Católica de Chile and is currently located in the Biblioteca Campus Oriente (it has not yet been catalogued). (I am paraphrasing p. 253 of the article.) Best, Bernhard --- John Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: The one in Chile was BOUGHT by a the Universidad Catolica, it wasn't found there. I haven't read the article, but I have talked to my friends in Chile and the articles in the Chilean press. In El Mercurio on 18 Sept 2006, Alejandro Vega claims to have found it in Chile. John On 23/05/2007, at 22:09, Fossum, Arthur wrote: Mexican source found in used book store? Isn't that the Codex Salvidar no 4 ? Not the new one found in a University in Chile? -Arthur Fossum -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:24 AM To: Arthur Ness Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia Yes please! Monica - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Found in a used book store? Someone on the Lute List (Thomas Schall) reported a performance from such a book at the recent lute festival in Kassel. If I didn't erase it, I'll send ithe report. It names names.g Arthur. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia The latest issue of Early Music (May 2007) includes the article about the newly discovered Ms. of Santiago de Murcia although I haven't seen it yet. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ~ Professor John Griffiths Faculty of Music =95 The University of Melbourne 3010 =95 Victoria =95 Australia tel (61+3) 8344 8810 =95 fax (61+3) 8344 5346 =95 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ This e-mail and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this e- mail is received in error please delete it and notify us by return e- mail. -- __ Kennt man wirklich jeden über 3 Ecken? Die Antworten gibt's bei Yahoo! Clever. www.yahoo.de/clever To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia
From Thomas Schall's post to the lute list: The first of them was by Gabriel Schabor on baroque guitar playing music mainly from Santiago de Murcia. Gabriel played with great technical perfection und incorporating nice effects mainly from a mexican source found in a second hand bookstore. I just was not sure if this concert was from the Codex or the new Manuscript - Did not mention Chile or New -Arthur -Original Message- From: John Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:18 AM To: Fossum, Arthur Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia The one in Chile was BOUGHT by a the Universidad Catolica, it wasn't found there. I haven't read the article, but I have talked to my friends in Chile and the articles in the Chilean press. In El Mercurio on 18 Sept 2006, Alejandro Vega claims to have found it in Chile. John On 23/05/2007, at 22:09, Fossum, Arthur wrote: Mexican source found in used book store? Isn't that the Codex Salvidar no 4 ? Not the new one found in a University in Chile? -Arthur Fossum -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:24 AM To: Arthur Ness Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia Yes please! Monica - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia Found in a used book store? Someone on the Lute List (Thomas Schall) reported a performance from such a book at the recent lute festival in Kassel. If I didn't erase it, I'll send ithe report. It names names.g Arthur. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Santiago de Murcia The latest issue of Early Music (May 2007) includes the article about the newly discovered Ms. of Santiago de Murcia although I haven't seen it yet. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ~ Professor John Griffiths Faculty of Music =95 The University of Melbourne 3010 =95 Victoria =95 Australia tel (61+3) 8344 8810 =95 fax (61+3) 8344 5346 =95 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ This e-mail and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this e- mail is received in error please delete it and notify us by return e- mail. --
