[VIHUELA] Re: dyslexia and reading music
i've got it, my eldest son has it, my father is a lefty ... in my case it's not so much that i get the front and back of individual letters confused as much as i see them in groups, usually of two, shunted off to the right or left, before or after where they should be. i closed my first ever love letter to a stunningly beautiful blond girl in the 5th grade with yours turly. not suprisingly, i was told to get lost. when reading music i can follow the first bar ok and sometimes even the second but after that my mind descends into panic. it's as if i were reading the score in the dark with a tiny flashlight illuminating one section at a time. i can only play those notes. if i return to the previous section and try to join it with what i'm presently seeing, my mind goes tilt. i tried reading simple songs like old macdonald had a farm - not playing them from memory and not playing the notes until i had registered them as written information - but found i wasn't coordinating the two functions at all. this must sound idiotic to those who can read music - like trying to describe colour to someone blind. thanks for the comments - bill --- Alexis Blumberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it is Petra Vermote. For those who wonder, I asked her permission to reveal her name. She did not mind at all. Alexis -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 1 november 2007 15:49 To: Alexis Blumberg Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] dyslexia and reading music Cathy Towbin perchance? RT From: Alexis Blumberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems that it does not have to be an obstacle. A colleague and friend of mine is one the foremost composers in Belgium and she is dyslexic. Somehow she managed to overcome her problem during childhood. She is one of the best score readers I know. Her own scores are mostly for ensembles and orchestras and are extremely complicated to read. She told me once that reading staff helped her to overcome her dyslexia in general. I have never noticed any problem with her reading or writing text or music. Alexis -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html
[VIHUELA] Re: dyslexia and reading music
What you describe is exactly what always happened with a former adult student of mine. Mostly the panicking that resulted in the mind going tilt was the problem. When he was in a classroom-lesson situation this reaction was reinforced. I encouraged him to play from memory and that helped, but could not solve the problem entirely. Obviously there are degrees of dyslexia and although Petra Vermote may be less dyslexic than you or my student, she described the same juggling around of letters when she started writing as a child. She told me that she somehow solved the problem by developing a photographic memory. Your problem with reading music does not sound idiotic to those who can read music! Before the problem of dyslexia was discovered, dyslexic children were regarded as simple and dumb. Clearly this was wrong and even catastrophic with regards to the further development of these children. Alexis -Original Message- From: bill kilpatrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 2 november 2007 10:16 To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: dyslexia and reading music i've got it, my eldest son has it, my father is a lefty ... in my case it's not so much that i get the front and back of individual letters confused as much as i see them in groups, usually of two, shunted off to the right or left, before or after where they should be. i closed my first ever love letter to a stunningly beautiful blond girl in the 5th grade with yours turly. not suprisingly, i was told to get lost. when reading music i can follow the first bar ok and sometimes even the second but after that my mind descends into panic. it's as if i were reading the score in the dark with a tiny flashlight illuminating one section at a time. i can only play those notes. if i return to the previous section and try to join it with what i'm presently seeing, my mind goes tilt. i tried reading simple songs like old macdonald had a farm - not playing them from memory and not playing the notes until i had registered them as written information - but found i wasn't coordinating the two functions at all. this must sound idiotic to those who can read music - like trying to describe colour to someone blind. thanks for the comments - bill --- Alexis Blumberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it is Petra Vermote. For those who wonder, I asked her permission to reveal her name. She did not mind at all. Alexis -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 1 november 2007 15:49 To: Alexis Blumberg Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] dyslexia and reading music Cathy Towbin perchance? RT From: Alexis Blumberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems that it does not have to be an obstacle. A colleague and friend of mine is one the foremost composers in Belgium and she is dyslexic. Somehow she managed to overcome her problem during childhood. She is one of the best score readers I know. Her own scores are mostly for ensembles and orchestras and are extremely complicated to read. She told me once that reading staff helped her to overcome her dyslexia in general. I have never noticed any problem with her reading or writing text or music. Alexis -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html
[VIHUELA] Re: dyslexia and reading music
in england they call them yobs ... boys who can't read proper. aside from get with the program and knuckle-down .. get on with it do you have any practical advise on how to best coordinate what i see with what i play? - bill --- Alexis Blumberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you describe is exactly what always happened with a former adult student of mine. Mostly the panicking that resulted in the mind going tilt was the problem. When he was in a classroom-lesson situation this reaction was reinforced. I encouraged him to play from memory and that helped, but could not solve the problem entirely. Obviously there are degrees of dyslexia and although Petra Vermote may be less dyslexic than you or my student, she described the same juggling around of letters when she started writing as a child. She told me that she somehow solved the problem by developing a photographic memory. Your problem with reading music does not sound idiotic to those who can read music! Before the problem of dyslexia was discovered, dyslexic children were regarded as simple and dumb. Clearly this was wrong and even catastrophic with regards to the further development of these children. Alexis -Original Message- From: bill kilpatrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 2 november 2007 10:16 To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: dyslexia and reading music i've got it, my eldest son has it, my father is a lefty ... in my case it's not so much that i get the front and back of individual letters confused as much as i see them in groups, usually of two, shunted off to the right or left, before or after where they should be. i closed my first ever love letter to a stunningly beautiful blond girl in the 5th grade with yours turly. not suprisingly, i was told to get lost. when reading music i can follow the first bar ok and sometimes even the second but after that my mind descends into panic. it's as if i were reading the score in the dark with a tiny flashlight illuminating one section at a time. i can only play those notes. if i return to the previous section and try to join it with what i'm presently seeing, my mind goes tilt. i tried reading simple songs like old macdonald had a farm - not playing them from memory and not playing the notes until i had registered them as written information - but found i wasn't coordinating the two functions at all. this must sound idiotic to those who can read music - like trying to describe colour to someone blind. thanks for the comments - bill --- Alexis Blumberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it is Petra Vermote. For those who wonder, I asked her permission to reveal her name. She did not mind at all. Alexis -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 1 november 2007 15:49 To: Alexis Blumberg Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] dyslexia and reading music Cathy Towbin perchance? RT From: Alexis Blumberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems that it does not have to be an obstacle. A colleague and friend of mine is one the foremost composers in Belgium and she is dyslexic. Somehow she managed to overcome her problem during childhood. She is one of the best score readers I know. Her own scores are mostly for ensembles and orchestras and are extremely complicated to read. She told me once that reading staff helped her to overcome her dyslexia in general. I have never noticed any problem with her reading or writing text or music. Alexis -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: dyslexia and reading music
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:04:49 -, bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you think there's a correlation between dyslexia and an inability to read music? - bill Bill, I'm a 69 year old dyslexic,, I have real problems reading staff notation, I was taught the voilin at a early age, and still read staff notation,in violin fingering, about ten years ago I took up the lute,and now the vihuela, I struggled a bit with tablature, but now I read it well, no way will I go back to staff, if I use it I still struggle, perhaps one of the reasons people have difficulty with reading music, is the staff and the way it's written bob -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: dyslexia and reading music
No, it is Petra Vermote. For those who wonder, I asked her permission to reveal her name. She did not mind at all. Alexis -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 1 november 2007 15:49 To: Alexis Blumberg Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] dyslexia and reading music Cathy Towbin perchance? RT From: Alexis Blumberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems that it does not have to be an obstacle. A colleague and friend of mine is one the foremost composers in Belgium and she is dyslexic. Somehow she managed to overcome her problem during childhood. She is one of the best score readers I know. Her own scores are mostly for ensembles and orchestras and are extremely complicated to read. She told me once that reading staff helped her to overcome her dyslexia in general. I have never noticed any problem with her reading or writing text or music. Alexis -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: dyslexia and reading music
Bill, there are a large number of articles on dylexic pupils and their problems in reading music but it does not necessarily follow that those who find it difficult to read music are dyslexic. Charles -Original Message- From: bill kilpatrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 October 2007 18:05 To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] dyslexia and reading music do you think there's a correlation between dyslexia and an inability to read music? - bill http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
