Re: Fighting with comments - Close the gap between vimtutor and :help
that would be very interesting I´m a little lazy, I like to learn things quickly. I really found that something is missing between the first tut and :help universe. I also like the idea of making people discover new things and understand why-it-works... vim-2 wrote: Hi everobody, I recently had a very similar conversation with three guys on #vim (irc.freenode.net). Basicaly, there is two official help for Vim: - the vimtutor - :help And that's basically it. :help being your Vim dictionnary/encyclopedia/bible, it's very complete and has everything in it but it's hardcore to read and understand. Unfortunately, it's not easy at all to go through and to 'get' the way it works. I believe that there is room between vimtutor and :help to have some beginner to intermediate tutorial that will take you by the hand and bring you through the Vim universe in a nice and easy way. Let's not forget (especially for the Vim gurus out there) that Vim is very powerful but because of that it can be very hard to understand sometimes or even to adapt to it and make it your favourite text editor. Of course Google is your friend but the sheer ammount of tutorials out there can easily make you go left, right and center and basically not teach you anything useful but some 'tips and tricks' that is cool but won't make you code faster or deeply understand Vim. So I think that there is room for some official tutorial after the vimtutor and before a perfect use of the ultimate :help. The tutorial will totally avoid to be a scientific precision on how-to-exactly-define-terms-the-best-way-possible-using-the-less-words-possible. The tutorial should be well written and take time to explain things to novice in simple words. The idea is to bring people to the Vim highway efficiently. Such a basic tutorial could _also_ help novices to avoid asking questions that will make any Vim guru feel like saying: 'RTFM' As an example, here are some topics proposed: Non-technical: - Phylosophy behind Vim Where you would learn why it will help you to be faster in your everyday coding and what the user has to understand to truely enjoy Vim (talk about the need to touch-type to be truely efficient for instance) - Phylosophy behind the three modes (Normal, Visual, Insert) - Phylosophy behind the command line mode - Differences between Vi and Vim - Explain the folder structure and how the various config files work - Differences between Vim on Windows, Mac, Linux, Unix and console use - Configure once, use everywhere (or how to adapt your config to a different platform) - etc. Technical: - The big apple : Think different! Where you would learn that you need to think gg instead of 'CTRL-home' or xp to invert the order of two letters etc. This could have a list of standard keyboard shortcuts mapped to a list of Vim shortcuts. - Basics of Vim variables (:set :let etc.) - My first function : hello world! - Basic understanding of filetypes - Basic folding - Basics of syntax highlighting - Basic mappings abbreviations - etc. Help! I need somebody - Phylosophy behind the :help command: how to 'think' :help - How to use :help efficiently - Good references to go one step further - etc. Of course, this is only a guide of what would be useful to a beginner but I firmy believe that some official tutorial is needed. Maybe this could be achieved by doing a 'best off' the various tutorials already available. Let me know what you think of this, Laurent A.J.Mechelynck wrote: Meghdad Azriel wrote: I was just kidding ;) I know that they are not secret but, they´re not that intuitive... and i´m still learning how to use that help effectivelly... maybe I neet to read those basic files with care... [...] To use the help effectively, one should learn to use the tools Vim itself includes to search the help (see, among others, :help :help and :help :helpgrep): :help topic brings you to the help for topic if there is one, otherwise to some help topic resembling what you typed :help patternTab completes your command-line with the first help topic matching the pattern. Hit Tab again to see the next one. Hit Ctrl-D to see them all. If you have 'wildmenu' on, the bottom status line will be replaced by a menu of possible matches: hit Left or Right to select, Enter to accept, Esc to abort. :helpgrep pattern searches the whole help text for /pattern/. The results are used to build a quickfix error list (see :help quickfix.txt). Then the following commands may come useful: :cn[ext] :cp[revious] or :cN[ext] :cnf[ile] :cpf[ile] or :cNf[ile] :cfir[st] or :cr[ewind] :cla[st] to navigate the list, displaying the helpfiles with the cursor on a match; :cope[n] to open the list of matching lines in its own split-window, where you can position
Re: Fighting with comments - Close the gap between vimtutor and :help
Meghdad Azriel wrote: that would be very interesting I´m a little lazy, I like to learn things quickly. I really found that something is missing between the first tut and :help universe. I actually appreciate the idea of making people discover new things and understand why-it-works... (forgive my english :P) vim-2 wrote: Hi everobody, I recently had a very similar conversation with three guys on #vim (irc.freenode.net). Basicaly, there is two official help for Vim: - the vimtutor - :help And that's basically it. :help being your Vim dictionnary/encyclopedia/bible, it's very complete and has everything in it but it's hardcore to read and understand. Unfortunately, it's not easy at all to go through and to 'get' the way it works. I believe that there is room between vimtutor and :help to have some beginner to intermediate tutorial that will take you by the hand and bring you through the Vim universe in a nice and easy way. Let's not forget (especially for the Vim gurus out there) that Vim is very powerful but because of that it can be very hard to understand sometimes or even to adapt to it and make it your favourite text editor. Of course Google is your friend but the sheer ammount of tutorials out there can easily make you go left, right and center and basically not teach you anything useful but some 'tips and tricks' that is cool but won't make you code faster or deeply understand Vim. So I think that there is room for some official tutorial after the vimtutor and before a perfect use of the ultimate :help. The tutorial will totally avoid to be a scientific precision on how-to-exactly-define-terms-the-best-way-possible-using-the-less-words-possible. The tutorial should be well written and take time to explain things to novice in simple words. The idea is to bring people to the Vim highway efficiently. Such a basic tutorial could _also_ help novices to avoid asking questions that will make any Vim guru feel like saying: 'RTFM' As an example, here are some topics proposed: Non-technical: - Phylosophy behind Vim Where you would learn why it will help you to be faster in your everyday coding and what the user has to understand to truely enjoy Vim (talk about the need to touch-type to be truely efficient for instance) - Phylosophy behind the three modes (Normal, Visual, Insert) - Phylosophy behind the command line mode - Differences between Vi and Vim - Explain the folder structure and how the various config files work - Differences between Vim on Windows, Mac, Linux, Unix and console use - Configure once, use everywhere (or how to adapt your config to a different platform) - etc. Technical: - The big apple : Think different! Where you would learn that you need to think gg instead of 'CTRL-home' or xp to invert the order of two letters etc. This could have a list of standard keyboard shortcuts mapped to a list of Vim shortcuts. - Basics of Vim variables (:set :let etc.) - My first function : hello world! - Basic understanding of filetypes - Basic folding - Basics of syntax highlighting - Basic mappings abbreviations - etc. Help! I need somebody - Phylosophy behind the :help command: how to 'think' :help - How to use :help efficiently - Good references to go one step further - etc. Of course, this is only a guide of what would be useful to a beginner but I firmy believe that some official tutorial is needed. Maybe this could be achieved by doing a 'best off' the various tutorials already available. Let me know what you think of this, Laurent A.J.Mechelynck wrote: Meghdad Azriel wrote: I was just kidding ;) I know that they are not secret but, they´re not that intuitive... and i´m still learning how to use that help effectivelly... maybe I neet to read those basic files with care... [...] To use the help effectively, one should learn to use the tools Vim itself includes to search the help (see, among others, :help :help and :help :helpgrep): :help topic brings you to the help for topic if there is one, otherwise to some help topic resembling what you typed :help patternTab completes your command-line with the first help topic matching the pattern. Hit Tab again to see the next one. Hit Ctrl-D to see them all. If you have 'wildmenu' on, the bottom status line will be replaced by a menu of possible matches: hit Left or Right to select, Enter to accept, Esc to abort. :helpgrep pattern searches the whole help text for /pattern/. The results are used to build a quickfix error list (see :help quickfix.txt). Then the following commands may come useful: :cn[ext] :cp[revious] or :cN[ext] :cnf[ile] :cpf[ile] or :cNf[ile] :cfir[st] or :cr[ewind] :cla[st] to navigate the list, displaying the helpfiles with the cursor on a match; :cope[n] to open
Re: Fighting with comments - Close the gap between vimtutor and :help
I find that the problem is that I installed gVim the first time and I was already thinking about how making it highlight the codes, highlight errors, auto complete control structures, tags and functions... I'm trying to find out if there is a way to make vim show tips automatically, tips about function parameters, classes, method... I wanna be a guru in a blink of eyes :P H-10 wrote: On Oct 20, 2006, at 1:39 AM, A.J.Mechelynck wrote: vim wrote: Hi everobody, I recently had a very similar conversation with three guys on #vim (irc.freenode.net). Basicaly, there is two official help for Vim: - the vimtutor - :help And that's basically it. :help being your Vim dictionnary/encyclopedia/bible, it's very complete and has everything in it but it's hardcore to read and understand. Unfortunately, it's not easy at all to go through and to 'get' the way it works. I believe that there is room between vimtutor and :help to have some beginner to intermediate tutorial that will take you by the hand and bring you through the Vim universe in a nice and easy way. Let's not forget (especially for the Vim gurus out there) that Vim is very powerful but because of that it can be very hard to understand sometimes or even to adapt to it and make it your favourite text editor. Of course Google is your friend but the sheer ammount of tutorials out there can easily make you go left, right and center and basically not teach you anything useful but some 'tips and tricks' that is cool but won't make you code faster or deeply understand Vim. So I think that there is room for some official tutorial after the vimtutor and before a perfect use of the ultimate :help. The tutorial will totally avoid to be a scientific precision on how-to- exactly-define-terms-the-best-way-possible-using-the-less-words- possible. The tutorial should be well written and take time to explain things to novice in simple words. The idea is to bring people to the Vim highway efficiently. Such a basic tutorial could _also_ help novices to avoid asking questions that will make any Vim guru feel like saying: 'RTFM' As an example, here are some topics proposed: Non-technical: - Phylosophy behind Vim Where you would learn why it will help you to be faster in your everyday coding and what the user has to understand to truely enjoy Vim (talk about the need to touch-type to be truely efficient for instance) - Phylosophy behind the three modes (Normal, Visual, Insert) - Phylosophy behind the command line mode - Differences between Vi and Vim - Explain the folder structure and how the various config files work - Differences between Vim on Windows, Mac, Linux, Unix and console use - Configure once, use everywhere (or how to adapt your config to a different platform) - etc. Technical: - The big apple : Think different! Where you would learn that you need to think gg instead of 'CTRL-home' or xp to invert the order of two letters etc. This could have a list of standard keyboard shortcuts mapped to a list of Vim shortcuts. - Basics of Vim variables (:set :let etc.) - My first function : hello world! - Basic understanding of filetypes - Basic folding - Basics of syntax highlighting - Basic mappings abbreviations - etc. Help! I need somebody - Phylosophy behind the :help command: how to 'think' :help - How to use :help efficiently - Good references to go one step further - etc. Of course, this is only a guide of what would be useful to a beginner but I firmy believe that some official tutorial is needed. Maybe this could be achieved by doing a 'best off' the various tutorials already available. Let me know what you think of this, Laurent I think that between the tutor and help, tere are also the vimFAQ and vimtips (both at vim-online). You seem to have interesting ideas. Maybe you should discuss them with the FAQ maintainer. Best regards, Tony. Hi, As one of the potential beneficiaries of the proposed document, I'd like to add that what I have a hard time finding are the 'philosophy' items mentioned in the proposal. I'd like to get a better understanding of the way Vim views text, what the modes are for, etc. i.e. the bigger picture. I find :help to be excellent when I know what question to ask, but often lack the context to know where best to look. Reading this list helps fill in the concepts in an ad hoc sort of way, but a more systematic exposition would be nice. HTH, Hal -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Fighting-with-comments-tf2467964.html#a6924420 Sent from the Vim - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: Fighting with comments
I was just kidding ;) I know that they are not secret but, they´re not that intuitive... and i´m still learning how to use that help effectivelly... maybe I neet to read those basic files with care... Gary Johnson wrote: On 2006-10-19, eric1235711 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this worked too I think this is better, help tells that this formatoptions is specific to coments and things... But I´m getting disgusted of these secret and magic commands... Secret? You might find it helpful to look at :help user-manual and browsing the table of contents for topics that appear related to what you're trying to do. Regards, Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Wireless Division | Spokane, Washington, USA -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Fighting-with-comments-tf2467964.html#a6905899 Sent from the Vim - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: vim temp files on windows
Didn´t work for me... It gave me an error saying that it could not make the backup file... Mathias Michaelis wrote: Hello Kev Whenever I edit a file in gvim on Windows, a temporary file of the same name but with a tilde (~) on the end is created. This are backup files and are (meaningfully) not deleted after closing the corresponding file. In my $HOME/vimfiles directory I have created a folder named backup. Then, I putted in my .vimrc or _vimrc file the lines: keep a backup file set backup set backupdir=$HOME/vimfiles/backup/ Now, all backup files are kept in this one backup directory. If you don't like this at all, you can put the line set nobackup at the place of the lines above. Best regards Mathias -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/vim-temp-files-on-windows-tf159693.html#a6906290 Sent from the Vim - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
