RE: Need to write a language
Thanks, eveything soundes goo so far. I'll just have to determine if I can create the language for more of the difficult rules -Original Message- From: Peter Hodge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:04 PM To: Billy Patton; vim@vim.org Subject: Re: Need to write a language --- Billy Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the semiconductor industry. My job is to create data and to run regression tests on that data for the validation of physical layout rules. Skip to bottom for questions, if you don't want to read my ramblings. The current problem is tha the rules are not in a computer readable form. Many paople have a hand in writing different sections of the rules, so you can imagine that the wording is widely varied. There is no standard to wording or even the dialog used. One of the things I have been ask to do is to try and get a handle on how the rules may be written that that they are computer readable. I've been working with perl hash's and excel spread sheets. The main problem I was having was that I was trying to decreace the relationship words and increase the number of variables. This was quickly resulting in a spread sheet that was growing (number of columns) very rapidly. I assume excel has a limit to the number of columns. The idea that I have come up with is to create a language with limited descriptive words. Here is an example of a rule that might be written in a human readable form but also parsable by puter. MET1 spacing to MET1 is 45 if MET1 width is = 245 and = 100 By looking at this MET1 is a layer Spacing width = = are relationships If is a constraint #'s are #'s I want to have them write correct by construction. Is it possible, in vim/gvim to open a special version of vim so that the user can begin to type, spac , and it would complete the word? Would it also be possible to not allow a word to be type'd if that word was not in a list. Vim would have to open in edit mode and remain there for most users, until save/exit. Most of the users of this would be hard core pc users who think the only editor is word. But there are a few unix users. My questions. 1. Can vim be configured to automatically start in edit mode? 2. Can vim monitor each word that is being typed? 3. Can vim do word completion? 4. Can vim offer all possible spellings for partial word completion? If the answer to most of qeustion above is yes 5. Can I do the programming? I do perl, c, c++, csh and sh programming. Hello, As well as completing words, it would be very helpful if you wrote a syntax file for your language. If your users see things in color, they can be sure they have typed the commands correctly, but if the text is *not* colored, then they will know they've got something wrong. Something else you may want to consider - Map F5 to call a perl script which examines the line under the cursor and prints a message explaining what needs to be typed next. regards, Peter On Yahoo!7 Win VIP tickets to meet R'n'B stars superstars Ne-Yo and Rihanna http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/aunz/music/jay_z_promotion /index.htm
Re: Need to write a language
Peter Hodge wrote: [...] Hello, As well as completing words, it would be very helpful if you wrote a syntax file for your language. If your users see things in color, they can be sure they have typed the commands correctly, but if the text is *not* colored, then ...or if it is highlighted as Error (by default, white on red)... they will know they've got something wrong. Something else you may want to consider - Map F5 to call a perl script which examines the line under the cursor and prints a message explaining what needs to be typed next. regards, Peter Vim can interface with perl, python, ruby, tcl and/or mzscheme but only if the corresponding interface is compiled-in and if the necessary libraries are present (and can be found) at both compile-time and runtime. Plain vimscript is usually enough to program anything that Vim can do. Best regards, Tony.
Need to write a language
I'm in the semiconductor industry. My job is to create data and to run regression tests on that data for the validation of physical layout rules. Skip to bottom for questions, if you don't want to read my ramblings. The current problem is tha the rules are not in a computer readable form. Many paople have a hand in writing different sections of the rules, so you can imagine that the wording is widely varied. There is no standard to wording or even the dialog used. One of the things I have been ask to do is to try and get a handle on how the rules may be written that that they are computer readable. I've been working with perl hash's and excel spread sheets. The main problem I was having was that I was trying to decreace the relationship words and increase the number of variables. This was quickly resulting in a spread sheet that was growing (number of columns) very rapidly. I assume excel has a limit to the number of columns. The idea that I have come up with is to create a language with limited descriptive words. Here is an example of a rule that might be written in a human readable form but also parsable by puter. MET1 spacing to MET1 is 45 if MET1 width is = 245 and = 100 By looking at this MET1 is a layer Spacing width = = are relationships If is a constraint #'s are #'s I want to have them write correct by construction. Is it possible, in vim/gvim to open a special version of vim so that the user can begin to type, spac , and it would complete the word? Would it also be possible to not allow a word to be type'd if that word was not in a list. Vim would have to open in edit mode and remain there for most users, until save/exit. Most of the users of this would be hard core pc users who think the only editor is word. But there are a few unix users. My questions. 1. Can vim be configured to automatically start in edit mode? 2. Can vim monitor each word that is being typed? 3. Can vim do word completion? 4. Can vim offer all possible spellings for partial word completion? If the answer to most of qeustion above is yes 5. Can I do the programming? I do perl, c, c++, csh and sh programming.
Re: Need to write a language
On 10/25/06, Billy Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume excel has a limit to the number of columns. I believe the max is 65000 but that may be increased by now. Is it possible, in vim/gvim to open a special version of vim so that the user can begin to type, spac , and it would complete the word? Yes. Would it also be possible to not allow a word to be type'd if that word was not in a list. Harder, but probably. My questions. 1. Can vim be configured to automatically start in edit mode? Yes, but I forget what the setting is, you can just push it into insert mode when you enter a buffer if nothing else. 2. Can vim monitor each word that is being typed? You can remap the spacebar to trigger a function without difficulty or you can monitor every keystroke if you want something fancier. :help map.txt :help map-arguments :help autocmd :help autocmd-events 3. Can vim do word completion? Many types. :help completion 4. Can vim offer all possible spellings for partial word completion? It does by default and you can view them as a menu if you're using Vim 7. If you want to provide a list of possible words to be completed, it can be done by creating a ctags file. :help completeopt If the answer to most of qeustion above is yes 5. Can I do the programming? I do perl, c, c++, csh and sh programming. Most vim scripting is done in vimscript, which I consider to be fairly close to bash/sh. You can also do scripting in Python. I'm not sure about the perl interface.
Re: Need to write a language
--- Billy Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the semiconductor industry. My job is to create data and to run regression tests on that data for the validation of physical layout rules. Skip to bottom for questions, if you don't want to read my ramblings. The current problem is tha the rules are not in a computer readable form. Many paople have a hand in writing different sections of the rules, so you can imagine that the wording is widely varied. There is no standard to wording or even the dialog used. One of the things I have been ask to do is to try and get a handle on how the rules may be written that that they are computer readable. I've been working with perl hash's and excel spread sheets. The main problem I was having was that I was trying to decreace the relationship words and increase the number of variables. This was quickly resulting in a spread sheet that was growing (number of columns) very rapidly. I assume excel has a limit to the number of columns. The idea that I have come up with is to create a language with limited descriptive words. Here is an example of a rule that might be written in a human readable form but also parsable by puter. MET1 spacing to MET1 is 45 if MET1 width is = 245 and = 100 By looking at this MET1 is a layer Spacing width = = are relationships If is a constraint #'s are #'s I want to have them write correct by construction. Is it possible, in vim/gvim to open a special version of vim so that the user can begin to type, spac , and it would complete the word? Would it also be possible to not allow a word to be type'd if that word was not in a list. Vim would have to open in edit mode and remain there for most users, until save/exit. Most of the users of this would be hard core pc users who think the only editor is word. But there are a few unix users. My questions. 1. Can vim be configured to automatically start in edit mode? 2. Can vim monitor each word that is being typed? 3. Can vim do word completion? 4. Can vim offer all possible spellings for partial word completion? If the answer to most of qeustion above is yes 5. Can I do the programming? I do perl, c, c++, csh and sh programming. Hello, As well as completing words, it would be very helpful if you wrote a syntax file for your language. If your users see things in color, they can be sure they have typed the commands correctly, but if the text is *not* colored, then they will know they've got something wrong. Something else you may want to consider - Map F5 to call a perl script which examines the line under the cursor and prints a message explaining what needs to be typed next. regards, Peter On Yahoo!7 Win VIP tickets to meet R'n'B stars superstars Ne-Yo and Rihanna http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/aunz/music/jay_z_promotion/index.htm
Re: Need to write a language
On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 06:42:15PM -0400, Karl Guertin wrote: On 10/25/06, Billy Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My questions. 1. Can vim be configured to automatically start in edit mode? Yes, but I forget what the setting is, you can just push it into insert mode when you enter a buffer if nothing else. Add :set insertmode :help 'insertmode' 3. Can vim do word completion? Many types. :help completion Especially read :help 'complete' :help 'dictionary' You may also find something worth borrowing in my word-completion plugin: http://vim.sourceforge.net/scripts/script.php?script_id=73 4. Can vim offer all possible spellings for partial word completion? It does by default and you can view them as a menu if you're using Vim 7. If you want to provide a list of possible words to be completed, it can be done by creating a ctags file. :help completeopt I am not sure why you suggest a tags file, unless you intend :set complete=t I was thinking of :set complete=k/path/to/babylanguage.txt If the answer to most of qeustion above is yes 5. Can I do the programming? I do perl, c, c++, csh and sh programming. Most vim scripting is done in vimscript, which I consider to be fairly close to bash/sh. You can also do scripting in Python. I'm not sure about the perl interface. I suggest looking at some of the files in $VIMRUNTIME/plugin/ to get an idea of what you can do with a vim script. Then it helps to look at the list of built-in functions, :help functions HTH --Benji Fisher
