Re: Finding the Motif libs
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:07 PM Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > > Tony wrote: > > > > > Recently (but I'm not sure when) my supposedly Motif gvim started > > > > getting compiled without GUI. Examination of the config log showed the > > > > following lines: > > > > > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... no > > > > checking for location of Motif GUI libs... > > > > > > > > After some trial and error, I found out that by changing just one line > > > > in my environment settings, as follows: > > > > > > > > from: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif' > > > > to: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif --with-motif-lib=-lXm' > > > > > > > > (and doing no other changes), then sourcing the configure script again > > > > in the same shell to overwrite the environment values set by the > > > > previous version of the same script, and running "make reconfig", its > > > > --version output told me this time "Tiny version with X11-Motif GUI". > > > > The relevant lines in the config log are now > > > > > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... -lXm > > > > > > > > Is this expected? If just specifying that the Motif lib is named libXm > > > > (without mentioning a directory) makes configure find it, I would have > > > > expected it to already know that. Or is that name nonstandard? > > > > > > It's not about the lib name, it's about finding the library to link > > > with. A sequence of directories are checked for: > > > libXm.a > > > libXm.dll.a > > > libXm.so* > > > libXm.sl > > > libXm.dylib > > > > > > Perhaps the name of the library changed? On my system I can find > > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXm.a > > > > > > The check hasn't changed for a long time. It can be found in > > > src/configure.ac around line 2960. > > > > According to the YaST installer, openSUSE Tumbleweed package libXm4 > > titled "Motif runtime library" installs (only) files > > /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4 and /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4.0.4 > > > > so I did > > > > pushd /usr/lib64 > > ls -l libXm* > > > > which answered > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Mar 19 23:38 libXm.so -> libXm.so.4.0.4 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Mar 19 23:38 libXm.so.4 -> libXm.so.4.0.4 > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3021784 Mar 19 23:38 libXm.so.4.0.4 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Mar 19 23:28 libXmu.so -> libXmu.so.6.2.0 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Mar 19 23:28 libXmu.so.6 -> libXmu.so.6.2.0 > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 113936 Mar 19 23:28 libXmu.so.6.2.0 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Mar 19 23:28 libXmuu.so -> libXmuu.so.1.0.0 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Mar 19 23:28 libXmuu.so.1 -> libXmuu.so.1.0.0 > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22568 Mar 19 23:28 libXmuu.so.1.0.0 > > > > I think only the first three lines in this list are relevant. IOW on > > my system there are three files answering to /usr/lib64/libXm.so* in > > your list, two of which are soft links to the third one. IIUC by > > giving configure the argument --with-motif-lib=-lXm it doesn't search > > for the lib but just passes -lXm to the linker, which finds > > /usr/lib64/libXm.so -> libXm.so.4.0.4 and happily uses that (as it > > should) to find the Motif entry points. > > So perhaps it's because configure doesn't check /usr/lib64, and the > library was moved there recently? You can try by editing > src/auto/configure and around line 10221; add "/usr/lib64" before > "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu" in the assignment to "gui_libs". > AFAIK on openSUSE /usr/lib has always been the 32-bit library (here with interfaces for 32-bit executables running on this 64-bit system) and /usr/lib64 the "purely" 64-bit library. IIUC the relevant lines are the following (src/auto/configure lines 10220-10235): $as_echo_n "checking for location of Motif GUI libs... " >&6; } gui_libs="`echo $x_libraries|sed 's%/^/^/*$%%'` `echo "$gui_XXX" | sed s/XXX/lib/g` /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu `echo "$GUI_INC_LOC" | sed s/include/lib/` $GUI_LIB_LOC" GUI_LIB_LOC= for try in $gui_libs; do for libtry in "$try"/libXm.a "$try"/libXm.dll.a "$try"/libXm.so* "$try"/libXm.sl "$try"/libXm.dylib; do if test -f "$libtry"; then GUI_LIB_LOC=$try fi done done if test -n "$GUI_LIB_LOC"; then if test "$GUI_LIB_LOC" = /usr/lib \ -o "$GUI_LIB_LOC" = /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu \ -o "$GUI_LIB_LOC" = /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu; then GUI_LIB_LOC= { $as_echo "$as_me:${as_lineno-$LINENO}: result: in default path" >&5 Indeed /usr/lib and a couple of others are looked for but /usr/lib64 isn't. As I'm loath to meddle with distribute
Re: Finding the Motif libs
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 10:11 PM James McCoy wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 09:29:52AM +0200, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 11:02 PM Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tony wrote: > > > > > > > Recently (but I'm not sure when) my supposedly Motif gvim started > > > > getting compiled without GUI. Examination of the config log showed the > > > > following lines: > > > > > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... no > > > > checking for location of Motif GUI libs... > > > > > > > > After some trial and error, I found out that by changing just one line > > > > in my environment settings, as follows: > > > > > > > > from: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif' > > > > to: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif --with-motif-lib=-lXm' > > > > > > > > (and doing no other changes), then sourcing the configure script again > > > > in the same shell to overwrite the environment values set by the > > > > previous version of the same script, and running "make reconfig", its > > > > --version output told me this time "Tiny version with X11-Motif GUI". > > > > The relevant lines in the config log are now > > > > > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... -lXm > > > > > > > > Is this expected? If just specifying that the Motif lib is named libXm > > > > (without mentioning a directory) makes configure find it, I would have > > > > expected it to already know that. Or is that name nonstandard? > > > > > > It's not about the lib name, it's about finding the library to link > > > with. A sequence of directories are checked for: > > > libXm.a > > > libXm.dll.a > > > libXm.so* > > > libXm.sl > > > libXm.dylib > > > > > > Perhaps the name of the library changed? On my system I can find > > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXm.a > > > > > > The check hasn't changed for a long time. It can be found in > > > src/configure.ac around line 2960. > > > > According to the YaST installer, openSUSE Tumbleweed package libXm4 > > titled "Motif runtime library" installs (only) files > > /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4 and /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4.0.4 > > Most shared library packages on Linux are split into the runtime package > (which contains only the SONAME-versioned library names) and the > development package (which includes the header files and the unversioned > library name -- libXm.so -- which is used when building). It sounds > like you only have the runtime package installed. > > Cheers, > -- > James > GPG Key: 4096R/91BF BF4D 6956 BD5D F7B7 2D23 DFE6 91AE 331B A3DB When I search for "Motif" packages, YaST tells me (in alphabetical order) that the following are installed: • libGLwM1 : Motif OpenGL drawing area widget library • libMrm4 : Motif Resource Manager library • libUil4 : Motif User Interface Language library • libXm4 : Motif runtime library • motif : Motif Runtime Programs • motif-devel : Motif Include Files and Libraries Mandatory for Development Not installed are: • motif-debuginfo : Debug information for package motif • motif-debugsource : Debug sources for package motif • motif-devel-debuginfo : Debug information for package motif-devel If motif-devel were not installed, configure would not find, as it does even without my help, the Motif include files; and the existence of the unversioned /usr/lib64/libXm.so as a soft link pointing where it should, is mentioned in one of my ealier messages. Best regards, Tony. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAJkCKXsAzD%3DVa3%3DLpuhDL1296swqgzxOrqJ4z%2BuKsFE7Pf1GJg%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: Finding the Motif libs
James McCoy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 09:29:52AM +0200, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 11:02 PM Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tony wrote: > > > > > > > Recently (but I'm not sure when) my supposedly Motif gvim started > > > > getting compiled without GUI. Examination of the config log showed the > > > > following lines: > > > > > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... no > > > > checking for location of Motif GUI libs... > > > > > > > > After some trial and error, I found out that by changing just one line > > > > in my environment settings, as follows: > > > > > > > > from: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif' > > > > to: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif --with-motif-lib=-lXm' > > > > > > > > (and doing no other changes), then sourcing the configure script again > > > > in the same shell to overwrite the environment values set by the > > > > previous version of the same script, and running "make reconfig", its > > > > --version output told me this time "Tiny version with X11-Motif GUI". > > > > The relevant lines in the config log are now > > > > > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... -lXm > > > > > > > > Is this expected? If just specifying that the Motif lib is named libXm > > > > (without mentioning a directory) makes configure find it, I would have > > > > expected it to already know that. Or is that name nonstandard? > > > > > > It's not about the lib name, it's about finding the library to link > > > with. A sequence of directories are checked for: > > > libXm.a > > > libXm.dll.a > > > libXm.so* > > > libXm.sl > > > libXm.dylib > > > > > > Perhaps the name of the library changed? On my system I can find > > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXm.a > > > > > > The check hasn't changed for a long time. It can be found in > > > src/configure.ac around line 2960. > > > > According to the YaST installer, openSUSE Tumbleweed package libXm4 > > titled "Motif runtime library" installs (only) files > > /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4 and /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4.0.4 > > Most shared library packages on Linux are split into the runtime package > (which contains only the SONAME-versioned library names) and the > development package (which includes the header files and the unversioned > library name -- libXm.so -- which is used when building). It sounds > like you only have the runtime package installed. However, that it works by adding "--with-motif-lib=-lXm" suggests that the development packages can be found by the compiler. It's the configure script that can't find them and assumes Motif wasn't installed. -- Q: What's orange and sounds like a parrot? A: A carrot /// Bram Moolenaar -- b...@moolenaar.net -- http://www.Moolenaar.net \\\ /// \\\ \\\sponsor Vim, vote for features -- http://www.Vim.org/sponsor/ /// \\\help me help AIDS victims -- http://ICCF-Holland.org/// -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/20230410212551.35A211C03DE%40moolenaar.net.
Re: Finding the Motif libs
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 09:29:52AM +0200, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > On Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 11:02 PM Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > > > > > Tony wrote: > > > > > Recently (but I'm not sure when) my supposedly Motif gvim started > > > getting compiled without GUI. Examination of the config log showed the > > > following lines: > > > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... no > > > checking for location of Motif GUI libs... > > > > > > After some trial and error, I found out that by changing just one line > > > in my environment settings, as follows: > > > > > > from: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif' > > > to: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif --with-motif-lib=-lXm' > > > > > > (and doing no other changes), then sourcing the configure script again > > > in the same shell to overwrite the environment values set by the > > > previous version of the same script, and running "make reconfig", its > > > --version output told me this time "Tiny version with X11-Motif GUI". > > > The relevant lines in the config log are now > > > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... -lXm > > > > > > Is this expected? If just specifying that the Motif lib is named libXm > > > (without mentioning a directory) makes configure find it, I would have > > > expected it to already know that. Or is that name nonstandard? > > > > It's not about the lib name, it's about finding the library to link > > with. A sequence of directories are checked for: > > libXm.a > > libXm.dll.a > > libXm.so* > > libXm.sl > > libXm.dylib > > > > Perhaps the name of the library changed? On my system I can find > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXm.a > > > > The check hasn't changed for a long time. It can be found in > > src/configure.ac around line 2960. > > According to the YaST installer, openSUSE Tumbleweed package libXm4 > titled "Motif runtime library" installs (only) files > /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4 and /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4.0.4 Most shared library packages on Linux are split into the runtime package (which contains only the SONAME-versioned library names) and the development package (which includes the header files and the unversioned library name -- libXm.so -- which is used when building). It sounds like you only have the runtime package installed. Cheers, -- James GPG Key: 4096R/91BF BF4D 6956 BD5D F7B7 2D23 DFE6 91AE 331B A3DB -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/20230410201154.jv2rvvjgz4dzxzol%40localhost.
Re: Finding the Motif libs
Tony wrote: > > > Recently (but I'm not sure when) my supposedly Motif gvim started > > > getting compiled without GUI. Examination of the config log showed the > > > following lines: > > > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... no > > > checking for location of Motif GUI libs... > > > > > > After some trial and error, I found out that by changing just one line > > > in my environment settings, as follows: > > > > > > from: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif' > > > to: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif --with-motif-lib=-lXm' > > > > > > (and doing no other changes), then sourcing the configure script again > > > in the same shell to overwrite the environment values set by the > > > previous version of the same script, and running "make reconfig", its > > > --version output told me this time "Tiny version with X11-Motif GUI". > > > The relevant lines in the config log are now > > > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... -lXm > > > > > > Is this expected? If just specifying that the Motif lib is named libXm > > > (without mentioning a directory) makes configure find it, I would have > > > expected it to already know that. Or is that name nonstandard? > > > > It's not about the lib name, it's about finding the library to link > > with. A sequence of directories are checked for: > > libXm.a > > libXm.dll.a > > libXm.so* > > libXm.sl > > libXm.dylib > > > > Perhaps the name of the library changed? On my system I can find > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXm.a > > > > The check hasn't changed for a long time. It can be found in > > src/configure.ac around line 2960. > > According to the YaST installer, openSUSE Tumbleweed package libXm4 > titled "Motif runtime library" installs (only) files > /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4 and /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4.0.4 > > so I did > > pushd /usr/lib64 > ls -l libXm* > > which answered > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Mar 19 23:38 libXm.so -> libXm.so.4.0.4 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Mar 19 23:38 libXm.so.4 -> libXm.so.4.0.4 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3021784 Mar 19 23:38 libXm.so.4.0.4 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Mar 19 23:28 libXmu.so -> libXmu.so.6.2.0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Mar 19 23:28 libXmu.so.6 -> libXmu.so.6.2.0 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 113936 Mar 19 23:28 libXmu.so.6.2.0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Mar 19 23:28 libXmuu.so -> libXmuu.so.1.0.0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Mar 19 23:28 libXmuu.so.1 -> libXmuu.so.1.0.0 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22568 Mar 19 23:28 libXmuu.so.1.0.0 > > I think only the first three lines in this list are relevant. IOW on > my system there are three files answering to /usr/lib64/libXm.so* in > your list, two of which are soft links to the third one. IIUC by > giving configure the argument --with-motif-lib=-lXm it doesn't search > for the lib but just passes -lXm to the linker, which finds > /usr/lib64/libXm.so -> libXm.so.4.0.4 and happily uses that (as it > should) to find the Motif entry points. So perhaps it's because configure doesn't check /usr/lib64, and the library was moved there recently? You can try by editing src/auto/configure and around line 10221; add "/usr/lib64" before "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu" in the assignment to "gui_libs". -- Q: What do you call a fish without an eye? A: fsh! Q: What do you call a deer with no eyes? A: no eye deer. Q: What do you call a deer with no eyes and no legs? A: still no eye deer. /// Bram Moolenaar -- b...@moolenaar.net -- http://www.Moolenaar.net \\\ /// \\\ \\\sponsor Vim, vote for features -- http://www.Vim.org/sponsor/ /// \\\help me help AIDS victims -- http://ICCF-Holland.org/// -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/20230410190725.AE2111C03DE%40moolenaar.net.
'delcombine' doesn't work as expected
I'm currently on 9.0.1437, and did 'set delcombine'. After 'x' on a character with combining characters, and subsequent 'p', the entire character w/ all its combining characters was pasted. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/9e4388ea-1851-4c71-bad9-de60912644ben%40googlegroups.com.
Re: Finding the Motif libs
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 11:02 PM Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > > Tony wrote: > > > Recently (but I'm not sure when) my supposedly Motif gvim started > > getting compiled without GUI. Examination of the config log showed the > > following lines: > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... no > > checking for location of Motif GUI libs... > > > > After some trial and error, I found out that by changing just one line > > in my environment settings, as follows: > > > > from: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif' > > to: export CONF_OPT_GUI='--enable-gui=motif --with-motif-lib=-lXm' > > > > (and doing no other changes), then sourcing the configure script again > > in the same shell to overwrite the environment values set by the > > previous version of the same script, and running "make reconfig", its > > --version output told me this time "Tiny version with X11-Motif GUI". > > The relevant lines in the config log are now > > > > checking --enable-gui argument... Motif GUI support > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > > checking for location of Motif GUI includes... in default path > > checking --with-motif-lib argument... -lXm > > > > Is this expected? If just specifying that the Motif lib is named libXm > > (without mentioning a directory) makes configure find it, I would have > > expected it to already know that. Or is that name nonstandard? > > It's not about the lib name, it's about finding the library to link > with. A sequence of directories are checked for: > libXm.a > libXm.dll.a > libXm.so* > libXm.sl > libXm.dylib > > Perhaps the name of the library changed? On my system I can find > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXm.a > > The check hasn't changed for a long time. It can be found in > src/configure.ac around line 2960. According to the YaST installer, openSUSE Tumbleweed package libXm4 titled "Motif runtime library" installs (only) files /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4 and /usr/lib64/libXm.so.4.0.4 so I did pushd /usr/lib64 ls -l libXm* which answered lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Mar 19 23:38 libXm.so -> libXm.so.4.0.4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Mar 19 23:38 libXm.so.4 -> libXm.so.4.0.4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3021784 Mar 19 23:38 libXm.so.4.0.4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Mar 19 23:28 libXmu.so -> libXmu.so.6.2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Mar 19 23:28 libXmu.so.6 -> libXmu.so.6.2.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 113936 Mar 19 23:28 libXmu.so.6.2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Mar 19 23:28 libXmuu.so -> libXmuu.so.1.0.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Mar 19 23:28 libXmuu.so.1 -> libXmuu.so.1.0.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22568 Mar 19 23:28 libXmuu.so.1.0.0 I think only the first three lines in this list are relevant. IOW on my system there are three files answering to /usr/lib64/libXm.so* in your list, two of which are soft links to the third one. IIUC by giving configure the argument --with-motif-lib=-lXm it doesn't search for the lib but just passes -lXm to the linker, which finds /usr/lib64/libXm.so -> libXm.so.4.0.4 and happily uses that (as it should) to find the Motif entry points. Best regards, Tony. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAJkCKXt8WC4rPt-hhmTYxYrDwO42p59sxMuqCCR4C35ay0wSkg%40mail.gmail.com.