Re: vim.org is down
* MC Andre andrew.penneba...@gmail.com [150428 13:26]: No, the point is for **newbies** to be able to reach vim.org and have an automatic redirect to www.vim.org, without requiring any special user configuration. Tips like modify your hosts file assume the user is already an advanced user, defeating the whole purpose of this request. Could the DNS admin please drop in whatever configuration is necessary to achieve this redirect? No, the point is that in «http://example.org/some/page», example.org is a host name, not a domain name or service name. This is by design. The hostmaster is free to make www.example.org and example.org point to the same host, if he desires, but it is not now, nor ever has been, mandatory. If you are given a URL, use it; don't strip the leading www. If you are not given a URL, Google for Vim to get the correct URL. This is what I would expect a newbie to do. I see nothing wrong with not having the domain name be a synonym for the web-serving host. This topic has been discussed on this list several times before, with the same answer every time. If the hostmasters were so inclined, they would have changed this already. ...Marvin -- -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups vim_dev group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: vim.org is down
Let's have the hostmaster do this. On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Marvin Renich m...@renich.org wrote: * MC Andre andrew.penneba...@gmail.com [150428 13:26]: No, the point is for **newbies** to be able to reach vim.org and have an automatic redirect to www.vim.org, without requiring any special user configuration. Tips like modify your hosts file assume the user is already an advanced user, defeating the whole purpose of this request. Could the DNS admin please drop in whatever configuration is necessary to achieve this redirect? No, the point is that in «http://example.org/some/page», example.org is a host name, not a domain name or service name. This is by design. The hostmaster is free to make www.example.org and example.org point to the same host, if he desires, but it is not now, nor ever has been, mandatory. If you are given a URL, use it; don't strip the leading www. If you are not given a URL, Google for Vim to get the correct URL. This is what I would expect a newbie to do. I see nothing wrong with not having the domain name be a synonym for the web-serving host. This topic has been discussed on this list several times before, with the same answer every time. If the hostmasters were so inclined, they would have changed this already. ...Marvin -- -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups vim_dev group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, Andrew Pennebaker www.yellosoft.us -- -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups vim_dev group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: vim.org is down
在 2011年4月23日星期六 UTC+8上午8:22:06，Ben Schmidt写道： Jason wrote: There is no A record for the domain name vim.org. That is, this link shouldn't work: http://vim.org/ That's correct, actually. Not only doesn't it work, but it shouldn't work. It is a shame people have abused DNS and expect it to work. Marc wrote: There have been lot's of discussion about this on the mailinglist. That this topic is being written about again and again is a reason to change it. IMHO. To some extent, I agree. It'd be nice to 'fix' this, just to silence the noise on the mailing list. But how? We can't CNAME it; it would be against spec, and would break things. We can't add an A record, because sourceforge might change it under us and/or we don't know what magic they might be doing with load balancing, etc. that we would irresponsibly bypass if we did that. Perhaps the simplest thing is to get some cheap 'DNS hosting' that offers a 'redirect' function. Basically the function just has a server listen on port 80 for requests and return a 3xx (preferably 301 in our case) redirect (to http://www.vim.org/ in our case) whenever it gets one. No smart URL rewriting or anything. We might already have it (it commonly is included with domain names in my experience) and just need to set it up. If not, in my experience, it's very cheap, something like a year's worth of hosting for the price of a glass of fruit juice. Because it's actually a webserver, not done in DNS, it bypasses the DNS-related difficulties, and because it's such a simple task and it should be low-traffic anyway, loading isn't an issue. Ben. I know wwwizer provides a server for this, just point vim.org to 174.129.25.170, it'll do a 301 redirection to www.vim.org -- -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups vim_dev group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: vim.org is down
Me too. If you want to be able to address vim.org without the www., then either use a browser which adds it, or put in your hosts file the line mentioned a couple of posts earlier, and you'll never see that there is no A record that your DNS server can find. No, the point is for **newbies** to be able to reach vim.org and have an automatic redirect to www.vim.org, without requiring any special user configuration. Tips like modify your hosts file assume the user is already an advanced user, defeating the whole purpose of this request. Could the DNS admin please drop in whatever configuration is necessary to achieve this redirect? -- -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups vim_dev group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
vim.org currently down
At the moment there appears to be a problem with the vim.org domain. I do not know how long it will take to fix this. For the time being: - For the website use: http://vim.sourceforge.net - For the maillists use the @googlegroups.com addresses. Note that this uses an underscore: vim_dev instead of vim-dev. -- BEDEVERE: Look! It's the old man from scene 24 - what's he Doing here? ARTHUR: He is the keeper of the Bridge. He asks each traveler five questions ... GALAHAD: Three questions. Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- b...@moolenaar.net -- http://www.Moolenaar.net \\\ ///sponsor Vim, vote for features -- http://www.Vim.org/sponsor/ \\\ \\\ an exciting new programming language -- http://www.Zimbu.org/// \\\help me help AIDS victims -- http://ICCF-Holland.org/// -- -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups vim_dev group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: vim.org currently down
At the moment there appears to be a problem with the vim.org domain. I do not know how long it will take to fix this. For the time being: - For the website use: http://vim.sourceforge.net - For the maillists use the @googlegroups.com addresses. Note that this uses an underscore: vim_dev instead of vim-dev. Aand we're back! Thanks to Sec for fixing it. Keep those alternatives in mind in case it ever happens again. -- Sorry, no fortune today. /// Bram Moolenaar -- b...@moolenaar.net -- http://www.Moolenaar.net \\\ ///sponsor Vim, vote for features -- http://www.Vim.org/sponsor/ \\\ \\\ an exciting new programming language -- http://www.Zimbu.org/// \\\help me help AIDS victims -- http://ICCF-Holland.org/// -- -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups vim_dev group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: vim.org is down
http://groups.google.com/group/vim_dev/browse_thread/thread/36b81acf60548c20 I pointed out that it is a simple DNS issue, and gave some examples of Sourceforge sites that have chosen to add an A record for the domain (vim.org for us) in their DNS. ... 216.34.181.97 vim.org Turns out you're right, John, though I couldn't find any actual evidence in your mail or the thread you cited to prove it. :-) However, this page does prove it: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Custom%20VHOSTs Since SF recommend it, putting an A record for the bare domain must be OK and not mess up their load balancing or anything (though without checking their docs, we couldn't have known that; another project's doing it doesn't make it right). IMHO, it would be wise to update our config so that it matches SF's recommendation. I agree with the DNS admin that people *should* use www. I don't really think people should use Chrome either, which is where the problem rears its head because Chrome doesn't automatically add the www for you if it has a failure. But that doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't support it. In fact, IMHO, I have an opinion is a pretty poor reason not to do something, and other good reasons not to do this seem to be vanishing. Might as well take a few seconds to update the config and help these guys out. Ben. -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
RE: vim.org is down
Ben Schmidt wrote: Turns out you're right, John, though I couldn't find any actual evidence in your mail or the thread you cited to prove it. :-) However, this page does prove it: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Custom%20VHOSTs Interesting docs, thanks. BTW while in general defining an A record for vim.org would not be sufficient when several websites are hosted at the one IP address, the fact that putting the entry that I showed in your hosts file works does prove that adding the DNS A record would work (although of course it is ideal to know that Sourceforge support that, and it will work in the future). I suggest you try Bram, and see if he wants to ask for the change. I'm still in let sleeping dogs lie camp. John -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
Re: vim.org is down
On 23/04/11 6:29 PM, John Beckett wrote: Ben Schmidt wrote: Turns out you're right, John, though I couldn't find any actual evidence in your mail or the thread you cited to prove it. :-) However, this page does prove it: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Custom%20VHOSTs Interesting docs, thanks. BTW while in general defining an A record for vim.org would not be sufficient when several websites are hosted at the one IP address, the fact that putting the entry that I showed in your hosts file works does prove that adding the DNS A record would work (although of course it is ideal to know that Sourceforge support that, and it will work in the future). O, I never said it wouldn't *work*. It just might not be reliable or responsible. If SF changed things, it would break, and if they were doing load balancing or geotargetting with DNS, we'd be bypassing it by hard-coding in a static IP, so could screw things up for them. I suggest you try Bram, and see if he wants to ask for the change. I'm still in let sleeping dogs lie camp. Well, I've given my opinion: I think it would be a nice thing to do for those who want it, it is technically feasible, wouldn't hurt anything, and I can see no good reason not to do it. But I don't actually care about it, and it doesn't affect me. So, if anyone's going to actually push for it, or put in extra work to convince Bram/our DNS admin (sorry I don't know his name!)/anyone else relevant to make the change, it won't be me. Smiles, Ben. -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
Re: vim.org is down
On 23/04/11 10:29, John Beckett wrote: Ben Schmidt wrote: Turns out you're right, John, though I couldn't find any actual evidence in your mail or the thread you cited to prove it. :-) However, this page does prove it: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Custom%20VHOSTs Interesting docs, thanks. BTW while in general defining an A record for vim.org would not be sufficient when several websites are hosted at the one IP address, the fact that putting the entry that I showed in your hosts file works does prove that adding the DNS A record would work (although of course it is ideal to know that Sourceforge support that, and it will work in the future). I suggest you try Bram, and see if he wants to ask for the change. I'm still in let sleeping dogs lie camp. John Me too. If you want to be able to address vim.org without the www., then either use a browser which adds it, or put in your hosts file the line mentioned a couple of posts earlier, and you'll never see that there is no A record that your DNS server can find. Though if the nluug.nl admin (or someone) were to add a vim.org A record (for that domain which I don't use anyway) with a redirect to www.vim.org, I would certainly raise no hue and cry against it. Best regards, Tony. -- We are going to give a little something, a few little years more, to socialism, because socialism is defunct. It dies all by itself. The bad thing is that socialism, being a victim of its ... Did I say socialism? -- Fidel Castro -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
vim.org is down
Dear [web] admins, There is no A record for the domain name vim.org. That is, this link shouldn't work: http://vim.org/ Some browsers have a hack, where upon getting a failed DNS response, will try adding www. to the beginning, but some won't. And some of us use a DNS resolver (like opendns) that brings us to a search page for things with no A record. It is extremely rare for a site not to work without (the admitedly redundant) www. prefix. Now I'll admit, that people who type domain names tend to be more technical, and that people will mostly be able to find your site anyway, but it is irritating, needlessly wastes people's time, and makes you look bad. More than once, I've typed vim.org in the address bar, gotten an error page, then went to google to find your site. Please make http://vim.org/ work, either my redirecting to http://www.vim.org/ or as an alternate address. Thank you,- Jason -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
Re: vim.org is down
There have been lot's of discussion about this on the mailinglist. That this topic is being written about again and again is a reason to change it. IMHO. Marc Weber -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
Re: vim.org is down
Jason wrote: There is no A record for the domain name vim.org. That is, this link shouldn't work: http://vim.org/ That's correct, actually. Not only doesn't it work, but it shouldn't work. It is a shame people have abused DNS and expect it to work. Marc wrote: There have been lot's of discussion about this on the mailinglist. That this topic is being written about again and again is a reason to change it. IMHO. To some extent, I agree. It'd be nice to 'fix' this, just to silence the noise on the mailing list. But how? We can't CNAME it; it would be against spec, and would break things. We can't add an A record, because sourceforge might change it under us and/or we don't know what magic they might be doing with load balancing, etc. that we would irresponsibly bypass if we did that. Perhaps the simplest thing is to get some cheap 'DNS hosting' that offers a 'redirect' function. Basically the function just has a server listen on port 80 for requests and return a 3xx (preferably 301 in our case) redirect (to http://www.vim.org/ in our case) whenever it gets one. No smart URL rewriting or anything. We might already have it (it commonly is included with domain names in my experience) and just need to set it up. If not, in my experience, it's very cheap, something like a year's worth of hosting for the price of a glass of fruit juice. Because it's actually a webserver, not done in DNS, it bypasses the DNS-related difficulties, and because it's such a simple task and it should be low-traffic anyway, loading isn't an issue. Ben. -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
Re: vim.org is down
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011, Ben Schmidt wrote: Marc wrote: There have been lot's of discussion about this on the mailinglist. That this topic is being written about again and again is a reason to change it. IMHO. To some extent, I agree. It'd be nice to 'fix' this, just to silence the noise on the mailing list. [...] Perhaps the simplest thing is to get some cheap 'DNS hosting' that offers a 'redirect' function. Basically the function just has a server listen on port 80 for requests and return a 3xx (preferably 301 in our case) redirect (to http://www.vim.org/ in our case) whenever it gets one. I've taken the liberty of doing just this for vim.org on my own webhost. (I have ten domain names included in my plan, and I'm only using eight). If an 'A' record for vim.org were created with the value 64.130.10.15 (www5.pairlite.com = benizi.com), this would work instantly. I did what I outlined in my post[1] from the last time this came up, but even more simply: www5$ cat vim.org/.htaccess Redirect permanent / http://www.vim.org/ -- Best, Ben H [1] http://groups.google.com/group/vim_use/msg/d9e1ce19939ae9ad -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
Re: vim.org is down
Perhaps the simplest thing is to get some cheap 'DNS hosting' that offers a 'redirect' function. Basically the function just has a server listen on port 80 for requests and return a 3xx (preferably 301 in our case) redirect (to http://www.vim.org/ in our case) whenever it gets one. I've taken the liberty of doing just this for vim.org on my own webhost. (I have ten domain names included in my plan, and I'm only using eight). If an 'A' record for vim.org were created with the value 64.130.10.15 (www5.pairlite.com = benizi.com), this would work instantly. I did what I outlined in my post[1] from the last time this came up, but even more simply: www5$ cat vim.org/.htaccess Redirect permanent / http://www.vim.org/ Verified; this is working. Ben. -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
Re: vim.org is down
On 23/04/11 2:33 PM, Ben Schmidt wrote: Perhaps the simplest thing is to get some cheap 'DNS hosting' that offers a 'redirect' function. Basically the function just has a server listen on port 80 for requests and return a 3xx (preferably 301 in our case) redirect (to http://www.vim.org/ in our case) whenever it gets one. I've taken the liberty of doing just this for vim.org on my own webhost. (I have ten domain names included in my plan, and I'm only using eight). If an 'A' record for vim.org were created with the value 64.130.10.15 (www5.pairlite.com = benizi.com), this would work instantly. I did what I outlined in my post[1] from the last time this came up, but even more simply: www5$ cat vim.org/.htaccess Redirect permanent / http://www.vim.org/ Verified; this is working. Just to clarify, I don't mean that it's working for end users; I just mean it looks to me like the server is responding correctly, so if our DNS admin agrees to make the change outlined above, things should go smoothly. Ben. -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
RE: vim.org is down
Ben Schmidt wrote: Just to clarify, I don't mean that it's working for end users; I just mean it looks to me like the server is responding correctly, so if our DNS admin agrees to make the change outlined above, things should go smoothly. Here is a rehash from the August 2010 thread: http://groups.google.com/group/vim_dev/browse_thread/thread/36b81acf60548c20 I pointed out that it is a simple DNS issue, and gave some examples of Sourceforge sites that have chosen to add an A record for the domain (vim.org for us) in their DNS. Also, anyone can browse http://vim.org/ ok if they put the following in their hosts file: 216.34.181.97 vim.org Searching the above thread for This is by design shows the response from the vim.org DNS manager. Unless we double their pay, I don't think we should expect a change of mind. My purpose for posting is to say that no web redirect service is needed, and I still think that it is not advisable to disturb a very reliable DNS service. John -- You received this message from the vim_dev maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
