Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[the pickle]

At 19:36 -0400 on 24/07/01, Steve Moody wrote:

>At 9:41 PM -0400 7/23/2001, the pickle wrote:
>>  >   Anyone here try that for swapping an internal SCSI drive with a
>>>10gb IDE in a vintage Mac?
>>
>>As I said, Peter Haas over on Quadlist has at least one 950 running with a
>>40GB IDE drive in it with this card...
>
>   Do you think it would work in my LCIII with OS 7.1?  Of course, if
>it doesn't work, I can always use it to install a 75gig in my B/W.

Do you really wanna spend $100 to put a 75GB drive in your LC III?  As I
said, you probably ought to check it out more carefully with Peter or with
ACARD's web site...

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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[Steve Moody]

At 9:41 PM -0400 7/23/2001, the pickle wrote:
>  >   Anyone here try that for swapping an internal SCSI drive with a
>>10gb IDE in a vintage Mac?
>
>As I said, Peter Haas over on Quadlist has at least one 950 running with a
>40GB IDE drive in it with this card...

   Do you think it would work in my LCIII with OS 7.1?  Of course, if 
it doesn't work, I can always use it to install a 75gig in my B/W.
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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- John Kocijanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions.  I've had no luck with
> these drives.  The patched drive setup does not see
> the drives.  They don't even appear in the listing
> to
> be formated.  I've tried to format them using a
> Performa 636 (as well as a 6200) that boots from an
> external scsi hard drive.  The external drive has ID
> 0.  Would that make a difference?  Both drives start
> to spin up when I boot the system then die out.  Is
> there anything else I can try?

Do you have the drives set as master or single?
Some drives have a seperate setting for master with
slave present.

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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[the pickle]

At 21:34 -0400 on 23/07/01, Steve Moody wrote:

>At 7:16 AM -0400 7/23/2001, the pickle wrote:
>>http://www.acard.com/
>
>   Anyone here try that for swapping an internal SCSI drive with a
>10gb IDE in a vintage Mac?

As I said, Peter Haas over on Quadlist has at least one 950 running with a
40GB IDE drive in it with this card...

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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[Steve Moody]

At 7:16 AM -0400 7/23/2001, the pickle wrote:
>http://www.acard.com/

   Anyone here try that for swapping an internal SCSI drive with a 
10gb IDE in a vintage Mac?
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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

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on 7/23/01 6:22 PM, John Kocijanski at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestions.  I've had no luck with
> these drives.  The patched drive setup does not see
> the drives.  They don't even appear in the listing to
> be formated.  I've tried to format them using a
> Performa 636 (as well as a 6200) that boots from an
> external scsi hard drive.  The external drive has ID
> 0.  Would that make a difference?  Both drives start
> to spin up when I boot the system then die out.  Is
> there anything else I can try?
> 
> John

If your external drive box is addressable, change it to something besides 0,
4 is a good one. 


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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[John Kocijanski]

Thanks for the suggestions.  I've had no luck with
these drives.  The patched drive setup does not see
the drives.  They don't even appear in the listing to
be formated.  I've tried to format them using a
Performa 636 (as well as a 6200) that boots from an
external scsi hard drive.  The external drive has ID
0.  Would that make a difference?  Both drives start
to spin up when I boot the system then die out.  Is
there anything else I can try?

John

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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

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At 06:12 -0700 on 23/07/01, Jeff Garrison wrote:

>This seems like a pie-in-the-sky idea right now. See this site:
>
>http://www.paylesscomputer.com/rarepart/7720u.html
>
>The price prevents me from calling this a viable idea. There's a
>lot of good older SCSI drives out there for less than the advertised price.

I didn't say it was economical, only that it could be done.  After all,
designing a NuBus IDE card from scratch wouldn't be economical either but
it might be a fun hacking project...

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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[Jeff Garrison]

-Original Message-
From: the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Vintage Macs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: Format a PC IDE Drive


>At 00:35 -0700 on 23/07/01, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
>
>>Black*Fire http://www.blackfire.com.au/ makes an
>>IDE to SCSI conversion adaptor that plugs directly
>>onto the back of an IDE device to convert it to SCSI.
>>Unfortunately it will only fit in a 5.25" bay, even
>>when used with a 3.5" drive.
>
>...and AFAIK, no one has ever been able to get Blackfire to sell to
>individuals.  The ACARD IDE-to-SCSI converter works perfectly well and
>doesn't have these silly limitations (like being too big to fit a 3.5" bay)
>IIRC.  Check out
>
>http://www.acard.com/
>
>p



This seems like a pie-in-the-sky idea right now. See this site:

http://www.paylesscomputer.com/rarepart/7720u.html

The price prevents me from calling this a viable idea. There's a
lot of good older SCSI drives out there for less than the advertised price.

Jeff


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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[the pickle]

At 00:35 -0700 on 23/07/01, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

>Black*Fire http://www.blackfire.com.au/ makes an
>IDE to SCSI conversion adaptor that plugs directly
>onto the back of an IDE device to convert it to SCSI.
>Unfortunately it will only fit in a 5.25" bay, even
>when used with a 3.5" drive.

...and AFAIK, no one has ever been able to get Blackfire to sell to
individuals.  The ACARD IDE-to-SCSI converter works perfectly well and
doesn't have these silly limitations (like being too big to fit a 3.5" bay)
IIRC.  Check out

http://www.acard.com/

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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[Gregg Eshelman]

Black*Fire http://www.blackfire.com.au/ makes an
IDE to SCSI conversion adaptor that plugs directly
onto the back of an IDE device to convert it to SCSI.
Unfortunately it will only fit in a 5.25" bay, even
when used with a 3.5" drive.

--- Norbert van Bemmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Actually, the Drive Setup patch guide linked in the
> FAQ has directions for
> >hacking Drive Setup to be a universal formatter for
> ANY drive, not just
> >SCSI drives.
> >
> 
> That still leaves the question if it's possible to
> put an IDE drive in a
> Vintage Mac. Anyone ever tried this? I have some
> nice IDE drives I could
> use for an experiment.


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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[Norbert van Bemmel]

>Actually, the Drive Setup patch guide linked in the FAQ has directions for
>hacking Drive Setup to be a universal formatter for ANY drive, not just
>SCSI drives.
>

That still leaves the question if it's possible to put an IDE drive in a
Vintage Mac. Anyone ever tried this? I have some nice IDE drives I could
use for an experiment.



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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[the pickle]

At 00:23 +0200 on 23/07/01, Norbert van Bemmel wrote:

>Are you putting an IDE drive in a Vintage Mac that is built for SCSI? An
>interesting experiment, that's for sure! I was just trying to figure out
>the size of the hard disk of a Dell PC I  found on the street tonight, but
>I had no plans of using it in one of my Vintage Macs.
>
>The FAQ only mentions SCSI hard disks, so I'm afraid this will never work.

Actually, the Drive Setup patch guide linked in the FAQ has directions for
hacking Drive Setup to be a universal formatter for ANY drive, not just
SCSI drives.

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Re: Format a PC IDE Drive

[Norbert van Bemmel]

Are you putting an IDE drive in a Vintage Mac that is built for SCSI? An
interesting experiment, that's for sure! I was just trying to figure out
the size of the hard disk of a Dell PC I  found on the street tonight, but
I had no plans of using it in one of my Vintage Macs.

The FAQ only mentions SCSI hard disks, so I'm afraid this will never work.

>Hello.  I have a pair of PC IDE drives (a Quantum and
>a JST) I would like to format but Drive Setup (1.7.3)
>does not see them.  Can I Resedit Drive Setup so that
>it can see them?  If so where can I find that
>information?  I also tried FWB Hard Disk Toolkit 2.5.3
>and it can't see the Quantum and it only sees the JST
>as a generic drive. FWB tries to format the JST but it
>says it can not because there are no blocks on the
>drive.   Both drives seem to want to spin up but start
>to then stop.  Anyone have any ideas on this?  Thanks.
>



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Format a PC IDE Drive

[John Kocijanski]

Hello.  I have a pair of PC IDE drives (a Quantum and
a JST) I would like to format but Drive Setup (1.7.3) 
does not see them.  Can I Resedit Drive Setup so that
it can see them?  If so where can I find that
information?  I also tried FWB Hard Disk Toolkit 2.5.3
and it can't see the Quantum and it only sees the JST
as a generic drive. FWB tries to format the JST but it
says it can not because there are no blocks on the
drive.   Both drives seem to want to spin up but start
to then stop.  Anyone have any ideas on this?  Thanks.

John

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