Re: Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[Mike Evans]

I never managed to install Open Transport on my LC (via the copy in System
7.5.3 Installer or via an OT Installer (1.1.1 and 1.1.2) on its own). Maybe
an earlier version than OT1.1 will work on LC's, but I had no luck with
version 1.1.1 or 1.1.2.
Actually, to clarify, it was worse than that, in that the LC had a processor
upgrade card (Sonnet Allegro 030 33MHz), which the OT Installers couldn't
'see'. The Installer just said "you need an 030 processor or higher to run
this software" or something like that.
Kind of presumed when I bought the card  that it wld allow me into a
wonderful new world of speed and stability, using stuff like OT,  but,
oh well, now I know different. I'm never quite sure if the card is working
at all, actually. 'Clockometer' shows it as running at 33MHz, so I guess it
must be... but it still seems that my IIci (030 25 MHz) might be faster
(although it does have an FPU... that must help).
I searched the Internet q a lot but never found any info on how to make the
OT Installer recognize the 030... Anyone had any experience with these
cards?
Mike
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Date:   Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:12:31 +0200
From:   Marten van de Kraats <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
Subject:Re: Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

>
>And, um, doesn't Open Transport require at least an
>030 CPU? Or have I forgotten something? Haven't
>ever actually used a Mac II or LC and the only 68000
>based Mac I've used was a Classic with a bad HD.
>Everything else has sported an 030 and newer.

68020 is minumum for OT.
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Date:   Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:38:55 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject:Re: Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]


--- Marten van de Kraats <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:
> >
> >And, um, doesn't Open Transport require at least an
> >030 CPU? Or have I forgotten something? Haven't
> >ever actually used a Mac II or LC and the only
> 68000
> >based Mac I've used was a Classic with a bad HD.
> >Everything else has sported an 030 and newer.
> 
> 68020 is minumum for OT.

Good. It will work on that guy's LC then. :)




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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[RomRider]

Ok just confirmed that the above does work... when I clicked on download of
the .sea.bin file it of course asks where I want to save it, I changed the
name to .sea.bin.txt then put it on a mac floppy moved it over and renamed
it on the mac machine.. :)

Thanks for the tip you really saved me a tonne of time having my friend
bring his powerbook over which is already painfull slow running system 8.6
:)


> > WOW! are you serious? hahahah If I had known that I would have saved
myself
> > oodles of time...
> >
> > > The trick to prevent mangling HQX stuff on peecee when it asks you
> > > where to put on your peecee change the name to .sea.bin.txt if it
> > > is a .hqx format then begin download.  Worked a treat.  Rename it
> > > back after that file is transferred onto Mac's.
>
> Yes, for real.  Discovered myself after trying winder version of
> stuffit which still mangles them.
>



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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[jpero]

> Reply-to:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> From:  "RomRider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:   Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]
> Date:  Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:03:53 -0600

> WOW! are you serious? hahahah If I had known that I would have saved myself
> oodles of time...
> 
> > The trick to prevent mangling HQX stuff on peecee when it asks you
> > where to put on your peecee change the name to .sea.bin.txt if it
> > is a .hqx format then begin download.  Worked a treat.  Rename it
> > back after that file is transferred onto Mac's.

Yes, for real.  Discovered myself after trying winder version of 
stuffit which still mangles them.

This is why this winder's explorer is called exploder for sure.

Cheers,

Jason 

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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[RomRider]

WOW! are you serious? hahahah If I had known that I would have saved myself
oodles of time...

> The trick to prevent mangling HQX stuff on peecee when it asks you
> where to put on your peecee change the name to .sea.bin.txt if it
> is a .hqx format then begin download.  Worked a treat.  Rename it
> back after that file is transferred onto Mac's.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jason
>



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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[jpero]

> Reply-to:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> From:  "RomRider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:   Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]
> Date:  Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:18:18 -0600

> Now on to my next small probem, the three disk update floppies are
> .sea.bin files which when I download through my PC get mangled as many
> people have told me before... anyone willing to convert them to .HQX files
> for me so I can bring them down to floppies using my PC then transfer them
> to my mac via the PeeSea?  my mac does not yet have any access to the
> network because macTCP does not seem to be able to use shaw@home's DHCP...

The trick to prevent mangling HQX stuff on peecee when it asks you 
where to put on your peecee change the name to .sea.bin.txt if it 
is a .hqx format then begin download.  Worked a treat.  Rename it 
back after that file is transferred onto Mac's.

Cheers,

Jason 

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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[the pickle]

At 13:14 -0600 on 26/07/01, RomRider wrote:

>it's got all 10 megs of ram in it and seems to run 7.5.3 very well... I only
>want to update to 7.5.5 so I can get open transport going since I can't
>figure out how to get it on the net using DHCP and my cablemodem...

Drop back to 7.1 and install OT on that then.  It'll be MUCH faster and
more stable.

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Re: Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Marten van de Kraats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >And, um, doesn't Open Transport require at least an
> >030 CPU? Or have I forgotten something? Haven't
> >ever actually used a Mac II or LC and the only
> 68000
> >based Mac I've used was a Classic with a bad HD.
> >Everything else has sported an 030 and newer.
> 
> 68020 is minumum for OT.

Good. It will work on that guy's LC then. :)

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Re: Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[Marten van de Kraats]

>
>And, um, doesn't Open Transport require at least an
>030 CPU? Or have I forgotten something? Haven't
>ever actually used a Mac II or LC and the only 68000
>based Mac I've used was a Classic with a bad HD.
>Everything else has sported an 030 and newer.

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Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[Gregg Eshelman]

Hmm, MacBinary files usually download OK onto a PC.
Tried dropping them onto Stuffit Expander or running
Expander then using the menu commands to manually
decode them?

And, um, doesn't Open Transport require at least an
030 CPU? Or have I forgotten something? Haven't
ever actually used a Mac II or LC and the only 68000
based Mac I've used was a Classic with a bad HD.
Everything else has sported an 030 and newer.

--- RomRider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now on to my next small probem, the three disk
> update floppies are
> .sea.bin files which when I download through my
> PC get mangled as many
> people have told me before... anyone willing to
> convert them to .HQX files
> for me so I can bring them down to floppies using my
> PC then transfer them
> to my mac via the PeeSea?  my mac does not yet have
> any access to the
> network because macTCP does not seem to be able to
> use shaw@home's DHCP...


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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- RomRider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it's got all 10 megs of ram in it and seems to run
> 7.5.3 very well... I only
> want to update to 7.5.5 so I can get open transport
> going since I can't
> figure out how to get it on the net using DHCP and
> my cablemodem...

You DON'T NEED 7.5.x to run Open Transport. Go to
http://devworld.apple.com/sdk and download then
install Drag Manager, Thread Manager and SFM 68k.
Then get Open Transport 1.1.1 AND 1.1.2 from Apple's
FTP site. Install 1.1.1 then immediately after
rebooting, install 1.1.2. You'll also want to replace
the 7.1 Finder with Finder 7.1.3 that comes with
Drag Manager, even though the included instructions
say it doesn't.

Its also a good idea to trash any extentions and
control panels, or at least disable them, that don't
work with the LC. Control panels are easy, just
doubleclick on each one and dump the ones that say
they won't work on this Macintosh. For extentions
you'll need a guide or someone who knows them well.
Anything that says PowerBook can go straight to the
trashcan. (Unless you have a PowerBook. ;-)

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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[RomRider]

Nah, I have a pay pal account but no credit card to get any money into the
account itself... I'll get a friend to help me with this soon enough just
been to busy for that...

> disks separately.  Did you get the PayPal EFT done, or do you want to
> pay with M.O.?
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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[RomRider]

Now on to my next small probem, the three disk update floppies are
.sea.bin files which when I download through my PC get mangled as many
people have told me before... anyone willing to convert them to .HQX files
for me so I can bring them down to floppies using my PC then transfer them
to my mac via the PeeSea?  my mac does not yet have any access to the
network because macTCP does not seem to be able to use shaw@home's DHCP...

>
> Navigating through Apple's "new and improved" support/software section
> of their website is a real hair-puller, but you'd eventually wind up here:
> http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
> The System 7.5.5 Update is a three-disk download.
>
> BTW, the Apple System 7.5.3 set is 19 disks, plus the three 7.5.5 Update
> disks, for a total of 22 disks.  And no, I don't want to sell the Update
> disks separately.  Did you get the PayPal EFT done, or do you want to
> pay with M.O.?
>



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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[RomRider]

it's got all 10 megs of ram in it and seems to run 7.5.3 very well... I only
want to update to 7.5.5 so I can get open transport going since I can't
figure out how to get it on the net using DHCP and my cablemodem...

> BTW, considering we are talking about a LC I would not install
> anything newer than 7.1 and preferably even something older (the FAQ
> will tell you what would be the best). LC's are slow and crippled
> 68020's.



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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

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>  >
>>  Absolutely i'd love to have the 7.5.5 update on floppy disks know where I
>>  can get em?
>
>Navigating through Apple's "new and improved" support/software section
>of their website is a real hair-puller, but you'd eventually wind up here:
>http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
>The System 7.5.5 Update is a three-disk download.
>
Stuff like this is still within easy reach at ftp.apple.com. You 
really don't need that new and improved page for older software.
BTW, considering we are talking about a LC I would not install 
anything newer than 7.1 and preferably even something older (the FAQ 
will tell you what would be the best). LC's are slow and crippled 
68020's.
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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

[Gene Osburn]

> From: "RomRider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: my stash of Macs
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:24:07 -0600
> 
> > > I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... &
> > > system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5
> >
> > You would *REALLY* love it with System 7.1 -- much quicker and easier on
> > RAM demands.  You would, however, need to add other bits and pieces for
> > additional 7.5/7.6 functionality...see the pickle's FAQ for details.
> >
> > BTW, do you still want that set of System 7.5.3 disks (with 7.5.5
> update)...?
> 
> Absolutely i'd love to have the 7.5.5 update on floppy disks know where I
> can get em?

Navigating through Apple's "new and improved" support/software section
of their website is a real hair-puller, but you'd eventually wind up here:
http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
The System 7.5.5 Update is a three-disk download.

BTW, the Apple System 7.5.3 set is 19 disks, plus the three 7.5.5 Update
disks, for a total of 22 disks.  And no, I don't want to sell the Update
disks separately.  Did you get the PayPal EFT done, or do you want to
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