About service manuals

[Soviet]

Thanks a lot for the manual Doug McNutt and also im sorry for you to being
banned by the matter :( .


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Re: SERVICE MANUALS

[Gamba]

>It would take forever on my 28.8 dialup...

No excuse! :-)
I have downloaded all of them, plus updates, at 28.8.

Gamba




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Re: SERVICE MANUALS

[Brett Haselton]

It would take forever on my 28.8 dialup... Being a vintage Mac goes all
the way. Where I am there is no broadband or cable..




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At 16:06 -0700 on 17/02/03, Brett Haselton wrote:

>I wouldn't sell THEM MYSELF BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTD IN ACQUIRING SOME.

Then download them.
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Re: SERVICE MANUALS

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At 16:06 -0700 on 17/02/03, Brett Haselton wrote:

>I wouldn't sell THEM MYSELF BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTD IN ACQUIRING SOME.

Then download them.
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Re: SERVICE MANUALS

[Brett Haselton]

I wouldn't sell THEM MYSELF BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTD IN ACQUIRING SOME.
Btw Merch coupons are not to be resold. SO in a way they re protected.

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At 15:55 -0700 on 17/02/03, Brett Haselton wrote:

>Why. If people can sell merchandise coupons, burned cd's, etc  what is 
>wrong with service manuals on cd.. Burned.. Isn't Apple in favor of 
>open source and sharing...

Uh, merchandise coupons aren't copyrighted.  Both service manuals and
Service Source CDs are.

Nice try, though.
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At 15:55 -0700 on 17/02/03, Brett Haselton wrote:

>Why. If people can sell merchandise coupons, burned cd's, etc  what is
>wrong with service manuals on cd.. Burned.. Isn't Apple in favor of open
>source and sharing...

Uh, merchandise coupons aren't copyrighted.  Both service manuals and Service
Source CDs are.

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Re: SERVICE MANUALS

[Brett Haselton]

Why. If people can sell merchandise coupons, burned cd's, etc  what is
wrong with service manuals on cd.. Burned.. Isn't Apple in favor of open
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At 21:24 + on 17/02/03, Daniel Kendell wrote:

>I am in no way supporting pirates but things like this should be more 
>avalible. eg apple putting some on their site.

Most of them *are* freely available.  I don't have a problem with people
compiling them on CD.  I *do* have a problem with people selling those
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Re: SERVICE MANUALS

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At 21:24 + on 17/02/03, Daniel Kendell wrote:

>I am in no way supporting pirates but things like this should be more
>avalible. eg apple putting some on their site.

Most of them *are* freely available.  I don't have a problem with people
compiling them on CD.  I *do* have a problem with people selling those CDs on
eBay, and so does Apple.
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Re: SERVICE MANUALS

[Terry Ovans]

You don't have to remove me from the list, I will do it myself.  I never posted a URL 
to download or purchase the item that is in question.

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Re: SERVICE MANUALS

[Daniel Kendell]

bummer... :-(

Might have to do a bit of blagging at my nearby apple centre...see if they 
have any i could buy.

I am in no way supporting pirates but things like this should be more 
avalible. eg apple putting some on their site.

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Re: SERVICE MANUALS

[Mark Benson]

On Monday, Feb 17, 2003, at 14:32 Europe/London, Terry Ovans wrote:

> That is only one person's "humble" opinion.  I bought one of the 
> aforementioned CD's and I received everything I was promised and more. 
>  I have used them several times already for complex questions I had, 
> as well as simple little things that I did not know.  These "manuals" 
> are very useful to someone who is just getting into Macintosh upgrade 
> and repair.
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The vast majority are pirate copies of Apple Certified Technician's 
ServiceSource CD-ROMs. All the Service Manuals are copyrighted by Apple 
Computer Inc. and are not legally available to anyone other than 
dealers and service centres or certified technicians and personnel. Any 
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That is only one person's "humble" opinion.  I bought one of the aforementioned CD's 
and I received everything I was promised and more.  I have used them several times 
already for complex questions I had, as well as simple little things that I did not 
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Re: SERVICE MANUALS

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At 17:33 -0600 on 15/02/03, carolyn a atkinson wrote:

>do a search on ebay, and there is a guy that sells them on cd's for 9.99.

People who do that are the scum of the earth.  I wouldn't trust one any further
than I could throw him.

You pays your money, you takes your chances, but I certainly wouldn't bother
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SERVICE MANUALS

[carolyn a atkinson]

> From: "Daniel Kendell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Mac IIci startup probs
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:29:15 +
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>> 
> BTW, i am probably breaking some rule but anyone know where i can 
> get 
> service manuals so i can solve some problems myself?

Hi,

do a search on ebay, and there is a guy that sells them on cd's for 9.99.
 I got mine there and some others just in case.

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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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>  >
>
>Anyone have any idea why the above page is so slow to load in IE 5?
>
>Is the slowness exhibited in other browsers?  I haven't bothered to check yet.

iCab 2.6 and Lynx (:P) both load it fairly instantly. IE is known to 
be imperfect (No!), maybe this is one of those areas...

>I rather doubt it has anything to do with the table structure as I've been
>playing around with that myself and have found a much-abridged (and fully
>HTML 3.2-compliant) version of the page similarly slow to load.  If anyone
>wants to comment on that, see this link:
>
>

The page can be as compliant as you want it, IE may not be compliant 
to HTML 3.2 is some manner. IE is getting confused by the code, hence 
the slowness. 

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At 16:58 -0500 on 27/10/01, John Teffer wrote:

>on 10/27/01 4:35 PM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> At 16:33 -0800 on 26/10/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>
>> Anyone have any idea why the above page is so slow to load in IE 5?
>>
>> Is the slowness exhibited in other browsers?  I haven't bothered to
>>check yet.
>
>I can count to 6-one-thousand and the page is loaded on Netscape 4.78.
>
>Takes to 22-one-thousand on IE 5.0.

Precisely my point.  Now, anyone have an idea why this takes so long?
There isn't *that* much table rendering there...

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>>I can count to 6-one-thousand and the page is loaded on Netscape 4.78.<<

One-thousand four/five with 3.04 Gold.  Onna IIci.

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on 10/27/01 4:35 PM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> At 16:33 -0800 on 26/10/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
> Anyone have any idea why the above page is so slow to load in IE 5?
> 
> Is the slowness exhibited in other browsers?  I haven't bothered to check yet.

I can count to 6-one-thousand and the page is loaded on Netscape 4.78.

Takes to 22-one-thousand on IE 5.0.

My one-thousands are a little longer than seconds, I'm counting to the
rhythm of an R&B song on MTV.

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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

[the pickle]

At 16:33 -0800 on 26/10/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>

Anyone have any idea why the above page is so slow to load in IE 5?

Is the slowness exhibited in other browsers?  I haven't bothered to check yet.

I rather doubt it has anything to do with the table structure as I've been
playing around with that myself and have found a much-abridged (and fully
HTML 3.2-compliant) version of the page similarly slow to load.  If anyone
wants to comment on that, see this link:



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[the pickle]

At 11:59 -0800 on 27/10/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I think pickle has all of them too.

Yep, at least everything up through winter 2000.  I don't think I have the
manuals for anything MWSF 01 or newer, and I'm missing a few of the little
video clips and Hypercard stacks that go with the LaserWriter II series,
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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

[David Wood]

Fri, 26 Oct 2001 Gamba wrote:
>I just got a call from my ISP saying that they have received an
>"infringement" email from Apple that demands that I remove Apple Manuals
>from my site.


Amazing!

"Resources for the Older Macintosh" at
<http://w3.trib.com/~dwood/oldmac.shtml> had just added a "mirror" to
Gamba's site.

Can you imagine the coincidence? :>

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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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>At 8:50 PM -0400 10/26/01, the pickle wrote:
>>   >BTW. I don't understand how they can demand this. All the Manuals links go
>>>to Apple's site. I.O.W, I believe that I'm protected by free-speech,
>>>because I'm just posting links, (the Manuals are NOT on my ISP's server)!
>>
>>If they succeed in getting yours taken off, I will simply put up the page
>>in the FAQ as well as everywhere else I can sign up for a free WWW host.
>
>This should be a slap in the face:
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/stmoody/manuals.html

Ditto:

http://www.freehost.nu/members/enigmac/appleman.html

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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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Gregg wrote:

>I meant feed it your URL with all the links to each manual. :)

Oh.
FWIW, approx half of the links go to User's Manuals.

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FWIW2,
I already downloaded all of the service manuals.
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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Gregg wrote:
> 
> >If you have a lot of spare HD space, there's an
> >app called Page Sucker that should be able to
> download
> >all the manuals if you feed it that URL. :)
> 
> That might not work in this case, because going to
> the ftp directory for
> the Service Manuals,
>
ftp://ftp.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Misc/Service/servicemanuals/
> shows an empty directory.

I meant feed it your URL with all the links to each
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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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Gregg wrote:

>If you have a lot of spare HD space, there's an
>app called Page Sucker that should be able to download
>all the manuals if you feed it that URL. :)

That might not work in this case, because going to the ftp directory for
the Service Manuals,
<ftp://ftp.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Misc/Service/servicemanuals/>
shows an empty directory.

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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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--- Steve Moody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://homepage.mac.com/stmoody/manuals.html

You can also open PDFs with the File Open commands
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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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>
>  >If they succeed in getting yours taken off, I will simply put up the page
>>in the FAQ as well as everywhere else I can sign up for a free WWW host.
>
>This should be a slap in the face:
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/stmoody/manuals.html
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Cool place. Right under Apple's nose...  People often don't see stuff 
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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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At 8:50 PM -0400 10/26/01, the pickle wrote:
>  >BTW. I don't understand how they can demand this. All the Manuals links go
>>to Apple's site. I.O.W, I believe that I'm protected by free-speech,
>>because I'm just posting links, (the Manuals are NOT on my ISP's server)!
>
>If they succeed in getting yours taken off, I will simply put up the page
>in the FAQ as well as everywhere else I can sign up for a free WWW host.

   This should be a slap in the face:

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>BTW. I don't understand how they can demand this. All the Manuals links go
>to Apple's site. I.O.W, I believe that I'm protected by free-speech,
>because I'm just posting links, (the Manuals are NOT on my ISP's server)!

   I agree that it is silly that they want to force you to take those 
links down, but I want to point out that the US Constitution's 
protection of Free Speech is a limitation on government, not industry.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, 
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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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At 16:41 -0800 on 26/10/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>BTW. I don't understand how they can demand this. All the Manuals links go
>to Apple's site. I.O.W, I believe that I'm protected by free-speech,
>because I'm just posting links, (the Manuals are NOT on my ISP's server)!

If they succeed in getting yours taken off, I will simply put up the page
in the FAQ as well as everywhere else I can sign up for a free WWW host.

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Re: Get Service Manuals NOW

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>
>BTW. I don't understand how they can demand this. All the Manuals links go
>to Apple's site. I.O.W, I believe that I'm protected by free-speech,
>because I'm just posting links, (the Manuals are NOT on my ISP's server)!

This is madness! I wonder what's behind all this... How long did you 
have those links there?

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Get Service Manuals NOW

[gamba]

Hi listers,

I just got a call from my ISP saying that they have received an
"infringement" email from Apple that demands that I remove Apple Manuals
from my site.
I haven't seen the letter yet.
My ISP is having trouble forwarding the Apple email to me. :-)

I don't know how this is going to resolve, so I suggest that now is a good
time to get any Service Manuals that you might need.
I know of no other place to get them on the net.

<http://www.accesscom.com/~gamba/manuals2.html>

Gamba

BTW. I don't understand how they can demand this. All the Manuals links go
to Apple's site. I.O.W, I believe that I'm protected by free-speech,
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Re: Manuals ?

[A.Tuazon]

Found it!  Thanks Pickle!


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Re: Manuals ?

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>Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the manual for a Performa
>5200CD?  I want to install a larger HD.  Yes I know it's not vintage but
>maybe someone out there might know of a site that has a PDF format of the
>manuals for any Mac.

The FAQ has links to service manuals.

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Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the manual for a Performa
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Re: manuals

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--- the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> >Sorta like the Apple Recovery Archive on apple's
> >FTP with all the "empty" directories. If you
> >know the exact name of what you're after and
> >know the path, you could get all kinds of goodies.
> 
> ...which makes it totally worthless without a list
> of files...

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Re: manuals

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>Sorta like the Apple Recovery Archive on apple's
>FTP with all the "empty" directories. If you
>know the exact name of what you're after and
>know the path, you could get all kinds of goodies.

...which makes it totally worthless without a list of files...

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Re: manuals

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> >
> >>At 9:03 PM -0400 8/29/01, Vintage Macs wrote:
> >>>   >This came in handy for me today - had a
> client with 25 Macintosh
> >>>>Performa/Performa Plus Displays. 4 of them were
> exhibiting flickering
> >>>
> >>>you wanna 'splain how you get service manuals
> from that search engine?
> >>
> >>just type in what yer lookin fer and hit the
> return key : )
> >
> >Doesn't work.  Tried your example.
> 
> http://www.info.apple.com/manuals/manuals.taf
> 
> It's kind of like the yellow pages. Type in a
> description and keep 
> tweaking it till it works. Nobody could guess the
> NAME of an Apple manual.

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Re: manuals

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>
>>At 9:03 PM -0400 8/29/01, Vintage Macs wrote:
>>>   >This came in handy for me today - had a client with 25 Macintosh
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>>>
>>>you wanna 'splain how you get service manuals from that search engine?
>>
>>just type in what yer lookin fer and hit the return key : )
>
>Doesn't work.  Tried your example.

http://www.info.apple.com/manuals/manuals.taf

It's kind of like the yellow pages. Type in a description and keep 
tweaking it till it works. Nobody could guess the NAME of an Apple 
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Re: manuals

[william ahearn]

>
>The apple service manual search engine that Jags uses because he
>hasn't discovered gamba's yet.
>
Think it's sibling rivalary?

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[the pickle]

At 20:09 -0500 on 29/08/01, JAG wrote:

>At 9:03 PM -0400 8/29/01, Vintage Macs wrote:
>>  >This came in handy for me today - had a client with 25 Macintosh
>>>Performa/Performa Plus Displays. 4 of them were exhibiting flickering
>>
>>you wanna 'splain how you get service manuals from that search engine?
>
>just type in what yer lookin fer and hit the return key : )

Doesn't work.  Tried your example.

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Re: manuals

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>  >
>Am I not paying attention? Which search egine?
>

The apple service manual search engine that Jags uses because he 
hasn't discovered gamba's yet.

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Re: manuals

[william ahearn]

>At 9:03 PM -0400 8/29/01, Vintage Macs wrote:
>>  >This came in handy for me today - had a client with 25 Macintosh
>>>Performa/Performa Plus Displays. 4 of them were exhibiting flickering
>>
>>you wanna 'splain how you get service manuals from that search engine?
>
>just type in what yer lookin fer and hit the return key : )
>
Am I not paying attention? Which search egine?

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[JAG]

At 9:03 PM -0400 8/29/01, Vintage Macs wrote:
>  >This came in handy for me today - had a client with 25 Macintosh
>>Performa/Performa Plus Displays. 4 of them were exhibiting flickering
>
>you wanna 'splain how you get service manuals from that search engine?

just type in what yer lookin fer and hit the return key : )

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Re: service manuals

[the pickle]

At 19:15 -0500 on 29/08/01, JAG wrote:

>This came in handy for me today - had a client with 25 Macintosh
>Performa/Performa Plus Displays. 4 of them were exhibiting flickering

you wanna 'splain how you get service manuals from that search engine?

p
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[JAG]

This came in handy for me today - had a client with 25 Macintosh 
Performa/Performa Plus Displays. 4 of them were exhibiting flickering 
screens. Voila! fixed and a new client to boot. Next week it's 
upgrading 6 7500's to G3's... fun fun fun.
jag

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Re: Free software and manuals

[Dana Collins]

Item #7 still available? (Now Utilities)
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Thank you,
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:01:39 -0700
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> Subject: Free software and manuals
> 
> Listers,
> I'm clearing out a lot of old stuff.
> Click the 'Free Software and Manuals' link on my homepage.
> 
> Gamba
> <http://www.accesscom.com/~gamba>
> 
> 
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Listers,
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