Re: Voice dream reader

[Dana Leet]

 Hello everyone, do you think that it might work to do in iCloud back up to 
yesterday to restore from an iCloud back up reset the phone and do that would 
that possibly bring me back to where I was yesterday because of the fact that I 
do believe that iCloud Drive is on for Voice Dream so just wondered if you guys 
would think that might work to fix this mess or not

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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:46 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Youch that totally sucks, having to redownload a massive library like
> that and having it not even download properly to your phone making you
> have to figure out another way to get them all there.
> 
>> On 9/27/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I feel your pain, because I have had to rebuild my library onto past
>> occasions. I don't have as many books as you, but I had a lot, well over
>> 1000. I haven't updated my phone. You might just leave the app open and give
>> it a rest. With the library that large, it is probably going to take you
>> quite some time to have everything sync up. At least that's my hope. It
>> seems like the cloud thing has been working better since a recent update or
>> two ago. Do you have a newer phone with a faster processor? My old iPad Mini
>> too just cannot cope with cloud sync and a library as large as mine. But my
>> iPhone 7 is doing quite nicely. Don't give up hope yet, until you leave the
>> app open and just let it hang out and see if things sync up.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:20 PM, Dana Leet  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have never been more upset than I am today. I am a book share guru. And
>>> I had a voice dream reader library with about 3000 books in it
>>> approximately 11 gigs. Recently with the iOS 11 update I’ve been noticing
>>> that books will get to 70% downloaded and then stop and if you go to the
>>> book share site on a computer or if you go to the book share site and then
>>> download the books to voice stream from that site I am finding that it
>>> normally works so there is definitely a problem more importantly though,
>>> today we tried cloud sync and let’s just say I believe it is now stuck and
>>> the play options and every other option necessary to read a book are
>>> dimmed on every book in my library. Bus as far as I can tell, I am going
>>> to lose every single book that I have. I’m just letting you all know that
>>> someone needs to create an app that will read book share books that is
>>> light candle that will actually keep the books whenever you get a new
>>> device and login etc. this is ridiculous what I meant to say is Kindle. I
>>> really am upset, because this is over 10 months worth of books that now we
>>> have to re-download and it said that most likely we will have to start
>>> using ST cards and the Victor Stream most likely because it doesn’t seem
>>> this means of reading and holding books in the library utilizing voice
>>> stream is very valid
>>> 
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Re: Voice dream reader

[lenron brown]

Youch that totally sucks, having to redownload a massive library like
that and having it not even download properly to your phone making you
have to figure out another way to get them all there.

On 9/27/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
> I feel your pain, because I have had to rebuild my library onto past
> occasions. I don't have as many books as you, but I had a lot, well over
> 1000. I haven't updated my phone. You might just leave the app open and give
> it a rest. With the library that large, it is probably going to take you
> quite some time to have everything sync up. At least that's my hope. It
> seems like the cloud thing has been working better since a recent update or
> two ago. Do you have a newer phone with a faster processor? My old iPad Mini
> too just cannot cope with cloud sync and a library as large as mine. But my
> iPhone 7 is doing quite nicely. Don't give up hope yet, until you leave the
> app open and just let it hang out and see if things sync up.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:20 PM, Dana Leet  wrote:
>>
>>  I have never been more upset than I am today. I am a book share guru. And
>> I had a voice dream reader library with about 3000 books in it
>> approximately 11 gigs. Recently with the iOS 11 update I’ve been noticing
>> that books will get to 70% downloaded and then stop and if you go to the
>> book share site on a computer or if you go to the book share site and then
>> download the books to voice stream from that site I am finding that it
>> normally works so there is definitely a problem more importantly though,
>> today we tried cloud sync and let’s just say I believe it is now stuck and
>> the play options and every other option necessary to read a book are
>> dimmed on every book in my library. Bus as far as I can tell, I am going
>> to lose every single book that I have. I’m just letting you all know that
>> someone needs to create an app that will read book share books that is
>> light candle that will actually keep the books whenever you get a new
>> device and login etc. this is ridiculous what I meant to say is Kindle. I
>> really am upset, because this is over 10 months worth of books that now we
>> have to re-download and it said that most likely we will have to start
>> using ST cards and the Victor Stream most likely because it doesn’t seem
>> this means of reading and holding books in the library utilizing voice
>> stream is very valid
>>
>>  If you love to read
>> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group:
>> https://chat.whatsapp.com/KXAR5Ao2tqiERKfgrEWiT6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Voice dream reader

[Richard Turner]

Setting the auto lock to never and leaving it plugged in over night might be 
worth a try.
Richard


On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

Well, I admit that I have my screen lock set to never. So I can lock it when I 
want and otherwise, it's not locked. Of course, keeping it unlocked will run 
your battery down. But I'm not sure that just having it in the app switcher is 
good enough to get the job done. Maybe. Otherwise, all I can say is, start with 
a full charge, leave it open and go away for a couple of hours and see what 
happens. With the library that big, it's going to take time. Maybe just having 
it in the app switcher will be good enough. I hope you have a phone with a 
modern processor, like a seven or even better, and eight, or at least a 6S. I 
know for sure that my mini too just can't do it.
Mary


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On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:44 PM, Dana Leet 
> wrote:

 Honestly, the one thing that I wanted to mention though and I really 
appreciate your response Mary and the fact that you are empathetic for sure. 
The problem is if you keep Voice Dream open and you are not constantly doing 
something with the program meaning reading or something the screen will lock so 
I have it in the app switcher but if I just keep it open it is not going to 
stay active I don’t believe

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iOS 11 Maps VoiceOver Reading-Turn-Instruction Bug

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Below my signature, you will see a bug report I recently submitted to Apple.


Please join me in requesting that this bug be resolved in a future release
of iOS 11.  

Please feel free to use any or all of the following text in your feedback
submissions.

If you are a developer, please use the Apple Bug Reporter.

If you are not a developer, without going into details as to why, I
strongly, strongly recommend that you submit your feedback directly to apple
at:
https://www.apple.com/feedback/

or, if you prefer, make your submission to the accessability team via email.


Regardless of which of the above methods you choose, I also encourage you to
send feedback, via the feedback utility, located inside the iOS Maps app,
itself.  To do this:

1.
Open the iOS Maps app.

2.
Select Settings.

3.
Select Report an Issue.  If this is your first time doing so, you will have
to agree to the terms of the feedback utility.

4.
Select Other Issue, General App Feedback.

5.
Enter up to 1000 characters of a description.

6.
Select the Send button, located near the upper right corner of the display.


That's all there is to it.

Okay, as always, thank you for your support.

Mark

[BEGIN BUG REPORT]
TITLE:
iOS 11 Maps VoiceOver Reading-Turn-Instruction Bug 

DESCRIPTION:
Unlike in iOS 10, in iOS 11, VoiceOver does not read the turn-direction
information, located at the top of the display, in a live route.

Steps to Reproduce:

1.
Make certain that VoiceOver is enabled.

2.
Launch the Maps apps.

3.
Set a destination and select the Go button to begin the route.

Siri will announce a direction instruction; for example, "In one mile, turn
left onto Main Street."  As one travels, the dynamic distance value to Main
Street is displayed near the top of the screen, complete with an image
reflecting the upcoming turn instruction.  

However, when a VoiceOver user places focus on this area in order to hear
the turn instruction along with the diminishing distance value and the
street name, unlike in previous versions of iOS where a VoiceOver user
could, via single-finger swipe gesture, place focus on any of these three
elements, VoiceOver can now access the distance value and street name, only.

In order for a VoiceOver user to hear the turn instruction, on demand,
she/he must single-finger, double-tap the upper left corner of the display
after which he/she must single-finger, double-tap this area again, in order
to return to normal VoiceOver screen navigation functionality.  

In short, in iOS 11, a VoiceOver user is now required to use two additional
gestures in order to obtain on-demand travel instructions in a live Route.
Please keep in mind that many blind and low vision travelers use a cane,
guide dog, or some kind of navigation-assistance tool, requiring the use of
one hand at all times, making the cost of these two additional gestures
extremely high.

I fervently request that VoiceOver Maps app functionality be restored to
that of iOS 10 so that the upcoming turn-instruction, distance, and upcoming
street name can be read from the same display screen.

Thank you.
[END BUG REPORT]

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Re: Voice dream reader

[Mary Otten]

Well, I admit that I have my screen lock set to never. So I can lock it when I 
want and otherwise, it's not locked. Of course, keeping it unlocked will run 
your battery down. But I'm not sure that just having it in the app switcher is 
good enough to get the job done. Maybe. Otherwise, all I can say is, start with 
a full charge, leave it open and go away for a couple of hours and see what 
happens. With the library that big, it's going to take time. Maybe just having 
it in the app switcher will be good enough. I hope you have a phone with a 
modern processor, like a seven or even better, and eight, or at least a 6S. I 
know for sure that my mini too just can't do it.
Mary


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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:44 PM, Dana Leet  wrote:
> 
>  Honestly, the one thing that I wanted to mention though and I really 
> appreciate your response Mary and the fact that you are empathetic for sure. 
> The problem is if you keep Voice Dream open and you are not constantly doing 
> something with the program meaning reading or something the screen will lock 
> so I have it in the app switcher but if I just keep it open it is not going 
> to stay active I don’t believe
> 
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Re: Setting up keyboard short cuts on my iPHONE 8

[Paul Sandoval]

The option that you are looking for is text replacement. It’s near the top of 
the keyboard options.

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720-620-8007
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On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Candy Lowe 
> wrote:

Hello everyone,
I just got an IPhone 8 today.  I have it set up, but, it appears that there is 
no way to set up keyboard short cuts like I had on my 6.  They still show the 
short cut with double space for a period, but, no place to create new ones.

Candy

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Voice dream reader

[Dana Leet]

 Honestly, the one thing that I wanted to mention though and I really 
appreciate your response Mary and the fact that you are empathetic for sure. 
The problem is if you keep Voice Dream open and you are not constantly doing 
something with the program meaning reading or something the screen will lock so 
I have it in the app switcher but if I just keep it open it is not going to 
stay active I don’t believe

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deleting apps in IOS 11

[Casey]

Hi I know how to drag and drop in IOS 11 with the apps.

But how do you delete apps or totally remove apps in IOS 11?

 

 

 

 

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Re: Voice dream reader

[Mary Otten]

I feel your pain, because I have had to rebuild my library onto past occasions. 
I don't have as many books as you, but I had a lot, well over 1000. I haven't 
updated my phone. You might just leave the app open and give it a rest. With 
the library that large, it is probably going to take you quite some time to 
have everything sync up. At least that's my hope. It seems like the cloud thing 
has been working better since a recent update or two ago. Do you have a newer 
phone with a faster processor? My old iPad Mini too just cannot cope with cloud 
sync and a library as large as mine. But my iPhone 7 is doing quite nicely. 
Don't give up hope yet, until you leave the app open and just let it hang out 
and see if things sync up.
Mary


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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:20 PM, Dana Leet  wrote:
> 
>  I have never been more upset than I am today. I am a book share guru. And I 
> had a voice dream reader library with about 3000 books in it approximately 11 
> gigs. Recently with the iOS 11 update I’ve been noticing that books will get 
> to 70% downloaded and then stop and if you go to the book share site on a 
> computer or if you go to the book share site and then download the books to 
> voice stream from that site I am finding that it normally works so there is 
> definitely a problem more importantly though, today we tried cloud sync and 
> let’s just say I believe it is now stuck and the play options and every other 
> option necessary to read a book are dimmed on every book in my library. Bus 
> as far as I can tell, I am going to lose every single book that I have. I’m 
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> whenever you get a new device and login etc. this is ridiculous what I meant 
> to say is Kindle. I really am upset, because this is over 10 months worth of 
> books that now we have to re-download and it said that most likely we will 
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Hi,
I have a couple videos that I want to share with family that I've taken on my 
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really want to share them publicly on Facebook.  So, what is my best option for 
sharing them with non-iphone users?  Should I create a public folder in Dropbox 
and can I then share the video to there?  Is so, do I create that public view 
folder within the Dropbox app or via  the dropbox website?  Any other better 
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Voice dream reader

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 I have never been more upset than I am today. I am a book share guru. And I 
had a voice dream reader library with about 3000 books in it approximately 11 
gigs. Recently with the iOS 11 update I’ve been noticing that books will get to 
70% downloaded and then stop and if you go to the book share site on a computer 
or if you go to the book share site and then download the books to voice stream 
from that site I am finding that it normally works so there is definitely a 
problem more importantly though, today we tried cloud sync and let’s just say I 
believe it is now stuck and the play options and every other option necessary 
to read a book are dimmed on every book in my library. Bus as far as I can 
tell, I am going to lose every single book that I have. I’m just letting you 
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The apps for bose hearphones

[TaraPrakash]

Dear all.
I just started using a new bose hearphone noise cancellation headphones set. 
The sound is amazing. I am able to use it without installing any app even 
though the iphoen suggested couple of apps for this accessory as soon as i 
connected.
Do I need the app for anything? I thought app will provide me option to connect 
to tune in directly  or some music options from the hearphone itself. But 
doesn't look like.
Secondly, I tried it with the cord to use it without bluetooth. Sadly, it is a 
proprietory cable one side of the connection is 3.5 mm. But the other side that 
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cable as the sound that is coming from iphone using that cable is 
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Re: 64 bit radium not working after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

Hi Anna,
My friend says he can't get to settings at all. I can get to settings on my 
iPad mini, because it's under "more options. My phone has not yet been 
upgraded, so I can't comment there. For those of you who have upgraded your 
phone or iPod touches and use Radium, can you get to settings? If so, how? He 
says he can't.
Mary


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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
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> Hi Mary,
> 
> Radium is working fine here with iOS 11. I would suggest that your friend try 
> touching various parts of the screen, rather than just flicking. I can flick 
> to the More Options and Find More Stations buttons, but with some apps, you 
> can touch things that you can't flick to.
> 
> HTH,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all. This is the verbatim text of an email I got from a friend of mine 
>> who is very upset that he has lost the usability of Radium after upgrade. As 
>> you'll see in the text, radium was working fine for him, that is the 64-bit 
>> new version, until he upgraded. Now, he's out of luck. Does anybody have any 
>> advice here? Here is the text.
>> 
>> I’ve installed IOS 11.01 on my iPad Mini and my I-phone 6@-plus and Radium 
>> does not work correctly on either device. The 64-bit version of Radium 
>> worked great on my Iphone running IOS 10.3. I updated my iOS and brought up 
>> Radium. Now when I try to flick right to get to my stations I can’t get past 
>> my first selected station, playback toggle, share song or station and look 
>> for additional stations. No matter how often I flick right I can’t get 
>> Radium to move off the initial station and those other choices.
>> Sometimes it goes to another station, but randomly.
>> I uninstalled radium, but all the app store will let me do when I search for 
>> Radium is to re-download the app. When I do that and open it has my same 
>> stations and I get the same problem. I’ve uninstalled and re-downloaded 
>> twice with no luck.
>> The same exact thing happens on my iPad mini. No matter how often I flick 
>> right I can’t get past my initially selected station. 
>> Any help would be most appreciated.
>> I’m really regretting having upgraded.  How do I roll back?
>> Thanks. 
>> 
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Re: 64 bit radium not working after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

Hi richard,
Your findings are the same as mine. If you flick, you can't get past the first 
station, you just going to loop. But you can explore down the screen. Not 
perfect, but it works. And maybe the good folks there who developed the app 
will figure out why the flicking doesn't work and fix it. If we all write and 
let them know that this is an issue, hopefully they will do something.
Mary


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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Richard Turner  
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> 
> Your friend is right.
> It goes in a loop when you flick right after the more options button it just 
> goes back to the station that is selected.
> If you slide your finger down the screen, you will find the other stations.
> Not a good sign.
> Richard
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all. This is the verbatim text of an email I got from a friend of mine 
>> who is very upset that he has lost the usability of Radium after upgrade. As 
>> you'll see in the text, radium was working fine for him, that is the 64-bit 
>> new version, until he upgraded. Now, he's out of luck. Does anybody have any 
>> advice here? Here is the text.
>> 
>> I’ve installed IOS 11.01 on my iPad Mini and my Iphone 6@-plus and Radium 
>> does not work correctly on either device. The 64-bit version of Radium 
>> worked great on my Iphone running IOS 10.3. I updated my iOS and brought up 
>> Radium. Now when I try to flick right to get to my stations I can’t get past 
>> my first selected station, playback toggle, share song or station and look 
>> for additional stations. No matter how often I flick right I can’t get 
>> Radium to move off the initial station and those other choices.
>> Sometimes it goes to another station, but randomly.
>> I uninstalled radium, but all the app store will let me do when I search for 
>> Radium is to re-download the app. When I do that and open it has my same 
>> stations and I get the same problem. I’ve uninstalled and re-downloaded 
>> twice with no luck.
>> The same exact thing happens on my iPad mini. No matter how often I flick 
>> right I can’t get past my initially selected station. 
>> Any help would be most appreciated.
>> I’m really regretting having upgraded.  How do I roll back?
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> 
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Hi,
I had the opportunity to try a pair of knit gloves today that have the pads on 
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heading into winter.  While I was successfully able to navigate around the 
screen for typing, I realized that this particular glove only had the special 
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Re: 64 bit radium not working after upgrade

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Mary,

Radium is working fine here with iOS 11. I would suggest that your friend try 
touching various parts of the screen, rather than just flicking. I can flick to 
the More Options and Find More Stations buttons, but with some apps, you can 
touch things that you can't flick to.

HTH,
Anna




> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hello all. This is the verbatim text of an email I got from a friend of mine 
> who is very upset that he has lost the usability of Radium after upgrade. As 
> you'll see in the text, radium was working fine for him, that is the 64-bit 
> new version, until he upgraded. Now, he's out of luck. Does anybody have any 
> advice here? Here is the text.
> 
> I’ve installed IOS 11.01 on my iPad Mini and my I-phone 6@-plus and Radium 
> does not work correctly on either device. The 64-bit version of Radium worked 
> great on my Iphone running IOS 10.3. I updated my iOS and brought up Radium. 
> Now when I try to flick right to get to my stations I can’t get past my first 
> selected station, playback toggle, share song or station and look for 
> additional stations. No matter how often I flick right I can’t get Radium to 
> move off the initial station and those other choices.
> Sometimes it goes to another station, but randomly.
> I uninstalled radium, but all the app store will let me do when I search for 
> Radium is to re-download the app. When I do that and open it has my same 
> stations and I get the same problem. I’ve uninstalled and re-downloaded twice 
> with no luck.
> The same exact thing happens on my iPad mini. No matter how often I flick 
> right I can’t get past my initially selected station. 
> Any help would be most appreciated.
> I’m really regretting having upgraded.  How do I roll back?
> Thanks. 
> 
> 
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Re: 64 bit radium not working after upgrade

[Richard Turner]

Your friend is right.
It goes in a loop when you flick right after the more options button it just 
goes back to the station that is selected.
If you slide your finger down the screen, you will find the other stations.
Not a good sign.
Richard


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> wrote:

Hello all. This is the verbatim text of an email I got from a friend of mine 
who is very upset that he has lost the usability of Radium after upgrade. As 
you'll see in the text, radium was working fine for him, that is the 64-bit new 
version, until he upgraded. Now, he's out of luck. Does anybody have any advice 
here? Here is the text.

I’ve installed IOS 11.01 on my iPad Mini and my Iphone 6@-plus and Radium does 
not work correctly on either device. The 64-bit version of Radium worked great 
on my Iphone running IOS 10.3. I updated my iOS and brought up Radium. Now when 
I try to flick right to get to my stations I can’t get past my first selected 
station, playback toggle, share song or station and look for additional 
stations. No matter how often I flick right I can’t get Radium to move off the 
initial station and those other choices.
Sometimes it goes to another station, but randomly.
I uninstalled radium, but all the app store will let me do when I search for 
Radium is to re-download the app. When I do that and open it has my same 
stations and I get the same problem. I’ve uninstalled and re-downloaded twice 
with no luck.
The same exact thing happens on my iPad mini. No matter how often I flick right 
I can’t get past my initially selected station.
Any help would be most appreciated.
I’m really regretting having upgraded.  How do I roll back?
Thanks.



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Re: iOS 11, voiceover, iPad and Bluetooth keyboard

[Mary Otten]

Yes, I have and have read his book. But as you know, the book was totally 
silent about all of the issues with the new braille. So I thought it would be 
worth it to ask about experiences here on the list from people who have used 
the publicly available release version.
Mary


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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
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> "IOS 11 Without the Eye" by jonathan Mosen.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
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> functionality that iOS 11 brings with multiple applications open, dragging 
> and dropping at Cetera. I know it is early days, but I'm just wondering if 
> there is usable efficient functionality here, especially if you're going to 
> use a Bluetooth keyboard with an iPad.
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64 bit radium not working after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

Hello all. This is the verbatim text of an email I got from a friend of mine 
who is very upset that he has lost the usability of Radium after upgrade. As 
you'll see in the text, radium was working fine for him, that is the 64-bit new 
version, until he upgraded. Now, he's out of luck. Does anybody have any advice 
here? Here is the text.

I’ve installed IOS 11.01 on my iPad Mini and my Iphone 6@-plus and Radium does 
not work correctly on either device. The 64-bit version of Radium worked great 
on my Iphone running IOS 10.3. I updated my iOS and brought up Radium. Now when 
I try to flick right to get to my stations I can’t get past my first selected 
station, playback toggle, share song or station and look for additional 
stations. No matter how often I flick right I can’t get Radium to move off the 
initial station and those other choices.
Sometimes it goes to another station, but randomly.
I uninstalled radium, but all the app store will let me do when I search for 
Radium is to re-download the app. When I do that and open it has my same 
stations and I get the same problem. I’ve uninstalled and re-downloaded twice 
with no luck.
The same exact thing happens on my iPad mini. No matter how often I flick right 
I can’t get past my initially selected station. 
Any help would be most appreciated.
I’m really regretting having upgraded.  How do I roll back?
Thanks. 



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Re: iOS 11, voiceover, iPad and Bluetooth keyboard

[Andy Baracco]

"IOS 11 Without the Eye" by jonathan Mosen.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: ; ; 


Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:20 PM
Subject: iOS 11, voiceover, iPad and Bluetooth keyboard


I'm sending this message out to a few lists, because I am interested to know 
about folks experiences with iOS 11 and iPads. I'm interested in the new 
functionality that iOS 11 brings with multiple applications open, dragging 
and dropping at Cetera. I know it is early days, but I'm just wondering if 
there is usable efficient functionality here, especially if you're going to 
use a Bluetooth keyboard with an iPad.



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iOS 11, voiceover, iPad and Bluetooth keyboard

[Mary Otten]

I'm sending this message out to a few lists, because I am interested to know 
about folks experiences with iOS 11 and iPads. I'm interested in the new 
functionality that iOS 11 brings with multiple applications open, dragging and 
dropping at Cetera. I know it is early days, but I'm just wondering if there is 
usable efficient functionality here, especially if you're going to use a 
Bluetooth keyboard with an iPad.


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Setting up keyboard short cuts on my iPHONE 8

[Candy Lowe]

Hello everyone,
I just got an IPhone 8 today.  I have it set up, but, it appears that there is 
no way to set up keyboard short cuts like I had on my 6.  They still show the 
short cut with double space for a period, but, no place to create new ones.  

Candy

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard and iPhone or iPad

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, richard. I am going to get one of these and see how it goes. And now 
I'm going to start a new thread because I am interested in the additional 
functionality with iOS 11 and how that works with voiceover on iPads using a 
keyboard.
Mary


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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Richard Turner  
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> I use the Logitech K480 a lot. I love it!
> The trick is once it is paired. lock the phone, then turn the keyboard off.
> When you want to use it again, unlock the phone, then turn on the keyboard.
> Since I've followed that pattern, I have not had the double letter typing.
> Hth,
> Richard
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> I know there have been issues in the past with funky Bluetooth keyboard 
>> connectivity with I-devices. I wonder if that situation has become more 
>> stable, and has anyone on any of these lists use the logitech K4 80 keyboard 
>> with their i-device? It is appealing because you can use it with three 
>> devices at the same time, such as a Mac or a Kindle or a PC etc.
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard and iPhone or iPad

[Richard Turner]

I use the Logitech K480 a lot. I love it!
The trick is once it is paired. lock the phone, then turn the keyboard off.
When you want to use it again, unlock the phone, then turn on the keyboard.
Since I've followed that pattern, I have not had the double letter typing.
Hth,
Richard


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> wrote:

I know there have been issues in the past with funky Bluetooth keyboard 
connectivity with I-devices. I wonder if that situation has become more stable, 
and has anyone on any of these lists use the logitech K4 80 keyboard with their 
i-device? It is appealing because you can use it with three devices at the same 
time, such as a Mac or a Kindle or a PC etc.

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RE: Question about face ID

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would recommend that once the phone is in stores and if you have an Apple 
Store nearby that you check it out and see if they would let you try and set it 
up.
You may say that this is not for you, but I think Apple is pretty set on 
pushing Face Id as the next tech for unlocking devices, I'd be surprised if 
this didn't also come to Mac computers sooner or later and of course to iPads. 
This means that we may still have phones with Touch Id for another couple of 
years, but after that you may just not have a choice.
Realistically that of course means you might be OK for the next 5 or 6 years if 
you get one of the last Touch Id phones in say 2 years and keep it for 3 years, 
but I do think eventually this will go away.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Michael Irons
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about face ID

Thank you for answering my question. I did not see that earlier!. I have been 
totally blind from birth, and, have trouble looking directly at people. iPhone 
axing is probably not a good one for me to have. I use the thumb print and ID 
code for the security.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 6:12 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hello Michael,
> 
> This has been discussed and explained, but there has been more traffic lately 
> so you maybe didn't see it.
> Face Id will be perfectly accessible for the blind according to Apple. It 
> appears Apple has thought about this and specifically come up with a 
> solution. 
> Normally Face Id requires the user's "attention" which means they have to 
> look at the phone, Face Id would for example not work if somebody pointed the 
> phone at your face while asleep, unconscious or if you are looking the other 
> way.
> This "attention" setting can, however, be disabled in Accessibility Settings. 
> If you set up Face Id with Voiceover it is in fact disabled by default so 
> that if you point the phone at your face but you don't look directly at the 
> phone or maybe your eyes are closed Face Id would still work.
> Apple does explain that this of course makes Face Id a bit less secure since 
> somebody could in fact unlock your phone if they have your phone and if you 
> were asleep or if they knocked you out. Of course if they knocked you out 
> they could also put your finger on the Touch Id and I'm pretty sure most 
> people use either their thumb or index finger for this so there is a pretty 
> good chance this would work just fine.
> If you are visually impaired or a blind person who doesn't often keep their 
> eyes closed and can focus then I also don't think having "attention" enabled 
> will be a big problem. I am not buying an iPhone X, but I will be in Calgary 
> when they are released and I do plan to stop by an Apple Store to check it 
> out and hopefully it will be possible for me to set up Face Id and test it. I 
> have prosthetic eyes, but most people would ever know unless they observe 
> closely and I am quite good at looking at people when they talk to me so I 
> have a feeling Face Id would work just fine with attention enabled, I 
> definitely don't think I have problems focussing on my iPhone's screen from a 
> foot away.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Question about face ID
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone sorry about blank message. I everybody, how would 
> somebody who is telling line use face ID question it sounds like that face 
> that he may not even be excessive go to somebody who is totally blind. Again, 
> sorry about white message I sent earlier
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RE: How would somebody who is totally blind use face ID. It sounds like it might be something that might not be accessible for somebody who is visually impaired or totally blind.

[Mr. Ed]

Hi,
I don't know why it would be so hard for a blind person to look at their iPhone 
to unlock it. Not sure why this would be an issue.
Mr. Ed

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Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 5:47 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: How would somebody who is totally blind use face ID. It sounds 
like it might be something that might not be accessible for somebody who is 
visually impaired or totally blind.

Hello,

Apparently it's possible to turn off the feature that requires someone to be 
looking directly at the phone to unlock it, and this feature is turned off by 
default if you have VoiceOver on while setting up your phone.

Best,
Anna



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Re: Question about face ID

[Michael Irons]

Thank you for answering my question. I did not see that earlier!. I have been 
totally blind from birth, and, have trouble looking directly at people. iPhone 
axing is probably not a good one for me to have. I use the thumb print and ID 
code for the security.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 6:12 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hello Michael,
> 
> This has been discussed and explained, but there has been more traffic lately 
> so you maybe didn't see it.
> Face Id will be perfectly accessible for the blind according to Apple. It 
> appears Apple has thought about this and specifically come up with a 
> solution. 
> Normally Face Id requires the user's "attention" which means they have to 
> look at the phone, Face Id would for example not work if somebody pointed the 
> phone at your face while asleep, unconscious or if you are looking the other 
> way.
> This "attention" setting can, however, be disabled in Accessibility Settings. 
> If you set up Face Id with Voiceover it is in fact disabled by default so 
> that if you point the phone at your face but you don't look directly at the 
> phone or maybe your eyes are closed Face Id would still work.
> Apple does explain that this of course makes Face Id a bit less secure since 
> somebody could in fact unlock your phone if they have your phone and if you 
> were asleep or if they knocked you out. Of course if they knocked you out 
> they could also put your finger on the Touch Id and I'm pretty sure most 
> people use either their thumb or index finger for this so there is a pretty 
> good chance this would work just fine.
> If you are visually impaired or a blind person who doesn't often keep their 
> eyes closed and can focus then I also don't think having "attention" enabled 
> will be a big problem. I am not buying an iPhone X, but I will be in Calgary 
> when they are released and I do plan to stop by an Apple Store to check it 
> out and hopefully it will be possible for me to set up Face Id and test it. I 
> have prosthetic eyes, but most people would ever know unless they observe 
> closely and I am quite good at looking at people when they talk to me so I 
> have a feeling Face Id would work just fine with attention enabled, I 
> definitely don't think I have problems focussing on my iPhone's screen from a 
> foot away.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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> Subject: Question about face ID
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone sorry about blank message. I everybody, how would 
> somebody who is telling line use face ID question it sounds like that face 
> that he may not even be excessive go to somebody who is totally blind. Again, 
> sorry about white message I sent earlier
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RE: Question about face ID

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Michael,

This has been discussed and explained, but there has been more traffic lately 
so you maybe didn't see it.
Face Id will be perfectly accessible for the blind according to Apple. It 
appears Apple has thought about this and specifically come up with a solution. 
Normally Face Id requires the user's "attention" which means they have to look 
at the phone, Face Id would for example not work if somebody pointed the phone 
at your face while asleep, unconscious or if you are looking the other way.
This "attention" setting can, however, be disabled in Accessibility Settings. 
If you set up Face Id with Voiceover it is in fact disabled by default so that 
if you point the phone at your face but you don't look directly at the phone or 
maybe your eyes are closed Face Id would still work.
Apple does explain that this of course makes Face Id a bit less secure since 
somebody could in fact unlock your phone if they have your phone and if you 
were asleep or if they knocked you out. Of course if they knocked you out they 
could also put your finger on the Touch Id and I'm pretty sure most people use 
either their thumb or index finger for this so there is a pretty good chance 
this would work just fine.
If you are visually impaired or a blind person who doesn't often keep their 
eyes closed and can focus then I also don't think having "attention" enabled 
will be a big problem. I am not buying an iPhone X, but I will be in Calgary 
when they are released and I do plan to stop by an Apple Store to check it out 
and hopefully it will be possible for me to set up Face Id and test it. I have 
prosthetic eyes, but most people would ever know unless they observe closely 
and I am quite good at looking at people when they talk to me so I have a 
feeling Face Id would work just fine with attention enabled, I definitely don't 
think I have problems focussing on my iPhone's screen from a foot away.



Regards,
Sieghard
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Michael Irons
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about face ID



Sent from my iPhone sorry about blank message. I everybody, how would somebody 
who is telling line use face ID question it sounds like that face that he may 
not even be excessive go to somebody who is totally blind. Again, sorry about 
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Question about face ID

[Michael Irons]

Sent from my iPhone sorry about blank message. I everybody, how would somebody 
who is telling line use face ID question it sounds like that face that he may 
not even be excessive go to somebody who is totally blind. Again, sorry about 
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RE: appStore, IOS 11, and reviewing an app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I really like the new app store, just would like the app version and size to be 
announced again by Voiceover. I did write Apple Accessibility about that and 
got the typical answer that they will pass it on.
As for reviews, I just went into Updates and tapped on Skype which had an 
update a few days ago.
Towards the bottom (easier if you start from the bottom, touch the Today tab 
and then swipe left a few times) there is a "Write a Review" button. It is 
clearly labelled and when I tapped it I was presented with a screen where I 
could select how many stars I was going to give (it's one of those controls 
like in some apps for date where you simply swipe up and I tgoes to 1 Star, 2 
Stars, 3 Stars etc.
Then there was an edit field for "Title" where you can give your review a brief 
caption, then there is another edit field for writing your review.
Both fields presented no problems, a double tap put editing focus there, I then 
did a 2-finger double tap and dictated both a title and a review and at the top 
right is the "Send" button.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: appStore, IOS 11, and reviewing an app

Hi there,

I found a place after the review statistics of an app where it says “tap to 
rate”. Here you can get chance to adjust star level etc.

Have not tried to actually review. 

HTH,

Ioana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried to write a review of an app on the AppStore which 
> comes with IOS 11?
> 
> 
> 
> I tried just now and simply could not find the option to do so.  How 
> disappointing, but looks like Apple has reorganized the AppStore in 
> some way where accessibility took a back seat.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for any how to tips on being able to do this.
> 
> 
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
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Re: How would somebody who is totally blind use face ID. It sounds like it might be something that might not be accessible for somebody who is visually impaired or totally blind.

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello,

Apparently it's possible to turn off the feature that requires someone to be 
looking directly at the phone to unlock it, and this feature is turned off by 
default if you have VoiceOver on while setting up your phone.

Best,
Anna



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Re: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Keith,

Yes, the model without LTE starts at $329, if I remember correctly.

Best,
Anna




> On Sep 27, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
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> Thanks for this. Is the GPS model the least expensive? I don’t want the LTE, 
> I know that for sure. Keith
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
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>  
> Hi. I upgraded from an original series watch to a series 3. My original watch 
> seemed to get slower and clunkier with each OS upgrade. When I put OS 4 on 
> it, it was really unbearable at least in my opinion.
>  
> My new series 3 GPS model now is like night and day. Everything is nice and 
> snappy and very responsive. My original watch was so sluggish with OS 4 that 
> I actually stopped using it until I received my series 3.
>  
> If you can swing it, go for it because the difference is huge. I think that 
> if I had had a series 2, I probably would not have upgraded but the original 
> is now sorely underpowered.
>  
>  
>  
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> Hi,
>  
> I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven’t yet decided whether to 
> upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a First 
> generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I’d appreciate learning of your 
> experience with this combo.
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How would somebody who is totally blind use face ID. It sounds like it might be something that might not be accessible for somebody who is visually impaired or totally blind.

[Michael Irons]

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RE: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Thanks for this. Is the GPS model the least expensive? I don’t want the LTE, I 
know that for sure. Keith

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

Hi. I upgraded from an original series watch to a series 3. My original watch 
seemed to get slower and clunkier with each OS upgrade. When I put OS 4 on it, 
it was really unbearable at least in my opinion.

My new series 3 GPS model now is like night and day. Everything is nice and 
snappy and very responsive. My original watch was so sluggish with OS 4 that I 
actually stopped using it until I received my series 3.

If you can swing it, go for it because the difference is huge. I think that if 
I had had a series 2, I probably would not have upgraded but the original is 
now sorely underpowered.



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Hi,

I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven’t yet decided whether to 
upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a First 
generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I’d appreciate learning of your 
experience with this combo.

Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: Dating options discussed again

[Devin Prater]

Yeah, I just use the websites rather than apps of things like that.

Devin Prater
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Lenron I would love to beta test if you do do that.

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brown 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:33:50 PM
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Subject: Re: Dating options discussed again

Most dating apps seem not very accessible, due to swiping issues and
unlabeled buttons. Part of me wish I could design something that would
work well and everyone could enjoy. Something with text and voice
chatting. Maybe group style chat rooms for those that wanted them.
Scout and Partyline are some what accessible but they have issues that
can some what be annoying.

On 9/26/17, Bryan Schulz  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have you searched for firefox version 35 and downloaded it?
> Webvisum will work with that version.
> Install it in a directory you type and not the default so it won't get
> updated.
> Versions after 35 will not run the webvisum plugin and won't bust the
> captia.
> Make a shortcut on your desktop for this version and only use it when you
> have to get past a difficult form and use the most current version the rest
> of the time.
> Bryan
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Dating options discussed again
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> A while back I asked about dating Apps and such.
>
> Someone was nice and replied, saying that Match and POF were useable, if
> you had some slight vision.
>
> I apologize, because I just can't remember who this was?
>
>
> Anyway, Match says you can sign up free, and so I thought you could use
> it free. But just be limited as to what you could do?
>
>
> As for POF, I tried signing up online, and I ran in to a capcha issue.
> Of course!
>
> Maybe I'll just live with my cats! LOL!
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Terri
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Apple posts new security documents about Face ID

[Maria Reyes]

Apple has taken steps to educate potential owners of the iPhone X about Face ID 
ahead of its release on Nov. 3, releasing a white paper alongside a support 
document that explains how the biometric authentication technology works to 
keep the user's data secure.


Found within Apple's revamped privacy pages, the Face ID Security white paper 
gives an overview of how Face ID operates, as well as how users can expect to 
use the authentication system. Introduced as a replacement for Touch ID in the 
iPhone X, the six-page document is an attempt to convince wary potential users 
that Face ID is at least as secure as the well-known Touch ID, and that they 
have little to fear from the security change.

Along with the white paper, Apple has updated its support pages to include a 
briefer explanation of the technology and its security.

The overview of FaceID explains simply that the TrueDepth camera system 
accurately maps the geometry of the user's face using "advanced technologies," 
which consists of an infrared camera, a 7-megapixel camera sensor, a flood 
illuminator, and a dot projector. Confirming the attention of the user by 
detecting the direction of their gaze, Face ID then uses neural networks to 
match and prevent spoofing attempts to unlock the phone, with the system 
automatically adapting to changes in the user's appearance over time.

A passcode must be set up on the iPhone X before the user can set up Face ID, 
with Apple advising the passcode can be made longer and more complex as it will 
not need to be entered frequently. The passcode will still be requested from 
users in a number of circumstances, including when the iPhone X has just been 
turned on or restarted, hasn't been unlocked for more than 48 hours, the device 
has been remotely locked, after five failed Face ID unlock attempts, and after 
initiating an Emergency SOS mode.

Users will also be required to use the passcode if it hasn't been used to 
unlock the iPhone X in the last 156 hours and if Face ID has not been used 
successfully in the last four hours. When Face ID is enabled, the device will 
immediately lock when the side button is pressed or when the device goes to 
sleep, with either the facial match or passcode required to wake the iPhone X 
each time.

As raised during the September unveiling, it is claimed Face ID has a one in a 
million chance of being unlocked by a random person looking at the iPhone X, 
compared to a 1 in 50 thousand false positive chance for Touch ID. The chance 
of a false match does increase for twins and siblings who bear a similar 
appearance to one another, as well as for children under the age of 13, which 
Apple claims is due to the possibility that distinct facial features may not 
have fully developed, with Apple suggesting to keep using the passcode to 
authenticate in these cases.


Going into more detail about how the system works, the document explains over 
30,000 infrared dots are projected onto the user's face and are read by the 
TrueDepth camera, with a depth map and 2D infrared image combined to create a 
sequence of images and depth maps that are digitally signed and stored in the 
Secure Enclave. For extra security, this sequence is randomized, with the 
infrared dot pattern also given a device-specific randomization.

A section of the A11 Bionic chip's neural engine, protected within the Secure 
Enclave, turns this data into a mathematical representation, which is then 
compared to the enrolled facial data, itself a mathematical representation of 
the user's face captured during enrollment. An additional neural network, 
trained to detect spoofing attempts, is also used in the facial data analysis.

There are three types of Face ID data that are encrypted and stored in the 
Secure Enclave, data which Apple insists does not leave the device, is not sent 
to Apple, and is not included in device backups. The infrared images and 
mathematical representations created during enrollment are stored alongside any 
other mathematical representations calculated during some unlock attempts, if 
Face ID deems them useful to improve future matching attempts.

This extra stored data is useful to the iPhone X as it provides more reference 
points for Face ID to authenticate the user, allowing it also to take into 
account both temporary and longer-term changes in their appearance.

As the neural networks may update over the device's ownership, the iPhone X 
will be able to automatically run any stored images within the Secure Enclave 
through the updated neural network. To minimize the amount of background 
information, the enrollment images are cropped to just the user's face. Face 
images captured during unlocking are not saved, and are immediately discarded 
once the mathematical representation has been calculated.


As for daily use outside of unlocking the iPhone X, Apple includes sections 
explaining how Face ID works with Apple Pay and with third-party apps.

For Apple Pay purchases 

PDF improvements in iOS 11?

[Mary Otten]

There were supposed to be improvements for both Mac and iOS devices with the 
latest upgrades of the operating systems. This has to do with voiceover reading 
PDF files which has been pretty miserable frankly. I believe I saw a note on 
Apple Vis saying that there weren't improvements in iOS 11. Have any of you 
noticed improvements?

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Bluetooth keyboard and iPhone or iPad

[Mary Otten]

I know there have been issues in the past with funky Bluetooth keyboard 
connectivity with I-devices. I wonder if that situation has become more stable, 
and has anyone on any of these lists use the logitech K4 80 keyboard with their 
i-device? It is appealing because you can use it with three devices at the same 
time, such as a Mac or a Kindle or a PC etc.

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Re: Dating options discussed again

[Maria Reyes]

Lenron I would love to beta test if you do do that.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of lenron 
brown 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:33:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dating options discussed again

Most dating apps seem not very accessible, due to swiping issues and
unlabeled buttons. Part of me wish I could design something that would
work well and everyone could enjoy. Something with text and voice
chatting. Maybe group style chat rooms for those that wanted them.
Scout and Partyline are some what accessible but they have issues that
can some what be annoying.

On 9/26/17, Bryan Schulz  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have you searched for firefox version 35 and downloaded it?
> Webvisum will work with that version.
> Install it in a directory you type and not the default so it won't get
> updated.
> Versions after 35 will not run the webvisum plugin and won't bust the
> captia.
> Make a shortcut on your desktop for this version and only use it when you
> have to get past a difficult form and use the most current version the rest
> of the time.
> Bryan
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Dating options discussed again
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> A while back I asked about dating Apps and such.
>
> Someone was nice and replied, saying that Match and POF were useable, if
> you had some slight vision.
>
> I apologize, because I just can't remember who this was?
>
>
> Anyway, Match says you can sign up free, and so I thought you could use
> it free. But just be limited as to what you could do?
>
>
> As for POF, I tried signing up online, and I ran in to a capcha issue.
> Of course!
>
> Maybe I'll just live with my cats! LOL!
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Terri
>
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RE: Bug pasting text in mail reply ios 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mario,

A   part from the braille display and typing issues which will probably be 
worked out in time I find that iOS 11 is a much better and more stabil upgrade 
than iOS 10 or for that matter iOS 9 was.
That rotor delete thing in mail is as per Apple the new behaviour and meant to 
be that way although I still think it is a bit inconsistent, if this is what 
they now do I know I'll get used to it pretty quick and I'll just do another 
flick after a double tap to put the rotor back on "Activate".
The new way to move apps is awesome and personally I like it that Voiceover 
doesn't say "Actions available" each time you touch an app on the home screen. 
We all used the double tap and hold before so I'm sure everybody can get used 
to using it again for activating edit/moving mode.
I also love the new screen recorder feature, that alone is almost worth the 
upgrade as it makes it so easy to document a bug if you want to send something 
to a developer for consideration.
Auto call answer is also nice, it's not something I would set up permanently, 
but there are times like for example you are maybe cooking or doing something 
where you will have your phone nearby, maybe you are wearing a headset already 
and if somebody calls you don't even have to touch your phone.
The 3-finger triple tap for getting some information about pictures works and 
I'm sure will get better and I think all in all this is a very nicely done 
upgrade.
I'm not a braille user, but to mention braille again, Jonathan Mosen has long 
been lobbying for better braille support and while there are some bugs, 
apparently he is saying Apple is really getting braille in this update with 
respect to how they handle contractions and so on so I think once the bugs are 
worked out braille users will really enjoy that and of course let's not forget 
SIRI. The new voice is awesome and for deaf-blind users or people with an 
accent the ability to ask SIRI a question by typing it is a total game-changer.
I honestly don't see any regression in Apple's commitment to accessibility, 
they continue to put a great deal of thought into how to make new devices and 
features accessible and for the most part are doing a pretty good job.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bug pasting text in mail reply ios 11



Hi.
This issue comes from the ios 10.
It's not an issue of ios 11.
But yes, ios 11 is a disaster update to the blind.
Apple continues to ignore the blind in the cycle of betas.
It's my opinion.
IOS 10 is the best way.
and is that I follow without never have diverted to ios 11.
Thank god that high sierra was much more peaceful.
my iMac is faster, stable, and the VO was happy with that.
I'm less satisfied by the description of images have never worked for me.
but overall, I'm happy.

Perhaps these minor adjustments are improved in the future.
cheers.


Às 17:09 de 27/09/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
> Hi Iona,
>
> I can sort of reproduce this, but not in the same way as you described. What 
> seems to be happening after I tap on Reply is that Voiceover starts saying 
> message body, text field is editing or something along those lines, but then 
> it puts focus on the "To" line, but it does not go into editing mode.
> If I don't do anything at all after tapping on reply and then select Edit 
> from the rotor and paste nothing is pasted at all anywhere, I have to 
> actually swipe to the message body field but at that point I can just paste, 
> I don't have to double tap any more or anything like that to put focus there.
> I think maybe what happened is that because focus is on the To field maybe 
> you double tapped to make sure the insertion point is at the top and then you 
> would of course have started editing mode for the To field and if then you 
> paste the content would have gone there. I tried this several times with 
> email addresses in two different email accounts and for me on my 6S Plus with 
> iOS 11.01 what I described above was consistent.
> Now, if I tap reply and Voiceover is on the To field but not in editing mode 
> and I now start typing aything it does go instantly into the message body 
> field, in fact if I tap the Delete button which doesn't really do anything 
> since I'm already at the top of the document and then paste my clipboard 
> content is pasted into the message body.
> I would agree that this is a small bug as focus should be in the message body 
> field and not on the To field, but if all you want to do is paste something 
> in a reply and then send it without first writing anything I suggest you try 
> the work around and tap the delete button before you paste or you can of 
> course flick a few times until you get to the message body. Maybe you can 
> try, Iona, to follow these steps and see if that works for you, there 

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Re: Bug pasting text in mail reply ios 11

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi, 

Interesting. I did not notice this problem in iOS 10. 
No, I did not double-tap on the "to" field. 
I paste and apparently there's nothing in the message body but then, when I try 
to send, I get error because first few words get pasted into the "to" field. 

Maybe it's not on all devices 

I let apple know anyway. 

Thanks,


Ioana
Ios 11.01 with iPhone SE


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi.
> This issue comes from the ios 10.
> It's not an issue of ios 11.
> But yes, ios 11 is a disaster update to the blind.
> Apple continues to ignore the blind in the cycle of betas.
> It's my opinion.
> IOS 10 is the best way.
> and is that I follow without never have diverted to ios 11.
> Thank god that high sierra was much more peaceful.
> my iMac is faster, stable, and the VO was happy with that.
> I'm less satisfied by the description of images have never worked for me.
> but overall, I'm happy.
> 
> Perhaps these minor adjustments are improved in the future.
> cheers.
> 
> 
> Às 17:09 de 27/09/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
>> Hi Iona,
>> 
>> I can sort of reproduce this, but not in the same way as you described. What 
>> seems to be happening after I tap on Reply is that Voiceover starts saying 
>> message body, text field is editing or something along those lines, but then 
>> it puts focus on the "To" line, but it does not go into editing mode.
>> If I don't do anything at all after tapping on reply and then select Edit 
>> from the rotor and paste nothing is pasted at all anywhere, I have to 
>> actually swipe to the message body field but at that point I can just paste, 
>> I don't have to double tap any more or anything like that to put focus there.
>> I think maybe what happened is that because focus is on the To field maybe 
>> you double tapped to make sure the insertion point is at the top and then 
>> you would of course have started editing mode for the To field and if then 
>> you paste the content would have gone there. I tried this several times with 
>> email addresses in two different email accounts and for me on my 6S Plus 
>> with iOS 11.01 what I described above was consistent.
>> Now, if I tap reply and Voiceover is on the To field but not in editing mode 
>> and I now start typing aything it does go instantly into the message body 
>> field, in fact if I tap the Delete button which doesn't really do anything 
>> since I'm already at the top of the document and then paste my clipboard 
>> content is pasted into the message body.
>> I would agree that this is a small bug as focus should be in the message 
>> body field and not on the To field, but if all you want to do is paste 
>> something in a reply and then send it without first writing anything I 
>> suggest you try the work around and tap the delete button before you paste 
>> or you can of course flick a few times until you get to the message body. 
>> Maybe you can try, Iona, to follow these steps and see if that works for 
>> you, there is of course a chance that it might be different on different 
>> phone models, but this is consistent for me.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Ioana Gandrabur
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:30 PM
>> To: Viphone 
>> Subject: Bug pasting text in mail reply ios 11
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I'm having a problem with the mail app if I try to paste a text in the 
>> message body of a reply. If you also find this, consider reporting to apple 
>> please.
>>  
>> Here are steps to reproduce bug:
>> 1. Copy a text to clipboard.
>> 2. open a mail message you received.
>> 3. Start reply procedure.
>> 4.  Note that, although edit mode is on in message body field as expected, 
>> vo cursor is now on the "to" field. It's not in edit mode.
>> 
>> 5. Paste the text.
>> 6. The text gets placed in the "to" field instead of the message body.
>> 
>> Workaround is to make sure vo cursor is on the message body edit field 
>> before pasting.
>> 
>> Hope you can fix this inconvenience,
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[Rick Alfaro]

There is no trade-in program as far as I’m aware. I had to buy the new series 3 
watch but I got the model without LTE which saved me a few bucks. I still have 
my old apple watch. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Portillo
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

 

Did you have to actually buy a whole new watch, or were you able to sell your 
old watch or trade it in for part of the price for a new one?

Sent from my iPhone 7!


On Sep 27, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Rick Alfaro  > wrote:

Hi. I upgraded from an original series watch to a series 3. My original watch 
seemed to get slower and clunkier with each OS upgrade. When I put OS 4 on it, 
it was really unbearable at least in my opinion.

 

My new series 3 GPS model now is like night and day. Everything is nice and 
snappy and very responsive. My original watch was so sluggish with OS 4 that I 
actually stopped using it until I received my series 3.

 

If you can swing it, go for it because the difference is huge. I think that if 
I had had a series 2, I probably would not have upgraded but the original is 
now sorely underpowered.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

 

Hi,

 

I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven’t yet decided whether to 
upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a First 
generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I’d appreciate learning of your 
experience with this combo.

 

Thanks in advance, Keith

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RE: watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch

[Rick Alfaro]

VoiceOver works fine but there is one oddity with this face that Jonathan 
discovered in his unboxing podcast. If VO is running, all Siri responses are 
made using the regular Samantha voice you are used to on the watch. If VO is 
turned off however, Siri responds with the new Siri Female voice which is much 
more pleasant to listen to. I don't know if this is due to some sort of 
technical restriction, a bug, or just an oversight but I did report it to Apple 
accessibility.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 1:18 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple 
Watch

Very cool. Any one know how well VoiceOver works with this face? Keith

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Subject: watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch

9to5Mac - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 8:51 AM watchOS 4: How to customize 
and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch
 
watchOS 4 introduces a new Siri watch face on Apple Watch that intelligently 
updates to show you relevant content throughout the day. The Siri watch face 
pulls data from 14 different sources by default, but customizing these sources 
can help remove information from the timeline that you don't need and make the 
watch face more useful.
 
The Siri watch face includes a digital clock with a flashing second indicator 
(but no option for seconds), two customizable complications including a new 
Siri complication, and two dynamic tiles of information.
These tiles will update depending on time of day, date, current events, 
activity progress, and more.
Like other watch faces, swiping down from the top reveals Notification Center 
and swiping up from the bottom opens Control Center. Spin the Digital Crown on 
Siri face, however, and the timeline becomes a vertical carousel of information.
Rotating the Digital Crown downward shows Recent and All-Day tiles like 
temperature highs and lows and Now Playing cards. The tap minimizes to the top 
right corner with a light background indicating that it's a button you can tap 
to return to the main view. You can also click the Digital Crown to leave the 
timeline and go back to the starting point.
Rotating the Digital Crown upward shows you tiles for Up Next and Tomorrow.
Siri face previews the first Up Next tiles by default, and scrolling here 
reveals more. Rolling the Digital Crown lets you move around the timeline too.
 
While these tiles change dynamically, Siri face features two complications that 
you set. My default, the new Siri complication is located in the top left (this 
is the only face with this complication) and the date is located above the 
digital clock.
Tapping the Siri complication invokes the voice assistant just like holding the 
Digital Crown or saying 'Hey Siri' when the display is on. It's a visually 
satisfying complication, but you may get more use out of Siri face if you put 
something else here since you can invoke Siri with voice or a click.
 
Press the Siri face firmly, then select Customize to choose between Activity, 
Alarm, Battery, Breathe, Calendar, Date, Find My Friends, Heart Rate, Home, 
Mail, Maps, Messages, Moon Phase, Music, News, Phone, Reminders, Remote, Siri, 
Stocks, Stopwatch, Sunrise/Sunset, Timer, Weather, Weather Conditions, Workout, 
World Clock, and third-party complications.
The top right complication is a bit smaller and can be set to Alarm, Battery, 
Calendar, Date, Heart Rate, News, Stocks, Stopwatch, Sunrise/Sunset, Timer, 
Weather, World Clock, and third-party complications.
 
After you personalize the two complications, consider customizing which data 
sources Siri face uses. You can't do this from the Apple Watch, however, so 
you'll need your iPhone. Open the Watch app on your iPhone, look for the Siri 
face in the My Faces section (or add it from the Face Gallery tab at the 
bottom), then tap the Siri face to reveal customization options.
>From here you can set both complications just like on the Apple Watch, and a 
>Data Sources list lets you toggle apps that appear on Siri face on and off.
watchOS 4.0 includes 14 data sources: Alarms, Breathe, Calendar, Home, News, 
Now Playing, Photos, Reminders, Stocks, Stopwatch, Timer, Wallet, Weather, and 
Workout.
You can't use third-party apps as data sources (yet), but you can disable data 
sources that aren't useful for you and declutter the Siri face timeline. For 
example, I toggle off Photos, News, and Stocks to avoid seeing poorly chosen 
snapshots, the latest Trump headline, and stock market changes on my Siri face.
This cleans up the experience for me and only surfaces useful tiles like 
HomeKit scene triggers, exercise 

Re: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[Jim Portillo]

Did you have to actually buy a whole new watch, or were you able to sell your 
old watch or trade it in for part of the price for a new one?

Sent from my iPhone 7!

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I upgraded from an original series watch to a series 3. My original watch 
> seemed to get slower and clunkier with each OS upgrade. When I put OS 4 on 
> it, it was really unbearable at least in my opinion.
>  
> My new series 3 GPS model now is like night and day. Everything is nice and 
> snappy and very responsive. My original watch was so sluggish with OS 4 that 
> I actually stopped using it until I received my series 3.
>  
> If you can swing it, go for it because the difference is huge. I think that 
> if I had had a series 2, I probably would not have upgraded but the original 
> is now sorely underpowered.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven’t yet decided whether to 
> upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a First 
> generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I’d appreciate learning of your 
> experience with this combo.
>  
> Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: appStore, IOS 11, and reviewing an app

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi there,

I found a place after the review statistics of an app where it says “tap to 
rate”. Here you can get chance to adjust star level etc.

Have not tried to actually review. 

HTH,

Ioana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried to write a review of an app on the AppStore which comes
> with IOS 11?
> 
> 
> 
> I tried just now and simply could not find the option to do so.  How
> disappointing, but looks like Apple has reorganized the AppStore in some way
> where accessibility took a back seat.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for any how to tips on being able to do this.
> 
> 
> 
> Chip
> 
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Re: Anyone else having these issues? IOS 11.01

[Jenifer Barr]

Thanks all.
I will try that with the hey Siri! 
Jen


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> I have someone else who is also having the same braille issue as you.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Anyone else having these issues? IOS 11.01
> 
> Oi all.
> Before I write apple accessibility... can someone please confirm these issues 
> I'm having?
> I got my iPhone 8. Upgraded to the newest version of IOS yesterday. I 
> experience the following:
> 1. Braille display still lags. Cursor moves to random places when typing on 
> my focus. Words show up in the message out of order. 
> 2. VO crashes randomly. Screen curtain turns on (though it's always on) 
> 3. Hey Siri does not work. It is on in setings. 
> I just wanted to confirm these bugs before I write apple. The braille is most 
> frustrating. I can't even use my display right now because it's so quarky. 
> I am very disappointed in this release having so many bugs. 
> 
> Thank you to anyone who respons. 
> Jen
> 
> 
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RE: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi. I upgraded from an original series watch to a series 3. My original watch 
seemed to get slower and clunkier with each OS upgrade. When I put OS 4 on it, 
it was really unbearable at least in my opinion.

 

My new series 3 GPS model now is like night and day. Everything is nice and 
snappy and very responsive. My original watch was so sluggish with OS 4 that I 
actually stopped using it until I received my series 3.

 

If you can swing it, go for it because the difference is huge. I think that if 
I had had a series 2, I probably would not have upgraded but the original is 
now sorely underpowered.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

 

Hi,

 

I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven’t yet decided whether to 
upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a First 
generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I’d appreciate learning of your 
experience with this combo.

 

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appStore, IOS 11, and reviewing an app

[Chip Orange]

Hi all,

 

Has anyone tried to write a review of an app on the AppStore which comes
with IOS 11?

 

I tried just now and simply could not find the option to do so.  How
disappointing, but looks like Apple has reorganized the AppStore in some way
where accessibility took a back seat.

 

Thanks for any how to tips on being able to do this.

 

Chip

 

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RE: Apple Pay with IOS 11

[Tom Rash]

I was asking on the niphone list about using Apple Pay to pay individuals.  It 
is not out yet.  Supposed to be this fall.  I’m forwarding the email where 
someone mentioned that you could use Square Cash Pay.  Just for future 
reference.  Don’t care how you do it this time, but thought you might be 
interested. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Pay with IOS 11

 

Until Apple does, the Square Cash app is quite accessible and free.

 

Chip

 

 

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Tom Rash
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Pay with IOS 11

 

Is there a way to pay individuals with Apple Pay?  Thought I heard that was 
coming.  Is that possible yet?  If so, how does it work?

 

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RE: Comment: Why the iPhone X appears to be power-hungry despite more efficient OLED screen

[Chip Orange]

The OLED display of the X should then allow blind users to make use of the 
screen curtain feature to actually save battery life (as many have been asking 
about since the beginning).

 

Chip

 

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Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Comment: Why the iPhone X appears to be power-hungry despite more 
efficient OLED screen

 

 

Comment: Why the iPhone X appears to be power-hungry despite more efficient 
OLED screen

9to5Mac  /  Ben Lovejoy





  

We noted earlier a Chinese regulatory filing that appears to confirm an earlier 
report that the iPhone X   will come 
equipped with 3GB RAM 
 . That same 
filing also contains another interesting number: the apparent battery capacity.

Serial leaker Steve Hemmerstoffer tweeted 
  the image showing a 
battery capacity of 2716mAh – even higher than the 2691mAh battery found 
  in the iPhone 8 
Plus, with its far less power-efficient LCD screen …

LCD screens use a backlight to light up the entire display area. Even an area 
of the screen that is solid black gets the same amount of light, it is simply 
blocked by the black LCD pixels. OLED, in contrast, lights individual pixels, 
without any backlight required. A black area of the screen therefore uses no 
power.

It’s difficult to find true like-for-like comparisons, as manufacturers 
typically take advantage of the power efficiency of OLED by making their 
displays brighter. But a little Googling suggests that an OLED screen ought to 
use around two-thirds the power of an equivalent LCD one.

The iPhone X does, of course, have a somewhat larger display than the iPhone 8 
Plus, at 5.8 inches rather than 5.5 inches, but 5% more display area is 
relatively trivial compared to the power savings of OLED.

This suggests, then, that there’s other technology in the iPhone which requires 
significantly more power than less advanced models.

One obvious candidate is the optical image stabilization system. While the 
iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus have OIS on one camera, the iPhone X has it on both 
cameras. OIS has motors that physically move the lens to counteract hand 
movements, and this requires significant amounts of power.

A second likely suspect is the TrueDepth camera system. This is used not just 
for face recognition for unlocking the phone and authorizing Apple Pay 
transactions, but also for the new Animoji feature and the Portrait Mode when 
used with the front-facing camera.

The TrueDepth camera requires an infrared ‘flood illuminator.’ Although it 
doesn’t use visible light, this will use power levels not massively dissimilar 
to a visible-light flash, but will be operating for much longer periods.

So even with a larger battery and much more power-efficient display, Apple 
clearly finds that the extra features on the iPhone X eat significant amounts 
of power. It cites 12 hours of Internet use and 13 hours of video playback 
against an hour more of each for the iPhone 8 Plus.

When it comes to recharging your iPhone X or iPhone 8 battery, you’ll have the 
choice of fast-charging via wire 
  
or wireless charging with a pad 
 , wireless 
charging without a pad 
  or 
using furniture 
 . 
Manufacturers of Qi chargers have wasted in no time in adding iPhone 
compatibility   to their product descriptions.

Check out 9to5Mac on YouTube for more Apple news: 
 



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RE: Apple Pay with IOS 11

[Chip Orange]

Until Apple does, the Square Cash app is quite accessible and free.

 

Chip

 

 

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Tom Rash
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Pay with IOS 11

 

Is there a way to pay individuals with Apple Pay?  Thought I heard that was 
coming.  Is that possible yet?  If so, how does it work?

 

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RE: Anyone else having these issues? IOS 11.01

[Chip Orange]

I have someone else who is also having the same braille issue as you.


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Jenifer Barr
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Anyone else having these issues? IOS 11.01

Oi all.
Before I write apple accessibility... can someone please confirm these issues 
I'm having?
I got my iPhone 8. Upgraded to the newest version of IOS yesterday. I 
experience the following:
1. Braille display still lags. Cursor moves to random places when typing on my 
focus. Words show up in the message out of order. 
2. VO crashes randomly. Screen curtain turns on (though it's always on) 
3. Hey Siri does not work. It is on in setings. 
I just wanted to confirm these bugs before I write apple. The braille is most 
frustrating. I can't even use my display right now because it's so quarky. 
I am very disappointed in this release having so many bugs. 

Thank you to anyone who respons. 
Jen


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Re: watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Keith,

VoiceOVer works fine with the Siri face, reading the news, weather, etc. and 
responding when you turn the digital crown.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 27, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very cool. Any one know how well VoiceOver works with this face? Keith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch
> 
> 9to5Mac - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 8:51 AM
> watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch
> 
> watchOS 4 introduces a new Siri watch face on Apple Watch that intelligently
> updates to show you relevant content throughout the day. The Siri watch face
> pulls data from 14 different sources by default, but customizing these
> sources can help remove information from the timeline that you don't need
> and make the watch face more useful.
> 
> The Siri watch face includes a digital clock with a flashing second
> indicator (but no option for seconds), two customizable complications
> including a new Siri complication, and two dynamic tiles of information.
> These tiles will update depending on time of day, date, current events,
> activity progress, and more.
> Like other watch faces, swiping down from the top reveals Notification
> Center and swiping up from the bottom opens Control Center. Spin the Digital
> Crown on Siri face, however, and the timeline becomes a vertical carousel of
> information.
> Rotating the Digital Crown downward shows Recent and All-Day tiles like
> temperature highs and lows and Now Playing cards. The tap minimizes to the
> top right corner with a light background indicating that it's a button you
> can tap to return to the main view. You can also click the Digital Crown to
> leave the timeline and go back to the starting point.
> Rotating the Digital Crown upward shows you tiles for Up Next and Tomorrow.
> Siri face previews the first Up Next tiles by default, and scrolling here
> reveals more. Rolling the Digital Crown lets you move around the timeline
> too.
> 
> While these tiles change dynamically, Siri face features two complications
> that you set. My default, the new Siri complication is located in the top
> left (this is the only face with this complication) and the date is located
> above the digital clock.
> Tapping the Siri complication invokes the voice assistant just like holding
> the Digital Crown or saying 'Hey Siri' when the display is on. It's a
> visually satisfying complication, but you may get more use out of Siri face
> if you put something else here since you can invoke Siri with voice or a
> click.
> 
> Press the Siri face firmly, then select Customize to choose between
> Activity, Alarm, Battery, Breathe, Calendar, Date, Find My Friends, Heart
> Rate, Home, Mail, Maps, Messages, Moon Phase, Music, News, Phone, Reminders,
> Remote, Siri, Stocks, Stopwatch, Sunrise/Sunset, Timer, Weather, Weather
> Conditions, Workout, World Clock, and third-party complications.
> The top right complication is a bit smaller and can be set to Alarm,
> Battery, Calendar, Date, Heart Rate, News, Stocks, Stopwatch,
> Sunrise/Sunset, Timer, Weather, World Clock, and third-party complications.
> 
> After you personalize the two complications, consider customizing which data
> sources Siri face uses. You can't do this from the Apple Watch, however, so
> you'll need your iPhone. Open the Watch app on your iPhone, look for the
> Siri face in the My Faces section (or add it from the Face Gallery tab at
> the bottom), then tap the Siri face to reveal customization options.
> From here you can set both complications just like on the Apple Watch, and a
> Data Sources list lets you toggle apps that appear on Siri face on and off.
> watchOS 4.0 includes 14 data sources: Alarms, Breathe, Calendar, Home, News,
> Now Playing, Photos, Reminders, Stocks, Stopwatch, Timer, Wallet, Weather,
> and Workout.
> You can't use third-party apps as data sources (yet), but you can disable
> data sources that aren't useful for you and declutter the Siri face
> timeline. For example, I toggle off Photos, News, and Stocks to avoid seeing
> poorly chosen snapshots, the latest Trump headline, and stock market changes
> on my Siri face.
> This cleans up the experience for me and only surfaces useful tiles like
> HomeKit scene triggers, exercise recommendations, and upcoming Wallet
> passes.
> My 'Good morning' scene is displayed when I wake up, and the 'Good night'
> scene is shown in the evening. Tapping these launches the Home app and shows
> the specific scene in the list, then tapping the scene activates it (which
> turns my lights off, locks the front door, etc.).
> 
> Siri face is a great exercise coach, too, as it will recommend the exact
> amount of walking you should do to 

posting to Facebook with Siri

[Casey]

Hi do any of you think that we will get posting to Facebook back with Siri
anytime at all?

I am just wondering so if anyone has any thoughts on this please share them.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Bug pasting text in mail reply ios 11

[Mário Navarro]

Hi.
This issue comes from the ios 10.
It's not an issue of ios 11.
But yes, ios 11 is a disaster update to the blind.
Apple continues to ignore the blind in the cycle of betas.
It's my opinion.
IOS 10 is the best way.
and is that I follow without never have diverted to ios 11.
Thank god that high sierra was much more peaceful.
my iMac is faster, stable, and the VO was happy with that.
I'm less satisfied by the description of images have never worked for me.
but overall, I'm happy.

Perhaps these minor adjustments are improved in the future.
cheers.


Às 17:09 de 27/09/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Hi Iona,

I can sort of reproduce this, but not in the same way as you described. What seems to be 
happening after I tap on Reply is that Voiceover starts saying message body, text field 
is editing or something along those lines, but then it puts focus on the "To" 
line, but it does not go into editing mode.
If I don't do anything at all after tapping on reply and then select Edit from 
the rotor and paste nothing is pasted at all anywhere, I have to actually swipe 
to the message body field but at that point I can just paste, I don't have to 
double tap any more or anything like that to put focus there.
I think maybe what happened is that because focus is on the To field maybe you 
double tapped to make sure the insertion point is at the top and then you would 
of course have started editing mode for the To field and if then you paste the 
content would have gone there. I tried this several times with email addresses 
in two different email accounts and for me on my 6S Plus with iOS 11.01 what I 
described above was consistent.
Now, if I tap reply and Voiceover is on the To field but not in editing mode 
and I now start typing aything it does go instantly into the message body 
field, in fact if I tap the Delete button which doesn't really do anything 
since I'm already at the top of the document and then paste my clipboard 
content is pasted into the message body.
I would agree that this is a small bug as focus should be in the message body 
field and not on the To field, but if all you want to do is paste something in 
a reply and then send it without first writing anything I suggest you try the 
work around and tap the delete button before you paste or you can of course 
flick a few times until you get to the message body. Maybe you can try, Iona, 
to follow these steps and see if that works for you, there is of course a 
chance that it might be different on different phone models, but this is 
consistent for me.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:30 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Bug pasting text in mail reply ios 11

Hi

I'm having a problem with the mail app if I try to paste a text in the message 
body of a reply. If you also find this, consider reporting to apple please.
  


Here are steps to reproduce bug:
1. Copy a text to clipboard.
2. open a mail message you received.
3. Start reply procedure.
4.  Note that, although edit mode is on in message body field as expected, vo cursor is 
now on the "to" field. It's not in edit mode.

5. Paste the text.
6. The text gets placed in the "to" field instead of the message body.

Workaround is to make sure vo cursor is on the message body edit field before 
pasting.

Hope you can fix this inconvenience,

Ioana


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RE: watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Very cool. Any one know how well VoiceOver works with this face? Keith

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M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch

9to5Mac - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 8:51 AM
watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch
 
watchOS 4 introduces a new Siri watch face on Apple Watch that intelligently
updates to show you relevant content throughout the day. The Siri watch face
pulls data from 14 different sources by default, but customizing these
sources can help remove information from the timeline that you don't need
and make the watch face more useful.
 
The Siri watch face includes a digital clock with a flashing second
indicator (but no option for seconds), two customizable complications
including a new Siri complication, and two dynamic tiles of information.
These tiles will update depending on time of day, date, current events,
activity progress, and more.
Like other watch faces, swiping down from the top reveals Notification
Center and swiping up from the bottom opens Control Center. Spin the Digital
Crown on Siri face, however, and the timeline becomes a vertical carousel of
information.
Rotating the Digital Crown downward shows Recent and All-Day tiles like
temperature highs and lows and Now Playing cards. The tap minimizes to the
top right corner with a light background indicating that it's a button you
can tap to return to the main view. You can also click the Digital Crown to
leave the timeline and go back to the starting point.
Rotating the Digital Crown upward shows you tiles for Up Next and Tomorrow.
Siri face previews the first Up Next tiles by default, and scrolling here
reveals more. Rolling the Digital Crown lets you move around the timeline
too.
 
While these tiles change dynamically, Siri face features two complications
that you set. My default, the new Siri complication is located in the top
left (this is the only face with this complication) and the date is located
above the digital clock.
Tapping the Siri complication invokes the voice assistant just like holding
the Digital Crown or saying 'Hey Siri' when the display is on. It's a
visually satisfying complication, but you may get more use out of Siri face
if you put something else here since you can invoke Siri with voice or a
click.
 
Press the Siri face firmly, then select Customize to choose between
Activity, Alarm, Battery, Breathe, Calendar, Date, Find My Friends, Heart
Rate, Home, Mail, Maps, Messages, Moon Phase, Music, News, Phone, Reminders,
Remote, Siri, Stocks, Stopwatch, Sunrise/Sunset, Timer, Weather, Weather
Conditions, Workout, World Clock, and third-party complications.
The top right complication is a bit smaller and can be set to Alarm,
Battery, Calendar, Date, Heart Rate, News, Stocks, Stopwatch,
Sunrise/Sunset, Timer, Weather, World Clock, and third-party complications.
 
After you personalize the two complications, consider customizing which data
sources Siri face uses. You can't do this from the Apple Watch, however, so
you'll need your iPhone. Open the Watch app on your iPhone, look for the
Siri face in the My Faces section (or add it from the Face Gallery tab at
the bottom), then tap the Siri face to reveal customization options.
>From here you can set both complications just like on the Apple Watch, and a
Data Sources list lets you toggle apps that appear on Siri face on and off.
watchOS 4.0 includes 14 data sources: Alarms, Breathe, Calendar, Home, News,
Now Playing, Photos, Reminders, Stocks, Stopwatch, Timer, Wallet, Weather,
and Workout.
You can't use third-party apps as data sources (yet), but you can disable
data sources that aren't useful for you and declutter the Siri face
timeline. For example, I toggle off Photos, News, and Stocks to avoid seeing
poorly chosen snapshots, the latest Trump headline, and stock market changes
on my Siri face.
This cleans up the experience for me and only surfaces useful tiles like
HomeKit scene triggers, exercise recommendations, and upcoming Wallet
passes.
My 'Good morning' scene is displayed when I wake up, and the 'Good night'
scene is shown in the evening. Tapping these launches the Home app and shows
the specific scene in the list, then tapping the scene activates it (which
turns my lights off, locks the front door, etc.).
 
Siri face is a great exercise coach, too, as it will recommend the exact
amount of walking you should do to complete your Move goal at the end of the
day. Siri face also shows the Now Playing card for music and podcasts played
on the iPhone (or music on the watch), upcoming alarms and reminders appear
in the timeline as well as calendar events, and Wallet passes are surfaced
to the top when needed just like the lock screen on the iPhone.
You'll also see currently active Timers appear dynamically, sunrise and

RE: My phone now only rings once

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

Yes, I did.  My problem is now solved.  Thanks.

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone now only rings once

 

This has been an issue for a long, long, long, long time... and it only
seems to happen with some phones, and generally when the mute switch is on.
Incredibly annoying... I do hope it gets fixed eventually.

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:04 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Did you accidently turn auto answer on?
Check Accessibility Settings > Call Audio Routing > Auto Answer Calls and
make sure it is set to off and not 3 seconds or some other time interval.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:42 PM
To: Listserv Viphone 
Subject: My phone now only rings once

My 6S now only rings once. How do I fix this?

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Re: Anyone else having these issues? IOS 11.01

[Deb Lewis]

There are bugs with Braille although I can't confirm what you
specifically described. I cannot reproduce any of the other issues. I
find that phone often needs a good reboot even though the OS
theoretically did that.

On 9/27/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I believe the braille issue is still there and a known bug.
> I have no problems with Hey SIRI, I would just turn it off and then turn it
> back on and retrain SIRI to your voice.
> No issues with screen curtain at all, I rarely turn it on and it certainly
> does not come on automatically and I have not heard any comments or seen any
> posts regarding this, also not mentioned by Applevis.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:28 AM
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> Subject: Anyone else having these issues? IOS 11.01
>
> Oi all.
> Before I write apple accessibility... can someone please confirm these
> issues I'm having?
> I got my iPhone 8. Upgraded to the newest version of IOS yesterday. I
> experience the following:
> 1. Braille display still lags. Cursor moves to random places when typing on
> my focus. Words show up in the message out of order.
> 2. VO crashes randomly. Screen curtain turns on (though it's always on) 3.
> Hey Siri does not work. It is on in setings.
> I just wanted to confirm these bugs before I write apple. The braille is
> most frustrating. I can't even use my display right now because it's so
> quarky.
> I am very disappointed in this release having so many bugs.
>
> Thank you to anyone who respons.
> Jen
>
>
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Re: Dating options discussed again

[lenron brown]

Most dating apps seem not very accessible, due to swiping issues and
unlabeled buttons. Part of me wish I could design something that would
work well and everyone could enjoy. Something with text and voice
chatting. Maybe group style chat rooms for those that wanted them.
Scout and Partyline are some what accessible but they have issues that
can some what be annoying.

On 9/26/17, Bryan Schulz  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have you searched for firefox version 35 and downloaded it?
> Webvisum will work with that version.
> Install it in a directory you type and not the default so it won't get
> updated.
> Versions after 35 will not run the webvisum plugin and won't bust the
> captia.
> Make a shortcut on your desktop for this version and only use it when you
> have to get past a difficult form and use the most current version the rest
> of the time.
> Bryan
>
>
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> Of Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Dating options discussed again
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> A while back I asked about dating Apps and such.
>
> Someone was nice and replied, saying that Match and POF were useable, if
> you had some slight vision.
>
> I apologize, because I just can't remember who this was?
>
>
> Anyway, Match says you can sign up free, and so I thought you could use
> it free. But just be limited as to what you could do?
>
>
> As for POF, I tried signing up online, and I ran in to a capcha issue.
> Of course!
>
> Maybe I'll just live with my cats! LOL!
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Terri
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RE: Anyone else having these issues? IOS 11.01

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I believe the braille issue is still there and a known bug.
I have no problems with Hey SIRI, I would just turn it off and then turn it 
back on and retrain SIRI to your voice.
No issues with screen curtain at all, I rarely turn it on and it certainly does 
not come on automatically and I have not heard any comments or seen any posts 
regarding this, also not mentioned by Applevis.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jenifer Barr
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Anyone else having these issues? IOS 11.01

Oi all.
Before I write apple accessibility... can someone please confirm these issues 
I'm having?
I got my iPhone 8. Upgraded to the newest version of IOS yesterday. I 
experience the following:
1. Braille display still lags. Cursor moves to random places when typing on my 
focus. Words show up in the message out of order. 
2. VO crashes randomly. Screen curtain turns on (though it's always on) 3. Hey 
Siri does not work. It is on in setings. 
I just wanted to confirm these bugs before I write apple. The braille is most 
frustrating. I can't even use my display right now because it's so quarky. 
I am very disappointed in this release having so many bugs. 

Thank you to anyone who respons. 
Jen


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Re: My phone only rings once

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello Dulce,

Go to Settings/General/Accessibility and choose Call Audio Routing. Auto-Answer 
Calls is the last option on that screen.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
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> I believe I change the setting that has by calls answered automatically. Now 
> my phone only rings once and I don't know what I'm getting a phone call. 
> Where is the setting, and how can I fix this?
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RE: Apple Pay with IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And I believe it will be the US only at first.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sadam Ahmed
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Tom Rash 
Subject: Re: Apple Pay with IOS 11


Hi Tom,



My understanding is that Apple is yet to implement iOS to iOS payments via 
Apple Pay.



Here's hoping it's enabled soon via a software update.



Thanks



Sadam Ahmed





On 27/09/2017 11:45 PM, Tom Rash wrote:
Is there a way to pay individuals with Apple Pay?  Thought I heard that was 
coming.  Is that possible yet?  If so, how does it work?

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My phone only rings once

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

I believe I change the setting that has by calls answered automatically. Now my 
phone only rings once and I don't know what I'm getting a phone call. Where is 
the setting, and how can I fix this?

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RE: Bug pasting text in mail reply ios 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Iona,

I can sort of reproduce this, but not in the same way as you described. What 
seems to be happening after I tap on Reply is that Voiceover starts saying 
message body, text field is editing or something along those lines, but then it 
puts focus on the "To" line, but it does not go into editing mode.
If I don't do anything at all after tapping on reply and then select Edit from 
the rotor and paste nothing is pasted at all anywhere, I have to actually swipe 
to the message body field but at that point I can just paste, I don't have to 
double tap any more or anything like that to put focus there.
I think maybe what happened is that because focus is on the To field maybe you 
double tapped to make sure the insertion point is at the top and then you would 
of course have started editing mode for the To field and if then you paste the 
content would have gone there. I tried this several times with email addresses 
in two different email accounts and for me on my 6S Plus with iOS 11.01 what I 
described above was consistent.
Now, if I tap reply and Voiceover is on the To field but not in editing mode 
and I now start typing aything it does go instantly into the message body 
field, in fact if I tap the Delete button which doesn't really do anything 
since I'm already at the top of the document and then paste my clipboard 
content is pasted into the message body.
I would agree that this is a small bug as focus should be in the message body 
field and not on the To field, but if all you want to do is paste something in 
a reply and then send it without first writing anything I suggest you try the 
work around and tap the delete button before you paste or you can of course 
flick a few times until you get to the message body. Maybe you can try, Iona, 
to follow these steps and see if that works for you, there is of course a 
chance that it might be different on different phone models, but this is 
consistent for me.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:30 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Bug pasting text in mail reply ios 11

Hi 

I'm having a problem with the mail app if I try to paste a text in the message 
body of a reply. If you also find this, consider reporting to apple please. 
 

Here are steps to reproduce bug: 
1. Copy a text to clipboard.
2. open a mail message you received. 
3. Start reply procedure. 
4.  Note that, although edit mode is on in message body field as expected, vo 
cursor is now on the "to" field. It's not in edit mode. 

5. Paste the text. 
6. The text gets placed in the "to" field instead of the message body. 

Workaround is to make sure vo cursor is on the message body edit field before 
pasting. 

Hope you can fix this inconvenience,

Ioana


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Audio messages... in iMessages... ne more keep button?

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi all.
Since upgrading to the latest IOS yesterday... have they taken the "keep" 
button away for audio messages in iMessages? I have mine sent to keep forever 
but I also have seen a "keep" button before. Help?
Jen


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Re: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi all,

I got my series 3 watch yesterday, and it responds much, much faster than the 
original watch. You can certainly run Watch OS 4 on the first generation watch, 
but you spend a lot of time waiting for it to respond.

Best,
Anna



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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven’t yet decided whether to
>>> upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a
>>> First generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I’d appreciate learning
>>> of your experience with this combo.
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Anyone else having these issues? IOS 11.01

[Jenifer Barr]

Oi all.
Before I write apple accessibility... can someone please confirm these issues 
I'm having?
I got my iPhone 8. Upgraded to the newest version of IOS yesterday. I 
experience the following:
1. Braille display still lags. Cursor moves to random places when typing on my 
focus. Words show up in the message out of order. 
2. VO crashes randomly. Screen curtain turns on (though it's always on) 
3. Hey Siri does not work. It is on in setings. 
I just wanted to confirm these bugs before I write apple. The braille is most 
frustrating. I can't even use my display right now because it's so quarky. 
I am very disappointed in this release having so many bugs. 

Thank you to anyone who respons. 
Jen


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Siri problem

[Harry Bell]

On iPhone 7 Plus ios 11.0.1, if I ask Siri to turn off invert colours, Siri 
claims she has but in fact she hasn’t. This happens with classics or smart 
invert colours on. Do others notice that Siri lies??
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Re: Apple Pay with IOS 11

[Sadam Ahmed]

Hi Tom,


My understanding is that Apple is yet to implement iOS to iOS payments 
via Apple Pay.



Here's hoping it's enabled soon via a software update.


Thanks


Sadam Ahmed




On 27/09/2017 11:45 PM, Tom Rash wrote:


Is there a way to pay individuals with Apple Pay?  Thought I heard 
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Re: Apple Pay with IOS 11

[Daniel Miller]

That will be available later this fall.

Sent from my iPhone  

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Apple Pay with IOS 11

[Tom Rash]

Is there a way to pay individuals with Apple Pay?  Thought I heard that was
coming.  Is that possible yet?  If so, how does it work?

 

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Re: Downcast now working properly.

[Michael Malver]

My Downcast still crashes, though not nearly as often as it did under OS X.

Michael

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> Prior to iOS11 as most know downcast would crash regularly.
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Re: apple accessibility email address

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accessibil...@apple.com

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> Fanus  於 2017年9月27日 下午5:38 寫道：
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> Hello list
> What is the accessibility email address please?
> Regards
> Fanus
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apple accessibility email address

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Hello list
What is the accessibility email address please?
Regards
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In iOS 11, The iBook VoiceOver Continuous Reading Bug has Been Resolved

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

With the release of iOS 11, I received a message from Apple indicating that
they had resolved the iOS iBook VoiceOver continuous reading bug, described
in my original bug report, and that they wanted me to confirm this.

I am delighted to report that the bug, as I originally described in iOS 10,
has been successfully resolved with the release of iOS 11.  

I have already sent my congratulations and appreciation to Apple and wanted
to update you on this issue.  

I will paste in my previous post on this in order to refresh your memory on
this matter.

Here's one for the team, eh?

Mark

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:58 PM
Subject: Even in iOS 10.1 the iBook VoiceOver Continuous Reading Bug
Continues

Hello Everyone,

A while ago I posted to the groups describing what I consider to be an iBook
VoiceOver continuous reading bug given that the behavior did not occur in
previous versions of iOS.  

After posting, a couple of iOS beta testers reported that this issue had
been resolved in iOS 10.1.  

Well, as you can guess, I updated to iOS 10.1 and the bug, in my opinion,
persists.  

I am going to paste in a modified copy of my previous post on this and see
if any of you can reproduce it in iOS 10.1.

[ORIGINAL TEXT]
My preferred method for reading iOS iBook titles is to use the two-finger,
swipe-down VoiceOver gesture, in order to initiate continuous reading of the
text.  Please note that I am not referring to the Speak Screen accessibility
feature.

In short, my display is set to automatically lock after 30 seconds.  In the
previous versions of IOS, performing a 2-finger swipe down, in an iBook
title, would suspend the auto-lock and allow for continuous reading of the
text.  This does not appear to be the case, any longer.

This is to say, in certain titles, such as those containing imbedded
hyperlinks, the auto-lock engages, cancelling the continuous reading mode.

I first discovered this, last night, while reading the Apple TV User Guide.
The same phenomenon occurred when I tested my hypothesis with the iPhone
User Guide for iOS 10 and iPhone User Guide for iOS 9.3.  

At first, I thought it was some kind of issue with titles produced by Apple
but I tested a recently published (non Apple) title, that has a web link
imbedded in the text, and, just as with the Apple manuals, after less than 1
minute, the screen locked and reading ceased.  

It should be noted, that the hyperlinks that exist in the Table of Contents,
used to jump to a specific area, does not cause interruption to the
continuous reading feature.  I say this because titles in my Library,
containing only such links, read as expected.

Steps to Reproduce:

1.
>From Settings/General/Display and Brightness, set Auto Lock to 30 seconds.

2.
In iBook, open the Apple TV User Guide and, from the table of contents,
select Home Sharing; or, open the iPhone User Guide for iOS 10 and, from the
table of contents, select Basics.

3.
Once the desired page is displayed, perform the two-finger swipe-down
VoiceOver gesture to initiate continuous reading.  

As I said, in my testing, each time either an imbedded hyperlink or heading
is encountered, a short time later, the screen will lock and reading will
stop.  

Please confirm if this occurs during your testing.

I would like to note that, this problem does not occur when using the Speak
Screen accessibility feature.  While certainly useful in some instances, the
Speak Screen feature is not my preferred method for reading iBook titles.  

Mark


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