Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Gerardo Corripio]

Within the Apple TV app, which you've on your iPhone is how I did it earlier in 
the evening, with Audiodescription.

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> El 16 sep 2020, a la(s) 12:50 a.m., Afik Souffir  
> escribió:
> 
> 
>  
> Hi,
>  
> How can you listen to the event?
>  
>  
> Afik.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>  
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
>  
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>  
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
>  
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Afik Souffir]

Hi,

How can you listen to the event?


Afik.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Re: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

[Richard Turner]

Well, with my SE 2020 I'm not having any of those focus issues and there is no 
more delay when opening apps for me using US English.
 Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:57 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

 And speaking of iOS14 with VO, on a blindness iphone Spanish Whatsapp group 
I'm in, a guy did a demo, in which he commented how long apps would take 
between double-tapping and making the sound that it's opened and ready to use! 
I think the user was using an iPhone 10?
Also he commented that focus goes to the top of the screen, having to use 
Explore by Touch to go to the desired item to be able to interact with it?
Any of you'll encounter these with an SE2020?

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El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:37 p.m., Simon A Fogarty  
escribió:


Yeah that’s what confused me,
But there is not yet a watch os 7 or a tv os 14,
I can only assume it is the GM and they have cut the Beta version numbers for 
now.
So I guess we’re as normal a step ahead still.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

Well, this a little embarrassing, I "assumed" it was a beta since the public 
release isn't coming out until tomorrow.
i did not pay attention to the version number prior to the download.
All of mine, once they were installed, they just said 14.0.
So, maybe we did just get the full release version.
You know what they say about assuming?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Richard,

How was the new beta labelled?

As my updates show the version as ios 14,
With no beta version or point version.

And this is a public beta.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:27 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

The final beta just came out.
There have been issues and with message threading, misspelled words on the 
rotor, and maybe a couple other oddities, so I would not recommend people 
update immediately when it comes out tomorrow.
Also, some settings have been added and changed.  I won’t say more until after 
the release.
Go and read the Applevis.com blog tomorrow to see what they say.
Here is the main blog page link.  Look for a heading with iOS 14 in it probably 
tomorrow mid-day or afternoon to give them time to get it posted.
https://www.applevis.com/blog



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

Hi All,
Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable or have a 
lot of bugs?
Mr. Ed
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RE: Air Quality info

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah it’s like covid being caused by 5G mobile technology,

Just means I can’t wait until 7g mobile technology when I get a third head!



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 3:19 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

Well, just remember that some opinions are actually informed by science, 
knowledge and facts, while other opinions are informed but absolutely nothing, 
except for stupid conspiracy ideas. So saying that you don’t believe anybody 
just because they say it is great. But don’t Forget to put more stock in the 
opinions of those who actually study and have evidence, as opposed to those who 
are sticking their heads in the sand and wishfully thinking the problem would 
go away.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:54 PM, David Moore 
mailto:jesusloves1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I sure will!
I am a researcher at heart, and do not believe anything just because someone 
says it is so!
Have a great one!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

So trying to cite proof on this list would be seriously off-topic, David. But 
the evidence is out there and has been for years. All you have to do is Google 
it and ignore things like Fox News and other wild conspiracy theory idiots and 
you’ll be fine. The statistics are out there. We are causing it. Go research it.

Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, David Moore 
mailto:jesusloves1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What is the proof that the change in our climate is man made or is it a pattern 
of hot than cold that the Earth has experienced for all time!
Maybe it will start getting colder many years from now!
How do we know if it is man made!
I would really like to hear the proof you have!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Air Quality info

Reno,
I heard they have great beach front property to sell,

Hell I believe everything he says!

He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet,

Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of the 
smartest statements ever made by a muppet!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

We do not have a leader.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
just outside Reno Nevada.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

But Richard,

It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science 
hasn’t proved anything.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Air Quality info

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.
IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.
You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
I do not know what information is available in other countries.
Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..
Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.
Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

HTH,

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 

RE: Air Quality info

[Simon A Fogarty]

If global warming and air quality isn’t an issue,

How come there are reports of people in the state if not the city of New York 
seeing the smoke clouds from Oregon / western states that are currently on fire,


May be it’s just the sun going down early in parts of the USA.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:52 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

So trying to cite proof on this list would be seriously off-topic, David. But 
the evidence is out there and has been for years. All you have to do is Google 
it and ignore things like Fox News and other wild conspiracy theory idiots and 
you’ll be fine. The statistics are out there. We are causing it. Go research it.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, David Moore 
mailto:jesusloves1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What is the proof that the change in our climate is man made or is it a pattern 
of hot than cold that the Earth has experienced for all time!
Maybe it will start getting colder many years from now!
How do we know if it is man made!
I would really like to hear the proof you have!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Air Quality info

Reno,
I heard they have great beach front property to sell,

Hell I believe everything he says!

He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet,

Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of the 
smartest statements ever made by a muppet!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

We do not have a leader.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
just outside Reno Nevada.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

But Richard,

It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science 
hasn’t proved anything.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Air Quality info

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.
IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.
You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
I do not know what information is available in other countries.
Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..
Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.
Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

HTH,

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Re: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

[Gerardo Corripio]

And speaking of iOS14 with VO, on a blindness iphone Spanish Whatsapp group I'm 
in, a guy did a demo, in which he commented how long apps would take between 
double-tapping and making the sound that it's opened and ready to use! I think 
the user was using an iPhone 10?
Also he commented that focus goes to the top of the screen, having to use 
Explore by Touch to go to the desired item to be able to interact with it?
Any of you'll encounter these with an SE2020?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:37 p.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> Yeah that’s what confused me,
> But there is not yet a watch os 7 or a tv os 14,
> I can only assume it is the GM and they have cut the Beta version numbers for 
> now.
> So I guess we’re as normal a step ahead still.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:31 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO
>  
> Well, this a little embarrassing, I "assumed" it was a beta since the public 
> release isn't coming out until tomorrow.
> i did not pay attention to the version number prior to the download.
> All of mine, once they were installed, they just said 14.0.
> So, maybe we did just get the full release version.
> You know what they say about assuming?
>   
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Richard,
>  
> How was the new beta labelled?
>  
> As my updates show the version as ios 14,
> With no beta version or point version.
>  
> And this is a public beta.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:27 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO
>  
> The final beta just came out.
> There have been issues and with message threading, misspelled words on the 
> rotor, and maybe a couple other oddities, so I would not recommend people 
> update immediately when it comes out tomorrow.
> Also, some settings have been added and changed.  I won’t say more until 
> after the release.
> Go and read the Applevis.com blog tomorrow to see what they say.
> Here is the main blog page link.  Look for a heading with iOS 14 in it 
> probably tomorrow mid-day or afternoon to give them time to get it posted.
> https://www.applevis.com/blog
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO
>  
> Hi All,
> Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable or have a 
> lot of bugs?
> Mr. Ed
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Gerardo Corripio]

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
> It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
> So a slightly earlier chip,
>  
> Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.
>  
> It does sound like a great device
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard,
>  
> Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
> video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>  
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
>  
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>  
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
>  
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Re: Air Quality info

[Marty Hutchings]

Please, this  is  not the place for this discussion.

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, 
signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

From: David Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Air Quality info

What is the proof that the change in our climate is man made or is it a pattern 
of hot than cold that the Earth has experienced for all time!

Maybe it will start getting colder many years from now!

How do we know if it is man made!

I would really like to hear the proof you have!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Air Quality info

 

Reno,

I heard they have great beach front property to sell,

 

Hell I believe everything he says!

 

He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet,

 

Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of the 
smartest statements ever made by a muppet!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

 

We do not have a leader. 

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
just outside Reno Nevada.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

  On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

   

  But Richard,

   

  It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and 
science hasn’t proved anything.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Air Quality info

   

  Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.

  IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.

  You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.

  I do not know what information is available in other countries.

  Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..

  Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.

  Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate 
at 59, New York City is good at 32.

  Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

   

  IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

   

  HTH,

   

  Richard

  "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

   

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Re: Air Quality info

[Holly]

Here is an article that explains  the root of the whole problem.  No one seems 
to mention this.

“
Population problem



We do have 7.3 billion people on the planet. We continually choose not to face 
this dilemma, which is central to most human and non-human problems on the 
planet. We create consumers and therefore pollution. We create laborers and 
therefore stunning competition for jobs, many of which are being reduced by 
automation.. 

The economy and our "busyness" comes at a cost to the environment. With a 
reasonable population this cost is low. With billions it is overwhelming to the 
environment and all of our systems. For the non-human species of the planet we 
have little regard.. 

There is only one revolution: non-violent population reduction - no guns, no 
bombs. If everyone understood the ramifications of world population, they would 
know the consequences of their reproductive behavior. Then they would have 
perhaps only one child, or no children. And that is everyone, no matter what 
their race, economic status or religion happens to be.. 

A better world is available to all, but not by continually increasing our 
population. Anything else is just wishful thinking.. 





Population overstressing resources. .
Life on earth is doomed. The climate change talks in Paris are just a delaying 
tactic to the inevitable. What was not discussed? The underlying cause: 
population growth.. 

We use less coal per person, more efficient cars, solar panels, wind turbines, 
and the problems get worse.. 

It took the whole of human history up to 1960 to reach 3 billion people, and 
yet by 2011 it was 7 billion. So, in 51 years more people were added than in 
all the rest of history.. 

It's like a math problem. For every increase in population, the byproducts 
outpace whatever reforms are made, and the problem for the environment gets 
worse. More people means fewer forests, more pollution, more food needed, more 
natural resources used, etc.. 

And, sadly, it is a problem that cannot be solved due to our current business 
model, which requires business to constantly grow. That requires more 
customers, and so more population, and so on.. 

So, with the climate talks, we have kicked the can down the road a little.. 

Maybe the next time the world leaders will discuss the real problem _ 
over-population _ before the world becomes like the movie "Soylent Green.". 

Jon Stanescu . 

Sprague, WA .”


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Re: Air Quality info

[Mary Otten]

Well, just remember that some opinions are actually informed by science, 
knowledge and facts, while other opinions are informed but absolutely nothing, 
except for stupid conspiracy ideas. So saying that you don’t believe anybody 
just because they say it is great. But don’t Forget to put more stock in the 
opinions of those who actually study and have evidence, as opposed to those who 
are sticking their heads in the sand and wishfully thinking the problem would 
go away.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:54 PM, David Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> I sure will!
> I am a researcher at heart, and do not believe anything just because someone 
> says it is so!
> Have a great one!
> David Moore
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Air Quality info
>  
> So trying to cite proof on this list would be seriously off-topic, David. But 
> the evidence is out there and has been for years. All you have to do is 
> Google it and ignore things like Fox News and other wild conspiracy theory 
> idiots and you’ll be fine. The statistics are out there. We are causing it. 
> Go research it.
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, David Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> What is the proof that the change in our climate is man made or is it a 
> pattern of hot than cold that the Earth has experienced for all time!
> Maybe it will start getting colder many years from now!
> How do we know if it is man made!
> I would really like to hear the proof you have!
> David Moore
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Air Quality info
>  
> Reno,
> I heard they have great beach front property to sell,
>  
> Hell I believe everything he says!
>  
> He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet,
>  
> Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of 
> the smartest statements ever made by a muppet!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Air Quality info
>  
> We do not have a leader.
> Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
> If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
> just outside Reno Nevada.
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> But Richard,
>  
> It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and 
> science hasn’t proved anything.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Air Quality info
>  
> Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
> thread.
> IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
> hazardous.
> You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
> I do not know what information is available in other countries.
> Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
> smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
> almost 700..
> Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
> which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
> Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate 
> at 59, New York City is good at 32.
> Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.
>  
> IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
> when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.
>  
> HTH,
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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RE: Air Quality info

[David Moore]

I sure will!I am a researcher at heart, and do not believe anything just because someone says it is so!Have a great one!David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mary OttenSent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:51 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Air Quality info So trying to cite proof on this list would be seriously off-topic, David. But the evidence is out there and has been for years. All you have to do is Google it and ignore things like Fox News and other wild conspiracy theory idiots and you’ll be fine. The statistics are out there. We are causing it. Go research it. Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, David Moore  wrote:What is the proof that the change in our climate is man made or is it a pattern of hot than cold that the Earth has experienced for all time!Maybe it will start getting colder many years from now!How do we know if it is man made!I would really like to hear the proof you have!David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Simon A FogartySent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:26 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Air Quality info Reno,I heard they have great beach front property to sell, Hell I believe everything he says! He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet, Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of the smartest statements ever made by a muppet! From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pmTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Air Quality info We do not have a leader. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property just outside Reno Nevada.   Richard"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote: But Richard, It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science hasn’t proved anything. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 amTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Air Quality info Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own thread.IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite hazardous.You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.I do not know what information is available in other countries.Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit almost 700..Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 59, New York City is good at 32.Those last two are likely from normal air pollution. IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west. HTH, Richard"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR17MB1981ECDFFDC5B513926A5B2DB7200%40MWHPR17MB1981.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The 

Re: Air Quality info

[Mary Otten]

So trying to cite proof on this list would be seriously off-topic, David. But 
the evidence is out there and has been for years. All you have to do is Google 
it and ignore things like Fox News and other wild conspiracy theory idiots and 
you’ll be fine. The statistics are out there. We are causing it. Go research it.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, David Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> What is the proof that the change in our climate is man made or is it a 
> pattern of hot than cold that the Earth has experienced for all time!
> Maybe it will start getting colder many years from now!
> How do we know if it is man made!
> I would really like to hear the proof you have!
> David Moore
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Air Quality info
>  
> Reno,
> I heard they have great beach front property to sell,
>  
> Hell I believe everything he says!
>  
> He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet,
>  
> Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of 
> the smartest statements ever made by a muppet!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Air Quality info
>  
> We do not have a leader.
> Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
> If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
> just outside Reno Nevada.
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> But Richard,
>  
> It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and 
> science hasn’t proved anything.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Air Quality info
>  
> Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
> thread.
> IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
> hazardous.
> You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
> I do not know what information is available in other countries.
> Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
> smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
> almost 700..
> Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
> which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
> Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate 
> at 59, New York City is good at 32.
> Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.
>  
> IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
> when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.
>  
> HTH,
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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RE: I O S 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

It is available off the apple website.

They don’t repost it as it’s constantly there for a while to come.

If you use your mobile or ipad etc you can find it on the default webpage for 
apples sites.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14


You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on a 
Windows 10 computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt 
mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
totals in those videos. Leo LePorte and is experts often will describe
what is shown for the listener. I heard once they have a counter and
can see how many are watching and listening to their stream, and can
adjust to offer more or less description based on those numbers.
Occasionally, I will go back and watch segments of the event on
YouTube later if I want to know what exactly they said. I have used
ooTunes to listen to TWIT, but one could also use TuneIn Radio or
other radio streaming apps.

Enjoy,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/15/20, Chris Chaffin 
mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate
by heading, it is very easy to find.

Chris


On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)"

- Edward Herbert

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda 
mailto:noeville...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello group,
Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
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RE: Air Quality info

[David Moore]

What is the proof that the change in our climate is man made or is it a pattern of hot than cold that the Earth has experienced for all time!Maybe it will start getting colder many years from now!How do we know if it is man made!I would really like to hear the proof you have!David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Simon A FogartySent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:26 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Air Quality info Reno,I heard they have great beach front property to sell, Hell I believe everything he says! He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet, Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of the smartest statements ever made by a muppet! From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pmTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Air Quality info We do not have a leader. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property just outside Reno Nevada.   Richard"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote: But Richard, It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science hasn’t proved anything. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 amTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Air Quality info Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own thread.IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite hazardous.You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.I do not know what information is available in other countries.Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit almost 700..Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 59, New York City is good at 32.Those last two are likely from normal air pollution. IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west. HTH, Richard"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR17MB1981ECDFFDC5B513926A5B2DB7200%40MWHPR17MB1981.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SYCPR01MB40481BB978F2CF76CEA5EAE28A200%40SYCPR01MB4048.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is 

RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah that’s what confused me,
But there is not yet a watch os 7 or a tv os 14,
I can only assume it is the GM and they have cut the Beta version numbers for 
now.
So I guess we’re as normal a step ahead still.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

Well, this a little embarrassing, I "assumed" it was a beta since the public 
release isn't coming out until tomorrow.
i did not pay attention to the version number prior to the download.
All of mine, once they were installed, they just said 14.0.
So, maybe we did just get the full release version.
You know what they say about assuming?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Richard,

How was the new beta labelled?

As my updates show the version as ios 14,
With no beta version or point version.

And this is a public beta.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:27 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

The final beta just came out.
There have been issues and with message threading, misspelled words on the 
rotor, and maybe a couple other oddities, so I would not recommend people 
update immediately when it comes out tomorrow.
Also, some settings have been added and changed.  I won’t say more until after 
the release.
Go and read the Applevis.com blog tomorrow to see what they say.
Here is the main blog page link.  Look for a heading with iOS 14 in it probably 
tomorrow mid-day or afternoon to give them time to get it posted.
https://www.applevis.com/blog



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

Hi All,
Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable or have a 
lot of bugs?
Mr. Ed
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Re: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

[Gordon]

Beta testers now have gold master. Under normal circumstances Apple will 
release gold master shortly after the event ends and public the 
following week. So tomorrow the public gets what beta testers got today.


On 9/15/2020 9:30 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Well, this a little embarrassing, I "assumed" it was a beta since the 
public release isn't coming out until tomorrow.

i did not pay attention to the version number prior to the download.
All of mine, once they were installed, they just said 14.0.
So, maybe we did just get the full release version.
You know what they say about assuming?




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Simon A Fogarty  
wrote:




Hi Richard,

How was the new beta labelled?

As my updates show the version as ios 14,

With no beta version or point version.

And this is a public beta.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Richard Turner

*Sent:* Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:27 am
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

The final beta just came out.

There have been issues and with message threading, misspelled words 
on the rotor, and maybe a couple other oddities, so I would not 
recommend people update immediately when it comes out tomorrow.


Also, some settings have been added and changed.  I won’t say more 
until after the release.


Go and read the Applevis.com blog tomorrow to see what they say.

Here is the main blog page link.  Look for a heading with iOS 14 in 
it probably tomorrow mid-day or afternoon to give them time to get it 
posted.


https://www.applevis.com/blog 



Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *Mr. Ed

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:08 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

Hi All,

Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable 
or have a lot of bugs?


Mr. Ed

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Re: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

[Richard Turner]

Well, this a little embarrassing, I "assumed" it was a beta since the public 
release isn't coming out until tomorrow.
i did not pay attention to the version number prior to the download.
All of mine, once they were installed, they just said 14.0.
So, maybe we did just get the full release version.
You know what they say about assuming?




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:


Hi Richard,

How was the new beta labelled?

As my updates show the version as ios 14,
With no beta version or point version.

And this is a public beta.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:27 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

The final beta just came out.
There have been issues and with message threading, misspelled words on the 
rotor, and maybe a couple other oddities, so I would not recommend people 
update immediately when it comes out tomorrow.
Also, some settings have been added and changed.  I won’t say more until after 
the release.
Go and read the Applevis.com blog tomorrow to see what they say.
Here is the main blog page link.  Look for a heading with iOS 14 in it probably 
tomorrow mid-day or afternoon to give them time to get it posted.
https://www.applevis.com/blog



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

Hi All,
Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable or have a 
lot of bugs?
Mr. Ed
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RE: Apple Arcade, are any of the games accessible

[Simon A Fogarty]

And here I wasn’t a fan of gaming,

I guess I’m going to have to change that.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:53 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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When iOS 14 comes out, using screen recognition, the game Game of Thrones, Tale 
of Crows will be usable with screen recognition.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


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Hi,

No, none of the Apple arcade games are accessible. I just cancelled the 1mo. 
Free that I signed up for, so that my 10y/o would have something to keep 
himself occupied on our trip to CA.

Donnaare any of the games accessible
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RE: Air Quality info

[Simon A Fogarty]

Reno,
I heard they have great beach front property to sell,

Hell I believe everything he says!

He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet,

Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of the 
smartest statements ever made by a muppet!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

We do not have a leader.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
just outside Reno Nevada.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

But Richard,

It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science 
hasn’t proved anything.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Air Quality info

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.
IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.
You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
I do not know what information is available in other countries.
Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..
Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.
Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

HTH,

Richard
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RE: Bone conduction Headphones

[Simon A Fogarty]

Thanks Christopher,

Much appreciated and good to know.

Cheers.


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Subject: RE: Bone conduction Headphones

I certainly understand the point about the cost of the Airpod Pro’s. The Bose 
Frames are another interesting option, but they may be too pricy as well. The 
sound quality is better than the Trekz Titanioums, and they also don’t go in 
your ears. The battery life is pretty short though. Again, they’re not bone 
conduction either. For exercising, I’d still go with the Trekz Titaniums over 
the Airpod Pro’s or the Bose Frames.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone conduction Headphones

Yeah the airpods pro would be great but they cost a bit to much for the user 
wanting them here in NZ.

And with bone conduction they can listen while listening.

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Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:24 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone conduction Headphones

I also feel the same way about my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz.

These aren’t bone conduction options, but the Airpod Pro’s with their 
transparency mode also have a place, as do the Bose Frames. These are 
especially good options if you want better audio quality then you’ll get from 
the Trekz Titaniums.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Michael Feir
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone conduction Headphones

Hi Simon. I've been quite happy with my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz. In 
fact, I've never felt the need to try any other brand. They have built in voice 
guidance, are easy to use and do a good job sonically. I don't use them to hear 
audio dramas or music if I don't have to. I much prefer my AirPods. However, if 
I'm walking or out where I might easily loose my AirPods, they're great for 
walking, reading books with synthetic speech, listenning to podcasts, etc. when 
you need your actual hearing, the trade of worse sound quality is well worth 
it. The other down side of these headsets is that the microphones aren't great. 
You can be understood on phone calls but that's about it. I wouldn't want to be 
interviewed using them to record my speech. Hope that helps.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:09 AM Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:










Hi Lists,



I’m just wondering if anyone uses Bone Conduction Headphones with their iPhones 
or iPads,



If folks are I’m just wondering what brands / models are people using?



I’m looking for the best option for a friend to use while they are walking etc,



Any help would be appreciated.





Cheers,





Simon F










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Re: iPhone SE plus

[lenron brown]

I would like to see an SE2020  plus. I have not made my final choice
on phones yet. Still rocking my 7plus here.

On 9/15/20, Mary Otten  wrote:
> We know that Apple didn’t mention anything about  phones today. But in the
> tech blogs early this morning, there were a couple of them commenting on how
> a screen protector for an iPhone SE two or 2020+ had showed up at Best Buy.
> Same size as the 8+ and the 7+, and it fits those items. Makes me wonder if
> we’re going to see an SE2 plus at the iPhone reveal. That would be awfully
> hard to pass up.
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Simon A Fogarty]

All of them are fully accessible to the blind / vi.

They all have voiceover built in and work fantastically well

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Hello, just wondering which version of the Apple Watch would be most accessible 
to someone who is totally blind.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not been 
able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what someone 
told me.
If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the battery 
wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and maybe more, 
but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close enough to wanting 
one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the acronym 
at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus far I have 
not done, I would go for the new 6
Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but 
it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
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Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Simon A Fogarty]

I sold my apple watch Series 2 prior to xmas last year and it’s still working 
fine for the person using it.

So that’s at least 4 years back,



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Interesting. So they can’t be replaced even at an Apple store? I wonder how 
long the batteries tend to last. There is a history with Apple Watch. I know 
people that still have series 3 models. So that would be what? Three or four 
years ago? Three I guess. That’s not bad.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not been 
able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what someone 
told me.
If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the battery 
wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and maybe more, 
but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close enough to wanting 
one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the acronym 
at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus far I have 
not done, I would go for the new 6
Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but 
it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Richard,

How was the new beta labelled?

As my updates show the version as ios 14,
With no beta version or point version.

And this is a public beta.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:27 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

The final beta just came out.
There have been issues and with message threading, misspelled words on the 
rotor, and maybe a couple other oddities, so I would not recommend people 
update immediately when it comes out tomorrow.
Also, some settings have been added and changed.  I won’t say more until after 
the release.
Go and read the Applevis.com blog tomorrow to see what they say.
Here is the main blog page link.  Look for a heading with iOS 14 in it probably 
tomorrow mid-day or afternoon to give them time to get it posted.
https://www.applevis.com/blog



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

Hi All,
Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable or have a 
lot of bugs?
Mr. Ed
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Simon A Fogarty]

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
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The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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RE: I O S 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

Just remember that the Blood o2 meter / sensor on the watch is just that,
Part of a watch,

If you want to use that to judge your Bo2
Then take the results with a grain of salt,

It’s not something I would use if I was seriously concerned about my BO2 
hydration.

But it does sound like a cool toy for playing with.

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 7:23 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Hi,
I watched the apple event, and I thought that the blood oxygen monitor on the 
Apple Watch is a huge deal because as blind people, we have very limited access 
to medical devices that are accessible to monitor vital signs, and this is 
especially essential for those with life-threatening chronic health conditions 
like heart-disease, diabetes, asthma and even COVID-19.
Knowing your blood oxygen level is very useful when fighting covid because you 
can be breathing and talking just fine, and not even know if your oxygen level 
is very low until you suddenly crash. Many of the pulse oximeters are 
inaccessible, or at least, I haven’t heard of talking pulse oximeters. So, if 
you are alone and fighting covid or some other chronic condition, how are you 
supposed to manage it if you don’t have the accessible technology without 
having to break the bank and deal with the insurance companies?
The Apple Watch is a cost-effective way to reduce the shopping cart of 
accessories we used to use every day just to accomplish basic tasks like 
tracking time, writing, reading, monitoring health  and others.

Also I like the fact that the apple bands can fit a wider variety of sizes 
without having to adjust any clasps because it is a challenge when wearing 
bracelets for me. I have very small wrists and often times bracelets fall off 
my hand, especially the bangles. I cannot really find bangles that fit right at 
least in adult sizes without some of them going up my arm. I think that the new 
Apple Watch is the big highlight from the apple event.
Last year, I went to try on the apple watches, and some of the bands were to 
loose on me and there was no way of adjusting them, especially for the leather 
band with the magnetic clasp. So my options at the time were the sports band 
that had the adjustable holes, having to adjust the watch to the second last or 
even the last hole in order to fit properly.




On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Pete Nalda 
mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A new update to what we have. Looks like.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:16 PM, 
pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:

Is there a new apple tv coming out or just a new update to what we already have?
Patti


From: 
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 On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

They always repost it later the same day or certainly by tomorrow.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: 
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 On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:03 AM
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Subject: RE: I O S 14

I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.



From: 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
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Subject: Re: I O S 14

You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on a 
Windows 10 
computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/



Richard
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among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt 
mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I listen through the TWIT network. They 

iPhone SE plus

[Mary Otten]

We know that Apple didn’t mention anything about  phones today. But in the tech 
blogs early this morning, there were a couple of them commenting on how a 
screen protector for an iPhone SE two or 2020+ had showed up at Best Buy. Same 
size as the 8+ and the 7+, and it fits those items. Makes me wonder if we’re 
going to see an SE2 plus at the iPhone reveal. That would be awfully hard to 
pass up.

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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Priscilla Garces (prisci)]

Wouldn’t that constitute the same?  Only because the adapter you might need for 
the charging Cable to work is about $19. So, the price wouldn’t go down as much 
by excluding the charger from the packaging. they might as well compensate by 
giving us wireless chargers or at least a bundle that includes such products 
that can charge wirelessly since most of their products have that feature Or 
even  wireless EarPods as a discount. .



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> On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:09 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> I think they're still including the cord that you connect to the watch, just 
> not the charging brick.
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> it is a good point,
>>  
>> I take it you either have to purchase one or use a wifi charging pad with 
>> watch puck.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:17 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>>  
>> So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
>> expected to charge them?
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>>  
>> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>>  
>> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
>> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
>> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own 
>> phone, and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers 
>> requires the cellular model.
>> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
>> orderable today.
>> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the 
>> Series 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available 
>> Friday the 18th.
>>  
>> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
>> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>>  
>> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
>> tomorrow, the 16th.
>>  
>> No mention at all about a new phone.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
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>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
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Re: Apple Arcade, are any of the games accessible

[Devin Prater]

When iOS 14 comes out, using screen recognition, the game Game of Thrones,
Tale of Crows will be usable with screen recognition.
Devin Prater
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> Hi,
>
> No, none of the Apple arcade games are accessible. I just cancelled the
> 1mo. Free that I signed up for, so that my 10y/o would have something to
> keep himself occupied on our trip to CA.
>
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Re: Air Quality info

[Richard Turner]

We do not have a leader.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
just outside Reno Nevada.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:


But Richard,

It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science 
hasn’t proved anything.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Air Quality info

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.
IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.
You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
I do not know what information is available in other countries.
Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..
Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.
Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

HTH,

Richard
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Fwd: GoodMaps Explore Support & Feedback

[Richard Turner]

If anyone has a building they would like setup for indoor navigation, it looks 
like The Good Maps staff will reach out to them to get that facility to pay for 
the mapping. Here is the note I received from Good Maps:
Begin forwarded message:

From: Caitlin Cambron 
Date: September 15, 2020 at 3:27:00 PM PDT
To: Richard Turner 
Cc: Support 
Subject: Re: GoodMaps Explore Support & Feedback

Hi Richard,

In order to provide GoodMaps Explore for free, we work with venues so that they 
pay for their locations to be mapped. If there are any buildings (or 
organizations with many buildings) in those countries you can connect us with, 
I will can pass those names and emails along to our sales team.

Best,
Caitlin

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:29 PM
To: Caitlin Cambron 
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RE: Bone conduction Headphones

[chaltain]

I certainly understand the point about the cost of the Airpod Pro’s. The Bose 
Frames are another interesting option, but they may be too pricy as well. The 
sound quality is better than the Trekz Titanioums, and they also don’t go in 
your ears. The battery life is pretty short though. Again, they’re not bone 
conduction either. For exercising, I’d still go with the Trekz Titaniums over 
the Airpod Pro’s or the Bose Frames.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone conduction Headphones

 

Yeah the airpods pro would be great but they cost a bit to much for the user 
wanting them here in NZ.

 

And with bone conduction they can listen while listening.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:24 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bone conduction Headphones

 

I also feel the same way about my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz.

 

These aren’t bone conduction options, but the Airpod Pro’s with their 
transparency mode also have a place, as do the Bose Frames. These are 
especially good options if you want better audio quality then you’ll get from 
the Trekz Titaniums.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Feir
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Bone conduction Headphones

 

Hi Simon. I've been quite happy with my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz. In 
fact, I've never felt the need to try any other brand. They have built in voice 
guidance, are easy to use and do a good job sonically. I don't use them to hear 
audio dramas or music if I don't have to. I much prefer my AirPods. However, if 
I'm walking or out where I might easily loose my AirPods, they're great for 
walking, reading books with synthetic speech, listenning to podcasts, etc. when 
you need your actual hearing, the trade of worse sound quality is well worth 
it. The other down side of these headsets is that the microphones aren't great. 
You can be understood on phone calls but that's about it. I wouldn't want to be 
interviewed using them to record my speech. Hope that helps.

 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:09 AM Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:












 

 

Hi Lists,

 

 

 

I’m just wondering if anyone uses Bone Conduction Headphones with their iPhones 
or iPads,

 

 

 

If folks are I’m just wondering what brands / models are people using?

 

 

 

I’m looking for the best option for a friend to use while they are walking etc,

 

 

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

 

 

Simon F

 

 

 

 










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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[chaltain]

I didn’t see this in Richard’s summary, so I assume this was mentioned during 
the event. I personally like this move, since I don’t need any more of these 
chargers around my house or in my local landfill. It would be even better if 
Apple knocked a few bucks off the price of the Apple Watch and had a bundle 
that included a charger along with a few other peripherals.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

They said during the event that as part of their plan to reduce their carbon 
footprint to 0 by 2030, they would not be including the charging brick because 
most people have all that they need.

 

It was quite clear this is part of their environmental program.  

 

I’m not taking sides, just passing on what I understood.

 

 

 

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:09 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

I think they're still including the cord that you connect to the watch, just 
not the charging brick.

 

On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

 

it is a good point,

 

I take it you either have to purchase one or use a wifi charging pad with watch 
puck.

 

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 richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:17 am
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
expected to charge them?

 

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 viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

 

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.

Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.

Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

 

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.

iPads won’t be available until next month.

 

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

 

No mention at all about a new phone.

 

 

 

 

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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Apple Watch Battery repair from Apple

[Richard Turner]

Since I brought up the question, here is a clear answer from Apple's web site, 
and it is a good answer:



Battery service

If your battery has a manufacturing issue that's covered by the Apple Limited 
Warranty, AppleCare+, or consumer law, we'll service your Apple Watch at no 
additional cost.

Our warranty doesn't cover batteries that wear down from normal use. We offer 
out-of-warranty battery service for a fee.

If your Apple Watch battery holds less than 80 percent of its original battery 
capacity and it's covered by AppleCare+, you will get Apple Watch battery 
service for no additional charge.

We might need to test your product to find the cause of your battery issue.

Get help charging your battery
Learn how to preserve battery 
life

See Apple out-of-warranty battery 
pricing

It looks like the US cost for a new battery out of warranty is $79.





Richard
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

They said during the event that as part of their plan to reduce their carbon 
footprint to 0 by 2030, they would not be including the charging brick because 
most people have all that they need.

It was quite clear this is part of their environmental program.

I’m not taking sides, just passing on what I understood.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:09 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I think they're still including the cord that you connect to the watch, just 
not the charging brick.


On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

it is a good point,

I take it you either have to purchase one or use a wifi charging pad with watch 
puck.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:17 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
expected to charge them?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Anna Dresner]

I think they're still including the cord that you connect to the watch, just 
not the charging brick.

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> it is a good point,
>  
> I take it you either have to purchase one or use a wifi charging pad with 
> watch puck.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> richr...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:17 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
> expected to charge them?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>  
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
>  
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>  
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
>  
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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RE: Bone conduction Headphones

[Simon A Fogarty]

Thanks but the pro airpods are to costly and waring one while cycling could be 
interesting for this person.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Keith 
Bierman
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 11:21 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone conduction Headphones

There are lots. I've had a couple of cheap no-name chinese headsets. 
https://news.soulrunnner.com/best-conduction-headphones-2020/?gclid=CjwKCAjwzIH7BRAbEiwAoDxxTnOpwN-dpGAJkc0ciDbn8-MABqj_8e6X438k-PFM-YYV1igMTGH_wBoCmPMQAvD_BwE
 has reviews of several.

Personally, I prefer the Apple AirPods pro in transparency mode, and/or wearing 
just one. But it's all what one gets used to, I suppose

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:40 PM Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
So the key thing here is that the sound quality is not overly fantastic which 
to me makes sense,

But they do allow the user to hear what is both happening from the headphones 
and what is happening around the user environmentally

So they would be a good choice if someone was walking or cycling a lot?

Does anyone know of any other brands of bone conduction headphones other than 
the after shocks?

Thanks.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Michael Feir
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 9:47 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone conduction Headphones

Hi Simon. I've been quite happy with my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz. In 
fact, I've never felt the need to try any other brand. They have built in voice 
guidance, are easy to use and do a good job sonically. I don't use them to hear 
audio dramas or music if I don't have to. I much prefer my AirPods. However, if 
I'm walking or out where I might easily loose my AirPods, they're great for 
walking, reading books with synthetic speech, listenning to podcasts, etc. when 
you need your actual hearing, the trade of worse sound quality is well worth 
it. The other down side of these headsets is that the microphones aren't great. 
You can be understood on phone calls but that's about it. I wouldn't want to be 
interviewed using them to record my speech. Hope that helps.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:09 AM Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:












Hi Lists,



I’m just wondering if anyone uses Bone Conduction Headphones with their iPhones 
or iPads,



If folks are I’m just wondering what brands / models are people using?



I’m looking for the best option for a friend to use while they are walking etc,



Any help would be appreciated.





Cheers,





Simon F












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Re: Apple Arcade, are any of the games accessible

[Donna Casteen]

Hi,

No, none of the Apple arcade games are accessible. I just cancelled the 1mo. 
Free that I signed up for, so that my 10y/o would have something to keep 
himself occupied on our trip to CA.

Donnaare any of the games accessible
> 
> Hi I i’m just curious to know if the Apple arcade and the games in it are 
> accessible with voiceover.
> Jen
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[TaraPrakash]

Yes, Apple watch battery can be replaced by Apple certified technicians . Even 
a BestBuy store can replace that   
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-service-repair/apple-watch-service-repair/pcmcat1554832617549.c?id=pcmcat1554832617549

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not been 
> able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what someone 
> told me.
> If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the 
> battery wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and 
> maybe more, but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close 
> enough to wanting one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the 
> acronym at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus 
> far I have not done, I would go for the new 6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard,
>  
> Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
> video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>  
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
>  
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>  
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
>  
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
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Re: Bone conduction Headphones

[Keith Bierman]

There are lots. I've had a couple of cheap no-name chinese headsets.
https://news.soulrunnner.com/best-conduction-headphones-2020/?gclid=CjwKCAjwzIH7BRAbEiwAoDxxTnOpwN-dpGAJkc0ciDbn8-MABqj_8e6X438k-PFM-YYV1igMTGH_wBoCmPMQAvD_BwE
has
reviews of several.

Personally, I prefer the Apple AirPods pro in transparency mode, and/or
wearing just one. But it's all what one gets used to, I suppose

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:40 PM Simon A Fogarty 
wrote:

> So the key thing here is that the sound quality is not overly fantastic
> which to me makes sense,
>
>
>
> But they do allow the user to hear what is both happening from the
> headphones and what is happening around the user environmentally
>
>
>
> So they would be a good choice if someone was walking or cycling a lot?
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of any other brands of bone conduction headphones other
> than the after shocks?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Michael Feir
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 September 2020 9:47 pm
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Bone conduction Headphones
>
>
>
> Hi Simon. I've been quite happy with my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz.
> In fact, I've never felt the need to try any other brand. They have built
> in voice guidance, are easy to use and do a good job sonically. I don't use
> them to hear audio dramas or music if I don't have to. I much prefer my
> AirPods. However, if I'm walking or out where I might easily loose my
> AirPods, they're great for walking, reading books with synthetic speech,
> listenning to podcasts, etc. when you need your actual hearing, the trade
> of worse sound quality is well worth it. The other down side of these
> headsets is that the microphones aren't great. You can be understood on
> phone calls but that's about it. I wouldn't want to be interviewed using
> them to record my speech. Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:09 AM Simon A Fogarty 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Lists,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I’m just wondering if anyone uses Bone Conduction Headphones with their
> iPhones or iPads,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If folks are I’m just wondering what brands / models are people using?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I’m looking for the best option for a friend to use while they are walking
> etc,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Simon F
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Simon A Fogarty]

it is a good point,

I take it you either have to purchase one or use a wifi charging pad with watch 
puck.

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:17 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
expected to charge them?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




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RE: I O S 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

No mention at this point.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:16 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

Is there a new apple tv coming out or just a new update to what we already have?
Patti


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

They always repost it later the same day or certainly by tomorrow.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14


You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on a 
Windows 10 
computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt 
mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
totals in those videos. Leo LePorte and is experts often will describe
what is shown for the listener. I heard once they have a counter and
can see how many are watching and listening to their stream, and can
adjust to offer more or less description based on those numbers.
Occasionally, I will go back and watch segments of the event on
YouTube later if I want to know what exactly they said. I have used
ooTunes to listen to TWIT, but one could also use TuneIn Radio or
other radio streaming apps.

Enjoy,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/15/20, Chris Chaffin 
mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate
by heading, it is very easy to find.

Chris


On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)"

- Edward Herbert

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda 
mailto:noeville...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello group,
Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
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RE: I O S 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

I haven’t watched the entire thing but the watch and iPad 8 haven’t yet really 
shown me anything different,

And the subscription services with the / for the apple watch s6 wont be 
available here for us in NZ as we don’t have the cellular watch models 
available.

The release of an sE watch was a bit of a surprize as well as them keeping the 
s3 device


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:14 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14


There was no mention of iPhone at all during today's event. However IOS 14 
drops for everyone tomorrow according to what Tim Cooke said at the end of the 
event. It makes me wonder how delayed the iPhone 12 really is. I wonder if they 
will announce it like they did with the SE or if they will have a special event 
just for iPhone?
On 9/15/2020 1:03 PM, Noe Villeda wrote:
I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14


You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on a 
Windows 10 computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt 
 wrote:
I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
totals in those videos. Leo LePorte and is experts often will describe
what is shown for the listener. I heard once they have a counter and
can see how many are watching and listening to their stream, and can
adjust to offer more or less description based on those numbers.
Occasionally, I will go back and watch segments of the event on
YouTube later if I want to know what exactly they said. I have used
ooTunes to listen to TWIT, but one could also use TuneIn Radio or
other radio streaming apps.

Enjoy,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/15/20, Chris Chaffin 
 wrote:


It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate
by heading, it is very easy to find.

Chris


On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist 

wrote:


Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)"

- Edward Herbert

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda 
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Hello group,
Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
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RE: Question about Text Grabber app

[Simon A Fogarty]

Try searching for Microsoft and then flick down through the applications.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 3:57 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

Where can I find seeing AI? I went to the upstore and couldn’t find it.

Rena

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

Why not try seeing AI from Microsoft also.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 6:10 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

I am thinking about different items: mail, cans, boxes, etc.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

It is for scanning anything that is in print.
Which is what Text Grabber should do, but Voice Dream Scanner does a better job.
If the cost is an issue,  try Seeing AI, which is free and can do either 
immediate reading of anything in view of the camera, or it has a document 
channel that will scan a page.
Prizmo go is also free and can do a quick scan of a page, etc.

It depends what kind of printed material you are wanting to scan.
Perhaps you could give examples of printed items you want to get access to and 
we could give more specific recommendations.




Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

What does it do? What does it read?


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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

No, Voice Dream Scanner is another app, but it's from the same developer as 
Voice Dream Reader.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

I have voice dream reader. Is this the same?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Text Grabber app

I never found text grabber all that useful.
I use Voice Dream Scanner, $5.99.





Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Rena 
mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

I have Text Grabber in my iPhone 6S, but I don’t understand how to use it 
despite I read some descriptions. Would anyone please explain?

By the way, thanks for the explanation about EyeNote. It seems magic.

Rena
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RE: Air Quality info

[Simon A Fogarty]

But Richard,

It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science 
hasn’t proved anything.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Air Quality info

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.
IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.
You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
I do not know what information is available in other countries.
Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..
Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.
Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

HTH,

Richard
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RE: I O S 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

And 5am Wednesday morning in new zealdnd,

Because we get everything first.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Flor 
Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14

10am PACIFIC; 1pm Eastern; 6pm UK time.

From: llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14
10:00 a.m. which time zone?

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM. Until 
Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,


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others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Hello group,

Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?


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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Chris Chaffin]

I still have the original Apple Watch, which is now known as the series zero., 
and the battery is not to bad for 5 years old. I would say that it would be 
comparable to a 5 year old iPhone.

Just like the phones slow down over time, so do the watches.

I would not be surprised if you could get a new battery for the watch as long 
as you let Apple do it. It would be a good question to ask Apple.

Chris


> On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not been 
> able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what someone 
> told me.
> If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the 
> battery wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and 
> maybe more, but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close 
> enough to wanting one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the 
> acronym at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus 
> far I have not done, I would go for the new 6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard,
>  
> Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
> video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>  
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
>  
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>  
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
>  
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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RE: audio Stream of NFL Games

[Simon A Fogarty]

Richard,
You use to call football soccer, now it is football,

But in countrys like nz Australia south Africa 
We play rugby football,

Which is 30 players trying to get an egg shaped ball oover the try line 
And that's 15 players per side,
And no one wears padding,

It's just raw strength and muscle,

And that's just the women players.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:00 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: audio Stream of NFL Games

Not to mention the ball is oblong shaped so it takes strange bounces if it hits 
the ground and is a little harder to catch.
And, it is mostly handled by one's hands, not their foot, unlike football 
played in most other places in the world, which we call socker.  



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: audio Stream of NFL Games

Oh yes, and they run up and down the field chasing each other and jumping on 
opponents whenever possible! Great fun for sure. LOL!

-Original Message-
From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: audio Stream of NFL Games

What is this game NFL you folks speak of?

Is it some fancy game where people throw things at each other while wearing 
pads and helmets?



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 7:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: audio Stream of NFL Games

I am using an app called gameday, it provides radio streams for the various 
teams.

Fred Olver
- Original Message -
From: "Lynda Ingraham" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:22 AM
Subject: audio Stream of NFL Games


> hi,
>
> I am wondering what apps people are using to listen to the audio 
> streams of NFL games. I had renewed my tune in radio pro premium only 
> to find out they're not carrying audio streams this year. Does anyone 
> have any suggestions? I am a buffalo bills fan.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Lynda
>
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RE: I O S 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

And off the website it automatically had audio description which was
Very cool, so I would assume the tv app had the same feture as well.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 1:02 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14

It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate by 
heading, it is very easy to find.

Chris



On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)"

- Edward Herbert

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM. Until 
Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,


Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda 
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Hello group,
Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I'm sure they're all equally accessible. I've had a Series 3 for 3 years, and 
the battery is still fine, so it definitely lasts a while.

Best,
Anna


> On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> Hello, just wondering which version of the Apple Watch would be most 
> accessible to someone who is totally blind.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Richard Turner  > wrote:
> 
>> My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not 
>> been able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what 
>> someone told me.
>> If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the 
>> battery wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and 
>> maybe more, but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close 
>> enough to wanting one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>>  
>> It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the 
>> acronym at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus 
>> far I have not done, I would go for the new 6
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner > > wrote:
>> 
>>  The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
>> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
>> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
>> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly > > wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Richard,
>>  
>> Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour 
>> plus video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.
>>  
>> Alan Lemly
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>>  
>> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>>  
>> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
>> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
>> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own 
>> phone, and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers 
>> requires the cellular model.
>> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
>> orderable today.
>> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the 
>> Series 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available 
>> Friday the 18th.
>>  
>> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
>> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>>  
>> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
>> tomorrow, the 16th.
>>  
>> No mention at all about a new phone.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
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RE: audio Stream of NFL Games

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah but they wear padding!

Rugby players don't.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:48 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: audio Stream of NFL Games

Oh yes, and they run up and down the field chasing each other and jumping on 
opponents whenever possible! Great fun for sure. LOL!

-Original Message-
From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: audio Stream of NFL Games

What is this game NFL you folks speak of?

Is it some fancy game where people throw things at each other while wearing 
pads and helmets?



-Original Message-
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Olver
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 7:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: audio Stream of NFL Games

I am using an app called gameday, it provides radio streams for the various 
teams.

Fred Olver
- Original Message -
From: "Lynda Ingraham" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:22 AM
Subject: audio Stream of NFL Games


> hi,
>
> I am wondering what apps people are using to listen to the audio streams
> of NFL games. I had renewed my tune in radio pro premium only to find out
> they're not carrying audio streams this year. Does anyone have any
> suggestions? I am a buffalo bills fan.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Lynda
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RE: Bone conduction Headphones

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah the airpods pro would be great but they cost a bit to much for the user 
wanting them here in NZ.

And with bone conduction they can listen while listening.

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Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:24 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone conduction Headphones

I also feel the same way about my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz.

These aren’t bone conduction options, but the Airpod Pro’s with their 
transparency mode also have a place, as do the Bose Frames. These are 
especially good options if you want better audio quality then you’ll get from 
the Trekz Titaniums.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Michael Feir
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone conduction Headphones

Hi Simon. I've been quite happy with my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz. In 
fact, I've never felt the need to try any other brand. They have built in voice 
guidance, are easy to use and do a good job sonically. I don't use them to hear 
audio dramas or music if I don't have to. I much prefer my AirPods. However, if 
I'm walking or out where I might easily loose my AirPods, they're great for 
walking, reading books with synthetic speech, listenning to podcasts, etc. when 
you need your actual hearing, the trade of worse sound quality is well worth 
it. The other down side of these headsets is that the microphones aren't great. 
You can be understood on phone calls but that's about it. I wouldn't want to be 
interviewed using them to record my speech. Hope that helps.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:09 AM Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:












Hi Lists,



I’m just wondering if anyone uses Bone Conduction Headphones with their iPhones 
or iPads,



If folks are I’m just wondering what brands / models are people using?



I’m looking for the best option for a friend to use while they are walking etc,



Any help would be appreciated.





Cheers,





Simon F












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RE: Bone conduction Headphones

[Simon A Fogarty]

So the key thing here is that the sound quality is not overly fantastic which 
to me makes sense,

But they do allow the user to hear what is both happening from the headphones 
and what is happening around the user environmentally

So they would be a good choice if someone was walking or cycling a lot?

Does anyone know of any other brands of bone conduction headphones other than 
the after shocks?

Thanks.

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Feir
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 9:47 pm
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Subject: Re: Bone conduction Headphones

Hi Simon. I've been quite happy with my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz. In 
fact, I've never felt the need to try any other brand. They have built in voice 
guidance, are easy to use and do a good job sonically. I don't use them to hear 
audio dramas or music if I don't have to. I much prefer my AirPods. However, if 
I'm walking or out where I might easily loose my AirPods, they're great for 
walking, reading books with synthetic speech, listenning to podcasts, etc. when 
you need your actual hearing, the trade of worse sound quality is well worth 
it. The other down side of these headsets is that the microphones aren't great. 
You can be understood on phone calls but that's about it. I wouldn't want to be 
interviewed using them to record my speech. Hope that helps.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:09 AM Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:













Hi Lists,



I’m just wondering if anyone uses Bone Conduction Headphones with their iPhones 
or iPads,



If folks are I’m just wondering what brands / models are people using?



I’m looking for the best option for a friend to use while they are walking etc,



Any help would be appreciated.





Cheers,





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RE: Apple Arcade, are any of the games accessible

[Mich Verrier]

Hi I don't think any of the games that are in the apple arcade are accessible. 
From Mich.

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Hi I i’m just curious to know if the Apple arcade and the games in it are 
accessible with voiceover.
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Michael Irons]

Hello, just wondering which version of the Apple Watch would be most accessible 
to someone who is totally blind.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not been 
> able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what someone 
> told me.
> If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the 
> battery wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and 
> maybe more, but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close 
> enough to wanting one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the 
> acronym at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus 
> far I have not done, I would go for the new 6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard,
>  
> Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
> video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>  
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
>  
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>  
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
>  
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Apple Arcade, are any of the games accessible

[Jen .]

Hi I i’m just curious to know if the Apple arcade and the games in it are 
accessible with voiceover.
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Mary Otten]

Interesting. So they can’t be replaced even at an Apple store? I wonder how 
long the batteries tend to last. There is a history with Apple Watch. I know 
people that still have series 3 models. So that would be what? Three or four 
years ago? Three I guess. That’s not bad.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not been 
> able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what someone 
> told me.
> If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the 
> battery wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and 
> maybe more, but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close 
> enough to wanting one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the 
> acronym at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus 
> far I have not done, I would go for the new 6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard,
>  
> Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
> video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>  
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
>  
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>  
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
>  
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Good maps Explorer from APH

[Richard Turner]

Hello,
APH replied to my emails.
First, it is available right now in the U.S. and Canada.
They plan to release it in more countries soon.
I recommend writing directly to them from your country and let them know you 
would like it to be available where you live.  Use either 
info@goodmaps.com or 
support@goodmaps.com

Also, they are considering using the iOS Map data for Points of Interest, tell 
them you think that is a good idea.  They currently use Four Square, which I 
have found to be highly inaccurate.
Maybe even Open Street Maps would be better, I don't know.
Its too bad google charges for their POI data.




Richard
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among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not been 
able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what someone 
told me.
If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the battery 
wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and maybe more, 
but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close enough to wanting 
one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the acronym 
at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus far I have 
not done, I would go for the new 6
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but 
it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

[Richard Turner]

The final beta just came out.
There have been issues and with message threading, misspelled words on the 
rotor, and maybe a couple other oddities, so I would not recommend people 
update immediately when it comes out tomorrow.
Also, some settings have been added and changed.  I won’t say more until after 
the release.
Go and read the Applevis.com blog tomorrow to see what they say.
Here is the main blog page link.  Look for a heading with iOS 14 in it probably 
tomorrow mid-day or afternoon to give them time to get it posted.
https://www.applevis.com/blog



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

Hi All,
Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable or have a 
lot of bugs?
Mr. Ed
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Mary Otten]

It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the acronym 
at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus far I have 
not done, I would go for the new 6

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Richard,
>>  
>> Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour 
>> plus video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.
>>  
>> Alan Lemly
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>>  
>> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>>  
>> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
>> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
>> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own 
>> phone, and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers 
>> requires the cellular model.
>> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
>> orderable today.
>> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the 
>> Series 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available 
>> Friday the 18th.
>>  
>> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
>> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>>  
>> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
>> tomorrow, the 16th.
>>  
>> No mention at all about a new phone.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:


Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Re: Question about Text Grabber app

[Richard Turner]

Next to the name of the app, at the top of the screen there is a Get button, 
double tap on it.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Rena  wrote:


I went to this page, I read the description and comments, but I didn’t find any 
link or button to download the app.
What can I do?

Rena



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

Use this link on your iPhone:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/seeing-ai/id999062298



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

Where can I find seeing AI? I went to the upstore and couldn’t find it.

Rena

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

Why not try seeing AI from Microsoft also.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 6:10 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

I am thinking about different items: mail, cans, boxes, etc.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

It is for scanning anything that is in print.
Which is what Text Grabber should do, but Voice Dream Scanner does a better job.
If the cost is an issue,  try Seeing AI, which is free and can do either 
immediate reading of anything in view of the camera, or it has a document 
channel that will scan a page.
Prizmo go is also free and can do a quick scan of a page, etc.

It depends what kind of printed material you are wanting to scan.
Perhaps you could give examples of printed items you want to get access to and 
we could give more specific recommendations.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

What does it do? What does it read?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

No, Voice Dream Scanner is another app, but it's from the same developer as 
Voice Dream Reader.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

I have voice dream reader. Is this the same?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Text Grabber app

I never found text grabber all that useful.
I use Voice Dream Scanner, $5.99.





Richard
"He that cannot forgive 

How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

[Mr. Ed]

Hi All,

Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable or have
a lot of bugs?

Mr. Ed

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RE: Question about Text Grabber app

[Rena]

I went to this page, I read the description and comments, but I didn’t find any 
link or button to download the app.

What can I do?

 

Rena

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

Use this link on your iPhone:

 

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/seeing-ai/id999062298

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

Where can I find seeing AI? I went to the upstore and couldn’t find it.

 

Rena

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

Why not try seeing AI from Microsoft also.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 6:10 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

I am thinking about different items: mail, cans, boxes, etc.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

It is for scanning anything that is in print.

Which is what Text Grabber should do, but Voice Dream Scanner does a better job.

If the cost is an issue,  try Seeing AI, which is free and can do either 
immediate reading of anything in view of the camera, or it has a document 
channel that will scan a page.

Prizmo go is also free and can do a quick scan of a page, etc.

 

It depends what kind of printed material you are wanting to scan.

Perhaps you could give examples of printed items you want to get access to and 
we could give more specific recommendations.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

What does it do? What does it read?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

No, Voice Dream Scanner is another app, but it's from the same developer as 
Voice Dream Reader.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

I have voice dream reader. Is this the same?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Question about Text Grabber app

 

I never found text grabber all that useful. 

I use Voice Dream Scanner, $5.99.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Sep 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Rena mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

I have Text Grabber in my iPhone 6S, but I don’t understand how to use it 
despite I read some descriptions. Would anyone please explain?

 

By the way, thanks for the explanation about EyeNote. It seems magic.

 

Rena

RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Alan Lemly]

Richard,

 

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

 

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.

Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.

Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

 

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.

iPads won’t be available until next month.

 

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

 

No mention at all about a new phone.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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Re: I O S 14

[Shirley Baker]

I got a leather watchband from Amazon and have worn it out. I have the series 3 
watch (cellular).

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> You may be able to find many of the Apple bands cheaper on Amazon.
> That's how I found the nylon band which I absolutely love. Apple sold
> it for $50, and I got it from Amazon for around $10. I'm also going to
> be getting the series 6 watch. The blood oxygen level sensor would
> really help with some of my health issues, along with the other
> features it has.
> 
> Fun stuff,
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/15/20, Priscilla Garces (prisci)  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I watched the apple event, and I thought that the blood oxygen monitor on
>> the Apple Watch is a huge deal because as blind people, we have very limited
>> access to medical devices that are accessible to monitor vital signs, and
>> this is especially essential for those with life-threatening chronic health
>> conditions like heart-disease, diabetes, asthma and even COVID-19.
>> Knowing your blood oxygen level is very useful when fighting covid because
>> you can be breathing and talking just fine, and not even know if your oxygen
>> level is very low until you suddenly crash. Many of the pulse oximeters are
>> inaccessible, or at least, I haven’t heard of talking pulse oximeters. So,
>> if you are alone and fighting covid or some other chronic condition, how are
>> you supposed to manage it if you don’t have the accessible technology
>> without having to break the bank and deal with the insurance companies?
>> The Apple Watch is a cost-effective way to reduce the shopping cart of
>> accessories we used to use every day just to accomplish basic tasks like
>> tracking time, writing, reading, monitoring health  and others.
>> 
>> Also I like the fact that the apple bands can fit a wider variety of sizes
>> without having to adjust any clasps because it is a challenge when wearing
>> bracelets for me. I have very small wrists and often times bracelets fall
>> off my hand, especially the bangles. I cannot really find bangles that fit
>> right at least in adult sizes without some of them going up my arm. I think
>> that the new Apple Watch is the big highlight from the apple event.
>> Last year, I went to try on the apple watches, and some of the bands were to
>> loose on me and there was no way of adjusting them, especially for the
>> leather band with the magnetic clasp. So my options at the time were the
>> sports band that had the adjustable holes, having to adjust the watch to the
>> second last or even the last hole in order to fit properly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A new update to what we have. Looks like.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda 
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda 
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
 On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:16 PM, pattigj1...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
 Is there a new apple tv coming out or just a new update to what we
 already have?
 Patti
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:15 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: RE: I O S 14
 
 They always repost it later the same day or certainly by tomorrow.
 
 
 
 Richard
 "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
 himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
 hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
 granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
 Edward Herbert
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 > On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: RE: I O S 14
 
 I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
 I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.
 
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: I O S 14
 
 You can use the following link from any apple device or with
 MicrosoftEdge on a Windows 10
 computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/
 

Re: I O S 14

[Wayne Merritt]

You may be able to find many of the Apple bands cheaper on Amazon.
That's how I found the nylon band which I absolutely love. Apple sold
it for $50, and I got it from Amazon for around $10. I'm also going to
be getting the series 6 watch. The blood oxygen level sensor would
really help with some of my health issues, along with the other
features it has.

Fun stuff,
Wayne

On 9/15/20, Priscilla Garces (prisci)  wrote:
> Hi,
> I watched the apple event, and I thought that the blood oxygen monitor on
> the Apple Watch is a huge deal because as blind people, we have very limited
> access to medical devices that are accessible to monitor vital signs, and
> this is especially essential for those with life-threatening chronic health
> conditions like heart-disease, diabetes, asthma and even COVID-19.
> Knowing your blood oxygen level is very useful when fighting covid because
> you can be breathing and talking just fine, and not even know if your oxygen
> level is very low until you suddenly crash. Many of the pulse oximeters are
> inaccessible, or at least, I haven’t heard of talking pulse oximeters. So,
> if you are alone and fighting covid or some other chronic condition, how are
> you supposed to manage it if you don’t have the accessible technology
> without having to break the bank and deal with the insurance companies?
> The Apple Watch is a cost-effective way to reduce the shopping cart of
> accessories we used to use every day just to accomplish basic tasks like
> tracking time, writing, reading, monitoring health  and others.
>
> Also I like the fact that the apple bands can fit a wider variety of sizes
> without having to adjust any clasps because it is a challenge when wearing
> bracelets for me. I have very small wrists and often times bracelets fall
> off my hand, especially the bangles. I cannot really find bangles that fit
> right at least in adult sizes without some of them going up my arm. I think
> that the new Apple Watch is the big highlight from the apple event.
> Last year, I went to try on the apple watches, and some of the bands were to
> loose on me and there was no way of adjusting them, especially for the
> leather band with the magnetic clasp. So my options at the time were the
> sports band that had the adjustable holes, having to adjust the watch to the
> second last or even the last hole in order to fit properly.
>
>
>
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>
>> A new update to what we have. Looks like.
>>
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda 
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda 
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:16 PM, pattigj1...@gmail.com
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Is there a new apple tv coming out or just a new update to what we
>>> already have?
>>> Patti
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:15 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: I O S 14
>>>
>>> They always repost it later the same day or certainly by tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>>> Edward Herbert
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:03 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: I O S 14
>>>
>>> I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
>>> I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: I O S 14
>>>
>>> You can use the following link from any apple device or with
>>> MicrosoftEdge on a Windows 10
>>> computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>>> granting grace to 

Re: I O S 14

[Priscilla Garces (prisci)]

Hi,
I watched the apple event, and I thought that the blood oxygen monitor on the 
Apple Watch is a huge deal because as blind people, we have very limited access 
to medical devices that are accessible to monitor vital signs, and this is 
especially essential for those with life-threatening chronic health conditions 
like heart-disease, diabetes, asthma and even COVID-19.
Knowing your blood oxygen level is very useful when fighting covid because you 
can be breathing and talking just fine, and not even know if your oxygen level 
is very low until you suddenly crash. Many of the pulse oximeters are 
inaccessible, or at least, I haven’t heard of talking pulse oximeters. So, if 
you are alone and fighting covid or some other chronic condition, how are you 
supposed to manage it if you don’t have the accessible technology without 
having to break the bank and deal with the insurance companies?
The Apple Watch is a cost-effective way to reduce the shopping cart of 
accessories we used to use every day just to accomplish basic tasks like 
tracking time, writing, reading, monitoring health  and others.

Also I like the fact that the apple bands can fit a wider variety of sizes 
without having to adjust any clasps because it is a challenge when wearing 
bracelets for me. I have very small wrists and often times bracelets fall off 
my hand, especially the bangles. I cannot really find bangles that fit right at 
least in adult sizes without some of them going up my arm. I think that the new 
Apple Watch is the big highlight from the apple event.
Last year, I went to try on the apple watches, and some of the bands were to 
loose on me and there was no way of adjusting them, especially for the leather 
band with the magnetic clasp. So my options at the time were the sports band 
that had the adjustable holes, having to adjust the watch to the second last or 
even the last hole in order to fit properly.



> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> A new update to what we have. Looks like. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda 
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda 
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:16 PM, pattigj1...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Is there a new apple tv coming out or just a new update to what we already 
>> have?
>> Patti
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> > > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: I O S 14
>>  
>> They always repost it later the same day or certainly by tomorrow.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> > > On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:03 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: I O S 14
>>  
>> I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
>> I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> > > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14
>>  
>> You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge 
>> on a Windows 10 computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/ 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>>  
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt > > wrote:
>> 
>> I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
>> the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
>> what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
>> However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
>> totals in those videos. Leo 

Re: I O S 14

[Priscilla Garces (prisci)]

Hi,
You can watch on the Apple TV app.


> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:03 PM, Noe Villeda  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
> I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: I O S 14
>  
> You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on 
> a Windows 10 computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/ 
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt > > wrote:
>> 
>> I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
>> the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
>> what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
>> However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
>> totals in those videos. Leo LePorte and is experts often will describe
>> what is shown for the listener. I heard once they have a counter and
>> can see how many are watching and listening to their stream, and can
>> adjust to offer more or less description based on those numbers.
>> Occasionally, I will go back and watch segments of the event on
>> YouTube later if I want to know what exactly they said. I have used
>> ooTunes to listen to TWIT, but one could also use TuneIn Radio or
>> other radio streaming apps.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> Wayne Merritt
>> 
>> On 9/15/20, Chris Chaffin > > wrote:
>> 
>>> It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate
>>> by heading, it is very easy to find.
>>>  
>>> Chris
>>>  
>>>  
 On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist >>> >
 wrote:
  
 
 Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?
  
  
 Kay Malmquist
 kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  
 "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
 himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
 hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
 granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)"
  
 - Edward Herbert
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Richard Turner
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: 
 Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM
 Subject: Re: I O S 14
  
 Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
 Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,
  
  
  
 Richard
 "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
 himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
 hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
 granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
 Edward Herbert
  
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda  > wrote:
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[B. J. Maynard]

hi,

I've  not got an  iPad but, I've thought about getting one since several people 
say the sound quality is better for consuming audio books, music and other 
things. What isthe difference between an iPad and an iPad air.  If I deside to 
buy one.  

B. J. Maynard
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
  Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced


  The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

   

  Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
the cellular model.

  Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.

  Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.


  New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.

  iPads won’t be available until next month.

   

  All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

   

  No mention at all about a new phone.

   

   

   

   

  Richard

  "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

   


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Re: I O S 14

[Pete Nalda]

A new update to what we have. Looks like. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:16 PM, pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Is there a new apple tv coming out or just a new update to what we already 
> have?
> Patti
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I O S 14
>  
> They always repost it later the same day or certainly by tomorrow.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe 
> Villeda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I O S 14
>  
> I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
> I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14
>  
> You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on 
> a Windows 10 computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
> the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
> what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
> However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
> totals in those videos. Leo LePorte and is experts often will describe
> what is shown for the listener. I heard once they have a counter and
> can see how many are watching and listening to their stream, and can
> adjust to offer more or less description based on those numbers.
> Occasionally, I will go back and watch segments of the event on
> YouTube later if I want to know what exactly they said. I have used
> ooTunes to listen to TWIT, but one could also use TuneIn Radio or
> other radio streaming apps.
> 
> Enjoy,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 9/15/20, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate
> by heading, it is very easy to find.
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist 
> wrote:
>  
> 
> Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?
>  
>  
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>  
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)"
>  
> - Edward Herbert
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: I O S 14
>  
> Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
> Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>  
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda  wrote:
>  
> 
> Hello group,
> Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Mary Otten]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the new lower cost watch has the 
heart stuff either, does it? I know it has the fall notification, but I didn’t 
think it had the heart thing. They also announced the new bundle subscriptions, 
but I found that whole thing disappointing, because you get the arcade service 
in the less expensive bundle. For a blind person, that’s a showstopper in my 
view. It’s too bad. I would have preferred the news instead of the games, or 
something more flexible, where you could have a choice.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>  
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>  
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
>  
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Devin Prater]

With an existing adaptor, or buy one separately. One can use just about any
USB wall adaptor.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 1:17 PM  wrote:

> So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are
> you expected to charge them?
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>
>
>
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>
>
>
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own
> phone, and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers
> requires the cellular model.
>
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th,
> orderable today.
>
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the
> Series 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available
> Friday the 18th.
>
>
>
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
>
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>
>
>
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be
> released tomorrow, the 16th.
>
>
>
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
>
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[richring]

So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
expected to charge them?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

 

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.

Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.

Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

 

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.

iPads won’t be available until next month.

 

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

 

No mention at all about a new phone.

 

 

 

 

Richard

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RE: I O S 14

[Richard Turner]

They always repost it later the same day or certainly by tomorrow.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14


You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on a 
Windows 10 
computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt 
mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
totals in those videos. Leo LePorte and is experts often will describe
what is shown for the listener. I heard once they have a counter and
can see how many are watching and listening to their stream, and can
adjust to offer more or less description based on those numbers.
Occasionally, I will go back and watch segments of the event on
YouTube later if I want to know what exactly they said. I have used
ooTunes to listen to TWIT, but one could also use TuneIn Radio or
other radio streaming apps.

Enjoy,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/15/20, Chris Chaffin 
mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate
by heading, it is very easy to find.

Chris


On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)"

- Edward Herbert

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda 
mailto:noeville...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello group,
Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
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Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today's event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn't need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi... available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.
New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won't be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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RE: I O S 14

[Noe Villeda]

I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?

I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14

 

You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on a 
Windows 10 computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
totals in those videos. Leo LePorte and is experts often will describe
what is shown for the listener. I heard once they have a counter and
can see how many are watching and listening to their stream, and can
adjust to offer more or less description based on those numbers.
Occasionally, I will go back and watch segments of the event on
YouTube later if I want to know what exactly they said. I have used
ooTunes to listen to TWIT, but one could also use TuneIn Radio or
other radio streaming apps.

Enjoy,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/15/20, Chris Chaffin  wrote:



It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate

by heading, it is very easy to find.

 

Chris

 

 

On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist 

wrote:

 



Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?

 

 

Kay Malmquist

kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

 

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass

himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient

hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not

granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)"

 

- Edward Herbert

 

- Original Message -

From: Richard Turner

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM

Subject: Re: I O S 14

 

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.

Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass

himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient

hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not

granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -

Edward Herbert

 

On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda  wrote:

 



Hello group,

Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?

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Apple event - AD

[Peter Logan]

If you are watching on the TV app .. they have audio description .. at least
at the beginning ..

 

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Apple Event has video description

[Richard Turner]

I'm listening on my iPhone SE 2020 and the opening has video description.



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RE:

[llumpkin]

Hi Don. No message here.

 

 

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RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[llumpkin]

Oh, I understand completely. Stay safe.


-Original Message-
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Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Well, it is free.
I have not tried it outdorrs.  We are in the area where the Oregon Fires are 
making the air hazardous to breathe.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Hi Richard. Is this app free or a subscription-based app? Have you gotten it 
and tried it outdoors yet? If so, how does it do? Yes, we've been burned by APh 
a few times ourselves.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

May I respectfully suggest that everyone contact APH directly.  This is not 
uncommon, but irritating for those who paid out the money.
Also, it is very common for APH to not support something for more than a very 
few years.
But, after this note, I will shut up on the topic of APH.
Check out this new app, it is free, and probably takes the best of Nearby 
Explorer and rolls it into this new one...



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Amny, my  understanding from them is that nearby explorer will be free to 
everyone from now on.  So, eventually the paid version will not be updated, 
just the free one.  Not exactly sure when that will take affect.  

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Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Does anyone know if they will keep updating Nearby Explorer?  I have the paid 
version.
Thanks,
Amy

On 9/15/20, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> I did mean Canada too   But  I’m not sure if it is available in Canada
> appstore yet.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Fazil  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> When you say ‘North America’, does it include Canada?
>> Thanks!
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> Under the auspice of American printing House, I don’t think this app 
>> will be available anywhere else except North America anytime soon. It 
>> should be so easy to make it Universally  available though.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not available here in the UK so I don’t know how widely available it 
>> is I suspect not widely at all.
>>
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>
>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Richard Turner 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not 
>> Good Maps or even Good Maps Explore.
>>
>> If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is 
>> supp...@goodmaps.com Their phone is: (502) 845-3113
>>
>> I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my 
>> house in the first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.
>> I sent them that information.
>>
>> You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.
>> You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google 
>> Maps or Apple Maps launched from within the app.
>>
>> For a first release, this looks quite impressive.
>>
>> One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant 
>> that has been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for 
>> the name of the new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the 
>> other one closed and found it easily.
>> So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info 
>> spoken  in the Look Around tab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 

RE: Question about Text Grabber app

[Richard Turner]

Use this link on your iPhone:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/seeing-ai/id999062298



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

Where can I find seeing AI? I went to the upstore and couldn’t find it.

Rena

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

Why not try seeing AI from Microsoft also.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 6:10 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

I am thinking about different items: mail, cans, boxes, etc.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

It is for scanning anything that is in print.
Which is what Text Grabber should do, but Voice Dream Scanner does a better job.
If the cost is an issue,  try Seeing AI, which is free and can do either 
immediate reading of anything in view of the camera, or it has a document 
channel that will scan a page.
Prizmo go is also free and can do a quick scan of a page, etc.

It depends what kind of printed material you are wanting to scan.
Perhaps you could give examples of printed items you want to get access to and 
we could give more specific recommendations.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

What does it do? What does it read?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

No, Voice Dream Scanner is another app, but it's from the same developer as 
Voice Dream Reader.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

I have voice dream reader. Is this the same?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Text Grabber app

I never found text grabber all that useful.
I use Voice Dream Scanner, $5.99.





Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Rena 
mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

I have Text Grabber in my iPhone 6S, but I don’t understand how to use it 
despite I read some descriptions. Would anyone please explain?

By the way, thanks for the explanation about EyeNote. It seems magic.

Rena
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RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[Richard Turner]

Well, it is free.
I have not tried it outdorrs.  We are in the area where the Oregon Fires are 
making the air hazardous to breathe.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Hi Richard. Is this app free or a subscription-based app? Have you gotten it 
and tried it outdoors yet? If so, how does it do? Yes, we've been burned by APh 
a few times ourselves.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

May I respectfully suggest that everyone contact APH directly.  This is not 
uncommon, but irritating for those who paid out the money.
Also, it is very common for APH to not support something for more than a very 
few years.
But, after this note, I will shut up on the topic of APH.
Check out this new app, it is free, and probably takes the best of Nearby 
Explorer and rolls it into this new one...



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Amny, my  understanding from them is that nearby explorer will be free to 
everyone from now on.  So, eventually the paid version will not be updated, 
just the free one.  Not exactly sure when that will take affect.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy 
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Does anyone know if they will keep updating Nearby Explorer?  I have the paid 
version.
Thanks,
Amy

On 9/15/20, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> I did mean Canada too   But  I’m not sure if it is available in Canada
> appstore yet.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Fazil  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> When you say ‘North America’, does it include Canada?
>> Thanks!
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> Under the auspice of American printing House, I don’t think this app 
>> will be available anywhere else except North America anytime soon. It 
>> should be so easy to make it Universally  available though.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not available here in the UK so I don’t know how widely available it 
>> is I suspect not widely at all.
>>
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>
>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Richard Turner 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not 
>> Good Maps or even Good Maps Explore.
>>
>> If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is 
>> supp...@goodmaps.com Their phone is: (502) 845-3113
>>
>> I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my 
>> house in the first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.
>> I sent them that information.
>>
>> You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.
>> You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google 
>> Maps or Apple Maps launched from within the app.
>>
>> For a first release, this looks quite impressive.
>>
>> One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant 
>> that has been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for 
>> the name of the new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the 
>> other one closed and found it easily.
>> So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info 
>> spoken  in the Look Around tab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>>
>> From: 

RE: Question about Text Grabber app

[Rena]

Where can I find seeing AI? I went to the upstore and couldn’t find it.

 

Rena

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

Why not try seeing AI from Microsoft also.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 6:10 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

I am thinking about different items: mail, cans, boxes, etc.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

It is for scanning anything that is in print.

Which is what Text Grabber should do, but Voice Dream Scanner does a better job.

If the cost is an issue,  try Seeing AI, which is free and can do either 
immediate reading of anything in view of the camera, or it has a document 
channel that will scan a page.

Prizmo go is also free and can do a quick scan of a page, etc.

 

It depends what kind of printed material you are wanting to scan.

Perhaps you could give examples of printed items you want to get access to and 
we could give more specific recommendations.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

What does it do? What does it read?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

No, Voice Dream Scanner is another app, but it's from the same developer as 
Voice Dream Reader.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

 

I have voice dream reader. Is this the same?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Question about Text Grabber app

 

I never found text grabber all that useful. 

I use Voice Dream Scanner, $5.99.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Sep 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Rena mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

I have Text Grabber in my iPhone 6S, but I don’t understand how to use it 
despite I read some descriptions. Would anyone please explain?

 

By the way, thanks for the explanation about EyeNote. It seems magic.

 

Rena

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RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[llumpkin]

Hi Richard. Is this app free or a subscription-based app? Have you gotten it 
and tried it outdoors yet? If so, how does it do? Yes, we've been burned by APh 
a few times ourselves.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

May I respectfully suggest that everyone contact APH directly.  This is not 
uncommon, but irritating for those who paid out the money.
Also, it is very common for APH to not support something for more than a very 
few years.
But, after this note, I will shut up on the topic of APH.
Check out this new app, it is free, and probably takes the best of Nearby 
Explorer and rolls it into this new one...



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Amny, my  understanding from them is that nearby explorer will be free to 
everyone from now on.  So, eventually the paid version will not be updated, 
just the free one.  Not exactly sure when that will take affect.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy 
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Does anyone know if they will keep updating Nearby Explorer?  I have the paid 
version.
Thanks,
Amy

On 9/15/20, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> I did mean Canada too   But  I’m not sure if it is available in Canada
> appstore yet.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Fazil  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> When you say ‘North America’, does it include Canada?
>> Thanks!
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> Under the auspice of American printing House, I don’t think this app 
>> will be available anywhere else except North America anytime soon. It 
>> should be so easy to make it Universally  available though.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not available here in the UK so I don’t know how widely available it 
>> is I suspect not widely at all.
>>
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>
>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Richard Turner 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not 
>> Good Maps or even Good Maps Explore.
>>
>> If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is 
>> supp...@goodmaps.com Their phone is: (502) 845-3113
>>
>> I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my 
>> house in the first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.
>> I sent them that information.
>>
>> You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.
>> You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google 
>> Maps or Apple Maps launched from within the app.
>>
>> For a first release, this looks quite impressive.
>>
>> One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant 
>> that has been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for 
>> the name of the new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the 
>> other one closed and found it easily.
>> So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info 
>> spoken  in the Look Around tab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> GoodMaps is proud to announce the release of GoodMaps Explore, an 
>> accessible wayfinding app designed primarily for people who are blind 
>> or visually impaired, which sets a new standard for indoor navigation 
>> across the globe. GoodMaps Explore uses audio instructions to 
>> communicate routing and critical spatial information as users move 
>> through a space, whether indoors or outdoors, drawing upon GoodMaps’ 
>> state-of-the-art digital maps.
>> In doing so, GoodMaps has solved 

Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[Dave Clement]

I believe that the paid version of Near by Explorer is already frozen. The free 
version of the app is called "Near By Explorer Online" and it is being updated 
currently. I do not know what may happen to it given this new app. 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Sep 15, 2020, at 10:12 AM, kitty hevener  wrote:

Amny, my  understanding from them is that nearby explorer will be free to 
everyone from now on.  So, eventually the paid version will not be updated, 
just the free one.  Not exactly sure when that will take affect.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy 
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Does anyone know if they will keep updating Nearby Explorer?  I have the paid 
version.
Thanks,
Amy

> On 9/15/20, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> I did mean Canada too   But  I’m not sure if it is available in Canada
> appstore yet.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Fazil  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> When you say ‘North America’, does it include Canada?
>> Thanks!
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>> 
>> Under the auspice of American printing House, I don’t think this app 
>> will be available anywhere else except North America anytime soon. It 
>> should be so easy to make it Universally  available though.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Not available here in the UK so I don’t know how widely available it 
>> is I suspect not widely at all.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
>> 
>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Richard Turner 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not 
>> Good Maps or even Good Maps Explore.
>> 
>> If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is 
>> supp...@goodmaps.com Their phone is: (502) 845-3113
>> 
>> I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my 
>> house in the first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.
>> I sent them that information.
>> 
>> You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.
>> You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google 
>> Maps or Apple Maps launched from within the app.
>> 
>> For a first release, this looks quite impressive.
>> 
>> One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant 
>> that has been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for 
>> the name of the new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the 
>> other one closed and found it easily.
>> So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info 
>> spoken  in the Look Around tab.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>> 
>> GoodMaps is proud to announce the release of GoodMaps Explore, an 
>> accessible wayfinding app designed primarily for people who are blind 
>> or visually impaired, which sets a new standard for indoor navigation 
>> across the globe. GoodMaps Explore uses audio instructions to 
>> communicate routing and critical spatial information as users move 
>> through a space, whether indoors or outdoors, drawing upon GoodMaps’ 
>> state-of-the-art digital maps.
>> In doing so, GoodMaps has solved four problems that have frustrated 
>> the field for several decades by:
>> 
>> 1. delivering superior positioning accuracy with minimal 
>> infrastructure, 2. dramatically speeding the process to digitally map 
>> a building, which provides the foundation for the app, 3. creating a 
>> way for building owners to securely control their mapping data, 4. 
>> providing the public with a complete package of maps with an app to 
>> actually use them.
>> 
>> 
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/goodmaps-explore/id1524698552
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: audio Stream of NFL Games

[Dave]

sounds like a family reunion!

-Original Message- 
From: Marie

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: audio Stream of NFL Games

Oh yes, and they run up and down the field chasing each other and jumping on
opponents whenever possible! Great fun for sure. LOL!

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From: Simon A Fogarty

Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: audio Stream of NFL Games

What is this game NFL you folks speak of?

Is it some fancy game where people throw things at each other while wearing
pads and helmets?



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fred
Olver
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 7:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: audio Stream of NFL Games

I am using an app called gameday, it provides radio streams for the various
teams.

Fred Olver
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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:22 AM
Subject: audio Stream of NFL Games



hi,

I am wondering what apps people are using to listen to the audio streams
of NFL games. I had renewed my tune in radio pro premium only to find out
they're not carrying audio streams this year. Does anyone have any
suggestions? I am a buffalo bills fan.

Thank you very much.

Lynda

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RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[Richard Turner]

May I respectfully suggest that everyone contact APH directly.  This is not 
uncommon, but irritating for those who paid out the money.
Also, it is very common for APH to not support something for more than a very 
few years.
But, after this note, I will shut up on the topic of APH.
Check out this new app, it is free, and probably takes the best of Nearby 
Explorer and rolls it into this new one...



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Amny, my  understanding from them is that nearby explorer will be free to 
everyone from now on.  So, eventually the paid version will not be updated, 
just the free one.  Not exactly sure when that will take affect.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy 
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Does anyone know if they will keep updating Nearby Explorer?  I have the paid 
version.
Thanks,
Amy

On 9/15/20, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> I did mean Canada too   But  I’m not sure if it is available in Canada
> appstore yet.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Fazil  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> When you say ‘North America’, does it include Canada?
>> Thanks!
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> Under the auspice of American printing House, I don’t think this app 
>> will be available anywhere else except North America anytime soon. It 
>> should be so easy to make it Universally  available though.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not available here in the UK so I don’t know how widely available it 
>> is I suspect not widely at all.
>>
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>
>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Richard Turner 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not 
>> Good Maps or even Good Maps Explore.
>>
>> If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is 
>> supp...@goodmaps.com Their phone is: (502) 845-3113
>>
>> I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my 
>> house in the first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.
>> I sent them that information.
>>
>> You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.
>> You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google 
>> Maps or Apple Maps launched from within the app.
>>
>> For a first release, this looks quite impressive.
>>
>> One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant 
>> that has been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for 
>> the name of the new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the 
>> other one closed and found it easily.
>> So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info 
>> spoken  in the Look Around tab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> GoodMaps is proud to announce the release of GoodMaps Explore, an 
>> accessible wayfinding app designed primarily for people who are blind 
>> or visually impaired, which sets a new standard for indoor navigation 
>> across the globe. GoodMaps Explore uses audio instructions to 
>> communicate routing and critical spatial information as users move 
>> through a space, whether indoors or outdoors, drawing upon GoodMaps’ 
>> state-of-the-art digital maps.
>> In doing so, GoodMaps has solved four problems that have frustrated 
>> the field for several decades by:
>>
>> 1. delivering superior positioning accuracy with minimal 
>> infrastructure, 2. dramatically speeding the process to digitally map 
>> a building, which provides the foundation for the app, 3. creating a 
>> way for building owners to securely control their mapping data, 4.
>> providing the public with a complete package of maps with 

RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[kitty hevener]

Amny, my  understanding from them is that nearby explorer will be free to 
everyone from now on.  So, eventually the paid version will not be updated, 
just the free one.  Not exactly sure when that will take affect.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy 
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Does anyone know if they will keep updating Nearby Explorer?  I have the paid 
version.
Thanks,
Amy

On 9/15/20, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> I did mean Canada too   But  I’m not sure if it is available in Canada
> appstore yet.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Fazil  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> When you say ‘North America’, does it include Canada?
>> Thanks!
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> Under the auspice of American printing House, I don’t think this app 
>> will be available anywhere else except North America anytime soon. It 
>> should be so easy to make it Universally  available though.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not available here in the UK so I don’t know how widely available it 
>> is I suspect not widely at all.
>>
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>
>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Richard Turner 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not 
>> Good Maps or even Good Maps Explore.
>>
>> If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is 
>> supp...@goodmaps.com Their phone is: (502) 845-3113
>>
>> I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my 
>> house in the first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.
>> I sent them that information.
>>
>> You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.
>> You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google 
>> Maps or Apple Maps launched from within the app.
>>
>> For a first release, this looks quite impressive.
>>
>> One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant 
>> that has been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for 
>> the name of the new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the 
>> other one closed and found it easily.
>> So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info 
>> spoken  in the Look Around tab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> GoodMaps is proud to announce the release of GoodMaps Explore, an 
>> accessible wayfinding app designed primarily for people who are blind 
>> or visually impaired, which sets a new standard for indoor navigation 
>> across the globe. GoodMaps Explore uses audio instructions to 
>> communicate routing and critical spatial information as users move 
>> through a space, whether indoors or outdoors, drawing upon GoodMaps’ 
>> state-of-the-art digital maps.
>> In doing so, GoodMaps has solved four problems that have frustrated 
>> the field for several decades by:
>>
>> 1. delivering superior positioning accuracy with minimal 
>> infrastructure, 2. dramatically speeding the process to digitally map 
>> a building, which provides the foundation for the app, 3. creating a 
>> way for building owners to securely control their mapping data, 4. 
>> providing the public with a complete package of maps with an app to 
>> actually use them.
>>
>>
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/goodmaps-explore/id1524698552
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Microphone & The SE2020

[Vicki W.]

Hi,

can someone please tell me exactly where the microphone on the SE2020 is?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Amy,

Like you, I Purchased Nearby Explorer. I was rather surprised and disappointed 
to learn that there was an update they could not be downloaded from the App 
Store. I believe it is a PH is intention to only work on this app. That’s 
unfortunate, because a number of us did buy that product and we can’t even get 
the latest update for it.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Amy 
Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:40:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Does anyone know if they will keep updating Nearby Explorer?  I have
the paid version.
Thanks,
Amy

On 9/15/20, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> I did mean Canada too   But  I’m not sure if it is available in Canada
> appstore yet.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Fazil  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> When you say ‘North America’, does it include Canada?
>> Thanks!
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> Under the auspice of American printing House, I don’t think this app will
>> be available anywhere else except North America anytime soon. It should be
>> so easy to make it Universally  available though.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not available here in the UK so I don’t know how widely available it is I
>> suspect not widely at all.
>>
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>
>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not Good
>> Maps or even Good Maps Explore.
>>
>> If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is
>> supp...@goodmaps.com
>> Their phone is: (502) 845-3113
>>
>> I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my house in
>> the first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.
>> I sent them that information.
>>
>> You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.
>> You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google Maps
>> or Apple Maps launched from within the app.
>>
>> For a first release, this looks quite impressive.
>>
>> One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant that
>> has been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for the name
>> of the new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the other one
>> closed and found it easily.
>> So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info spoken  in
>> the Look Around tab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>> Edward Herbert
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> GoodMaps is proud to announce the release of GoodMaps Explore, an
>> accessible wayfinding app designed primarily for people who are blind or
>> visually impaired, which sets a new standard for indoor navigation across
>> the globe. GoodMaps Explore uses audio instructions to communicate routing
>> and critical spatial information as users move through a space, whether
>> indoors or outdoors, drawing upon GoodMaps’ state-of-the-art digital maps.
>> In doing so, GoodMaps has solved four problems that have frustrated the
>> field for several decades by:
>>
>> 1. delivering superior positioning accuracy with minimal infrastructure,
>> 2. dramatically speeding the process to digitally map a building, which
>> provides the foundation for the app,
>> 3. creating a way for building owners to securely control their mapping
>> data,
>> 4. providing the public with a complete package of maps with an app to
>> actually use them.
>>
>>
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/goodmaps-explore/id1524698552
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[Amy Johnson]

Does anyone know if they will keep updating Nearby Explorer?  I have
the paid version.
Thanks,
Amy

On 9/15/20, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> I did mean Canada too   But  I’m not sure if it is available in Canada
> appstore yet.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Fazil  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> When you say ‘North America’, does it include Canada?
>> Thanks!
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> Under the auspice of American printing House, I don’t think this app will
>> be available anywhere else except North America anytime soon. It should be
>> so easy to make it Universally  available though.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not available here in the UK so I don’t know how widely available it is I
>> suspect not widely at all.
>>
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>
>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not Good
>> Maps or even Good Maps Explore.
>>
>> If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is
>> supp...@goodmaps.com
>> Their phone is: (502) 845-3113
>>
>> I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my house in
>> the first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.
>> I sent them that information.
>>
>> You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.
>> You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google Maps
>> or Apple Maps launched from within the app.
>>
>> For a first release, this looks quite impressive.
>>
>> One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant that
>> has been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for the name
>> of the new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the other one
>> closed and found it easily.
>> So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info spoken  in
>> the Look Around tab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>> Edward Herbert
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> GoodMaps is proud to announce the release of GoodMaps Explore, an
>> accessible wayfinding app designed primarily for people who are blind or
>> visually impaired, which sets a new standard for indoor navigation across
>> the globe. GoodMaps Explore uses audio instructions to communicate routing
>> and critical spatial information as users move through a space, whether
>> indoors or outdoors, drawing upon GoodMaps’ state-of-the-art digital maps.
>> In doing so, GoodMaps has solved four problems that have frustrated the
>> field for several decades by:
>>
>> 1. delivering superior positioning accuracy with minimal infrastructure,
>> 2. dramatically speeding the process to digitally map a building, which
>> provides the foundation for the app,
>> 3. creating a way for building owners to securely control their mapping
>> data,
>> 4. providing the public with a complete package of maps with an app to
>> actually use them.
>>
>>
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/goodmaps-explore/id1524698552
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[TaraPrakash]

I did mean Canada too   But  I’m not sure if it is available in Canada appstore 
yet. 
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> 
> When you say ‘North America’, does it include Canada?
> Thanks!
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> TaraPrakash
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>  
> Under the auspice of American printing House, I don’t think this app will be 
> available anywhere else except North America anytime soon. It should be so 
> easy to make it Universally  available though. 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Not available here in the UK so I don’t know how widely available it is I 
> suspect not widely at all.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
> 
> On 14 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not Good 
> Maps or even Good Maps Explore.
>  
> If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is 
> supp...@goodmaps.com
> Their phone is: (502) 845-3113
>  
> I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my house in the 
> first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.
> I sent them that information.
>  
> You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.
> You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google Maps or 
> Apple Maps launched from within the app.
>  
> For a first release, this looks quite impressive.
>  
> One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant that has 
> been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for the name of the 
> new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the other one closed and 
> found it easily.
> So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info spoken  in 
> the Look Around tab.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> TaraPrakash
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>  
> GoodMaps is proud to announce the release of GoodMaps Explore, an accessible 
> wayfinding app designed primarily for people who are blind or visually 
> impaired, which sets a new standard for indoor navigation across the globe. 
> GoodMaps Explore uses audio instructions to communicate routing and critical 
> spatial information as users move through a space, whether indoors or 
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Air Quality info

[Richard Turner]

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.
IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.
You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
I do not know what information is available in other countries.
Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..
Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.
Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

HTH,

Richard
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Re: I O S 14

[Flor Lynch]

10am PACIFIC; 1pm Eastern; 6pm UK time.

From: llump...@austin.rr.com
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10:00 a.m. which time zone?



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Richard Turner
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Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM. 
Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,





Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert





  On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda  wrote:

  

  Hello group,



  Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?





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Re: I O S 14

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10am Pacific. 1pm Eastern, and 6pm UK.

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10:00 a.m. which time zone?



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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:21 AM
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Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM. 
Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,





Richard

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hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
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  Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?





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RE: I O S 14

[Richard Turner]

Sorry about that, Pacific time, which is where Apple is located and I forget 
that people are in all kinds of time zones on this and other lists and that I 
need to be specific.


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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10:00 a.m. which time zone?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:21 AM
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Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM. Until 
Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Hello group,

Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?


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Re: I O S 14

[Devin Prater]

PST
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM  wrote:

> 10:00 a.m. which time zone?
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:21 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: I O S 14
>
>
>
> Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
> Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hello group,
>
>
>
> Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
>
>
>
>
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