Re: Treadmill app

[Arlene]

That's interesting, Mich.
- Original Message - 
From: "mich verrier" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: Treadmill app


Hey hear in Canada we use km as well for our distince and stuff like that. 
Also I red a few weeks ago the reasons why iffrent places drive on oppsit 
sides of the road and it has to do with knights and they were rideing there 
horses and what sides there sords were on etc. it also has a derect link to 
the places that napolien concerd if you look at a map all of the contries 
that he concerd drive on the left and the others drive on the right. From 
Mich.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Wayland

Sent: June 7, 2021 6:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Treadmill app

Now listen, I am right about this.  You guys are the ones who drive on the 
wrong side of the road, and there is no doubt about that. Smile!


Larry


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Simon A Fogarty

Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 5:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Treadmill app

Larry
NZ converted back in the late 60's before I was born,

And I still use inchs feets miles etc,

But then I use the metric system as well.

And besides,

You guys still drive on the wrong side of the road, That wouldn’t' be an 
easy conversion.


Rotflmao

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Wayland

Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 10:28 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Treadmill app

I don't know what I was thinking there.  Jimmy Carter would not be very 
happy with me for that. lolI wish the U.s. would go ahead and switch over to 
the metric system.  It would not take long for the people to get accustomed 
to itt.

Larry


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Simon A Fogarty

Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Treadmill app

That's from living in a metric nation that still can use empyreal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Wayland

Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 10:20 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Treadmill app

Oops, sorry, my bad you are right.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Simon A Fogarty

Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 5:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Treadmill app

Um,
100 miles per hour is equal to 160 kilometres per hour,

So one mile is approx. 1.6 Km.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Wayland

Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 10:12 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Treadmill app

I don't think that is quite right.  .62 of a mile is one km. so two km is 
1.24 miles.

Larry


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Simon A Fogarty

Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 4:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Treadmill app

That's easy,

1.616 Km is approx. a mile,



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy 
Johnson

Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 7:55 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Treadmill app

Hi, I ordered one from Amazon by the brand surene life and it has buttons 
that you can label and or it has the speed buttons up and down on one handle 
and on and off on the other.  There is also an app you can use to keep up 
with your miles but it is in kilometers.

Hope this helps.
Amy

On 6/7/21, Vicki W.  wrote:

Hi,

I'm looking for a treadmill that can either be used with an accessible
app or touch screen on the treadmill itself, both options would be
great. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: WWDC

[Mary Otten]

I agree, richard. I love the fall feature. It’s huge. Lots and lots of people 
live alone. Actually, what didn’t excite me with all this stuff inside of 
images that they want you to look at. It’s cool. But I surely do wish they 
would fix the mail problems that have gone on fixed for a while. Oh well. 
That’s not glamorous.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Simon,
> I am not aware of Apple forcing anyone to use most of these features.
> The fall detection is a feature now under SOS on the watch that can be 
> disabled or enabled; users choice.
> 
> Granted, you may not need it, but there are people who do and Apple is one of 
> the leading companies in making things for everyone, not just a few, and 
> allowing for personal customization.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
> A Fogarty
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Richard,
> 
> The fall detection for me will be impossible to live with,
> 
> I'm always tripping over someone or something when walking around town.
> 
> As for at home,
> 
> I've got no space to fall over in,
> 
> To much clutter around the place,
> 
> Mind you I spend a lot of time either sitting at my desk or on the couch 
> 
> May e it will see that as fallen.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 7:19 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, bay area people are going to 
> be needing the hearing aid features, the fall risk features, and others I 
> won't bother with here.
> 
> I could not disagree more with your statement.
> 
> Simon, Several of the health features are clearly targeting older adults.  
> You may not be there yet, but those are going to be good features for the 
> vast majority of people using iPhones one day.
> 
> I know someone who was helped greatly by the fall detection as they live 
> alone and the fact that their watch alerted her emergency contacts that she 
> had fallen, was possibly a life saver.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cac59b6995f3d40d5187c08d92accc446%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637587881220840095%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=8lzrWPDTFPLIAZCG7DGBo01YOUA%2F%2Ff61r3wq9AOKcvg%3Dreserved=0
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then 
> again, we must always remember that many of these features are based on the 
> needs of young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based users.  
> 
> This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.  
> 
> As I think back over the years at some of the photos they display regarding 
> their staff, during the presentation, it leaves little doubt about which 
> demographic gets the most attention and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage 
> earners (smile).
> 
> Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).
> 
> Mark 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and currently at the health 
> features update.
> 
> From what I've heard so far,
> 
> I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.
> 
> Some of these new to come features  sound pretty far out there, To the point 
> I think, as cool as that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the 
> point, do we need it?
> 
> Are we starting to get lazy 
> 
> It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do everything for me except make my 
> coffee in the morning, and sleep for me at night.
> Or should that be the other way around,
> 
> Don't get me wrong,
> This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, But really, do I need to know 
> when I'm going to fall over?
> 
> But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a lot of these features because 
> our systems aren't up to stratch 
> 
> Like my medical test requests / results, I don't believe we have the 
> inferstructure in our medical systems to get this without jumping through 
> rings of fire!
> 
> But still.
> 
> Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristobal Muñoz
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 

RE: WWDC

[Richard Turner]

Nothing about Glucose detection, but since that will need to be a hardware 
change, unless someone figures out how to detect glucose levels the same way 
they do oxygen; you will have to wait until the fall reveal of the new phones, 
and possibly watches.

I think if Apple can pull that off, it would be great!  I am fortunate and 
don't have issues with blood glucose, but I know lots of folks who have.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Was anything said about glucose detection?
At 05:47 PM 6/8/2021, you wrote:
>Simon,
>I am not aware of Apple forcing anyone to use most of these features.
>The fall detection is a feature now under SOS on the watch that can be 
>disabled or enabled; users choice.
>
>Granted, you may not need it, but there are people who do and Apple is 
>one of the leading companies in making things for everyone, not just a 
>few, and allowing for personal customization.
>
>
>
>Richard
>Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>Web site: 
>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce4df2334d5ab487f6bbb08d92ad11f45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637587899922935391%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=k190ylSPWGLK%2FaRPtdxrE0xmA3R%2Ff0dpUuMS5pPM81s%3Dreserved=0
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:29 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: WWDC
>
>Richard,
>
>The fall detection for me will be impossible to live with,
>
>I'm always tripping over someone or something when walking around town.
>
>As for at home,
>
>I've got no space to fall over in,
>
>To much clutter around the place,
>
>Mind you I spend a lot of time either sitting at my desk or on the couch
>
>May e it will see that as fallen.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 7:19 am
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: WWDC
>
>Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, 
>bay area people are going to be needing the 
>hearing aid features, the fall risk features, 
>and others I won't bother with here.
>
>I could not disagree more with your statement.
>
>Simon, Several of the health features are 
>clearly targeting older adults.  You may not be 
>there yet, but those are going to be good 
>features for the vast majority of people using iPhones one day.
>
>I know someone who was helped greatly by the 
>fall detection as they live alone and the fact 
>that their watch alerted her emergency contacts 
>that she had fallen, was possibly a life saver.
>
>
>
>
>
>Richard
>Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>Web site: 
>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce4df2334d5ab487f6bbb08d92ad11f45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637587899922935391%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=k190ylSPWGLK%2FaRPtdxrE0xmA3R%2Ff0dpUuMS5pPM81s%3Dreserved=0
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: WWDC
>
>Hello Simon,
>
>I share your sentiment especially regarding the 
>new Focus feature.  Then again, we must always 
>remember that many of these features are based 
>on the needs of young, rich, highly active San 
>Francisco Bay area based users.
>
>This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.
>
>As I think back over the years at some of the 
>photos they display regarding their staff, 
>during the presentation, it leaves little doubt 
>about which demographic gets the most attention 
>and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage earners (smile).
>
>Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).
>
>Mark
>
>
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: WWDC
>
>Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and 
>currently at the health features update.
>
> From what I've heard so far,
>
>I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.
>
>Some of these new to come features  sound pretty 
>far out there, To the point I think, as cool as 
>that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the point, do we need it?
>
>Are we starting to get lazy
>
>It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do 
>everything for me except make my coffee in the 
>morning, and sleep for me at night.
>Or should that be the other way around,
>
>Don't get me wrong,
>This stuff sounds 

RE: WWDC

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi ann,

That was something I 
 Kept an ear out for,

There was only a mention within the health app, but then I think we're really 
waiting to hear what happens with the next watch which is rumoured to have 
blood glucose testing abilities built in.


But again it's rumoured and until it's really out we wont know what's included.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 11:00 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Was anything said about glucose detection?
At 05:47 PM 6/8/2021, you wrote:
>Simon,
>I am not aware of Apple forcing anyone to use most of these features.
>The fall detection is a feature now under SOS on the watch that can be 
>disabled or enabled; users choice.
>
>Granted, you may not need it, but there are people who do and Apple is 
>one of the leading companies in making things for everyone, not just a 
>few, and allowing for personal customization.
>
>
>
>Richard
>Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>Web site: www.turner42.com
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:29 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: WWDC
>
>Richard,
>
>The fall detection for me will be impossible to live with,
>
>I'm always tripping over someone or something when walking around town.
>
>As for at home,
>
>I've got no space to fall over in,
>
>To much clutter around the place,
>
>Mind you I spend a lot of time either sitting at my desk or on the couch
>
>May e it will see that as fallen.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 7:19 am
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: WWDC
>
>Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, 
>bay area people are going to be needing the 
>hearing aid features, the fall risk features, 
>and others I won't bother with here.
>
>I could not disagree more with your statement.
>
>Simon, Several of the health features are 
>clearly targeting older adults.  You may not be 
>there yet, but those are going to be good 
>features for the vast majority of people using iPhones one day.
>
>I know someone who was helped greatly by the 
>fall detection as they live alone and the fact 
>that their watch alerted her emergency contacts 
>that she had fallen, was possibly a life saver.
>
>
>
>
>
>Richard
>Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>Web site: 
>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cac59b6995f3d40d5187c08d92accc446%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637587881220840095%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=8lzrWPDTFPLIAZCG7DGBo01YOUA%2F%2Ff61r3wq9AOKcvg%3Dreserved=0
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: WWDC
>
>Hello Simon,
>
>I share your sentiment especially regarding the 
>new Focus feature.  Then again, we must always 
>remember that many of these features are based 
>on the needs of young, rich, highly active San 
>Francisco Bay area based users.
>
>This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.
>
>As I think back over the years at some of the 
>photos they display regarding their staff, 
>during the presentation, it leaves little doubt 
>about which demographic gets the most attention 
>and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage earners (smile).
>
>Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).
>
>Mark
>
>
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: WWDC
>
>Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and 
>currently at the health features update.
>
> From what I've heard so far,
>
>I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.
>
>Some of these new to come features  sound pretty 
>far out there, To the point I think, as cool as 
>that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the point, do we need it?
>
>Are we starting to get lazy
>
>It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do 
>everything for me except make my coffee in the 
>morning, and sleep for me at night.
>Or should that be the other way around,
>
>Don't get me wrong,
>This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, 
>But really, do I need to know when I'm going to fall over?
>
>But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a 
>lot of these features because our systems aren't up to stratch
>
>Like my medical test requests / results, I don't 
>believe we have the inferstructure in our 
>medical systems to get this without jumping through rings of fire!
>
>But still.
>
>Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.
>
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Cristobal 

RE: WWDC

[Ann Byrne]

Was anything said about glucose detection?
At 05:47 PM 6/8/2021, you wrote:

Simon,
I am not aware of Apple forcing anyone to use most of these features.
The fall detection is a feature now under SOS on 
the watch that can be disabled or enabled; users choice.


Granted, you may not need it, but there are 
people who do and Apple is one of the leading 
companies in making things for everyone, not 
just a few, and allowing for personal customization.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty

Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Richard,

The fall detection for me will be impossible to live with,

I'm always tripping over someone or something when walking around town.

As for at home,

I've got no space to fall over in,

To much clutter around the place,

Mind you I spend a lot of time either sitting at my desk or on the couch

May e it will see that as fallen.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Richard Turner

Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 7:19 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, 
bay area people are going to be needing the 
hearing aid features, the fall risk features, 
and others I won't bother with here.


I could not disagree more with your statement.

Simon, Several of the health features are 
clearly targeting older adults.  You may not be 
there yet, but those are going to be good 
features for the vast majority of people using iPhones one day.


I know someone who was helped greatly by the 
fall detection as they live alone and the fact 
that their watch alerted her emergency contacts 
that she had fallen, was possibly a life saver.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cac59b6995f3d40d5187c08d92accc446%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637587881220840095%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=8lzrWPDTFPLIAZCG7DGBo01YOUA%2F%2Ff61r3wq9AOKcvg%3Dreserved=0




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M. Taylor

Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hello Simon,

I share your sentiment especially regarding the 
new Focus feature.  Then again, we must always 
remember that many of these features are based 
on the needs of young, rich, highly active San 
Francisco Bay area based users.


This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.

As I think back over the years at some of the 
photos they display regarding their staff, 
during the presentation, it leaves little doubt 
about which demographic gets the most attention 
and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage earners (smile).


Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty

Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and 
currently at the health features update.


From what I've heard so far,

I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.

Some of these new to come features  sound pretty 
far out there, To the point I think, as cool as 
that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the point, do we need it?


Are we starting to get lazy

It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do 
everything for me except make my coffee in the 
morning, and sleep for me at night.

Or should that be the other way around,

Don't get me wrong,
This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, 
But really, do I need to know when I'm going to fall over?


But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a 
lot of these features because our systems aren't up to stratch


Like my medical test requests / results, I don't 
believe we have the inferstructure in our 
medical systems to get this without jumping through rings of fire!


But still.

Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Cristobal Muñoz

Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Shhh. Don't jinx it.
The one thing I'm actually looking forward to is 
the SharePlay feature. Especially since a lot of 
the big streaming services appear to be onboard. 
Not that my sighted wife or family/friends for 
that matter would ever say anything or complain, 
but hopefully with SharePlay, it'll be a lot 
more convenient to watch and enjoy something 
with others for those of us who need or want the 
audio described track by simply slipping on a pare of headphones.
It's been something I've always written to Apple 
Accessibility 

RE: WWDC

[Richard Turner]

Simon,
I am not aware of Apple forcing anyone to use most of these features.
The fall detection is a feature now under SOS on the watch that can be disabled 
or enabled; users choice.

Granted, you may not need it, but there are people who do and Apple is one of 
the leading companies in making things for everyone, not just a few, and 
allowing for personal customization.



Richard
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Web site: www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Richard,

The fall detection for me will be impossible to live with,

I'm always tripping over someone or something when walking around town.

As for at home,

I've got no space to fall over in,

To much clutter around the place,

Mind you I spend a lot of time either sitting at my desk or on the couch 

May e it will see that as fallen.

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Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 7:19 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, bay area people are going to 
be needing the hearing aid features, the fall risk features, and others I won't 
bother with here.

I could not disagree more with your statement.

Simon, Several of the health features are clearly targeting older adults.  You 
may not be there yet, but those are going to be good features for the vast 
majority of people using iPhones one day.

I know someone who was helped greatly by the fall detection as they live alone 
and the fact that their watch alerted her emergency contacts that she had 
fallen, was possibly a life saver.





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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hello Simon,

I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then again, 
we must always remember that many of these features are based on the needs of 
young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based users.  

This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.  

As I think back over the years at some of the photos they display regarding 
their staff, during the presentation, it leaves little doubt about which 
demographic gets the most attention and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage 
earners (smile).

Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).

Mark 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and currently at the health 
features update.

>From what I've heard so far,

I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.

Some of these new to come features  sound pretty far out there, To the point I 
think, as cool as that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the point, 
do we need it?

Are we starting to get lazy 

It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do everything for me except make my coffee 
in the morning, and sleep for me at night.
Or should that be the other way around,

Don't get me wrong,
This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, But really, do I need to know 
when I'm going to fall over?

But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a lot of these features because 
our systems aren't up to stratch 

Like my medical test requests / results, I don't believe we have the 
inferstructure in our medical systems to get this without jumping through rings 
of fire!

But still.

Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Shhh. Don't jinx it.
The one thing I'm actually looking forward to is the SharePlay feature. 
Especially since a lot of the big streaming services appear to be onboard. Not 
that my sighted wife or family/friends for that matter would ever say anything 
or complain, but hopefully with SharePlay, it'll be a lot more convenient to 
watch and enjoy something with others for those of us who need or want the 
audio described track by simply slipping on a pare of headphones.
It's been something I've always written to Apple Accessibility and feedback 
about with every major iOS release since I don't know when. 

From: 

RE: iPhone 12 Pro Max Unboxing Warning

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yet,
I got a 2020 SE and mine did come with a charging brick.

I must have just got it before the change happened last year.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 3:21 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 12 Pro Max Unboxing Warning

My SE2020 didn't come with a charger either.  The first one in my time of 
owning iPhones.


Maria Campbell
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All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 6/7/2021 7:00 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
> The stock package for an iPhone 12 Pro Max comes with a charging 
> cable, but no charger. This is the first phone I've had, starting with 
> the venerable 4S, where no little charger cube was hiding ina nook or 
> cranny in the main iPhone box. What you do get is a charging cable, 
> and thereby hangs another tale, because you need to know that the end 
> that's supposed to go into your little charging cube wall wart that 
> you don't get, that connector is not USB-A--it's USB-C. So if you 
> don't have any USB-C charger wall warts in the house, you're going to 
> be kiind-of stuck until you either get one or buy the accessory kit 
> from your phone store or provider that contains a case and the new 
> wireless MagSafe charging square. I got lucky--I didn't foresee this 
> problem, but I did want the wireless charging option plus the case 
> plus the screen protection.
>
>
> Oh yeah, no earbuds either.
>
>
> The above aside, they've done a clever thing regarding installing the 
> tempered glass screen protector--you now get a plastic form that 
> neatly fits over the iPhone itself. What you do with it is, you turn 
> it upside down and lay it on a flat surface, oritent yourself with the 
> tempered-glass screen protector so you know which is the end with a 
> notch cut out of it--that's the earpiece end, take it out of its 
> wrapping and sheathing, and lay it very gently adhesive side up in the 
> plastic form. Then, orient the phone itself in the same way as the 
> screen protector, remove its packaging covering, and lay it down into 
> the form on top of the adhesive backing of the screen protector. By 
> doing this, the screen protector is absolutely assured of being in 
> perfect position on the front side of the phone, and you don't get any 
> fingerprints anywhere. The slightest bit of oil from your fingers on 
> the front side will diminish the ability of the screen protector's 
> adhesive side to stick to the phone's glass face, and this new way of 
> applying these rigid-glass protectors seems to be a great thing, 
> especially for blind people. I wish I'd've had this for the XS Max 
> last year. If I did, I probably wouldn't have put it on ever so 
> slightly crooked, and it might not have come off about five months 
> later, also probably due to my having touched the screen and polluting 
> the surface with my body fluids (LOL) to orient it when putting it on.
>

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RE: iPhone 12 Pro Max Unboxing Warning

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah I agree,

I've got 2 20watt adapters with Usb-c but otherwise god knows how many usb-a 
bricks and a wifi charger,

I don't think lifes going to end because they didn't put a charging brick in 
the box for my next phone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 4:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 12 Pro Max Unboxing Warning

I think it's great that Apple started this and now others are following. A lot 
of people buy a new smart phone every year on whatever upgrade plan they are 
on, others keep their's for 2 or 3 years and some even for 4 or 5, but the fact 
is that a wall charger lasts for much longer than that so why add thousands of 
tons of plastic and other components when it's not necessary. And if you don't 
think it's that much, just do the math. Each year hundreds of millions phones 
are sold, maybe even a Billion. If the wall adapter weighs an ounce, 25 or 30 
grams and if there are a Billion a year that is 250 metric tons of plastic in 
one year alone. Add all the other devices like headphones, speakers and so on 
and it's a multiple of that. Most such devices already don't include wall plugs 
any more so why should a phone. Nowadays you can get wall outlets which in 
addition to your 2 regular sockets include 2 or so USB ports, get one of these 
in a few places in your house and you rarely ever would need an external wall 
adapter any more. As far as I am concerned Apple can stop selling a cable with 
the iPhone as well, I have a collection of them from previous phone purchases 
and other third party ones because I often find I want a longer cable than the 
3-foot one provided and then of course there is the fact that I rarely ever use 
a cable any more since I bought a few wireless charging pads several years ago 
when I got my iPhone 8 which supported wireless charging and I much prefer that 
over having to plug it in.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 12 Pro Max Unboxing Warning

My SE2020 didn't come with a charger either.  The first one in my time of 
owning iPhones.


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On 6/7/2021 7:00 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
> The stock package for an iPhone 12 Pro Max comes with a charging 
> cable, but no charger. This is the first phone I've had, starting with 
> the venerable 4S, where no little charger cube was hiding ina nook or 
> cranny in the main iPhone box. What you do get is a charging cable, 
> and thereby hangs another tale, because you need to know that the end 
> that's supposed to go into your little charging cube wall wart that 
> you don't get, that connector is not USB-A--it's USB-C. So if you 
> don't have any USB-C charger wall warts in the house, you're going to 
> be kiind-of stuck until you either get one or buy the accessory kit 
> from your phone store or provider that contains a case and the new 
> wireless MagSafe charging square. I got lucky--I didn't foresee this 
> problem, but I did want the wireless charging option plus the case 
> plus the screen protection.
>
>
> Oh yeah, no earbuds either.
>
>
> The above aside, they've done a clever thing regarding installing the 
> tempered glass screen protector--you now get a plastic form that 
> neatly fits over the iPhone itself. What you do with it is, you turn 
> it upside down and lay it on a flat surface, oritent yourself with the 
> tempered-glass screen protector so you know which is the end with a 
> notch cut out of it--that's the earpiece end, take it out of its 
> wrapping and sheathing, and lay it very gently adhesive side up in the 
> plastic form. Then, orient the phone itself in the same way as the 
> screen protector, remove its packaging covering, and lay it down into 
> the form on top of the adhesive backing of the screen protector. By 
> doing this, the screen protector is absolutely assured of being in 
> perfect position on the front side of the phone, and you don't get any 
> fingerprints anywhere. The slightest bit of oil from your fingers on 
> the front side will diminish the ability of the screen protector's 
> adhesive side to stick to the phone's glass face, and this new way of 
> applying these rigid-glass protectors seems to be a great thing, 
> especially for blind people. I wish I'd've had this for the XS Max 
> last year. If I did, I probably wouldn't have put it on ever so 
> slightly crooked, and it might not have come off about five months 
> later, also probably due to my having touched the screen and polluting 
> the surface with my body fluids (LOL) to orient it when putting it on.
>

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RE: WWDC

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yes mark,

I did think of the swift coding features as well,

Infact I picked up my ipad lastnight to have a look at playgrounds again 
And then got bored so put it down.

But I do like the idea of trying to code in swift again.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 7:01 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hello Sieghard, et al:  

Speaking only for myself, I was somewhat underwhelmed by the presentation.  

Perhaps I’m just getting older but I am finding it more difficult to be wowed 
by technology, these days.  Perhaps I have started taking, for granted, all of 
those things that were not either available or accessible to us, as blind or 
low vision users, 20 years ago.  

Be that as it may, I think it is kind of nice that one can now share media via 
FaceTime.  

However, what I was hoping to see was a way to save and file messages, in the 
Messages app, for later retrieval.  For example, I would like to be able to 
create a folder, in the Messages app, called Happy Birthday, in which I could 
save all of those very special messages from people who send me birthday 
wishes.  

I think what I found most exciting is the new feature that will allow one to 
both learn how to code and submit apps to the App Store via Swift Playground, 
on iPad.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 7:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WWDC

I am really surprised to come home tonight and to find virtually nothing about 
today's WWDC keynote. I guess the good old days are over when the Viphone list 
had 200 messages on a day when Apple delivered a keynote.

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RE: WWDC

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi mark,

Good points,

At least in the USA your providers give you good deals on phone costs 

Here in NZ, 
We have to take out a small mortgage to buy the higher end phones.

Still the target audience fits here as well,

And yes from my visualisation of the presenters in the keynote presentation 
Young to early 40s give or take,
What I call pretty people,
No skin blemishs  or cuts and scrapes,

Unlike me who always has some skin missing off hands or face.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 7:11 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hello Simon,

I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then again, 
we must always remember that many of these features are based on the needs of 
young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based users.  

This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.  

As I think back over the years at some of the photos they display regarding 
their staff, during the presentation, it leaves little doubt about which 
demographic gets the most attention and it ain’t low-paid blue-collar wage 
earners (smile).

Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).

Mark 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hell, I’m listening to the presentation now and currently at the health 
features update.

>From what I’ve heard so far,

I’m kind of thinking I’m getting in above and beyond my requirements level.

Some of these new to come features  sound pretty far out there, To the point I 
think, as cool as that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the point, 
do we need it?

Are we starting to get lazy 

It’s almost like the IOS 15 OS will do everything for me except make my coffee 
in the morning, and sleep for me at night.
Or should that be the other way around,

Don’t get me wrong,
This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, But really, do I need to know 
when I’m going to fall over?

But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a lot of these features because 
our systems aren’t up to stratch 

Like my medical test requests / results, I don’t believe we have the 
inferstructure in our medical systems to get this without jumping through rings 
of fire!

But still.

Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Shhh… Don’t jinx it.
The one thing I’m actually looking forward to is the SharePlay feature. 
Especially since a lot of the big streaming services appear to be onboard. Not 
that my sighted wife or family/friends for that matter would ever say anything 
or complain, but hopefully with SharePlay, it’ll be a lot more convenient to 
watch and enjoy something with others for those of us who need or want the 
audio described track by simply slipping on a pare of headphones.
It’s been something I’ve always written to Apple Accessibility and feedback 
about with every major iOS release since I don’t know when. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 7:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WWDC

I am really surprised to come home tonight and to find virtually nothing about 
today's WWDC keynote. I guess the good old days are over when the Viphone list 
had 200 messages on a day when Apple delivered a keynote.

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RE: WWDC

[Simon A Fogarty]

Richard,

The fall detection for me will be impossible to live with,

I'm always tripping over someone or something when walking around town.

As for at home,

I've got no space to fall over in,

To much clutter around the place,

Mind you I spend a lot of time either sitting at my desk or on the couch 

May e it will see that as fallen.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 7:19 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, bay area people are going to 
be needing the hearing aid features, the fall risk features, and others I won't 
bother with here.

I could not disagree more with your statement.

Simon, Several of the health features are clearly targeting older adults.  You 
may not be there yet, but those are going to be good features for the vast 
majority of people using iPhones one day.

I know someone who was helped greatly by the fall detection as they live alone 
and the fact that their watch alerted her emergency contacts that she had 
fallen, was possibly a life saver.





Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hello Simon,

I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then again, 
we must always remember that many of these features are based on the needs of 
young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based users.  

This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.  

As I think back over the years at some of the photos they display regarding 
their staff, during the presentation, it leaves little doubt about which 
demographic gets the most attention and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage 
earners (smile).

Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).

Mark 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and currently at the health 
features update.

>From what I've heard so far,

I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.

Some of these new to come features  sound pretty far out there, To the point I 
think, as cool as that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the point, 
do we need it?

Are we starting to get lazy 

It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do everything for me except make my coffee 
in the morning, and sleep for me at night.
Or should that be the other way around,

Don't get me wrong,
This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, But really, do I need to know 
when I'm going to fall over?

But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a lot of these features because 
our systems aren't up to stratch 

Like my medical test requests / results, I don't believe we have the 
inferstructure in our medical systems to get this without jumping through rings 
of fire!

But still.

Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Shhh. Don't jinx it.
The one thing I'm actually looking forward to is the SharePlay feature. 
Especially since a lot of the big streaming services appear to be onboard. Not 
that my sighted wife or family/friends for that matter would ever say anything 
or complain, but hopefully with SharePlay, it'll be a lot more convenient to 
watch and enjoy something with others for those of us who need or want the 
audio described track by simply slipping on a pare of headphones.
It's been something I've always written to Apple Accessibility and feedback 
about with every major iOS release since I don't know when. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 7:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WWDC

I am really surprised to come home tonight and to find virtually nothing about 
today's WWDC keynote. I guess the good old days are over when the Viphone list 
had 200 messages on a day when Apple delivered a keynote.

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Re: Texas man fired for selling school-owned iPads in the Apple Crime Blotter and Other Headlines, Apple Insider News

[Esther Levegnale]

Hey, Anne!

I totally agree with you.  

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Jun 7, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Anne West  wrote:
> 
> I'm with you Carolyn. But I wonder why there is so much crime relating to 
> Apple and not Android. Maybe it's because nothing is said about Android 
> crimes. And why so much shooting everywhere? It's so sad.
> 
> Anne
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 10:39
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Texas man fired for selling school-owned iPads in the Apple 
> Crime Blotter and Other Headlines, Apple Insider News
> 
> I am not at all worried. I would hope that the police or any other law 
> enforcement could trace mine if they needed to. I have nothing to fear from 
> law enforcement, but would depend on them, if I needed them. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 5:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Texas man fired for selling school-owned iPads in the Apple 
> Crime Blotter and Other Headlines, Apple Insider News
> 
> Guess that's something we wont know,
> 
> But I'd expect that the victim accessed the information and passed it on to 
> the police,
> 
> I didn't think apple gave access to even the USA's FBI when it comes to 
> security or personal information of a customer.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
> English
> Sent: Monday, 7 June 2021 4:33 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Texas man fired for selling school-owned iPads in the Apple 
> Crime Blotter and Other Headlines, Apple Insider News
> 
> Is this saying that the police were able to access find my iPhone data, or 
> that the victim used it and told the police? The first one is a little 
> worrying from a privacy standpoint.
> 
>> On 6/7/21, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> This sounds very much like apple should be getting paid by UsA law 
>> enforcement for doing half the job for them.
>> 
>> Great work for both apple and product users using find my on their devices.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Monday, 7 June 2021 2:08 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Texas man fired for selling school-owned iPads in the Apple 
>> Crime Blotter and Other Headlines, Apple Insider News
>> 
>> Texas man fired for selling school-owned iPads in the Apple Crime 
>> Blotter By Stephen Silver:  June 06, 2021
>> 
>> Shots fired near a Pittsburgh Apple Store, Find My iPhone solves 
>> Akon's car theft, and several iPhones were seized from a Capitol riot 
>> defendant.
>> The latest in an occasional AppleInsider series, looking at the world 
>> of Apple-related crime.
>> 
>> A Texas man has been fired from his job as the chief of technology and 
>> innovation for a local school district after he was caught selling 
>> district-owned iPads.
>> According to News 4 San Antonio, the official was caught when a local 
>> family answered a Facebook Marketplace ad and purchased multiple iPads 
>> from him in a transaction that entailed meeting him in a parking lot.
>> Once the family's mother realized the iPads were "a type marketed to 
>> schools," she searched the man's name and discovered he worked for the 
>> school district.
>> She notified the TV station, which discovered a video of a school 
>> board meeting in which the same man had recommended that the district 
>> spend
>> $483,000 on iPads and other equipment.
>> 
>> Police used Find My iPhone to recover Akon's car The singer and record 
>> producer Akon had his SUV stolen while pumping gas at an Atlanta gas 
>> station in late May. But the car was later tracked down, thanks to Find My 
>> iPhone.
>> Fox 5 reports police later recovered the automobile in Forest Park, 
>> about 20 miles away.
>> This is far from the first Apple-related theft involving a famous 
>> person in Atlanta. Atlanta Falcons player Hayden Hurst had his 
>> team-issued iPad and Beats headphones taken after a game in October of 
>> 2020, while Josh Brolin's iPad was stolen from his car in November.
>> The latter theft, like the Akon incident, took place in the Buckhead 
>> neighborhood.
>> 
>> iPhones, MacBook and Nazi items seized from "Camp Auschwitz" Capitol 
>> riot defendant One of the more notorious defendants from the January 6 U.S.
>> Capitol riot had a MacBook and several iPhones seized from his 
>> possession, as well as weapons and Nazi memorabilia.
>> According to a search warrant obtained and posted to Twitter by 
>> extremism researcher Seamus Hughes, the man, who was photographed 
>> inside the Capitol wearing a "Camp Auschwitz" hoodie, had at least 
>> four iPhones taken from his residence by the FBI, in addition to a MacBook 
>> and numerous accessories.
>> Other items referenced in the warrant 

RE: WWDC

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Anna,

Yes I agree but some of the features I do wonder if they're not just a bit over 
the top,

However we shouldn't knoc the apple world,

At least they are making devices / os's fully accessible to those of us with 
the adaptive needs.

I'm waiting really though for the next phone to see what new developments it's 
going to bring with IOS15.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2021 8:00 am
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: WWDC

Hi,

I think the focus features will be great for anyone who is easily distracted, 
including people with ADD and similar issues. I think it's great that they are 
making it possible for people with more and more different kinds of needs to 
use these devices. The great thing is that you can use the features you need 
and ignore the rest.

Cheers,
Anna


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, bay area people are going to 
> be needing the hearing aid features, the fall risk features, and others I 
> won't bother with here.
> 
> I could not disagree more with your statement.
> 
> Simon, Several of the health features are clearly targeting older adults.  
> You may not be there yet, but those are going to be good features for the 
> vast majority of people using iPhones one day.
> 
> I know someone who was helped greatly by the fall detection as they live 
> alone and the fact that their watch alerted her emergency contacts that she 
> had fallen, was possibly a life saver.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then 
> again, we must always remember that many of these features are based on the 
> needs of young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based users.  
> 
> This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.  
> 
> As I think back over the years at some of the photos they display regarding 
> their staff, during the presentation, it leaves little doubt about which 
> demographic gets the most attention and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage 
> earners (smile).
> 
> Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).
> 
> Mark 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and currently at the health 
> features update.
> 
> From what I've heard so far,
> 
> I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.
> 
> Some of these new to come features  sound pretty far out there, To the point 
> I think, as cool as that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the 
> point, do we need it?
> 
> Are we starting to get lazy 
> 
> It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do everything for me except make my 
> coffee in the morning, and sleep for me at night.
> Or should that be the other way around,
> 
> Don't get me wrong,
> This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, But really, do I need to know 
> when I'm going to fall over?
> 
> But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a lot of these features because 
> our systems aren't up to stratch 
> 
> Like my medical test requests / results, I don't believe we have the 
> inferstructure in our medical systems to get this without jumping through 
> rings of fire!
> 
> But still.
> 
> Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristobal Muñoz
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Shhh. Don't jinx it.
> The one thing I'm actually looking forward to is the SharePlay feature. 
> Especially since a lot of the big streaming services appear to be onboard. 
> Not that my sighted wife or family/friends for that matter would ever say 
> anything or complain, but hopefully with SharePlay, it'll be a lot more 
> convenient to watch and enjoy something with others for those of us who need 
> or want the audio described track by simply slipping on a pare of headphones.
> It's been something I've always written to Apple Accessibility and feedback 
> about with every major iOS release since I don't know when. 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 7:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: WWDC
> 
> I am really surprised to come home tonight and to find virtually nothing 
> about today's WWDC keynote. I guess the good old days are over when the 
> Viphone list had 200 messages on a day when Apple delivered a keynote.
> 
> 

Re: WWDC

[Malcolm Parfitt]

I agree with you mark, you and Anna are two of our most knowledgable members 
yet two of the least judgemental!

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 8 Jun 2021, at 21:25, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> As always, well said, Anna.
> 
> Mark
> PS
> I am eager to see what features the next iPhone will bring to the technology 
> table.  I am keeping my fingers crossed for some kind of fingerprint sensor.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anna Dresner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2021 1:00 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: WWDC
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think the focus features will be great for anyone who is easily distracted, 
> including people with ADD and similar issues. I think it's great that they 
> are making it possible for people with more and more different kinds of needs 
> to use these devices. The great thing is that you can use the features you 
> need and ignore the rest.
> 
> Cheers,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, bay area people are going 
>> to be needing the hearing aid features, the fall risk features, and others I 
>> won't bother with here.
>> 
>> I could not disagree more with your statement.
>> 
>> Simon, Several of the health features are clearly targeting older adults.  
>> You may not be there yet, but those are going to be good features for the 
>> vast majority of people using iPhones one day.
>> 
>> I know someone who was helped greatly by the fall detection as they live 
>> alone and the fact that their watch alerted her emergency contacts that she 
>> had fallen, was possibly a life saver.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>> 
>> Web site: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: WWDC
>> 
>> Hello Simon,
>> 
>> I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then 
>> again, we must always remember that many of these features are based on the 
>> needs of young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based users.  
>> 
>> This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe. 
>>  
>> 
>> As I think back over the years at some of the photos they display regarding 
>> their staff, during the presentation, it leaves little doubt about which 
>> demographic gets the most attention and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage 
>> earners (smile).
>> 
>> Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).
>> 
>> Mark 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: WWDC
>> 
>> Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and currently at the health 
>> features update.
>> 
>> From what I've heard so far,
>> 
>> I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.
>> 
>> Some of these new to come features  sound pretty far out there, To the point 
>> I think, as cool as that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the 
>> point, do we need it?
>> 
>> Are we starting to get lazy 
>> 
>> It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do everything for me except make my 
>> coffee in the morning, and sleep for me at night.
>> Or should that be the other way around,
>> 
>> Don't get me wrong,
>> This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, But really, do I need to know 
>> when I'm going to fall over?
>> 
>> But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a lot of these features 
>> because our systems aren't up to stratch 
>> 
>> Like my medical test requests / results, I don't believe we have the 
>> inferstructure in our medical systems to get this without jumping through 
>> rings of fire!
>> 
>> But still.
>> 
>> Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Cristobal Muñoz
>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: WWDC
>> 
>> Shhh. Don't jinx it.
>> The one thing I'm actually looking forward to is the SharePlay feature. 
>> Especially since a lot of the big streaming services appear to be onboard. 
>> Not that my sighted wife or family/friends for that matter would ever say 
>> anything or complain, but hopefully with SharePlay, it'll be a lot more 
>> convenient to watch and enjoy something with others for those of us who need 
>> or want the audio described track by simply slipping on a pare of headphones.
>> It's been something I've always written to Apple Accessibility and feedback 
>> about with every major iOS release since I don't know when. 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 7:10 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: WWDC
>> 
>> I 

FW: [tech-vi Announce List] iOS 15: What's New In Accessibility

[Dennis Long]

 

 

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To: tech...@groups.io
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] iOS 15: What's New In Accessibility

 

Original Source  

 

Accessibility

Explore images with VoiceOver

Explore people, objects, text, and tables within images in more detail with
VoiceOver. Navigate receipts and nutrition label values intelligently in
logical order. And move your finger over a photo to discover a person's
position relative to other objects within images.

VoiceOver image descriptions in Markup

Markup lets you add image descriptions that can be read by VoiceOver. Image
descriptions persist even when shared and can be read in a range of
supported apps on iPhone, iPad, and Mac.

Sound actions for Switch Control

Sound actions for Switch Control let you control iPhone with simple mouth
sounds - such as a click, pop, or "ee" sound - without the need for physical
buttons, switches, or complex verbal commands.

Background sounds

Background sounds play balanced, bright, or dark noise, ocean, rain, and
stream sounds continuously in the background to mask unwanted environmental
or external noise and help you focus, stay calm, or rest. The sounds mix
into or duck under other audio and system sounds as you use your device.

Per-app settings

Customize display and text size settings on an app-by-app basis. Bold or
enlarge text, increase contrast, invert colors, add color filters, and more
for only the apps you want.

Import audiograms

Import paper or PDF audiograms in Settings and quickly customize Headphone
Accommodations to amplify soft sounds and adjust certain frequencies based
on your hearing test results.

Magnifier app

Magnifier becomes a default app on iOS, so you can use your iPhone as a
magnifying glass to zoom in on objects near you.

Accessibility Memoji

Memoji represent more of your look and style with new customizations,
including oxygen tubes, cochlear implants, and a soft helmet for headwear.

New Voice Control languages

Voice Control adds new language options including Mandarin Chinese (China
mainland), Cantonese (Hong Kong), French (France), and German (Germany).
These languages use Siri speech recognition technology for incredible
accuracy as you dictate your commands.

 

 

 

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Re: I need an app

[Wayne Merritt]

Depending on where in the world you are, I keep track of most of my
medications through the Walgreens app in the US. I can view a list of
medications along with their doses, and get them refilled from within
the app. There is a medication that I take once per week, and for that
I use the built-in reminders or tasks in the Fantastical free version,
but the reminders app could also suffice. I like this setup since when
I mark the task as complete, it disappears from the current day and
moves to the next week automatically. Walgreens has pill reminders,
but I've had hit and miss success with it. It would work great and
then I would not be reminded to take my medication for one or more
weeks.

Kindly,
Wayne Merritt

On 5/30/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Here is the link:
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pill-reminder-all-in-one/id816347839
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> www.turner42.com
>
>
> On May 30, 2021, at 8:49 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:
>
> 
> Does anyone have the link for this app?  This might help as there are
> several apps with this name.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 9:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I need an app
>
> I also recommend Pil Reminder. Very good and fully accessible.
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> On May 30, 2021, at 4:38 AM, Michael Feir
> mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> There's a very accessible app which might suit your needs called Pill
> Reminder. It's made by Sergio Licea and is very accessible with VoiceOver.
> As always, I recommend people check on Applevis in case people have found
> even more suitable options. This one seems to have a good set of tools for
> keeping track of medication. Hope it helps.
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 6:00 AM Alex Stone
> mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I’m looking for an app to keep track of my medication. Does anyone have any
> suggestions?
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Re: Treadmill app

[Judy Wilkinson]

The California Council Of The Blind is selling a mini treadmill that goes under 
your desk or at your feet there is a motorized version and a self powered 
version please call me if you’d like further information at 510-269-1276. Also 
email at 0 nthe...@ccbnet.org. Yes this is shameless texturing!

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> On Jun 7, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Vicki W.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I'm looking for a treadmill that can either be used with an accessible app or 
> touch screen on the treadmill itself, both options would be great. Any 
> suggestions?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Vicki
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Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Richard Turner]

Are you using the USb dongle for your Windows machine?
Theoretically, opening bluetooth settings on your mac and holding down the key 
for device 2 it should show up on your mac. Perhaps a call to Apple 
Accessibility, 877-204-3930



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Jun 8, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:

 Hello,
Well I was able to finally get this keyboard. However I cannot figure out how 
to pair it to my Mac. I got it paired to my windows machine just fine. I have 
my windows machine set to device one. I cannot figure out to get the Mac paired 
as device 2. I follow the instructions and nothing ever shows up on my Mac. 
Anyone got any suggestions on what I can try?

Thanks,
Greg Wocher


On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS

I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
back to an ergonomic keyboard.
So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the better 
ergonomic keyboards.

I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
I'll start with the negatives.

Cons:
(When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but there 
is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
ergonomics of the thing.
5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split is 
between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit of 
hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.

Pros:
1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
feet in the back.
2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in the 
USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble communicating 
with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that toggles you between 
standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy to press accidentally.
3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 years.  
I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above the 
Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear.  
Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, making 
it a 9 pack.
It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function on 
my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me device 
3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished writing 
this in Word on my computer.
7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly under 
it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your finger 
straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some it 
would also be a pro.

For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key layout 
that involves the missing or extra keys.

ON the very top row, it is mostly standard, but here goes starting from the top 
left key:
Escape
F1
f2
f3
f4
f5
f6
f7
f8
f9
f10
f11
f12
The Function Toggle
Print Screen, which is longer than the other keys.
Device 1
Device 2
Device 3
Calculator key
Battery indicator with one of the hieroglyphic symbols my wife couldn't 
identify).
I am guessing that is for use with the Logitech Options software.
App Menu, Applications Key
Windows Lock key.  This key allows you to lock your 

Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
Well I was able to finally get this keyboard. However I cannot figure out how 
to pair it to my Mac. I got it paired to my windows machine just fine. I have 
my windows machine set to device one. I cannot figure out to get the Mac paired 
as device 2. I follow the instructions and nothing ever shows up on my Mac. 
Anyone got any suggestions on what I can try?

Thanks,
Greg Wocher


> On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS
>  
> I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
> problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
> back to an ergonomic keyboard.
> So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the 
> better ergonomic keyboards.
>  
> I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
> like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
> Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
> I'll start with the negatives.
>  
> Cons:
> (When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but 
> there is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
> 1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
> 2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
> hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
> 3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
> 4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
> Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
> course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
> ergonomics of the thing.
> 5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split 
> is between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit 
> of hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.
>  
> Pros:
> 1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
> wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
> feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
> which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
> feet in the back.
> 2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in 
> the USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble 
> communicating with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that 
> toggles you between standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy 
> to press accidentally.
> 3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 
> years.  I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
> 4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
> 5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above 
> the Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
> 6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
> Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear. 
>  Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
> The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, 
> making it a 9 pack.
> It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function 
> on my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me 
> device 3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished 
> writing this in Word on my computer.
> 7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly 
> under it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your 
> finger straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
> 8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
> right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
> the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some 
> it would also be a pro.
>  
> For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key 
> layout that involves the missing or extra keys.
>  
> ON the very top row, it is mostly standard, but here goes starting from the 
> top left key:
> Escape
> F1
> f2
> f3
> f4
> f5
> f6
> f7
> f8
> f9
> f10
> f11
> f12
> The Function Toggle
> Print Screen, which is longer than the other keys.
> Device 1
> Device 2
> Device 3
> Calculator key
> Battery indicator with one of the hieroglyphic symbols my wife couldn't 
> identify).
> I am guessing that is for use with the Logitech Options software.
> App Menu, Applications Key
> Windows Lock key.  This key allows you to lock your computer, so you need the 
> password to get back into it, also accomplished with WindowsKey+l.
> * Note that the Function Toggle key is directly above the left edge of the 
> backspace key, and the print screen key is above the rest of the backspace 
> key.
>  
> The 

RE: WWDC

[M. Taylor]

As always, well said, Anna.

Mark
PS
I am eager to see what features the next iPhone will bring to the technology 
table.  I am keeping my fingers crossed for some kind of fingerprint sensor.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2021 1:00 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: WWDC

Hi,

I think the focus features will be great for anyone who is easily distracted, 
including people with ADD and similar issues. I think it's great that they are 
making it possible for people with more and more different kinds of needs to 
use these devices. The great thing is that you can use the features you need 
and ignore the rest.

Cheers,
Anna


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, bay area people are going to 
> be needing the hearing aid features, the fall risk features, and others I 
> won't bother with here.
> 
> I could not disagree more with your statement.
> 
> Simon, Several of the health features are clearly targeting older adults.  
> You may not be there yet, but those are going to be good features for the 
> vast majority of people using iPhones one day.
> 
> I know someone who was helped greatly by the fall detection as they live 
> alone and the fact that their watch alerted her emergency contacts that she 
> had fallen, was possibly a life saver.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then 
> again, we must always remember that many of these features are based on the 
> needs of young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based users.  
> 
> This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.  
> 
> As I think back over the years at some of the photos they display regarding 
> their staff, during the presentation, it leaves little doubt about which 
> demographic gets the most attention and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage 
> earners (smile).
> 
> Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).
> 
> Mark 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and currently at the health 
> features update.
> 
> From what I've heard so far,
> 
> I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.
> 
> Some of these new to come features  sound pretty far out there, To the point 
> I think, as cool as that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the 
> point, do we need it?
> 
> Are we starting to get lazy 
> 
> It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do everything for me except make my 
> coffee in the morning, and sleep for me at night.
> Or should that be the other way around,
> 
> Don't get me wrong,
> This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, But really, do I need to know 
> when I'm going to fall over?
> 
> But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a lot of these features because 
> our systems aren't up to stratch 
> 
> Like my medical test requests / results, I don't believe we have the 
> inferstructure in our medical systems to get this without jumping through 
> rings of fire!
> 
> But still.
> 
> Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristobal Muñoz
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Shhh. Don't jinx it.
> The one thing I'm actually looking forward to is the SharePlay feature. 
> Especially since a lot of the big streaming services appear to be onboard. 
> Not that my sighted wife or family/friends for that matter would ever say 
> anything or complain, but hopefully with SharePlay, it'll be a lot more 
> convenient to watch and enjoy something with others for those of us who need 
> or want the audio described track by simply slipping on a pare of headphones.
> It's been something I've always written to Apple Accessibility and feedback 
> about with every major iOS release since I don't know when. 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 7:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: WWDC
> 
> I am really surprised to come home tonight and to find virtually nothing 
> about today's WWDC keynote. I guess the good old days are over when the 
> Viphone list had 200 messages on a day when Apple delivered a keynote.
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Re: Insta pot

[doug parisian]

Well gentle readers: I have 3 older iphones which will not accept the 
most recent updates. I am using an Iphone 8 which does accept the 
updates but of course is no longer friendly to instapot.


And boy, do I have a deal for you-all, maybe!  I am willing to give a 
sad instapot owner one of the oldie mouldier phones set up as a new Iphone.


Sadly, I have no ink for my printer and have no intention to replace the 
cartridges; I might need to print something once or twice a year.


Here's the thing! To get one of these relics you need to send an 
addressed and stamped padded envelop to me. Not sure of postal cost for 
the phone? Five bucks should cover it. This might not be so good for 
folks other than Canadians and possibly US folks. I get to keep the 
change and American exchange, my tip.


On 2021-06-08 1:35 p.m., Penny Reeder wrote:

Unfortunately, it is not accessible, and the company has no plans to upgrade 
the app. They currently still sell a WiFi-controlled model, but it gets less 
than stellar reviews for accessibility, and the company is not even 
recommending that model to current shoppers. It made me very sad to send my 
bluetooth IP home with

  My sighted daughter. Of course, i am happy she can use it. But, i am very 
unhappy about not having a useable pressure cooker. PennySent from my iPhone


On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:

Yes

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:51, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:

Good morning everyone,

I was wondering if the Insta pot is still accessible with the iPhone app. If 
so, which models? Thank you in advance.

Lynda

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Re: WWDC

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I think the focus features will be great for anyone who is easily distracted, 
including people with ADD and similar issues. I think it's great that they are 
making it possible for people with more and more different kinds of needs to 
use these devices. The great thing is that you can use the features you need 
and ignore the rest.

Cheers,
Anna


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, bay area people are going to 
> be needing the hearing aid features, the fall risk features, and others I 
> won't bother with here.
> 
> I could not disagree more with your statement.
> 
> Simon, Several of the health features are clearly targeting older adults.  
> You may not be there yet, but those are going to be good features for the 
> vast majority of people using iPhones one day.
> 
> I know someone who was helped greatly by the fall detection as they live 
> alone and the fact that their watch alerted her emergency contacts that she 
> had fallen, was possibly a life saver.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then 
> again, we must always remember that many of these features are based on the 
> needs of young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based users.  
> 
> This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.  
> 
> As I think back over the years at some of the photos they display regarding 
> their staff, during the presentation, it leaves little doubt about which 
> demographic gets the most attention and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage 
> earners (smile).
> 
> Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).
> 
> Mark 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and currently at the health 
> features update.
> 
> From what I've heard so far,
> 
> I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.
> 
> Some of these new to come features  sound pretty far out there, To the point 
> I think, as cool as that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the 
> point, do we need it?
> 
> Are we starting to get lazy 
> 
> It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do everything for me except make my 
> coffee in the morning, and sleep for me at night.
> Or should that be the other way around,
> 
> Don't get me wrong,
> This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, But really, do I need to know 
> when I'm going to fall over?
> 
> But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a lot of these features because 
> our systems aren't up to stratch 
> 
> Like my medical test requests / results, I don't believe we have the 
> inferstructure in our medical systems to get this without jumping through 
> rings of fire!
> 
> But still.
> 
> Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristobal Muñoz
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
> 
> Shhh. Don't jinx it.
> The one thing I'm actually looking forward to is the SharePlay feature. 
> Especially since a lot of the big streaming services appear to be onboard. 
> Not that my sighted wife or family/friends for that matter would ever say 
> anything or complain, but hopefully with SharePlay, it'll be a lot more 
> convenient to watch and enjoy something with others for those of us who need 
> or want the audio described track by simply slipping on a pare of headphones.
> It's been something I've always written to Apple Accessibility and feedback 
> about with every major iOS release since I don't know when. 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 7:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: WWDC
> 
> I am really surprised to come home tonight and to find virtually nothing 
> about today's WWDC keynote. I guess the good old days are over when the 
> Viphone list had 200 messages on a day when Apple delivered a keynote.
> 
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RE: WWDC

[Richard Turner]

Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, bay area people are going to 
be needing the hearing aid features, the fall risk features, and others I won't 
bother with here.

I could not disagree more with your statement.

Simon, Several of the health features are clearly targeting older adults.  You 
may not be there yet, but those are going to be good features for the vast 
majority of people using iPhones one day.

I know someone who was helped greatly by the fall detection as they live alone 
and the fact that their watch alerted her emergency contacts that she had 
fallen, was possibly a life saver.





Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hello Simon,

I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then again, 
we must always remember that many of these features are based on the needs of 
young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based users.  

This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.  

As I think back over the years at some of the photos they display regarding 
their staff, during the presentation, it leaves little doubt about which 
demographic gets the most attention and it ain't low-paid blue-collar wage 
earners (smile).

Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).

Mark 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hell, I'm listening to the presentation now and currently at the health 
features update.

>From what I've heard so far,

I'm kind of thinking I'm getting in above and beyond my requirements level.

Some of these new to come features  sound pretty far out there, To the point I 
think, as cool as that feature sounds, Why do we need it, Or more to the point, 
do we need it?

Are we starting to get lazy 

It's almost like the IOS 15 OS will do everything for me except make my coffee 
in the morning, and sleep for me at night.
Or should that be the other way around,

Don't get me wrong,
This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful, But really, do I need to know 
when I'm going to fall over?

But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a lot of these features because 
our systems aren't up to stratch 

Like my medical test requests / results, I don't believe we have the 
inferstructure in our medical systems to get this without jumping through rings 
of fire!

But still.

Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Shhh. Don't jinx it.
The one thing I'm actually looking forward to is the SharePlay feature. 
Especially since a lot of the big streaming services appear to be onboard. Not 
that my sighted wife or family/friends for that matter would ever say anything 
or complain, but hopefully with SharePlay, it'll be a lot more convenient to 
watch and enjoy something with others for those of us who need or want the 
audio described track by simply slipping on a pare of headphones.
It's been something I've always written to Apple Accessibility and feedback 
about with every major iOS release since I don't know when. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 7:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WWDC

I am really surprised to come home tonight and to find virtually nothing about 
today's WWDC keynote. I guess the good old days are over when the Viphone list 
had 200 messages on a day when Apple delivered a keynote.

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RE: WWDC

[M. Taylor]

Hello Simon,

I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then again, 
we must always remember that many of these features are based on the needs of 
young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based users.  

This is just my opinion but I would put money on the demographic I describe.  

As I think back over the years at some of the photos they display regarding 
their staff, during the presentation, it leaves little doubt about which 
demographic gets the most attention and it ain’t low-paid blue-collar wage 
earners (smile).

Just my opinion, nothing more (smile).

Mark 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Hell, I’m listening to the presentation now and currently at the health 
features update.

>From what I’ve heard so far,

I’m kind of thinking I’m getting in above and beyond my requirements level.

Some of these new to come features  sound pretty far out there,
To the point I think, as cool as that feature sounds,
Why do we need it,
Or more to the point, do we need it?

Are we starting to get lazy 

It’s almost like the IOS 15 OS will do everything for me except make my coffee 
in the morning, and sleep for me at night.
Or should that be the other way around,

Don’t get me wrong, 
This stuff sounds very very cool and helpful,
But really, do I need to know when I’m going to fall over?

But we in New Zealand wont get the benefit of a lot of these features because 
our systems aren’t up to stratch 

Like my medical test requests / results, I don’t believe we have the 
inferstructure in our medical systems to get this without jumping through rings 
of fire!

But still.

Lets see where this goes once the os is actually updated.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:56 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC

Shhh… Don’t jinx it.
The one thing I’m actually looking forward to is the SharePlay feature. 
Especially since a lot of the big streaming services appear to be onboard. Not 
that my sighted wife or family/friends for that matter would ever say anything 
or complain, but hopefully with SharePlay, it’ll be a lot more convenient to 
watch and enjoy something with others for those of us who need or want the 
audio described track by simply slipping on a pare of headphones.
It’s been something I’ve always written to Apple Accessibility and feedback 
about with every major iOS release since I don’t know when. 

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Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 7:10 PM
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Subject: WWDC

I am really surprised to come home tonight and to find virtually nothing about 
today's WWDC keynote. I guess the good old days are over when the Viphone list 
had 200 messages on a day when Apple delivered a keynote.

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Re: May have fixed Twitter problem

[Ed Worrell]

That’s great! My response was going to be a little tongue in cheeck…

Fix the Twitter problems by installing Twitterrific.

The only downside to Twitterrific is no alerts.

Ed


> On Jun 5, 2021, at 3:07 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
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> I deleted the app, unplug the router for a bit and re-plugged in, reset 
> network settings, and reinstalled Twitter. I had a better reading experience.
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RE: WWDC

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sieghard, et al:  

Speaking only for myself, I was somewhat underwhelmed by the presentation.  

Perhaps I’m just getting older but I am finding it more difficult to be wowed 
by technology, these days.  Perhaps I have started taking, for granted, all of 
those things that were not either available or accessible to us, as blind or 
low vision users, 20 years ago.  

Be that as it may, I think it is kind of nice that one can now share media via 
FaceTime.  

However, what I was hoping to see was a way to save and file messages, in the 
Messages app, for later retrieval.  For example, I would like to be able to 
create a folder, in the Messages app, called Happy Birthday, in which I could 
save all of those very special messages from people who send me birthday 
wishes.  

I think what I found most exciting is the new feature that will allow one to 
both learn how to code and submit apps to the App Store via Swift Playground, 
on iPad.

Mark

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I am really surprised to come home tonight and to find virtually nothing about 
today's WWDC keynote. I guess the good old days are over when the Viphone list 
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RE: Insta pot

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi,

I don't know if the Instant Pot Duo is still being sold.  This does not have 
any connectivity to mobile devices, but once you learn what the buttons are, it 
is useable by a blind person.  I have one, and can use it without issues.  Of 
course, it doesn't have all of the nice things that you would get if it 
connected to your phone.

Pam



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Penny 
Reeder
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Insta pot

Unfortunately, it is not accessible, and the company has no plans to upgrade 
the app. They currently still sell a WiFi-controlled model, but it gets less 
than stellar reviews for accessibility, and the company is not even 
recommending that model to current shoppers. It made me very sad to send my 
bluetooth IP home with  

 My sighted daughter. Of course, i am happy she can use it. But, i am very 
unhappy about not having a useable pressure cooker. PennySent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
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> Yes 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Good morning everyone,
>> 
>> I was wondering if the Insta pot is still accessible with the iPhone app. If 
>> so, which models? Thank you in advance.
>> 
>> Lynda
>> 
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Re: WWDC

[Devin Prater]

I'm more excited about Shareplay. I mean, not just for watching movies with
people without the awful TV noise, but also for general screen sharing,
gaming stuff, all that. I think FaceTime will be used a heck of a lot more
now. Also, Dolby Atmos for FaceTime? Man these kinds of things are what
I've been asking companies to look into. Background noise for focusing or
relaxing? Stuff like this! Apple's push for better and better audio, with
even Apple Music getting Dolby Atmos support, is amazing for me. Just
imagine background ambience 2.0, where maybe the sounds will be task
dependent, like soothing noise for reading, something calming for social
media to maybe mellow out the rage online, something focusing for writing,
stuff like that! I mean, I'd probably have this on a lot if it comes to
MacOS, just to keep me focused and on-task or even motivated. Just imagine
what can be done with sound to help with motivation. And if one is working
in XCode, maybe a little rewarding sound for every function created or
every 50 lines of code. Or in writing, a rewarding sound for every 100
words, or every scene or chapter written. I mean, all this is just getting
started! Imagine Dolby Atmos for VoiceOver TTS and sounds, so that the
voice isn't just jammed into your ear punching with every word. Rather,
speech could be outward a bit, in front of you, maybe with slight reverb to
soften things a bit and make you feel like you have space around you. Stuff
like that.
Devin Prater
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On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 12:35 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hardware typically is very insignificant during WWWDC, it's all about the
> new features of the various software platforms and traditionally iOS has
> always taken up a big portion of the time.
>
> And let's not downplay photos on the Apple watch, after all, if you have
> the 44mm watch that is 1.73 inches not a measly 1.5 inches.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Simon A Fogarty
> *Sent:* Monday, June 7, 2021 8:54 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: WWDC
>
>
>
> I’m sitting here watching it, and so far it’s all been about ioS, iPadOS
> and associated features as well as health and fitness plus on the watch
>
> I’m approx. 50 minutes into the show and they still haven’t looked at
> macOS or any mention of hardware.
>
>
>
>
>
> Waw, looking at and sharing photos on an apple watch in watchOS 8,
>
>
>
> How does someone see a photo on a 1.5inch screen!?
>
>
>
> Waw.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Sieghard Weitzel
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:10 pm
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
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>
>
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Re: Insta pot

[Penny Reeder]

Unfortunately, it is not accessible, and the company has no plans to upgrade 
the app. They currently still sell a WiFi-controlled model, but it gets less 
than stellar reviews for accessibility, and the company is not even 
recommending that model to current shoppers. It made me very sad to send my 
bluetooth IP home with  

 My sighted daughter. Of course, i am happy she can use it. But, i am very 
unhappy about not having a useable pressure cooker. PennySent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
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> Yes 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:51, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:
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>> Good morning everyone,
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>> Lynda
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RE: iPhone 12 Pro Max Unboxing Warning

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think it's great that Apple started this and now others are following. A lot 
of people buy a new smart phone every year on whatever upgrade plan they are 
on, others keep their's for 2 or 3 years and some even for 4 or 5, but the fact 
is that a wall charger lasts for much longer than that so why add thousands of 
tons of plastic and other components when it's not necessary. And if you don't 
think it's that much, just do the math. Each year hundreds of millions phones 
are sold, maybe even a Billion. If the wall adapter weighs an ounce, 25 or 30 
grams and if there are a Billion a year that is 250 metric tons of plastic in 
one year alone. Add all the other devices like headphones, speakers and so on 
and it's a multiple of that. Most such devices already don't include wall plugs 
any more so why should a phone. Nowadays you can get wall outlets which in 
addition to your 2 regular sockets include 2 or so USB ports, get one of these 
in a few places in your house and you rarely ever would need an external wall 
adapter any more. As far as I am concerned Apple can stop selling a cable with 
the iPhone as well, I have a collection of them from previous phone purchases 
and other third party ones because I often find I want a longer cable than the 
3-foot one provided and then of course there is the fact that I rarely ever use 
a cable any more since I bought a few wireless charging pads several years ago 
when I got my iPhone 8 which supported wireless charging and I much prefer that 
over having to plug it in.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 12 Pro Max Unboxing Warning

My SE2020 didn't come with a charger either.  The first one in my time of 
owning iPhones.


Maria Campbell
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--Edmund Burke

On 6/7/2021 7:00 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
> The stock package for an iPhone 12 Pro Max comes with a charging 
> cable, but no charger. This is the first phone I've had, starting with 
> the venerable 4S, where no little charger cube was hiding ina nook or 
> cranny in the main iPhone box. What you do get is a charging cable, 
> and thereby hangs another tale, because you need to know that the end 
> that's supposed to go into your little charging cube wall wart that 
> you don't get, that connector is not USB-A--it's USB-C. So if you 
> don't have any USB-C charger wall warts in the house, you're going to 
> be kiind-of stuck until you either get one or buy the accessory kit 
> from your phone store or provider that contains a case and the new 
> wireless MagSafe charging square. I got lucky--I didn't foresee this 
> problem, but I did want the wireless charging option plus the case 
> plus the screen protection.
>
>
> Oh yeah, no earbuds either.
>
>
> The above aside, they've done a clever thing regarding installing the 
> tempered glass screen protector--you now get a plastic form that 
> neatly fits over the iPhone itself. What you do with it is, you turn 
> it upside down and lay it on a flat surface, oritent yourself with the 
> tempered-glass screen protector so you know which is the end with a 
> notch cut out of it--that's the earpiece end, take it out of its 
> wrapping and sheathing, and lay it very gently adhesive side up in the 
> plastic form. Then, orient the phone itself in the same way as the 
> screen protector, remove its packaging covering, and lay it down into 
> the form on top of the adhesive backing of the screen protector. By 
> doing this, the screen protector is absolutely assured of being in 
> perfect position on the front side of the phone, and you don't get any 
> fingerprints anywhere. The slightest bit of oil from your fingers on 
> the front side will diminish the ability of the screen protector's 
> adhesive side to stick to the phone's glass face, and this new way of 
> applying these rigid-glass protectors seems to be a great thing, 
> especially for blind people. I wish I'd've had this for the XS Max 
> last year. If I did, I probably wouldn't have put it on ever so 
> slightly crooked, and it might not have come off about five months 
> later, also probably due to my having touched the screen and polluting 
> the surface with my body fluids (LOL) to orient it when putting it on.
>

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RE: Uberconference Call Muting or Unmuting Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi, 
Thank you so much for this.  
Janet 

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Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2021 10:42 AM
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Hi Janet,

No, you can unmute yourself. I was on a meeting the other day where everybody 
was muted and a lot of us I needed ourselves and contributed. So it isn’t 
necessary to wait for the moderator to do it.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi Everyone, 
> Can someone please tell me if someone is muted by the moderator during 
> Uberconference call can they unmute themselves, or does the moderator have to 
> be the only one to unmute them? 
> 
> Thank you in advance. 
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Re: Uberconference Call Muting or Unmuting Question Please.

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Janet,

No, you can unmute yourself. I was on a meeting the other day where everybody 
was muted and a lot of us I needed ourselves and contributed. So it isn’t 
necessary to wait for the moderator to do it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:39 AM, janet gross  wrote:
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> Hi Everyone, 
> Can someone please tell me if someone is muted by the moderator during 
> Uberconference call can they unmute themselves, or does the moderator have to 
> be the only one to unmute them? 
> 
> Thank you in advance. 
> 
> Janet  
> 
> Peace Be With You. 
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Re: iPhone 12 Pro Max Unboxing Warning

[Maria Campbell]

My SE2020 didn't come with a charger either.  The first one in my time 
of owning iPhones.



Maria Campbell
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On 6/7/2021 7:00 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
The stock package for an iPhone 12 Pro Max comes with a charging 
cable, but no charger. This is the first phone I've had, starting with 
the venerable 4S, where no little charger cube was hiding ina nook or 
cranny in the main iPhone box. What you do get is a charging cable, 
and thereby hangs another tale, because you need to know that the end 
that's supposed to go into your little charging cube wall wart that 
you don't get, that connector is not USB-A--it's USB-C. So if you 
don't have any USB-C charger wall warts in the house, you're going to 
be kiind-of stuck until you either get one or buy the accessory kit 
from your phone store or provider that contains a case and the new 
wireless MagSafe charging square. I got lucky--I didn't foresee this 
problem, but I did want the wireless charging option plus the case 
plus the screen protection.



Oh yeah, no earbuds either.


The above aside, they've done a clever thing regarding installing the 
tempered glass screen protector--you now get a plastic form that 
neatly fits over the iPhone itself. What you do with it is, you turn 
it upside down and lay it on a flat surface, oritent yourself with the 
tempered-glass screen protector so you know which is the end with a 
notch cut out of it--that's the earpiece end, take it out of its 
wrapping and sheathing, and lay it very gently adhesive side up in the 
plastic form. Then, orient the phone itself in the same way as the 
screen protector, remove its packaging covering, and lay it down into 
the form on top of the adhesive backing of the screen protector. By 
doing this, the screen protector is absolutely assured of being in 
perfect position on the front side of the phone, and you don't get any 
fingerprints anywhere. The slightest bit of oil from your fingers on 
the front side will diminish the ability of the screen protector's 
adhesive side to stick to the phone's glass face, and this new way of 
applying these rigid-glass protectors seems to be a great thing, 
especially for blind people. I wish I'd've had this for the XS Max 
last year. If I did, I probably wouldn't have put it on ever so 
slightly crooked, and it might not have come off about five months 
later, also probably due to my having touched the screen and polluting 
the surface with my body fluids (LOL) to orient it when putting it on.




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Re: Insta pot

[Star Gazer]

Yes 

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> On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:51, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:
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> Good morning everyone,
> 
> I was wondering if the Insta pot is still accessible with the iPhone app. If 
> so, which models? Thank you in advance.
> 
> Lynda
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Insta pot

[Lynda Ingraham]

Good morning everyone,

I was wondering if the Insta pot is still accessible with the iPhone app. If 
so, which models? Thank you in advance.

Lynda

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Uberconference Call Muting or Unmuting Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone, 
Can someone please tell me if someone is muted by the moderator during 
Uberconference call can they unmute themselves, or does the moderator have to 
be the only one to unmute them? 

Thank you in advance. 

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Re: question on Amy Johnson's treadmill

[Vicki W.]

Thank you! This is great.

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Amy Johnson" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2021 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: question on Amy Johnson's treadmill



It is the Serenelife foldable digital home gym treadmill smart auto
incline exercise machine with downloadable app.  Large running
treadmill with mp3 player, stereo speakers10 mph speed- Slftrd35 is
the model number I think.
Looks like it is $594.99 right now.
Hope this helps.
Amy

On 6/8/21, Vicki W.  wrote:

Hi Amy,

Can you please post the model number of your treadmill if you have it? 
There

were several on Amazon that looked like they may have worked, but I'm not
sure which one you are talking about.

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: question on Amy Johnson's treadmill

[Amy Johnson]

It is the Serenelife foldable digital home gym treadmill smart auto
incline exercise machine with downloadable app.  Large running
treadmill with mp3 player, stereo speakers10 mph speed- Slftrd35 is
the model number I think.
Looks like it is $594.99 right now.
Hope this helps.
Amy

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> Hi Amy,
>
> Can you please post the model number of your treadmill if you have it? There
> were several on Amazon that looked like they may have worked, but I'm not
> sure which one you are talking about.
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> Thanks.
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question on Amy Johnson's treadmill

[Vicki W.]

Hi Amy,

Can you please post the model number of your treadmill if you have it? There 
were several on Amazon that looked like they may have worked, but I'm not sure 
which one you are talking about.

Thanks.

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Re: VO Setting to make it read the changing values like the progress bar

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Not sure whether it would help, but you could try making it a Watched Item.

I have my iPhone setup so a double-tap on the back of the device toggles Watch 
Item on/off.

So I place Voiceover’s focus on the item I want to monitor then turn Watch Item 
on.

Give it a try it may be what you’re looking for.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 8 Jun 2021, at 11:31, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> Not that I'm aware of. I was just discussing this on Friday with an Apple 
> representative and we couldn't find a way to get it done
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Dr. Harshit Jaithwar  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> I sometime trade in forex and faces issues in rapidly changing values
>> which voice over doesn't speaks automatically like it does in progress
>> bar.
>> Currently I have to use swipe right and then again left to read the
>> current value.
>> Is there any setting in voice over through which I can get
>> continuously announcement whenever values gets change.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
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Re: VO Setting to make it read the changing values like the progress bar

[Anthony Vece]

Not that I'm aware of. I was just discussing this on Friday with an Apple 
representative and we couldn't find a way to get it done

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Dr. Harshit Jaithwar  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I sometime trade in forex and faces issues in rapidly changing values
> which voice over doesn't speaks automatically like it does in progress
> bar.
> Currently I have to use swipe right and then again left to read the
> current value.
> Is there any setting in voice over through which I can get
> continuously announcement whenever values gets change.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
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VO Setting to make it read the changing values like the progress bar

[Dr. Harshit Jaithwar]

Hello everyone,
I sometime trade in forex and faces issues in rapidly changing values
which voice over doesn't speaks automatically like it does in progress
bar.
Currently I have to use swipe right and then again left to read the
current value.
Is there any setting in voice over through which I can get
continuously announcement whenever values gets change.

Thank you!

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RE: 2021 WWDC Wrap-up

[marco.curr]

Hello everyone,

  

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On this bonus episode of the pod, Marco and Kirt wrap up the goings on at this 
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