RE: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

[Christopher Chaltain]

My Sony will be mounted over the fireplace, so I don't think I'll miss the 
headphone jack! It'll also be tied into our surround sound speaker system. I'm 
looking forward to sending more audio through our speakers and my wife is 
looking forward to actually being able to see the basketball players on the 
screen!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 9:10 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same 
Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

You're quite welcome, Christopher.

One thing I've learned about the latest models of the Sony Bravia line is that 
they seem to have removed the 3.5 audio jack for headphones.  There are a great 
many articles on the web written by people who are so very disappointed by this 
fact.

I must admit, I was a bit surprised by this, also.

There may be some kind of adapter that one can insert into one of the ports 
but, as yet, I have not researched this very much.

There are times, very rarely to be honest, when I like to use a 3.5 audio 
headset such as when there are several people in the living room and I do not 
wish to disturb them when they are reading, studying, etc.   I only do this 
once or twice a year but still ...

When you receive your new television, if you do not like a great deal of bass 
and you do not wish to tweak the OS equalizer,  set the sound audio to wall 
unit instead of table top so that the audio will be directed at you instead of 
being directed towards the table, creating more of a bass sound.

It seems to me that my Apple TV 4KHD seems to offer more options now that it is 
connected to the new television.  My imagination?  

Mark

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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same 
Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

Thanks for the timely post Mark. I'm getting a Sony TV on Thursday. I was 
debating between that, a Samsung and an LG. I did some checking and they all 
seem to be accessible, but it's still reassuring to get your confirmation!

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same 
Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

Hello Everyone,

At approximately 6:18 PM, while eating dinner, the video output of my beloved 
off-brand 42-inch television gave up the ghost.  That's right, it just died.  
The sound was fine, however.  It was 12 years and 2 months old.
May it rest in piece.  (smile).

I went over to my local Best Buy and was amazed to discover the number of big 
screen televisions available for less than $200.  Interestingly, all of them 
were off-bands and offered the bare minimum hardware connectivity options.

It took me less than 15 minutes to decide on a Sony X85K Smart TV for several 
reasons not the least of which being that it has an ethernet port which allows 
one to instantly connect to the web without having to configure and disclose 
one's WIfI information.  This means that one can instantly disconnect the set 
from the web by merely disconnecting the cable.

A great many things have changed in accessible television technology since I 
last purchased a television.  So you can imagine how delighted I was to 
discover that this unit offers both Google Talkback and the Google TTS Screen 
Reader, as separate options, that make the set 100% accessible.

Without needing to first connect the set to the web, I was able to enable the 
unit's Google screen reader and configure the seemingly endless OS options.

I quickly connected my beloved Apple TV to the new set and I can enjoy both the 
Google TTS and VoiceOver without having to disable either.  Just as with Apple 
TV, the Google screen reader has a shortcut key button so one can quickly 
enable and disable the Android OS accessibility feature of choice.

The cost of the set was approximately $600.

Once the screen reader has been enabled, the set is wonderfully accessible to 
the blind and low vision.  However, in my opinion, sighted assistance is 
definitely needed to enable the screen reader, out of the box.

Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same television, Not 
bad; not Bad at all.

Mark

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RE: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

[M. Taylor]

You're quite welcome, Christopher.

One thing I've learned about the latest models of the Sony Bravia line is that 
they seem to have removed the 3.5 audio jack for headphones.  There are a great 
many articles on the web written by people who are so very disappointed by this 
fact.

I must admit, I was a bit surprised by this, also.

There may be some kind of adapter that one can insert into one of the ports 
but, as yet, I have not researched this very much.

There are times, very rarely to be honest, when I like to use a 3.5 audio 
headset such as when there are several people in the living room and I do not 
wish to disturb them when they are reading, studying, etc.   I only do this 
once or twice a year but still ...

When you receive your new television, if you do not like a great deal of bass 
and you do not wish to tweak the OS equalizer,  set the sound audio to wall 
unit instead of table top so that the audio will be directed at you instead of 
being directed towards the table, creating more of a bass sound.

It seems to me that my Apple TV 4KHD seems to offer more options now that it is 
connected to the new television.  My imagination?  

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same 
Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

Thanks for the timely post Mark. I'm getting a Sony TV on Thursday. I was 
debating between that, a Samsung and an LG. I did some checking and they all 
seem to be accessible, but it's still reassuring to get your confirmation!

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same 
Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

Hello Everyone,

At approximately 6:18 PM, while eating dinner, the video output of my beloved 
off-brand 42-inch television gave up the ghost.  That's right, it just died.  
The sound was fine, however.  It was 12 years and 2 months old.
May it rest in piece.  (smile).

I went over to my local Best Buy and was amazed to discover the number of big 
screen televisions available for less than $200.  Interestingly, all of them 
were off-bands and offered the bare minimum hardware connectivity options.

It took me less than 15 minutes to decide on a Sony X85K Smart TV for several 
reasons not the least of which being that it has an ethernet port which allows 
one to instantly connect to the web without having to configure and disclose 
one's WIfI information.  This means that one can instantly disconnect the set 
from the web by merely disconnecting the cable.

A great many things have changed in accessible television technology since I 
last purchased a television.  So you can imagine how delighted I was to 
discover that this unit offers both Google Talkback and the Google TTS Screen 
Reader, as separate options, that make the set 100% accessible.

Without needing to first connect the set to the web, I was able to enable the 
unit's Google screen reader and configure the seemingly endless OS options.

I quickly connected my beloved Apple TV to the new set and I can enjoy both the 
Google TTS and VoiceOver without having to disable either.  Just as with Apple 
TV, the Google screen reader has a shortcut key button so one can quickly 
enable and disable the Android OS accessibility feature of choice.

The cost of the set was approximately $600.

Once the screen reader has been enabled, the set is wonderfully accessible to 
the blind and low vision.  However, in my opinion, sighted assistance is 
definitely needed to enable the screen reader, out of the box.

Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same television, Not 
bad; not Bad at all.

Mark

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[Fazil M.]

Hi, group.

Can I record a Google Meet cession with either my iPhone12 or iPad Mini
2019?

If yes, how can it be done, please?

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RE: Guess I have more configuring to do Was: Reading notifications on the lock screen

[Debbie Downey]

I definitely intend to do that! The more complaints they get the better for us 
or at least I hope that that will be the case!

 

Debbie

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 4:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guess I have more configuring to do Was: Reading notifications on 
the lock screen

 

Hi Debbie, it definitely will not hurt if you send an email to 
accessibil...@apple.com   and tell them that 
the notification experience in iOS 16 for Voiceover users is not very good and 
ask them to p[lease fix it so Voiceover more reliably reads incoming 
notifications.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Debbie Downey
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Guess I have more configuring to do Was: Reading notifications on 
the lock screen

 

HI Sieghard,

 

Oh, I understand what you’re saying; what I meant by us not having to do their 
work was that since Apple broke the ability to have Voiceover read 
notifications on the locked screen and people are complaining about it; they 
should be the ones to come up with a workaround until they do fix that feature. 

 

Of course, I’m not inclined to be the one to do all of the experimenting with 
different things like Katrina did but I am willing to try to emulate what she 
did and am most grateful for her work.   

 

I’ve never been one who likes lots of customization but that’s just me!

 

I still hope they fix this issue soon so that notifications will once again be 
read aloud by Voiceover on the locked screen. At least that’s the way I prefer 
them.

 

Thanks for the article! That sounds interesting.

 

Debbie 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 1:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Guess I have more configuring to do Was: Reading notifications on 
the lock screen

 

Debbie, the reason you have to do the work by which I mean you have to set up 
which notifications you want Siri to read is because not everybody wants all or 
for that matter any notifications read automatically. This is no different from 
having to select the voice you want or adding/removing/reordering rotor items. 
I am by the way not saying there isn't room for improvement which I am sure 
there is. It will be interesting if the rumoured custom accessibility mode or 
whatever it will be called will make it into iOS 16.2 since as of public beta 2 
it does only to be hinted at, here is more about it from 9to5Mac:

 

iOS 16.2 'Custom Accessibility Mode' with streamlined experience for iPhone and 
iPad

Apple on Tuesday released iOS 16.2 beta 2 to developers as the company gets 
ready to make the update available to the public in December. Officially, it 
adds the new Freeform collaboration app

and improvements to the Home app. Under the hood, 9to5Mac found out that Apple 
has been working on a new “Custom Accessibility Mode” that will provide a 
“streamlined” experience for iPhone and iPad.

Custom Accessibility Mode Codenamed “Clarity,” this new mode basically replaces 
Springboard (which is the main iOS interface) with a more streamlined one. The 
feature, which is

still unavailable to users in the current beta, will be available as an 
accessibility option, aimed at making the iPhone and iPad interface more 
user-friendly for those users who may find it too complicated.

Apple internally describes Custom Accessibility Mode as a “customizable, 
streamlined way to use your iPhone and iPad.” In some ways, the new mode should

work similarly to the current Guided Access mode, which lets users lock their 
device to a single app. However, Custom Accessibility Mode will let users 
navigate through the system with some restrictions.

For example, users will be able to set things like UI and larger text, apps 
available on the Home Screen, allowed contacts, and access to hardware buttons 
for when Custom Accessibility Mode is enabled. A password can be set to prevent 
others from changing these settings. A triple-click on the side button (or Home 
button) quickly enables and disables Custom Accessibility Mode.

Once the mode is activated, even the interface of the apps becomes extremely 
simplified and with larger elements. 

Even though Apple has been working on this Custom Accessibility Mode feature 
with iOS 16.2, it’s unclear whether it will become available to users with the 
official release of the update or with a future version of iOS.

Here are some exclusive screenshots showing the Custom Accessibility Mode 
interface. The lock screen is simplified with a “Hold Down to Enter” while the 
home screen has giant icons with no Dock. Apple’s 

RE: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you are getting a TV and primarily don't have sighted people around to watch 
it may not make such a big difference, but if you do then an OLED TFV like the 
LG OLED series, there is a "B", C" and "G" series, are considered among the 
best. Sony has a new OLED offering this year which also gets very good reviews.
The LG "B" series (I think of "B" as budget) is less expensive than the "C" 
series and the most expensive is the "G" or gaming series. All LG TV's use 
WebOS as their operating system and they do have voice guidance. We have the 
original LG 55-inch C-series from 2020, last year the C1 (Gen 1) was released 
as an upgrade and this year the C2 (Gen 2) came out and these TV's are 
available I think as small as 42 inch, there is definitely a 48-inch, 55-inch, 
65-inch and 75-inch.
Another consideration is you have a soundbar like the Sonos Arc which support 
Dolby Atmos is to make sure the TV you are buying as an "eARC" HDMI port, this 
stands for "enhanced audio return channel" and unless you connect your Dolby 
Atmos capable soundbar to your TV on that port you will not get the full Atmos 
experience.
I am sure the Sony OLED TV's are very nice, I really like the LG we bought 
because it is so very thin and even when it's been running for hours it is cool 
to the touch which means it obviously does not use very much electricity since 
anything which gets warm means it is not very efficient.
I must admit that I can't say too much about how user friendly the WebOS 
screenreader is because when we watch TV my wife who is sighted usually does 
all the navigating, but there is an LG app which allows me to do things likek 
Play/Pause, change the volume and so on, of course since we have this connected 
to a Sonos system I can also use the Sonos digital assistant and ask it to turn 
the volume up or down. I think there is a fair bit of voice input capability as 
well and the LG remote has a button you push so you can talk to it, but I 
haven't played around with this yet.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same 
Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

Thanks for the timely post Mark. I'm getting a Sony TV on Thursday. I was 
debating between that, a Samsung and an LG. I did some checking and they all 
seem to be accessible, but it's still reassuring to get your confirmation!

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same 
Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

Hello Everyone,
At approximately 6:18 PM, while eating dinner, the video output of my beloved 
off-brand 42-inch television gave up the ghost.  That's right, it just died.  
The sound was fine, however.  It was 12 years and 2 months old.
May it rest in piece.  (smile).

I went over to my local Best Buy and was amazed to discover the number of big 
screen televisions available for less than $200.  Interestingly, all of them 
were off-bands and offered the bare minimum hardware connectivity options.

It took me less than 15 minutes to decide on a Sony X85K Smart TV for several 
reasons not the least of which being that it has an ethernet port which allows 
one to instantly connect to the web without having to configure and disclose 
one's WIfI information.  This means that one can instantly disconnect the set 
from the web by merely disconnecting the cable.

A great many things have changed in accessible television technology since I 
last purchased a television.  So you can imagine how delighted I was to 
discover that this unit offers both Google Talkback and the Google TTS Screen 
Reader, as separate options, that make the set 100% accessible.

Without needing to first connect the set to the web, I was able to enable the 
unit's Google screen reader and configure the seemingly endless OS options.

I quickly connected my beloved Apple TV to the new set and I can enjoy both the 
Google TTS and VoiceOver without having to disable either.  Just as with Apple 
TV, the Google screen reader has a shortcut key button so one can quickly 
enable and disable the Android OS accessibility feature of choice.

The cost of the set was approximately $600.

Once the screen reader has been enabled, the set is wonderfully accessible to 
the blind and low vision.  However, in my opinion, sighted assistance is 
definitely needed to enable the screen reader, out of the box.

Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same television, Not 
bad; not Bad at all.

Mark

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RE: Guess I have more configuring to do Was: Reading notifications on the lock screen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Debbie, it definitely will not hurt if you send an email to 
accessibil...@apple.com and tell them that the 
notification experience in iOS 16 for Voiceover users is not very good and ask 
them to p[lease fix it so Voiceover more reliably reads incoming notifications.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guess I have more configuring to do Was: Reading notifications on 
the lock screen

HI Sieghard,

Oh, I understand what you’re saying; what I meant by us not having to do their 
work was that since Apple broke the ability to have Voiceover read 
notifications on the locked screen and people are complaining about it; they 
should be the ones to come up with a workaround until they do fix that feature.

Of course, I’m not inclined to be the one to do all of the experimenting with 
different things like Katrina did but I am willing to try to emulate what she 
did and am most grateful for her work.

I’ve never been one who likes lots of customization but that’s just me!

I still hope they fix this issue soon so that notifications will once again be 
read aloud by Voiceover on the locked screen. At least that’s the way I prefer 
them.

Thanks for the article! That sounds interesting.

Debbie
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 1:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guess I have more configuring to do Was: Reading notifications on 
the lock screen

Debbie, the reason you have to do the work by which I mean you have to set up 
which notifications you want Siri to read is because not everybody wants all or 
for that matter any notifications read automatically. This is no different from 
having to select the voice you want or adding/removing/reordering rotor items. 
I am by the way not saying there isn't room for improvement which I am sure 
there is. It will be interesting if the rumoured custom accessibility mode or 
whatever it will be called will make it into iOS 16.2 since as of public beta 2 
it does only to be hinted at, here is more about it from 9to5Mac:

iOS 16.2 'Custom Accessibility Mode' with streamlined experience for iPhone and 
iPad
Apple on Tuesday released iOS 16.2 beta 2 to developers as the company gets 
ready to make the update available to the public in December. Officially, it 
adds the new Freeform collaboration app
and improvements to the Home app. Under the hood, 9to5Mac found out that Apple 
has been working on a new “Custom Accessibility Mode” that will provide a 
“streamlined” experience for iPhone and iPad.
Custom Accessibility Mode Codenamed “Clarity,” this new mode basically replaces 
Springboard (which is the main iOS interface) with a more streamlined one. The 
feature, which is
still unavailable to users in the current beta, will be available as an 
accessibility option, aimed at making the iPhone and iPad interface more 
user-friendly for those users who may find it too complicated.
Apple internally describes Custom Accessibility Mode as a “customizable, 
streamlined way to use your iPhone and iPad.” In some ways, the new mode should
work similarly to the current Guided Access mode, which lets users lock their 
device to a single app. However, Custom Accessibility Mode will let users 
navigate through the system with some restrictions.
For example, users will be able to set things like UI and larger text, apps 
available on the Home Screen, allowed contacts, and access to hardware buttons 
for when Custom Accessibility Mode is enabled. A password can be set to prevent 
others from changing these settings. A triple-click on the side button (or Home 
button) quickly enables and disables Custom Accessibility Mode.
Once the mode is activated, even the interface of the apps becomes extremely 
simplified and with larger elements.
Even though Apple has been working on this Custom Accessibility Mode feature 
with iOS 16.2, it’s unclear whether it will become available to users with the 
official release of the update or with a future version of iOS.
Here are some exclusive screenshots showing the Custom Accessibility Mode 
interface. The lock screen is simplified with a “Hold Down to Enter” while the 
home screen has giant icons with no Dock. Apple’s native apps eliminate almost 
every aspect of the regular interface in favor of focusing on important and 
large elements.
More about iOS 16.2
Besides Custom Accessibility Mode, iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 include a few 
notable changes. The Freeform collaboration app is now available to iPad, 
iPhone,
and Mac users. There are also changes to the Home app, updates to the Weather 
app, and more. Here’s a rundown of everything we’ve discovered so far:
• Apple News integration appears in Weather app on iOS 16.2 beta with relevant 
regional stories
• Apple to let users keep Live Activities updated more frequently with iOS 16.2
• iOS 

RE: LiDAR.

[Richard Turner]

Carolyn,

What app are you using?

 

Tha tis about all the Magnifier does that is built-in.

 

Try Seeing AI’s World channel or the Super Lidar app from the folks who make 
SuperSense.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 11:57 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: LiDAR.

 

I have it set up on my new pretty purple 14 Pro, but I think I must have to do 
more stuff. It will tell me door or person, but nothing else right now. 

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Re: Accessible cable TV replacements

[Rollin Hippler]

Hello Christopher,


You might get more responses if you ask your question over at the blind 
cord cutters list on freelists.org.



Rollin

On 11/11/2022 5:50 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


I asked about this a few weeks ago when I was thinking about SlingTV, 
but now I’m rethinking that decision. I’d like to pull the trigger on 
something this weekend. I’ve heard YouTube TV is accessible, but does 
anyone know about FuboTV or Hulu + Live TV? It doesn’t look like I’ll 
necessarily have a free trial before I’m committed. Thanks!


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Re: LiDAR.

[Alex Stone]

Carolyn, why don’t you send it to me, I’d be quite happy to keep it for you 

Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Nov 2022, at 19:57, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:


I have it set up on my new pretty purple 14 Pro, but I think I must have to do 
more stuff. It will tell me door or person, but nothing else right now.

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LiDAR.

[Carolyn]

I have it set up on my new pretty purple 14 Pro, but I think
I must have to do more stuff. It will tell me door or
person, but nothing else right now. 

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Re: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

[Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

Hi, I have a Samsung TV and she's accessible.

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RE: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

[Christopher Chaltain]

Thanks for the timely post Mark. I'm getting a Sony TV on Thursday. I was 
debating between that, a Samsung and an LG. I did some checking and they all 
seem to be accessible, but it's still reassuring to get your confirmation!

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Subject: Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same 
Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

Hello Everyone,

At approximately 6:18 PM, while eating dinner, the video output of my beloved 
off-brand 42-inch television gave up the ghost.  That's right, it just died.  
The sound was fine, however.  It was 12 years and 2 months old.
May it rest in piece.  (smile).

I went over to my local Best Buy and was amazed to discover the number of big 
screen televisions available for less than $200.  Interestingly, all of them 
were off-bands and offered the bare minimum hardware connectivity options.

It took me less than 15 minutes to decide on a Sony X85K Smart TV for several 
reasons not the least of which being that it has an ethernet port which allows 
one to instantly connect to the web without having to configure and disclose 
one's WIfI information.  This means that one can instantly disconnect the set 
from the web by merely disconnecting the cable.

A great many things have changed in accessible television technology since I 
last purchased a television.  So you can imagine how delighted I was to 
discover that this unit offers both Google Talkback and the Google TTS Screen 
Reader, as separate options, that make the set 100% accessible.

Without needing to first connect the set to the web, I was able to enable the 
unit's Google screen reader and configure the seemingly endless OS options.

I quickly connected my beloved Apple TV to the new set and I can enjoy both the 
Google TTS and VoiceOver without having to disable either.  Just as with Apple 
TV, the Google screen reader has a shortcut key button so one can quickly 
enable and disable the Android OS accessibility feature of choice.

The cost of the set was approximately $600.

Once the screen reader has been enabled, the set is wonderfully accessible to 
the blind and low vision.  However, in my opinion, sighted assistance is 
definitely needed to enable the screen reader, out of the box.

Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same television, Not 
bad; not Bad at all.

Mark

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Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same Television, Not Bad; Not Bad at All

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

At approximately 6:18 PM, while eating dinner, the video output of my
beloved off-brand 42-inch television gave up the ghost.  That's right, it
just died.  The sound was fine, however.  It was 12 years and 2 months old.
May it rest in piece.  (smile).

I went over to my local Best Buy and was amazed to discover the number of
big screen televisions available for less than $200.  Interestingly, all of
them were off-bands and offered the bare minimum hardware connectivity
options.

It took me less than 15 minutes to decide on a Sony X85K Smart TV for
several reasons not the least of which being that it has an ethernet port
which allows one to instantly connect to the web without having to configure
and disclose one's WIfI information.  This means that one can instantly
disconnect the set from the web by merely disconnecting the cable.

A great many things have changed in accessible television technology since I
last purchased a television.  So you can imagine how delighted I was to
discover that this unit offers both Google Talkback and the Google TTS
Screen Reader, as separate options, that make the set 100% accessible.

Without needing to first connect the set to the web, I was able to enable
the unit's Google screen reader and configure the seemingly endless OS
options.

I quickly connected my beloved Apple TV to the new set and I can enjoy both
the Google TTS and VoiceOver without having to disable either.  Just as with
Apple TV, the Google screen reader has a shortcut key button so one can
quickly enable and disable the Android OS accessibility feature of choice.

The cost of the set was approximately $600.

Once the screen reader has been enabled, the set is wonderfully accessible
to the blind and low vision.  However, in my opinion, sighted assistance is
definitely needed to enable the screen reader, out of the box.

Apple VoiceOver and Google TalkBack Screen Reader on the Same television,
Not bad; not Bad at all.

Mark

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RE: Guess I have more configuring to do Was: Reading notifications on the lock screen

[Debbie Downey]

HI Sieghard,

 

Oh, I understand what you’re saying; what I meant by us not having to do their 
work was that since Apple broke the ability to have Voiceover read 
notifications on the locked screen and people are complaining about it; they 
should be the ones to come up with a workaround until they do fix that feature. 

 

Of course, I’m not inclined to be the one to do all of the experimenting with 
different things like Katrina did but I am willing to try to emulate what she 
did and am most grateful for her work.   

 

I’ve never been one who likes lots of customization but that’s just me!

 

I still hope they fix this issue soon so that notifications will once again be 
read aloud by Voiceover on the locked screen. At least that’s the way I prefer 
them.

 

Thanks for the article! That sounds interesting.

 

Debbie 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 1:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guess I have more configuring to do Was: Reading notifications on 
the lock screen

 

Debbie, the reason you have to do the work by which I mean you have to set up 
which notifications you want Siri to read is because not everybody wants all or 
for that matter any notifications read automatically. This is no different from 
having to select the voice you want or adding/removing/reordering rotor items. 
I am by the way not saying there isn't room for improvement which I am sure 
there is. It will be interesting if the rumoured custom accessibility mode or 
whatever it will be called will make it into iOS 16.2 since as of public beta 2 
it does only to be hinted at, here is more about it from 9to5Mac:

 

iOS 16.2 'Custom Accessibility Mode' with streamlined experience for iPhone and 
iPad

Apple on Tuesday released iOS 16.2 beta 2 to developers as the company gets 
ready to make the update available to the public in December. Officially, it 
adds the new Freeform collaboration app

and improvements to the Home app. Under the hood, 9to5Mac found out that Apple 
has been working on a new “Custom Accessibility Mode” that will provide a 
“streamlined” experience for iPhone and iPad.

Custom Accessibility Mode Codenamed “Clarity,” this new mode basically replaces 
Springboard (which is the main iOS interface) with a more streamlined one. The 
feature, which is

still unavailable to users in the current beta, will be available as an 
accessibility option, aimed at making the iPhone and iPad interface more 
user-friendly for those users who may find it too complicated.

Apple internally describes Custom Accessibility Mode as a “customizable, 
streamlined way to use your iPhone and iPad.” In some ways, the new mode should

work similarly to the current Guided Access mode, which lets users lock their 
device to a single app. However, Custom Accessibility Mode will let users 
navigate through the system with some restrictions.

For example, users will be able to set things like UI and larger text, apps 
available on the Home Screen, allowed contacts, and access to hardware buttons 
for when Custom Accessibility Mode is enabled. A password can be set to prevent 
others from changing these settings. A triple-click on the side button (or Home 
button) quickly enables and disables Custom Accessibility Mode.

Once the mode is activated, even the interface of the apps becomes extremely 
simplified and with larger elements. 

Even though Apple has been working on this Custom Accessibility Mode feature 
with iOS 16.2, it’s unclear whether it will become available to users with the 
official release of the update or with a future version of iOS.

Here are some exclusive screenshots showing the Custom Accessibility Mode 
interface. The lock screen is simplified with a “Hold Down to Enter” while the 
home screen has giant icons with no Dock. Apple’s native apps eliminate almost 
every aspect of the regular interface in favor of focusing on important and 
large elements.

More about iOS 16.2

Besides Custom Accessibility Mode, iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 include a few 
notable changes. The Freeform collaboration app is now available to iPad, 
iPhone,

and Mac users. There are also changes to the Home app, updates to the Weather 
app, and more. Here’s a rundown of everything we’ve discovered so far:

• Apple News integration appears in Weather app on iOS 16.2 beta with relevant 
regional stories

• Apple to let users keep Live Activities updated more frequently with iOS 16.2

• iOS 16.2 beta introduces new architecture to the Home app for a more reliable 
experience

 

• iOS 16.2 adds new Sleep widget for your Lock Screen, Medications widget also 
coming soon

 

• iOS 16.2 lets users report to Apple when Emergency SOS is unintentionally 
triggered

 

• tvOS 16.2 beta brings multi-user voice recognition to Siri on Apple TV.

• iPadOS 16.2 beta adds Freeform collaboration app, Stage Manager external 
display support

According to reporting from Bloomberg, iOS 

Re: Finding and opening attachmentns.

[Richard Turner]

one problem is that if it is an image; it may be imbedded in the message and 
not a old style attachment.
Then, I think you are stuck with the vertical scroll nonsense. 
If a file, I've always been able to use the old method you mentioned.
How to avoid images being imbedded is the $64000 question.




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> On Nov 12, 2022, at 3:12 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>Can anyone tell me the easiest way to access and open attachments running 
> the latest IOS?
> 
>   It used to be easy, just go down to the bottom  of the message and there 
> they were. But now , you have to use the virtical slider thingy, and then, if 
> you can find one attachemtn, you have to do the same again for the next, as 
> it always seems to jump back to the top of the message!
> 
>There must be a better way!
> 
> Sandy.
> 
> Sent from The dark side of the moon
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Finding and opening attachmentns.

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Can anyone tell me the easiest way to access and open attachments running 
the latest IOS?

   It used to be easy, just go down to the bottom  of the message and there 
they were. But now , you have to use the virtical slider thingy, and then, if 
you can find one attachemtn, you have to do the same again for the next, as it 
always seems to jump back to the top of the message!

There must be a better way!

Sandy.

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