RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
You will never have a bug free experience. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 9:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it was plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring when Apple squashed most of them. I was nagged to update but never did until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience. Kelly On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I > didn't want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE > 2020 which is certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some > reason he wants to stay on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. > I think sometimes people accidently tap something not realizing they > just agreed to having an update install later, but you do have to > enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never done an iOS > update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the case > and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Michael McKay > Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time > we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch > blog > > Hi folks: > > It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the > computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later > it will update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. > I’ve tried on my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it > updating on its own even if the automatic update feature is turned > off. Just thought I would let folks know that so please be aware of > that > > Have a happy and safe Easter weekend. > > Cheers! > > Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05. > Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April >> 6, >> 2023 at 8:41 AM >> >> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed >> installing them? >> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change. >> >> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things >> that we like about the iPhone in particular >> >> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it >> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal. >> >> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately. >> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any >> other Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install >> the updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs? >> >> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm >> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone >> else found the bugs instead. >> >> We've been here before >> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, >> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was. >> >> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without >> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some >> way or another. >> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an >> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are >> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service >> running on every restart? >> >> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. >> Things are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can >> cope with opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing >> with my opinion. >> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software. >> >> New iOS and macOS problems >> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic. >> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report >> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a >> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead >> in the water. >> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device >> when you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It >> just, doesn't. >> The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are >> features that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't, >> presumably because some service deep inside macOS is broken. >> Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should >> expect software updates not to break things that were working before. >> The first rule of software
Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
I got my iphone 5 in October, 2012, with IOS6 on it. The worst IOS update I remembaer was IOS 8. I don't remember all the details now, but among other things, there was something majorly wrong with the telephone part. That is why I waited until April, 2015, after 8.3 was released to get my Iphone 6. I usually wait until the first major update to a new ios is released before installing it, I didn't install16 until 16.2. I kno w it says all these updates contain security updates, they very well may, but I'll bet there is a little propaganda there, too, so people will install the update right away. I will never turn automatic updating on, I want to tell it when myself. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 3 On Apr 8, 2023, at 9:28 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote: For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it was plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring when Apple squashed most of them. I was nagged to update but never did until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience. Kelly On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't > want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is > certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay > on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people > accidently tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update > install later, but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at > least I have never done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 > where this was not the case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates > if you don't want them. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Michael McKay > Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we > delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog > > Hi folks: > > It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the > computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will > update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on > my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own > even if the automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let > folks know that so please be aware of that > > Have a happy and safe Easter weekend. > > Cheers! > > Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05. > Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor wrote: >> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6, >> 2023 at 8:41 AM >> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed >> installing them? >> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change. >> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that >> we like about the iPhone in particular >> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it >> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal. >> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately. >> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other >> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the >> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs? >> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm >> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone >> else found the bugs instead. >> We've been here before >> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, >> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was. >> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without >> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or >> another. >> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an >> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are >> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service >> running on every restart? >> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things >> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with >> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my >> opinion. >> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software. >> New iOS and macOS problems >> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic. >> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report >> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a >> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the >> water. >> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when >> you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just, >> doesn't. >>
RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
What does Windows Enterprise 11 have to do with anything related to the iPhone? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Daniel MacDonald Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 9:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog totally agree. that is why my iPhone is not going to be used after if fisically does not boot. I bought the enterprize edition of Windows 11 for this exact reason. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote: > > For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it > was plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring > when Apple squashed most of them. I was nagged to update but never > did until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience. > > Kelly > > > >> On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I >> didn't want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE >> 2020 which is certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some >> reason he wants to stay on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is >> on. I think sometimes people accidently tap something not realizing >> they just agreed to having an update install later, but you do have >> to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never done an >> iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the >> case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Michael McKay >> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it >> time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod >> touch blog >> >> Hi folks: >> >> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the >> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later >> it will update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. >> I’ve tried on my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it >> updating on its own even if the automatic update feature is turned >> off. Just thought I would let folks know that so please be aware of >> that >> >> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend. >> >> Cheers! >> >> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05. >> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April >>> 6, >>> 2023 at 8:41 AM >>> >>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed >>> installing them? >>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change. >>> >>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things >>> that we like about the iPhone in particular >>> >>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes >>> it introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal. >>> >>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately. >>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any >>> other Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install >>> the updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs? >>> >>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm >>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that >>> someone else found the bugs instead. >>> >>> We've been here before >>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, >>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was. >>> >>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without >>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some >>> way or another. >>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's >>> an argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things >>> are as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or >>> service running on every restart? >>> >>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. >>> Things are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can >>> cope with opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing >>> with my opinion. >>> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software. >>> >>> New iOS and macOS problems >>> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic. >>> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 >>> report that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal >>> Control is a mess right now, while other Continuity-based features >>> are also dead in the water. >>> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device >>> when you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work
Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
totally agree. that is why my iPhone is not going to be used after if fisically does not boot. I bought the enterprize edition of Windows 11 for this exact reason. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote: > > For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it was > plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring when > Apple squashed most of them. I was nagged to update but never did > until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience. > > Kelly > > > >> On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't >> want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is >> certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay >> on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people >> accidently tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update >> install later, but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at >> least I have never done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 >> where this was not the case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates >> if you don't want them. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Michael McKay >> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we >> delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog >> >> Hi folks: >> >> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the >> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will >> update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on >> my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own >> even if the automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let >> folks know that so please be aware of that >> >> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend. >> >> Cheers! >> >> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05. >> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6, >>> 2023 at 8:41 AM >>> >>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed >>> installing them? >>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change. >>> >>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that >>> we like about the iPhone in particular >>> >>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it >>> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal. >>> >>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately. >>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other >>> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the >>> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs? >>> >>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm >>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone >>> else found the bugs instead. >>> >>> We've been here before >>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, >>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was. >>> >>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without >>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or >>> another. >>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an >>> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are >>> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service >>> running on every restart? >>> >>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things >>> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with >>> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my >>> opinion. >>> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software. >>> >>> New iOS and macOS problems >>> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic. >>> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report >>> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a >>> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the >>> water. >>> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when >>> you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just, >>> doesn't. >>> The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are >>> features that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't, >>> presumably because some service deep inside macOS is broken. >>> Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should >>> expect software updates not to break things that were working before. >>> The first rule of software updates should be that
RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
Same here, I have always had to enter my pin and agree to Apples bla, bla, bla agreement, LOL! Steve Cook Friends of SC Association of Guide Dog Users, you're invited to take part in the most delicious fundraiser of the year. By ordering a dozen (or two) original glazed doughnuts, 50% of the order will be donated back to SC Association of Guide Dog Users! You can get your dozens using our fundraising sales page below. https://www.groupraise.com/offer-campaigns/10563-sc-association-of-guide-dog-users-krispy-kreme-digital-dozens -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 3:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people accidently tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update install later, but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Michael McKay Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog Hi folks: It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own even if the automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let folks know that so please be aware of that Have a happy and safe Easter weekend. Cheers! Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05. Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor wrote: > > iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6, > 2023 at 8:41 AM > > Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed > installing them? > Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change. > > Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that > we like about the iPhone in particular > > Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it > introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal. > > I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately. > Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other > Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the > updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs? > > But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm > starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone > else found the bugs instead. > > We've been here before > Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, > although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was. > > There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without > someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or > another. > Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an > argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are > as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service > running on every restart? > > But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things > are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with > opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my opinion. > What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software. > > New iOS and macOS problems > Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic. > For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report > that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a > mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the > water. > Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when > you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just, > doesn't. > The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are > features that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't, > presumably because some service deep inside macOS is broken. > Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should > expect software updates not to
Re: Chapters in apple podcasts
The Podcasts app does support chapters. You need to have the full player open by double tapping on the album art to expand from the mini player. It's similar to how the full player works in the music app. Once that's done, make certain that the chapters are shown. If they are, the button beside them will say hide. It may be helpful to hide the show notes. Next, you will need screen recognition on in order to flick right through the available chapters. Double tap on the one you want to move to. So far as I can tell, there are no butttons for skipping backwards and forwards by chapter. However, you might be able to set that in the settings app under podcasts. Hope that helps. Other podcast apps like Podcast Guru, Overcast and Castro make navigating by chapters much easier. -- Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: Getting The Most From iOS as a Totally Blind User http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-second-edition-of-personal-power.html?m=1 Mastodon: @mfeir@mstdn.social Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Check out my blog at: http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.ca -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAE8cCzqRzYnds3P0%2BrE4wzwDTDBiYyNO%3DFMx76UZuX8UVF%2B66Q%40mail.gmail.com.
