Mark on iPhone 14 Pro Max Voice Over Gestures and the Kindle App for both iOS and iPad OS, Lately

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Okay, I know that there have been some threads on VO gestures, recently but
I've kind of gotten lost on who is saying what so, I will share my
experience, within the last 10 days, or so.

On both my 14 Pro Max and my beloved iPAD Pro 10.5 2017, running the latest
OS, in the Kindle app, when on any given page of a title, if I don't touch
the screen just right (whatever that means), let's say to switch to Audible
narration, I will be immediately jumped all the way back to the title's
Table of Contents.  This has happened more than 10 times on either device
and is quite jarring, to say the least.

I suspect this has something to do with the recent updates of the Kindle app
but cannot be certain.  

>From time-to-time, Apple quietly pushes out various fixes for various model
display drivers, security fixes, etc.  No doubt these quiet fixes may effect
VO performance, in some instances.  

I can tell you that a few weeks ago, they pushed out a quiet display driver
update because there was a very subtle difference in how some screen refresh
changes were rendered.

On the morning after the update, two university testing-lab acquaintances
asked if I had noticed the change on my 14.  While I could not have
described the difference I noticed, purse, I did notice that something about
the display rendering felt different.

My point is that we should all keep in mind that not every single change
Apple makes to the OS is publicized; especially where the flagship models
are concerned.

Then again, the problem may be with Amazon and the Kindle app.

For the past 2 days, I have not been able to reproduce the jump problem on
either my 14 Pro Max or my beloved iPad Pro 10.5 2017.

Just something to consider.

Mark


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RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

[M. Taylor]

Hello Kelly,

This is wonderful information.  Thank you for sharing it with us.

By the way, I love, love, love Micro Center.  It is one of the few remaining 
eclectic old-school brick & mortar computer and related technology stores left 
in the US.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

I bought a router a few weeks ago.  I bought my old router in 2015 when I 
changed Internet services.  It actually was free with the modem I purchased.  
In the last year, every few days, the router would stop working and need to be 
reset.  Earlier this year, my ISP increased my speed to 250 MBPS a second and 
my router was not coming close to this speed.  I searched online and learned 
the problem was very likely the router and not the modem.  I searched on Google 
for the best router and chose the top ranked router from PC Magazine.  This was 
the Asus Rt-AX86U Pro. I found my local Micro Center retailer had some in stock 
and traveled over there.  I printed out the specification sheet from the Micro 
Center website and handed it to the sales nerd in the router area in a brick 
and mortar retail location the size of a grocery store.  None of my routers 
were on the shelves.  When he looked at my paper, he exclaimed “This is a good 
router!” the $269 router was so desirable by criminal shoplifters that it was 
in the back of the store in a secure storage area.  He returned a few minutes 
later and brought the “good router” and me to a cashier where I bought the item.

The signal is strong. The router is on the top floor of a Chicago bungalow and 
the signal is strong and reliable in the basement,
backyard, and garage.   I am glad to have paid more money for a solid
and strong signal and performing product.  Yes, it can be the center of a mesh 
network and guest channels are possible.  Asus has an app and Web based router 
Interface that I used to set it up successfully, including choosing a network 
name and password. I would strongly recommend this router for a multi person 
household.

Kelly




On 7/10/23, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Same here, Mark.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of tai.toma...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 8:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates 
> from Mark
>
> Counterpoint: despite plugging things into surge protectors, I have 
> had several routers and modems destroyed by lightning during 
> thunderstorms. I would not want to be replacing those routers and 
> modems out of pocket, so I gladly rent the equipment. Also, it is 
> easier to upgrade to newer equipment when you are renting it from the 
> cable company, and it only costs a few bucks a month for me.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 4:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates 
> from Mark
>
> It's a rip off, I plan on buying my next router and modem cut down on 
> what I have to pay the cable company.
>
> On 7/8/23, Cris Ali  wrote:
>> No Sieghard, they do not stop charging for the modem; they consider 
>> it renting. Cable TV and Internet here in my area in Maryland is very 
>> expensive. I used to pay around 146 dollars a month, even though I 
>> have my own modem, which saved me 15 dollars a month. I canceled the 
>> cable TV and kept the internet. Now I am paying 90 a month with a 2 
>> years contract.
>> Thanks to my iPhone and iPad I can brouse tv programs and news using 
>> various apps without difficultes.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> But considering that you are paying them probably a fairly good 
>>> amount of money for your monthly servicve, I really have a problem 
>>> with them charging for a modem which costs a few hundred Dollars.
>>> Chances are it is paid after 2 or 3 years and I doubt they will stop 
>>> charging  you.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Carolyn Arnold
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 7:15 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates 
>>> from Mark
>>>
>>> Our provider charges six dollars a month for modem - worth it to me, 
>>> since, if anything goes wrong, they could not get away with blaming 
>>> it on a modem from Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2023 9:52 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: A Big Hello and General 

RE: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS

[M. Taylor]

Of course, you are correct, my friend.

Now that I think about it, I think my biggest fear about becoming a ham was 
having to learn Morris code.  In all of the television shows and movies, etc. 
I've seen, Morris seems so complicated and mysterious.  

As a very kind list member informed me, off-list, earlier today, one does not 
need to learn Morris, any longer in order to be a ham.

Still, I think I'd like to try my hand at learning Morris code.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS

And if you fail then you try again, I am sure failing this test will not mean  
you can't try again. 
Life is too short to be afaraid of failure.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS

Hi,

You know, there are not a great many things on my bucket list but one of the 
items is becoming a ham.

I have wanted to become a ham for over 30 years but have not done so, to be 
honest, because of my fear of failing the licensing tests.

Now I don't know much about it but back in the 80s I had a couple of friends 
who wanted to get their licenses but failed to do so.

I don't want to go off topic, on this, but if anyone of you hams would like to 
send me the steps on how to go about getting a license and an blind and/or low 
vision accessible way to go about it, send me a reply, off-list, as I would 
greatly appreciate it.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
kheve...@fuse.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 11:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS

Mark, being the ham radio op that I am, I can't resist the temptation to 
suggest you get a ham radio license.  That would enable you to use a "handy 
talky" which would allow for great communication.  The two of you might have 
been able to use an app called echolink. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 1:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS

Hello Everyone,

Earlier this weekend I and a friend were up in the San Francisco airport 
waiting on a flight back to Los Angeles.

As we had quite a bit of time before our flight, we decided to explore the 
airport, separately, and meet back at the gate after a While.

I thought this would be a great opportunity to actually use the Walkie Talkie 
app on our Apple Watches to stay in touch.

It didn't work as well as I had hoped.  For one thing, there were so many 
people crowded in the airport that I couldn't hear the speaker on the watch 
when she tried to reach me.  Add the ambient noise of all the people, coupled 
with the endless and continuous flight announcements, and, for me, at least, it 
was an impossible situation.  I had to hold my wrist against my ear and I felt 
silly doing it and my arm got tired, very quickly.

Second, when I tried to use my Airpods to connect directly to the watch???
Well, let's just say that my VoiceOver / Walkie Talkie app experience was not a 
good one.

Although I have used the walkie talkie app many, many times, when at home, this 
was the first time I had tried using it out in the wild, as it were.

She told me that she could not hear me on her watch, either, for the same 
reason.  Now she has quote, normal, quote hearing, relative to mine; so I know 
that the problem was not completely owing to my poor hearing.

So, the question:

Can you recommend a simple push-to-talk walkie talkie app that will work on 
iPhone?  

When I search the app store I see so many but really have no idea of which one 
is best for VoiceOver users.

Now I just want a simple app that works as much like the walkie talkie app on 
the watch but, of course, works on the phone.

I read, somewhere, that Microsoft Team has a pretty good walkie talkie app 
feature but I'm not certain if it will work in a non-enterprise scenario, 
between only 2 people.

Just so you know, we ended up using text messages to stay in contact in the 
airport but it would have been nice to use a more direct voice interface.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

[Kelly Pierce]

I bought a router a few weeks ago.  I bought my old router in 2015
when I changed Internet services.  It actually was free with the modem
I purchased.  In the last year, every few days, the router would stop
working and need to be reset.  Earlier this year, my ISP increased my
speed to 250 MBPS a second and my router was not coming close to this
speed.  I searched online and learned the problem was very likely the
router and not the modem.  I searched on Google for the best router
and chose the top ranked router from PC Magazine.  This was the Asus
Rt-AX86U Pro. I found my local Micro Center retailer had some in stock
and traveled over there.  I printed out the specification sheet from
the Micro Center website and handed it to the sales nerd in the router
area in a brick and mortar retail location the size of a grocery
store.  None of my routers were on the shelves.  When he looked at my
paper, he exclaimed “This is a good router!” the $269 router was so
desirable by criminal shoplifters that it was in the back of the store
in a secure storage area.  He returned a few minutes later and brought
the “good router” and me to a cashier where I bought the item.

The signal is strong. The router is on the top floor of a Chicago
bungalow and the signal is strong and reliable in the basement,
backyard, and garage.   I am glad to have paid more money for a solid
and strong signal and performing product.  Yes, it can be the center
of a mesh network and guest channels are possible.  Asus has an app
and Web based router Interface that I used to set it up successfully,
including choosing a network name and password. I would strongly
recommend this router for a multi person household.

Kelly




On 7/10/23, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Same here, Mark.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of tai.toma...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 8:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from
> Mark
>
> Counterpoint: despite plugging things into surge protectors, I have had
> several routers and modems destroyed by lightning during thunderstorms. I
> would not want to be replacing those routers and modems out of pocket, so I
> gladly rent the equipment. Also, it is easier to upgrade to newer equipment
> when you are renting it from the cable company, and it only costs a few
> bucks a month for me.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> lenron brown
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 4:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from
> Mark
>
> It's a rip off, I plan on buying my next router and modem cut down on what I
> have to pay the cable company.
>
> On 7/8/23, Cris Ali  wrote:
>> No Sieghard, they do not stop charging for the modem; they consider it
>> renting. Cable TV and Internet here in my area in Maryland is very
>> expensive. I used to pay around 146 dollars a month, even though I
>> have my own modem, which saved me 15 dollars a month. I canceled the
>> cable TV and kept the internet. Now I am paying 90 a month with a 2 years
>> contract.
>> Thanks to my iPhone and iPad I can brouse tv programs and news using
>> various apps without difficultes.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> But considering that you are paying them probably a fairly good
>>> amount of money for your monthly servicve, I really have a problem
>>> with them charging for a modem which costs a few hundred Dollars.
>>> Chances are it is paid after 2 or 3 years and I doubt they will stop
>>> charging  you.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Carolyn Arnold
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 7:15 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates
>>> from Mark
>>>
>>> Our provider charges six dollars a month for modem - worth it to me,
>>> since, if anything goes wrong, they could not get away with blaming
>>> it on a modem from Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2023 9:52 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates
>>> from Mark
>>>
>>> Hmm, I know here in Canada we pay some of the highest prices for cell
>>> plans and also internet, but I certainly was never charged for a
>>> modem. I am currently with a relatively small regional provider as
>>> they have been installing fiber cables throughout our small community
>>> for years whereas Telus, the big player, can't be bothered to do so.
>>> When I first signed up for my business as well as my home to get a
>>> fiber connection the company sent out an installer 

RE: changes with voicedream apps

[M. Taylor]

Hello Ivan and Everyone,

This topic has gone far beyond the scope of this forum.  

Consequently, this thread is to be terminated, immediately.

Do not reply to this post or this thread as doing so will result in the 
immediate suspension of your posting privileges.

Thank you all.

Moderator Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 12:29 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: changes with voicedream apps

Mary,

I appreciate that you looked on my app on Android. 

If you read my posts I expect that at least 90% of current Voice Dream Reader 
won’t switch. 

However I also expect that 99% of new users will use Speech Central. Let’s be 
honest, if you have never ever used any app and your mind wasn’t accommodated 
to Voice Dream specific design for years, would you pay 80$/year for it or 
would you pick Speech Central for free?
I don’t see what is your problem that I try to reach to people that need this 
information in render to help them. 

As said again I don’t have any problem with anyone using Voice Dream. But I do 
have the problem on people commenting that it is worth 80$/year while my app is 
not worth of a single download even that it has many features that Voice Dream 
doesn’t have and can be left on device as the second app if nothing else. 

Regarding the work on the app, I do plan to release by the end of the year new 
version that will have more new features than cumulative Voice Dream updates in 
the last five years. Hopefully that’s enough?
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:08:05 PM UTC+2 Mary Otten wrote:
I wish you would put as much effort into that app that you’re so proud of as 
this thread. Give it up. Make your own app so great that people will just love 
it. I don’t. I tried it on android and couldn’t make heads or tails of it. 
Different OS of course. But I’m happy with Voice Dream right now, so why should 
I try a different app if Voice Dream does what I want? I’ve used it for years 
and continue to do so. Make your abs so good that you make me want to change. 
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 12, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
Sieghard,

Just in this thread Richard has quoted the "sustainability" and "maintenance" 
as important reason why some app needs the 60$/year subscription (which is now 
higher but he found that initial value as acceptable). He clearly was very 
supportive regarding this.

Independent of Voice Dream, I think it is important question to educate the 
community regarding this, if you agree?

Just to say that I don't think that people will use my app because they like me 
or don't like me. Most of the people used Voice Dream because someone 
recommended that to them and because it is a really well made app.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:49:24 PM UTC+2 Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Ivan, I think this topic is pretty much exhausted by now. Richard is clearly 
not Winston and Winston has sold his app so why continue to badger him to 
respond to these snippets of whatever emails have been sent. I got Voice Dream 
Reader a long time ago and I can't remember if it was free at the time or if I 
paid something for it, but I don't hardly use it and when I do then it's maybe 
to listen to an audio book in MNP3 format. I don't listen to books which are in 
text format because I simply don'tenjoy it compared to listening to a real 
human reader, but I do keep it on my iPhone and I noticed many updates since 
the new company bought it. Granted, they just say "bug fixes and performance 
improvements" and no specifics are given, but specifics or not I assume any 
small fixes they implement are hopefully a good thing and at least you can see 
that they seem to be commited to the product. It is my understanding that 
anybody who owned the product before does not have to pay the subscription 
price, if it came to a point where I had to pay it then I would probably not do 
so because as I said, I use a very small part of what the app is capable of and 
I am sure I can find a free alternative for that.
One last comment, for me if I see and read a lot of the type of posts you have 
posted which are very confrontational and defensive, it does not want to make 
me use your app should I ever be in a position where I may want to use it. I am 
not saying I absolutely wouldn't use it, but the more you post and continue 
stirring the pot about this the less I would be likely to try your app. It's 
childish and immature and  you have to learn to get over it; focus on your app 
and what it does well, make it better and point out these things.
I truly wish you wel lwith your app and that it is successful and that it will 
help people for years to come, but just let it go and stop this pissing contest 
which isn't useful to anybody.
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
From: mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:25 AM
To: VIPhone 

Re: changes with voicedream apps

[Alex Stone]

I don’t want to be accused of trying to teach grandma to suck eggs, but please ban this fool!iphone+ow...@googlegroups.comOn 12 Jul 2023, at 20:28, Ivan Icin  wrote:Mary,I appreciate that you looked on my app on Android. If you read my posts I expect that at least 90% of current Voice Dream Reader won’t switch. However I also expect that 99% of new users will use Speech Central. Let’s be honest, if you have never ever used any app and your mind wasn’t accommodated to Voice Dream specific design for years, would you pay 80$/year for it or would you pick Speech Central for free?I don’t see what is your problem that I try to reach to people that need this information in render to help them. As said again I don’t have any problem with anyone using Voice Dream. But I do have the problem on people commenting that it is worth 80$/year while my app is not worth of a single download even that it has many features that Voice Dream doesn’t have and can be left on device as the second app if nothing else. Regarding the work on the app, I do plan to release by the end of the year new version that will have more new features than cumulative Voice Dream updates in the last five years. Hopefully that’s enough?On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:08:05 PM UTC+2 Mary Otten wrote:I wish you would put as much effort into that app that you’re so proud of as this thread. Give it up. Make your own app so great that people will just love it. I don’t. I tried it on android and couldn’t make heads or tails of it. Different OS of course. But I’m happy with Voice Dream right now, so why should I try a different app if Voice Dream does what I want? I’ve used it for years and continue to do so. Make your abs so good that you make me want to change. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 12, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Sieghard,Just in this thread Richard has quoted the "sustainability" and "maintenance" as important reason why some app needs the 60$/year subscription (which is now higher but he found that initial value as acceptable). He clearly was very supportive regarding this.Independent of Voice Dream, I think it is important question to educate the community regarding this, if you agree?Just to say that I don't think that people will use my app because they like me or don't like me. Most of the people used Voice Dream because someone recommended that to them and because it is a really well made app.On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:49:24 PM UTC+2 Sieghard Weitzel wrote:







Ivan, I think this topic is pretty much exhausted by now. Richard is clearly not Winston and Winston has sold his app so why continue to badger him to respond to these snippets of whatever emails have been sent. I got Voice Dream Reader
 a long time ago and I can't remember if it was free at the time or if I paid something for it, but I don't hardly use it and when I do then it's maybe to listen to an audio book in MNP3 format. I don't listen to books which are in text format because I simply
 don'tenjoy it compared to listening to a real human reader, but I do keep it on my iPhone and I noticed many updates since the new company bought it. Granted, they just say "bug fixes and performance improvements" and no specifics are given, but specifics
 or not I assume any small fixes they implement are hopefully a good thing and at least you can see that they seem to be commited to the product. It is my understanding that anybody who owned the product before does not have to pay the subscription price, if
 it came to a point where I had to pay it then I would probably not do so because as I said, I use a very small part of what the app is capable of and I am sure I can find a free alternative for that.
One last comment, for me if I see and read a lot of the type of posts you have posted which are very confrontational and defensive, it does not want to make me use your app should I ever be in a position where I may want to use it. I am
 not saying I absolutely wouldn't use it, but the more you post and continue stirring the pot about this the less I would be likely to try your app. It's childish and immature and  you have to learn to get over it; focus on your app and what it does well, make
 it better and point out these things.
I truly wish you wel lwith your app and that it is successful and that it will help people for years to come, but just let it go and stop this pissing contest which isn't useful to anybody.
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:25 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: changes with voicedream apps

 
One question for Richard, how he would describe this. 

 


Winston said at the launch of the Mac app that he had spent most of the time in last two years in building this app. Right after that he said that maintenance of the app takes too much time and he has hard time to keep up with that and
 that’s why all 

Re: changes with voicedream apps

[Ivan Icin]

Mary,

I appreciate that you looked on my app on Android. 

If you read my posts I expect that at least 90% of current Voice Dream 
Reader won’t switch. 

However I also expect that 99% of new users will use Speech Central. Let’s 
be honest, if you have never ever used any app and your mind wasn’t 
accommodated to Voice Dream specific design for years, would you pay 
80$/year for it or would you pick Speech Central for free?

I don’t see what is your problem that I try to reach to people that need 
this information in render to help them. 

As said again I don’t have any problem with anyone using Voice Dream. But I 
do have the problem on people commenting that it is worth 80$/year while my 
app is not worth of a single download even that it has many features that 
Voice Dream doesn’t have and can be left on device as the second app if 
nothing else. 

Regarding the work on the app, I do plan to release by the end of the year 
new version that will have more new features than cumulative Voice Dream 
updates in the last five years. Hopefully that’s enough?
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:08:05 PM UTC+2 Mary Otten wrote:

> I wish you would put as much effort into that app that you’re so proud of 
> as this thread. Give it up. Make your own app so great that people will 
> just love it. I don’t. I tried it on android and couldn’t make heads or 
> tails of it. Different OS of course. But I’m happy with Voice Dream right 
> now, so why should I try a different app if Voice Dream does what I want? 
> I’ve used it for years and continue to do so. Make your abs so good that 
> you make me want to change. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>
> Sieghard,
>
>
> Just in this thread Richard has quoted the "sustainability" and 
> "maintenance" as important reason why some app needs the 60$/year 
> subscription (which is now higher but he found that initial value as 
> acceptable). He clearly was very supportive regarding this.
>
> Independent of Voice Dream, I think it is important question to educate 
> the community regarding this, if you agree?
>
> Just to say that I don't think that people will use my app because they 
> like me or don't like me. Most of the people used Voice Dream because 
> someone recommended that to them and because it is a really well made app.
>
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:49:24 PM UTC+2 Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>
>> Ivan, I think this topic is pretty much exhausted by now. Richard is 
>> clearly not Winston and Winston has sold his app so why continue to badger 
>> him to respond to these snippets of whatever emails have been sent. I got 
>> Voice Dream Reader a long time ago and I can't remember if it was free at 
>> the time or if I paid something for it, but I don't hardly use it and when 
>> I do then it's maybe to listen to an audio book in MNP3 format. I don't 
>> listen to books which are in text format because I simply don'tenjoy it 
>> compared to listening to a real human reader, but I do keep it on my iPhone 
>> and I noticed many updates since the new company bought it. Granted, they 
>> just say "bug fixes and performance improvements" and no specifics are 
>> given, but specifics or not I assume any small fixes they implement are 
>> hopefully a good thing and at least you can see that they seem to be 
>> commited to the product. It is my understanding that anybody who owned the 
>> product before does not have to pay the subscription price, if it came to a 
>> point where I had to pay it then I would probably not do so because as I 
>> said, I use a very small part of what the app is capable of and I am sure I 
>> can find a free alternative for that.
>>
>> One last comment, for me if I see and read a lot of the type of posts you 
>> have posted which are very confrontational and defensive, it does not want 
>> to make me use your app should I ever be in a position where I may want to 
>> use it. I am not saying I absolutely wouldn't use it, but the more you post 
>> and continue stirring the pot about this the less I would be likely to try 
>> your app. It's childish and immature and  you have to learn to get over it; 
>> focus on your app and what it does well, make it better and point out these 
>> things.
>>
>> I truly wish you wel lwith your app and that it is successful and that it 
>> will help people for years to come, but just let it go and stop this 
>> pissing contest which isn't useful to anybody.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Sieghard
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of 
>> *Ivan 
>> Icin
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:25 AM
>> *To:* VIPhone 
>> *Subject:* Re: changes with voicedream apps
>>
>>  
>>
>> One question for Richard, how he would describe this. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Winston said at the launch of the Mac app that he had spent most of the 
>> time in last two years in building this app. Right after that he said that 
>> maintenance of the app takes too much time and he has 

Re: changes with voicedream apps

[Alex Stone]

I’m my humble opinion someone ought to ban his ass! His opinions got very boring very quickly!On 12 Jul 2023, at 20:08, Mary Otten  wrote:I wish you would put as much effort into that app that you’re so proud of as this thread. Give it up. Make your own app so great that people will just love it. I don’t. I tried it on android and couldn’t make heads or tails of it. Different OS of course. But I’m happy with Voice Dream right now, so why should I try a different app if Voice Dream does what I want? I’ve used it for years and continue to do so. Make your abs so good that you make me want to change. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 12, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Sieghard,Just in this thread Richard has quoted the "sustainability" and "maintenance" as important reason why some app needs the 60$/year subscription (which is now higher but he found that initial value as acceptable). He clearly was very supportive regarding this.Independent of Voice Dream, I think it is important question to educate the community regarding this, if you agree?Just to say that I don't think that people will use my app because they like me or don't like me. Most of the people used Voice Dream because someone recommended that to them and because it is a really well made app.On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:49:24 PM UTC+2 Sieghard Weitzel wrote:







Ivan, I think this topic is pretty much exhausted by now. Richard is clearly not Winston and Winston has sold his app so why continue to badger him to respond to these snippets of whatever emails have been sent. I got Voice Dream Reader
 a long time ago and I can't remember if it was free at the time or if I paid something for it, but I don't hardly use it and when I do then it's maybe to listen to an audio book in MNP3 format. I don't listen to books which are in text format because I simply
 don'tenjoy it compared to listening to a real human reader, but I do keep it on my iPhone and I noticed many updates since the new company bought it. Granted, they just say "bug fixes and performance improvements" and no specifics are given, but specifics
 or not I assume any small fixes they implement are hopefully a good thing and at least you can see that they seem to be commited to the product. It is my understanding that anybody who owned the product before does not have to pay the subscription price, if
 it came to a point where I had to pay it then I would probably not do so because as I said, I use a very small part of what the app is capable of and I am sure I can find a free alternative for that.
One last comment, for me if I see and read a lot of the type of posts you have posted which are very confrontational and defensive, it does not want to make me use your app should I ever be in a position where I may want to use it. I am
 not saying I absolutely wouldn't use it, but the more you post and continue stirring the pot about this the less I would be likely to try your app. It's childish and immature and  you have to learn to get over it; focus on your app and what it does well, make
 it better and point out these things.
I truly wish you wel lwith your app and that it is successful and that it will help people for years to come, but just let it go and stop this pissing contest which isn't useful to anybody.
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:25 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: changes with voicedream apps

 
One question for Richard, how he would describe this. 

 


Winston said at the launch of the Mac app that he had spent most of the time in last two years in building this app. Right after that he said that maintenance of the app takes too much time and he has hard time to keep up with that and
 that’s why all changes are needed. 


 


Do I miss something or he clearly said that for two years he put very little effort in updating the iOS app and everything worked properly? There is still a blog post on that so everything can be checked. 



On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:17:57 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:


To be precise the problem is in that narrative that one man business is inherently unsustainable. 

 


It is like claiming that bigger boat is more sustainable. Out of context that may sound true, but in shallow waters small boat is better. 


 


If the market is really big then you could say that big corp is better than one man show. But if it isn’t the big corp won’t be able to handle its weight. The corporation needs not just wages but also much more expensive infrastructure
 and profits. P


 



On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:24:32 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:


Richard,

 


I am not calling him a lier, I haven't said more than what I have said and that is your word, but let's say that it is a spin if you insist on qualifying that, or maybe even better a questionable conclusion process that may not come from
 the intention to "lie".


 


You 

Re: changes with voicedream apps

[Mary Otten]

I wish you would put as much effort into that app that you’re so proud of as this thread. Give it up. Make your own app so great that people will just love it. I don’t. I tried it on android and couldn’t make heads or tails of it. Different OS of course. But I’m happy with Voice Dream right now, so why should I try a different app if Voice Dream does what I want? I’ve used it for years and continue to do so. Make your abs so good that you make me want to change. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 12, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Sieghard,Just in this thread Richard has quoted the "sustainability" and "maintenance" as important reason why some app needs the 60$/year subscription (which is now higher but he found that initial value as acceptable). He clearly was very supportive regarding this.Independent of Voice Dream, I think it is important question to educate the community regarding this, if you agree?Just to say that I don't think that people will use my app because they like me or don't like me. Most of the people used Voice Dream because someone recommended that to them and because it is a really well made app.On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:49:24 PM UTC+2 Sieghard Weitzel wrote:







Ivan, I think this topic is pretty much exhausted by now. Richard is clearly not Winston and Winston has sold his app so why continue to badger him to respond to these snippets of whatever emails have been sent. I got Voice Dream Reader
 a long time ago and I can't remember if it was free at the time or if I paid something for it, but I don't hardly use it and when I do then it's maybe to listen to an audio book in MNP3 format. I don't listen to books which are in text format because I simply
 don'tenjoy it compared to listening to a real human reader, but I do keep it on my iPhone and I noticed many updates since the new company bought it. Granted, they just say "bug fixes and performance improvements" and no specifics are given, but specifics
 or not I assume any small fixes they implement are hopefully a good thing and at least you can see that they seem to be commited to the product. It is my understanding that anybody who owned the product before does not have to pay the subscription price, if
 it came to a point where I had to pay it then I would probably not do so because as I said, I use a very small part of what the app is capable of and I am sure I can find a free alternative for that.
One last comment, for me if I see and read a lot of the type of posts you have posted which are very confrontational and defensive, it does not want to make me use your app should I ever be in a position where I may want to use it. I am
 not saying I absolutely wouldn't use it, but the more you post and continue stirring the pot about this the less I would be likely to try your app. It's childish and immature and  you have to learn to get over it; focus on your app and what it does well, make
 it better and point out these things.
I truly wish you wel lwith your app and that it is successful and that it will help people for years to come, but just let it go and stop this pissing contest which isn't useful to anybody.
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:25 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: changes with voicedream apps

 
One question for Richard, how he would describe this. 

 


Winston said at the launch of the Mac app that he had spent most of the time in last two years in building this app. Right after that he said that maintenance of the app takes too much time and he has hard time to keep up with that and
 that’s why all changes are needed. 


 


Do I miss something or he clearly said that for two years he put very little effort in updating the iOS app and everything worked properly? There is still a blog post on that so everything can be checked. 



On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:17:57 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:


To be precise the problem is in that narrative that one man business is inherently unsustainable. 

 


It is like claiming that bigger boat is more sustainable. Out of context that may sound true, but in shallow waters small boat is better. 


 


If the market is really big then you could say that big corp is better than one man show. But if it isn’t the big corp won’t be able to handle its weight. The corporation needs not just wages but also much more expensive infrastructure
 and profits. P


 



On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:24:32 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:


Richard,

 


I am not calling him a lier, I haven't said more than what I have said and that is your word, but let's say that it is a spin if you insist on qualifying that, or maybe even better a questionable conclusion process that may not come from
 the intention to "lie".


 


You probably know that Voice Dream Reader was available for Android. It is sold to a company called Legere something like two years ago and I guess 

Re: changes with voicedream apps

[Ivan Icin]

Sieghard,

Just in this thread Richard has quoted the "sustainability" and 
"maintenance" as important reason why some app needs the 60$/year 
subscription (which is now higher but he found that initial value as 
acceptable). He clearly was very supportive regarding this.

Independent of Voice Dream, I think it is important question to educate the 
community regarding this, if you agree?

Just to say that I don't think that people will use my app because they 
like me or don't like me. Most of the people used Voice Dream because 
someone recommended that to them and because it is a really well made app.

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:49:24 PM UTC+2 Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

> Ivan, I think this topic is pretty much exhausted by now. Richard is 
> clearly not Winston and Winston has sold his app so why continue to badger 
> him to respond to these snippets of whatever emails have been sent. I got 
> Voice Dream Reader a long time ago and I can't remember if it was free at 
> the time or if I paid something for it, but I don't hardly use it and when 
> I do then it's maybe to listen to an audio book in MNP3 format. I don't 
> listen to books which are in text format because I simply don'tenjoy it 
> compared to listening to a real human reader, but I do keep it on my iPhone 
> and I noticed many updates since the new company bought it. Granted, they 
> just say "bug fixes and performance improvements" and no specifics are 
> given, but specifics or not I assume any small fixes they implement are 
> hopefully a good thing and at least you can see that they seem to be 
> commited to the product. It is my understanding that anybody who owned the 
> product before does not have to pay the subscription price, if it came to a 
> point where I had to pay it then I would probably not do so because as I 
> said, I use a very small part of what the app is capable of and I am sure I 
> can find a free alternative for that.
>
> One last comment, for me if I see and read a lot of the type of posts you 
> have posted which are very confrontational and defensive, it does not want 
> to make me use your app should I ever be in a position where I may want to 
> use it. I am not saying I absolutely wouldn't use it, but the more you post 
> and continue stirring the pot about this the less I would be likely to try 
> your app. It's childish and immature and  you have to learn to get over it; 
> focus on your app and what it does well, make it better and point out these 
> things.
>
> I truly wish you wel lwith your app and that it is successful and that it 
> will help people for years to come, but just let it go and stop this 
> pissing contest which isn't useful to anybody.
>
>  
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Ivan 
> Icin
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:25 AM
> *To:* VIPhone 
> *Subject:* Re: changes with voicedream apps
>
>  
>
> One question for Richard, how he would describe this. 
>
>  
>
> Winston said at the launch of the Mac app that he had spent most of the 
> time in last two years in building this app. Right after that he said that 
> maintenance of the app takes too much time and he has hard time to keep up 
> with that and that’s why all changes are needed. 
>
>  
>
> Do I miss something or he clearly said that for two years he put very 
> little effort in updating the iOS app and everything worked properly? There 
> is still a blog post on that so everything can be checked. 
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:17:57 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:
>
> To be precise the problem is in that narrative that one man business is 
> inherently unsustainable. 
>
>  
>
> It is like claiming that bigger boat is more sustainable. Out of context 
> that may sound true, but in shallow waters small boat is better. 
>
>  
>
> If the market is really big then you could say that big corp is better 
> than one man show. But if it isn’t the big corp won’t be able to handle its 
> weight. The corporation needs not just wages but also much more expensive 
> infrastructure and profits. P
>
>  
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:24:32 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
>  
>
> I am not calling him a lier, I haven't said more than what I have said and 
> that is your word, but let's say that it is a spin if you insist on 
> qualifying that, or maybe even better a questionable conclusion process 
> that may not come from the intention to "lie".
>
>  
>
> You probably know that Voice Dream Reader was available for Android. It is 
> sold to a company called Legere something like two years ago and I guess 
> that their revenue is less than 5000$ (SensorTower doesn't show values 
> below that), at some points I got some analytics report that it is around 
> 1000$ a month. It is updated to support new versions of Android thus far 
> and still costs 9.99$.
>
>  
>
> No matter how hard I try I see Legere more sustainable than Applause 
> Group. Applause Group may decide not to 

RE: changes with voicedream apps

[Richard Turner]

Ivan, you are like a dog who has gotten a hold of a bone and won't let it go.

If you keep this up, you are going to choke on it.

 

The last thing I will say is you love taking things out of context.  I'm not 
going to respond any longer to your nonsense.  In fact, if I can get Outlook to 
do a rule properly, I won't see any more posts from you.

 

Put your energy into your app and stop wasting everyone's time.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:25 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: changes with voicedream apps

 

One question for Richard, how he would describe this. 

 

Winston said at the launch of the Mac app that he had spent most of the time in 
last two years in building this app. Right after that he said that maintenance 
of the app takes too much time and he has hard time to keep up with that and 
that’s why all changes are needed. 

 

Do I miss something or he clearly said that for two years he put very little 
effort in updating the iOS app and everything worked properly? There is still a 
blog post on that so everything can be checked. 

On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:17:57 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:

To be precise the problem is in that narrative that one man business is 
inherently unsustainable. 

 

It is like claiming that bigger boat is more sustainable. Out of context that 
may sound true, but in shallow waters small boat is better. 

 

If the market is really big then you could say that big corp is better than one 
man show. But if it isn’t the big corp won’t be able to handle its weight. The 
corporation needs not just wages but also much more expensive infrastructure 
and profits. P

 

On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:24:32 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:

Richard,

 

I am not calling him a lier, I haven't said more than what I have said and that 
is your word, but let's say that it is a spin if you insist on qualifying that, 
or maybe even better a questionable conclusion process that may not come from 
the intention to "lie".

 

You probably know that Voice Dream Reader was available for Android. It is sold 
to a company called Legere something like two years ago and I guess that their 
revenue is less than 5000$ (SensorTower doesn't show values below that), at 
some points I got some analytics report that it is around 1000$ a month. It is 
updated to support new versions of Android thus far and still costs 9.99$.

 

No matter how hard I try I see Legere more sustainable than Applause Group. 
Applause Group may decide not to handle Voice Dream Reader at 40,000$/month and 
thus far they have hard time to go above that. Corporation can hardly have even 
one full time dedicated employee at that budget.

On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:06:50 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Ivan, you are calling Winston a lier, which I would never do. If the 
sustainablility is a fake narrative, that comes directly from Winston. 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Jul 10, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Ivan Icin mailto:labsii...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thus far you have two benefits that I know:

*   Acapela voices are now part of the subscription
*   You also get the Mac license

Regarding the sustainability, that is a fake narrative. Winston was giving 
interviews that his family is living well from Voice Dream, and assuming that 
SensorTower doesn't lie, total sales were 40,000$/month.

 

Just to be clear it isn't too much for the American developer (but certainly 
not too little either). But it is also true that the app can be sustainable in 
India for even less than 5000$ a month, so even the app that costs 5$/lifetime 
could be sustainable in some circumstances.

 

But for American products the most of the money goes into the marketing. If you 
start to buy App Store ads, you need to pay 2$ per click on the ad for the US 
consumer. And Winston did that and as such he paid at least 10$ to get the 
users (assuming that he was a champion in conversion so it could be more).If 
you go into such costs then your business can quickly become unsustainable. 

 

Just to note that at the start those ads were priced reasonably so many people 
jumped in, but as prices went up Apple started to squeeze out nearly all their 
money and devs kept pushing the price increase to end consumers.

 

At the moment I don't have access to those analytics products so I can't say if 
Voice Dream is buying the ads now (unfortunately I price my app very low to 
help people so I need to be careful about all expenses). But with 80$/year 
subscription your 

RE: changes with voicedream apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Ivan, I think this topic is pretty much exhausted by now. Richard is clearly 
not Winston and Winston has sold his app so why continue to badger him to 
respond to these snippets of whatever emails have been sent. I got Voice Dream 
Reader a long time ago and I can't remember if it was free at the time or if I 
paid something for it, but I don't hardly use it and when I do then it's maybe 
to listen to an audio book in MNP3 format. I don't listen to books which are in 
text format because I simply don'tenjoy it compared to listening to a real 
human reader, but I do keep it on my iPhone and I noticed many updates since 
the new company bought it. Granted, they just say "bug fixes and performance 
improvements" and no specifics are given, but specifics or not I assume any 
small fixes they implement are hopefully a good thing and at least you can see 
that they seem to be commited to the product. It is my understanding that 
anybody who owned the product before does not have to pay the subscription 
price, if it came to a point where I had to pay it then I would probably not do 
so because as I said, I use a very small part of what the app is capable of and 
I am sure I can find a free alternative for that.
One last comment, for me if I see and read a lot of the type of posts you have 
posted which are very confrontational and defensive, it does not want to make 
me use your app should I ever be in a position where I may want to use it. I am 
not saying I absolutely wouldn't use it, but the more you post and continue 
stirring the pot about this the less I would be likely to try your app. It's 
childish and immature and  you have to learn to get over it; focus on your app 
and what it does well, make it better and point out these things.
I truly wish you wel lwith your app and that it is successful and that it will 
help people for years to come, but just let it go and stop this pissing contest 
which isn't useful to anybody.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:25 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: changes with voicedream apps

One question for Richard, how he would describe this.

Winston said at the launch of the Mac app that he had spent most of the time in 
last two years in building this app. Right after that he said that maintenance 
of the app takes too much time and he has hard time to keep up with that and 
that’s why all changes are needed.

Do I miss something or he clearly said that for two years he put very little 
effort in updating the iOS app and everything worked properly? There is still a 
blog post on that so everything can be checked.
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:17:57 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:
To be precise the problem is in that narrative that one man business is 
inherently unsustainable.

It is like claiming that bigger boat is more sustainable. Out of context that 
may sound true, but in shallow waters small boat is better.

If the market is really big then you could say that big corp is better than one 
man show. But if it isn’t the big corp won’t be able to handle its weight. The 
corporation needs not just wages but also much more expensive infrastructure 
and profits. P

On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:24:32 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:
Richard,

I am not calling him a lier, I haven't said more than what I have said and that 
is your word, but let's say that it is a spin if you insist on qualifying that, 
or maybe even better a questionable conclusion process that may not come from 
the intention to "lie".

You probably know that Voice Dream Reader was available for Android. It is sold 
to a company called Legere something like two years ago and I guess that their 
revenue is less than 5000$ (SensorTower doesn't show values below that), at 
some points I got some analytics report that it is around 1000$ a month. It is 
updated to support new versions of Android thus far and still costs 9.99$.

No matter how hard I try I see Legere more sustainable than Applause Group. 
Applause Group may decide not to handle Voice Dream Reader at 40,000$/month and 
thus far they have hard time to go above that. Corporation can hardly have even 
one full time dedicated employee at that budget.
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:06:50 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
Ivan, you are calling Winston a lier, which I would never do. If the 
sustainablility is a fake narrative, that comes directly from Winston.



Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com



On Jul 10, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
Thus far you have two benefits that I know:

  *   Acapela voices are now part of the subscription
  *   You also get the Mac license
Regarding the sustainability, that is a fake narrative. Winston was giving 
interviews that his family is living well from Voice Dream, and assuming 

Re: changes with voicedream apps

[Ivan Icin]

One question for Richard, how he would describe this. 

Winston said at the launch of the Mac app that he had spent most of the 
time in last two years in building this app. Right after that he said that 
maintenance of the app takes too much time and he has hard time to keep up 
with that and that’s why all changes are needed. 

Do I miss something or he clearly said that for two years he put very 
little effort in updating the iOS app and everything worked properly? There 
is still a blog post on that so everything can be checked. 

On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:17:57 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:

> To be precise the problem is in that narrative that one man business is 
> inherently unsustainable. 
>
> It is like claiming that bigger boat is more sustainable. Out of context 
> that may sound true, but in shallow waters small boat is better. 
>
> If the market is really big then you could say that big corp is better 
> than one man show. But if it isn’t the big corp won’t be able to handle its 
> weight. The corporation needs not just wages but also much more expensive 
> infrastructure and profits. P
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:24:32 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I am not calling him a lier, I haven't said more than what I have said 
>> and that is your word, but let's say that it is a spin if you insist on 
>> qualifying that, or maybe even better a questionable conclusion process 
>> that may not come from the intention to "lie".
>>
>> You probably know that Voice Dream Reader was available for Android. It 
>> is sold to a company called Legere something like two years ago and I guess 
>> that their revenue is less than 5000$ (SensorTower doesn't show values 
>> below that), at some points I got some analytics report that it is around 
>> 1000$ a month. It is updated to support new versions of Android thus far 
>> and still costs 9.99$.
>>
>> No matter how hard I try I see Legere more sustainable than Applause 
>> Group. Applause Group may decide not to handle Voice Dream Reader at 
>> 40,000$/month and thus far they have hard time to go above that. 
>> Corporation can hardly have even one full time dedicated employee at that 
>> budget.
>> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:06:50 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Ivan, you are calling Winston a lier, which I would never do. If the 
>>> sustainablility is a fake narrative, that comes directly from Winston. 
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of 
>>> little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John 
>>> Ruskin
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thus far you have two benefits that I know:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Acapela voices are now part of the subscription
>>>- You also get the Mac license
>>>
>>> Regarding the sustainability, that is a fake narrative. Winston was 
>>> giving interviews that his family is living well from Voice Dream, and 
>>> assuming that SensorTower doesn't lie, total sales were 40,000$/month.
>>>
>>> Just to be clear it isn't too much for the American developer (but 
>>> certainly not too little either). But it is also true that the app can be 
>>> sustainable in India for even less than 5000$ a month, so even the app that 
>>> costs 5$/lifetime could be sustainable in some circumstances.
>>>
>>> But for American products the most of the money goes into the 
>>> marketing. If you start to buy App Store ads, you need to pay 2$ per click 
>>> on the ad for the US consumer. And Winston did that and as such he paid at 
>>> least 10$ to get the users (assuming that he was a champion in conversion 
>>> so it could be more).If you go into such costs then your business can 
>>> quickly become unsustainable. 
>>>
>>> Just to note that at the start those ads were priced reasonably so many 
>>> people jumped in, but as prices went up Apple started to squeeze out nearly 
>>> all their money and devs kept pushing the price increase to end consumers.
>>>
>>> At the moment I don't have access to those analytics products so I can't 
>>> say if Voice Dream is buying the ads now (unfortunately I price my app very 
>>> low to help people so I need to be careful about all expenses). But with 
>>> 80$/year subscription your conversion rates start to fall off 
>>> significantly, so at that price point it is likely that you need to pay at 
>>> least 50$ to get a paid customer through App Store ads.
>>>
>>> If that is their business model (and for almost all subscription apps it 
>>> is), those prices seem more reasonable.
>>>
>>> I made suggestions that people make a pressure on Apple to disable App 
>>> Store ads on disability search terms, but thus far no one supported me. I 
>>> don't think that Apple will do that by themselves as they clearly earn a 
>>> lot, but then if anyone showed how much they are pumping up prices for the 
>>> products that people need to 

RE: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And if you fail then you try again, I am sure failing this test will not mean  
you can't try again. 
Life is too short to be afaraid of failure.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS

Hi,

You know, there are not a great many things on my bucket list but one of the 
items is becoming a ham.

I have wanted to become a ham for over 30 years but have not done so, to be 
honest, because of my fear of failing the licensing tests.

Now I don't know much about it but back in the 80s I had a couple of friends 
who wanted to get their licenses but failed to do so.

I don't want to go off topic, on this, but if anyone of you hams would like to 
send me the steps on how to go about getting a license and an blind and/or low 
vision accessible way to go about it, send me a reply, off-list, as I would 
greatly appreciate it.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
kheve...@fuse.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 11:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS

Mark, being the ham radio op that I am, I can't resist the temptation to 
suggest you get a ham radio license.  That would enable you to use a "handy 
talky" which would allow for great communication.  The two of you might have 
been able to use an app called echolink. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 1:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS

Hello Everyone,

Earlier this weekend I and a friend were up in the San Francisco airport 
waiting on a flight back to Los Angeles.

As we had quite a bit of time before our flight, we decided to explore the 
airport, separately, and meet back at the gate after a While.

I thought this would be a great opportunity to actually use the Walkie Talkie 
app on our Apple Watches to stay in touch.

It didn't work as well as I had hoped.  For one thing, there were so many 
people crowded in the airport that I couldn't hear the speaker on the watch 
when she tried to reach me.  Add the ambient noise of all the people, coupled 
with the endless and continuous flight announcements, and, for me, at least, it 
was an impossible situation.  I had to hold my wrist against my ear and I felt 
silly doing it and my arm got tired, very quickly.

Second, when I tried to use my Airpods to connect directly to the watch???
Well, let's just say that my VoiceOver / Walkie Talkie app experience was not a 
good one.

Although I have used the walkie talkie app many, many times, when at home, this 
was the first time I had tried using it out in the wild, as it were.

She told me that she could not hear me on her watch, either, for the same 
reason.  Now she has quote, normal, quote hearing, relative to mine; so I know 
that the problem was not completely owing to my poor hearing.

So, the question:

Can you recommend a simple push-to-talk walkie talkie app that will work on 
iPhone?  

When I search the app store I see so many but really have no idea of which one 
is best for VoiceOver users.

Now I just want a simple app that works as much like the walkie talkie app on 
the watch but, of course, works on the phone.

I read, somewhere, that Microsoft Team has a pretty good walkie talkie app 
feature but I'm not certain if it will work in a non-enterprise scenario, 
between only 2 people.

Just so you know, we ended up using text messages to stay in contact in the 
airport but it would have been nice to use a more direct voice interface.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

[Carolyn Arnold]

Back about five or so  years ago, when I had the original SE, I had that 
problem, when at our Senior Center, which is down low and in woods. I certainly 
could not call out with Siri, but usually could, when I made my calls myself, 
as the customer service guy at Consummer Cellular, my carrier at the time, 
advised me to do. Therefore, I acquired the good habit of doing that. Still, I 
missed some calls that came while there. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Portillo
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 11:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch 
gestures

It's good so far. Someone called me this morning and it rang normal.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 8:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch 
gestures

Jim, how is your ring volume? Mine went down to 7% after an update one time. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Portillo
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch 
gestures

Well, there is one other thing that I've been told about now.

For some weird reason, sometimes, calls I receive don't register. Several times 
during convention, and again yesterday, people have told me that they tried 
calling me but that it went to voicemail. Most of the time, I don't even hear 
the phone ring, and the actual call doesn't register.

Now yesterday, I did hear someone try calling me but when I tried answering, it 
was as though nobody was calling. Very strange stuff going on. And, it doesn’t 
happen with all calls. I haven’t messed with any settings that I know of, and I 
have been using my phone as I always do. Very strange.

 

 

 

From: portillo@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 5:53 AM
To: portillo@gmail.com
Subject: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

 

Good morning,

For a few weeks now, I have been dealing with a very annoying issue on my 
phone. When I do something like swipe or other Voiceover gestures with my 
finger, things start out OK, but after a few instances, there is a sort of jump 
or crash that takes me one layer back or to the very top of where I started, 
and I need to start over again. It is annoying when I’m looking at something 
like a website or Social Media and then the jump happens.

Also, when I input text using Braille mode, I won’t get more than two sentences 
into what I’m writing, and then it jumps and changes modes, making me need to 
go back to the rotar and go back to Braille mode. 

I don’t think that speed has much to do with what’s going on, but I’ve tried 
slowing down, which doesn’t always work for me. I just know that something’s 
got to give because this continuous jumping around or going back a page or 
layer doesn’t make me productive at all!

Has this happened to anyone else? What might be happening here, and what can I 
try to fix it? I’ve not seen this behavior until a few weeks ago.

Jim

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RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

[Richard Turner]

Jim,
If you haven't had Apple run a detailed diagnostic on your phone, I'd suggest 
calling them.

What your experiencing seems rather unique.  



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jim 
Portillo
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

Thanks Kim.
I'm beginning to wonder if this is a bug in the IOS Device.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly 
Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

Braille screen input is definitely flaky in this iOS release. I have a similar 
experience to what you describe where suddenly bsi will just turn itself off in 
the middle of brailling. Also it seems I can't use tabletop mode at all. The 
letters just will not form correctly.

Kim

On 7/10/23, portillo@gmail.com  wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> For a few weeks now, I have been dealing with a very annoying issue on 
> my phone. When I do something like swipe or other Voiceover gestures 
> with my finger, things start out OK, but after a few instances, there 
> is a sort of jump or crash that takes me one layer back or to the very 
> top of where I started, and I need to start over again. It is annoying 
> when I'm looking at something like a website or Social Media and then the 
> jump happens.
>
> Also, when I input text using Braille mode, I won't get more than two 
> sentences into what I'm writing, and then it jumps and changes modes, 
> making me need to go back to the rotar and go back to Braille mode.
>
> I don't think that speed has much to do with what's going on, but I've 
> tried slowing down, which doesn't always work for me. I just know that 
> something's got to give because this continuous jumping around or 
> going back a page or layer doesn't make me productive at all!
>
> Has this happened to anyone else? What might be happening here, and 
> what can I try to fix it? I've not seen this behavior until a few 
> weeks ago.
>
> Jim
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RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

[Jim Portillo]

Thanks Kim.
I'm beginning to wonder if this is a bug in the IOS Device.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly 
Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

Braille screen input is definitely flaky in this iOS release. I have a similar 
experience to what you describe where suddenly bsi will just turn itself off in 
the middle of brailling. Also it seems I can't use tabletop mode at all. The 
letters just will not form correctly.

Kim

On 7/10/23, portillo@gmail.com  wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> For a few weeks now, I have been dealing with a very annoying issue on 
> my phone. When I do something like swipe or other Voiceover gestures 
> with my finger, things start out OK, but after a few instances, there 
> is a sort of jump or crash that takes me one layer back or to the very 
> top of where I started, and I need to start over again. It is annoying 
> when I'm looking at something like a website or Social Media and then the 
> jump happens.
>
> Also, when I input text using Braille mode, I won't get more than two 
> sentences into what I'm writing, and then it jumps and changes modes, 
> making me need to go back to the rotar and go back to Braille mode.
>
> I don't think that speed has much to do with what's going on, but I've 
> tried slowing down, which doesn't always work for me. I just know that 
> something's got to give because this continuous jumping around or 
> going back a page or layer doesn't make me productive at all!
>
> Has this happened to anyone else? What might be happening here, and 
> what can I try to fix it? I've not seen this behavior until a few 
> weeks ago.
>
> Jim
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RE: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

[Jim Portillo]

It's good so far. Someone called me this morning and it rang normal.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 8:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch 
gestures

Jim, how is your ring volume? Mine went down to 7% after an update one time. 

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Jim Portillo
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch 
gestures

Well, there is one other thing that I've been told about now.

For some weird reason, sometimes, calls I receive don't register. Several times 
during convention, and again yesterday, people have told me that they tried 
calling me but that it went to voicemail. Most of the time, I don't even hear 
the phone ring, and the actual call doesn't register.

Now yesterday, I did hear someone try calling me but when I tried answering, it 
was as though nobody was calling. Very strange stuff going on. And, it doesn’t 
happen with all calls. I haven’t messed with any settings that I know of, and I 
have been using my phone as I always do. Very strange.

 

 

 

From: portillo@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 5:53 AM
To: portillo@gmail.com
Subject: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

 

Good morning,

For a few weeks now, I have been dealing with a very annoying issue on my 
phone. When I do something like swipe or other Voiceover gestures with my 
finger, things start out OK, but after a few instances, there is a sort of jump 
or crash that takes me one layer back or to the very top of where I started, 
and I need to start over again. It is annoying when I’m looking at something 
like a website or Social Media and then the jump happens.

Also, when I input text using Braille mode, I won’t get more than two sentences 
into what I’m writing, and then it jumps and changes modes, making me need to 
go back to the rotar and go back to Braille mode. 

I don’t think that speed has much to do with what’s going on, but I’ve tried 
slowing down, which doesn’t always work for me. I just know that something’s 
got to give because this continuous jumping around or going back a page or 
layer doesn’t make me productive at all!

Has this happened to anyone else? What might be happening here, and what can I 
try to fix it? I’ve not seen this behavior until a few weeks ago.

Jim

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RE: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

[Carolyn Arnold]

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Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 11:27 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch 
gestures

If focus modes or "Do not disturb” are enabled then some or all calls can be 
directed to voice mail. You can  usually test this by having the person who is 
going to voice mail try calling you again almost right away and then seeing if 
it rings. 
It is possible to disable this break through on second call attempt but the 
Also, if a phone gets on Mute, we would not hear a ring. default  in most focus 
modes is to allow break throughs.
Sometimes when I have a meeting scheduled on my iPhone calendar, there will be 
a prompt on the lock screen asking if I want to enable do not disturb for the 
meeting. One can also enable/disable focus modes with SIRI. 
 

> On Jul 12, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Kimberly Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> This phone not ringing is happening to me as well ever since the most 
> recent update to iOS. It doesn't always happen or even with any 
> predictable pattern. I had the same problem a couple of years ago. I 
> don't recall which iOS it was, but eventually it just went away.
> 
> On 7/12/23, Jim Portillo  wrote:
>> Well, there is one other thing that I've been told about now.
>> 
>> For some weird reason, sometimes, calls I receive don't register. 
>> Several times during convention, and again yesterday, people have 
>> told me that they tried calling me but that it went to voicemail. 
>> Most of the time, I don't even hear the phone ring, and the actual call 
>> doesn't register.
>> 
>> Now yesterday, I did hear someone try calling me but when I tried 
>> answering, it was as though nobody was calling. Very strange stuff 
>> going on. And, it doesn't happen with all calls. I haven't messed 
>> with any settings that I know of, and I have been using my phone as I 
>> always do. Very strange.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: portillo@gmail.com 
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 5:53 AM
>> To: portillo@gmail.com
>> Subject: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Good morning,
>> 
>> For a few weeks now, I have been dealing with a very annoying issue 
>> on my phone. When I do something like swipe or other Voiceover 
>> gestures with my finger, things start out OK, but after a few 
>> instances, there is a sort of jump or crash that takes me one layer 
>> back or to the very top of where I started, and I need to start over 
>> again. It is annoying when I'm looking at something like a website or Social 
>> Media and then the jump happens.
>> 
>> Also, when I input text using Braille mode, I won't get more than two 
>> sentences into what I'm writing, and then it jumps and changes modes, 
>> making me need to go back to the rotar and go back to Braille mode.
>> 
>> I don't think that speed has much to do with what's going on, but 
>> I've tried slowing down, which doesn't always work for me. I just 
>> know that something's got to give because this continuous jumping 
>> around or going back a page or layer doesn't make me productive at 
>> all!
>> 
>> Has this happened to anyone else? What might be happening here, and 
>> what can I try to fix it? I've not seen this behavior until a few 
>> weeks ago.
>> 
>> Jim
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RE: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

[Carolyn Arnold]

Jim, how is your ring volume? Mine went down to 7% after an update one time. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Portillo
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch 
gestures

Well, there is one other thing that I've been told about now.

For some weird reason, sometimes, calls I receive don't register. Several times 
during convention, and again yesterday, people have told me that they tried 
calling me but that it went to voicemail. Most of the time, I don't even hear 
the phone ring, and the actual call doesn't register.

Now yesterday, I did hear someone try calling me but when I tried answering, it 
was as though nobody was calling. Very strange stuff going on. And, it doesn’t 
happen with all calls. I haven’t messed with any settings that I know of, and I 
have been using my phone as I always do. Very strange.

 

 

 

From: portillo@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 5:53 AM
To: portillo@gmail.com
Subject: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

 

Good morning,

For a few weeks now, I have been dealing with a very annoying issue on my 
phone. When I do something like swipe or other Voiceover gestures with my 
finger, things start out OK, but after a few instances, there is a sort of jump 
or crash that takes me one layer back or to the very top of where I started, 
and I need to start over again. It is annoying when I’m looking at something 
like a website or Social Media and then the jump happens.

Also, when I input text using Braille mode, I won’t get more than two sentences 
into what I’m writing, and then it jumps and changes modes, making me need to 
go back to the rotar and go back to Braille mode. 

I don’t think that speed has much to do with what’s going on, but I’ve tried 
slowing down, which doesn’t always work for me. I just know that something’s 
got to give because this continuous jumping around or going back a page or 
layer doesn’t make me productive at all!

Has this happened to anyone else? What might be happening here, and what can I 
try to fix it? I’ve not seen this behavior until a few weeks ago.

Jim

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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I think that is what confused me for a while, which is why I haven't been using 
it like I will be doing now, thanks to all of you and your help. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 9:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI.

You do not need to double tap on the channel. When you flick up or down on the 
channel and hear the one you want, don' touch it, just point the camera. I 
think handwriting with have a button to capture the picture, but most like 
short text, document, product all just work.




Richard, USA.
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On Jul 11, 2023, at 5:37 PM, Penny Reeder  
wrote:




I like Seeing AI when i can get it to work, but, often when i choose a 
channel with a double tap on a button whose label is exactly what i want, it 
switches immediately to a different channel. What m i doing wrong? If i tap on 
Short Text, how can i keep it from switching immediately to People? Thanks for 
your advice! Penny 


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Esther Levegnale 
 wrote:




I love it as well! It's a wonderful app! Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn Arnold 
<2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:



I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI.

they are probably having the same problem I had. though 
the light detector was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had 
to DT it again and it appeared.
- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI.


What are all the channels  you do have?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not 
find it. I haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to 
see if there still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you 
know just how I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an 
uncertain time of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.

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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Strangely enough, I went ibn to see what World View was, and right now, it is 
not there. Light is at the top, though, where I moved it, and I am glad about 
that. 

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Penny Reeder
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI.

I like Seeing AI when i can get it to work, but, often when i choose a channel 
with a double tap on a button whose label is exactly what i want, it switches 
immediately to a different channel. What m i doing wrong? If i tap on Short 
Text, how can i keep it from switching immediately to People? Thanks for your 
advice! Penny 


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Esther Levegnale 
 wrote:




I love it as well! It's a wonderful app! Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn Arnold 
<2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:



I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI.

they are probably having the same problem I had. though the 
light detector was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to 
DT it again and it appeared.
- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI.


What are all the channels  you do have?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. 
I haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if 
there still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just 
how I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain 
time of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.

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Re: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

[Jonathan Cohn]

If focus modes or "Do not disturb” are enabled then some or all calls can be 
directed to voice mail. You can  usually test this by having the person who is 
going to voice mail try calling you again almost right away and then seeing if 
it rings. 
It is possible to disable this break through on second call attempt but the 
default  in most focus modes is to allow break throughs.
Sometimes when I have a meeting scheduled on my iPhone calendar, there will be 
a prompt on the lock screen asking if I want to enable do not disturb for the 
meeting. One can also enable/disable focus modes with SIRI. 
 

> On Jul 12, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Kimberly Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> This phone not ringing is happening to me as well ever since the most
> recent update to iOS. It doesn't always happen or even with any
> predictable pattern. I had the same problem a couple of years ago. I
> don't recall which iOS it was, but eventually it just went away.
> 
> On 7/12/23, Jim Portillo  wrote:
>> Well, there is one other thing that I've been told about now.
>> 
>> For some weird reason, sometimes, calls I receive don't register. Several
>> times during convention, and again yesterday, people have told me that they
>> tried calling me but that it went to voicemail. Most of the time, I don't
>> even hear the phone ring, and the actual call doesn't register.
>> 
>> Now yesterday, I did hear someone try calling me but when I tried
>> answering,
>> it was as though nobody was calling. Very strange stuff going on. And, it
>> doesn't happen with all calls. I haven't messed with any settings that I
>> know of, and I have been using my phone as I always do. Very strange.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: portillo@gmail.com 
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 5:53 AM
>> To: portillo@gmail.com
>> Subject: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Good morning,
>> 
>> For a few weeks now, I have been dealing with a very annoying issue on my
>> phone. When I do something like swipe or other Voiceover gestures with my
>> finger, things start out OK, but after a few instances, there is a sort of
>> jump or crash that takes me one layer back or to the very top of where I
>> started, and I need to start over again. It is annoying when I'm looking at
>> something like a website or Social Media and then the jump happens.
>> 
>> Also, when I input text using Braille mode, I won't get more than two
>> sentences into what I'm writing, and then it jumps and changes modes,
>> making
>> me need to go back to the rotar and go back to Braille mode.
>> 
>> I don't think that speed has much to do with what's going on, but I've
>> tried
>> slowing down, which doesn't always work for me. I just know that
>> something's
>> got to give because this continuous jumping around or going back a page or
>> layer doesn't make me productive at all!
>> 
>> Has this happened to anyone else? What might be happening here, and what
>> can
>> I try to fix it? I've not seen this behavior until a few weeks ago.
>> 
>> Jim
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Re: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

[Kimberly Gardner]

Braille screen input is definitely flaky in this iOS release. I have a
similar experience to what you describe where suddenly bsi will just
turn itself off in the middle of brailling. Also it seems I can't use
tabletop mode at all. The letters just will not form correctly.

Kim

On 7/10/23, portillo@gmail.com  wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> For a few weeks now, I have been dealing with a very annoying issue on my
> phone. When I do something like swipe or other Voiceover gestures with my
> finger, things start out OK, but after a few instances, there is a sort of
> jump or crash that takes me one layer back or to the very top of where I
> started, and I need to start over again. It is annoying when I'm looking at
> something like a website or Social Media and then the jump happens.
>
> Also, when I input text using Braille mode, I won't get more than two
> sentences into what I'm writing, and then it jumps and changes modes,
> making
> me need to go back to the rotar and go back to Braille mode.
>
> I don't think that speed has much to do with what's going on, but I've
> tried
> slowing down, which doesn't always work for me. I just know that
> something's
> got to give because this continuous jumping around or going back a page or
> layer doesn't make me productive at all!
>
> Has this happened to anyone else? What might be happening here, and what
> can
> I try to fix it? I've not seen this behavior until a few weeks ago.
>
> Jim
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Re: Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

[Kimberly Gardner]

This phone not ringing is happening to me as well ever since the most
recent update to iOS. It doesn't always happen or even with any
predictable pattern. I had the same problem a couple of years ago. I
don't recall which iOS it was, but eventually it just went away.

On 7/12/23, Jim Portillo  wrote:
> Well, there is one other thing that I've been told about now.
>
> For some weird reason, sometimes, calls I receive don't register. Several
> times during convention, and again yesterday, people have told me that they
> tried calling me but that it went to voicemail. Most of the time, I don't
> even hear the phone ring, and the actual call doesn't register.
>
> Now yesterday, I did hear someone try calling me but when I tried
> answering,
> it was as though nobody was calling. Very strange stuff going on. And, it
> doesn't happen with all calls. I haven't messed with any settings that I
> know of, and I have been using my phone as I always do. Very strange.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: portillo@gmail.com 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 5:53 AM
> To: portillo@gmail.com
> Subject: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures
>
>
>
> Good morning,
>
> For a few weeks now, I have been dealing with a very annoying issue on my
> phone. When I do something like swipe or other Voiceover gestures with my
> finger, things start out OK, but after a few instances, there is a sort of
> jump or crash that takes me one layer back or to the very top of where I
> started, and I need to start over again. It is annoying when I'm looking at
> something like a website or Social Media and then the jump happens.
>
> Also, when I input text using Braille mode, I won't get more than two
> sentences into what I'm writing, and then it jumps and changes modes,
> making
> me need to go back to the rotar and go back to Braille mode.
>
> I don't think that speed has much to do with what's going on, but I've
> tried
> slowing down, which doesn't always work for me. I just know that
> something's
> got to give because this continuous jumping around or going back a page or
> layer doesn't make me productive at all!
>
> Has this happened to anyone else? What might be happening here, and what
> can
> I try to fix it? I've not seen this behavior until a few weeks ago.
>
> Jim
>
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Addition to the saga RE: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

[Jim Portillo]

Well, there is one other thing that I've been told about now.

For some weird reason, sometimes, calls I receive don't register. Several
times during convention, and again yesterday, people have told me that they
tried calling me but that it went to voicemail. Most of the time, I don't
even hear the phone ring, and the actual call doesn't register.

Now yesterday, I did hear someone try calling me but when I tried answering,
it was as though nobody was calling. Very strange stuff going on. And, it
doesn't happen with all calls. I haven't messed with any settings that I
know of, and I have been using my phone as I always do. Very strange.

 

 

 

From: portillo@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 5:53 AM
To: portillo@gmail.com
Subject: iPhone not responding well to my touch gestures

 

Good morning,

For a few weeks now, I have been dealing with a very annoying issue on my
phone. When I do something like swipe or other Voiceover gestures with my
finger, things start out OK, but after a few instances, there is a sort of
jump or crash that takes me one layer back or to the very top of where I
started, and I need to start over again. It is annoying when I'm looking at
something like a website or Social Media and then the jump happens.

Also, when I input text using Braille mode, I won't get more than two
sentences into what I'm writing, and then it jumps and changes modes, making
me need to go back to the rotar and go back to Braille mode. 

I don't think that speed has much to do with what's going on, but I've tried
slowing down, which doesn't always work for me. I just know that something's
got to give because this continuous jumping around or going back a page or
layer doesn't make me productive at all!

Has this happened to anyone else? What might be happening here, and what can
I try to fix it? I've not seen this behavior until a few weeks ago.

Jim

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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Yes, Roberty, I filally managed to find it. It works! 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI.

they are probably having the same problem I had. though the light detector was 
checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to DT it again and it 
appeared.
- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI.


What are all the channels  you do have?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used 
it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there still is a 
video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find 
stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time of it 
and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.

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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I think I have all of them. I've been getting into it and learning more, 
product, document, short text, light, world, one called, it sounds like they 
say scene, then there is currency, color. I have managed to move Light to the 
top now. Thanks for all the help. 

-Original Message-
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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 1:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI.

What are all the channels  you do have?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used 
it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there still is a 
video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find 
stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time of it 
and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help. 

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Re: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS

[lenron brown]

I would love this info as well. I was suppose to try and get my
license a couple years ago, but it didn't happen because of time.

On 7/11/23, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You know, there are not a great many things on my bucket list but one of the
> items is becoming a ham.
>
> I have wanted to become a ham for over 30 years but have not done so, to be
> honest, because of my fear of failing the licensing tests.
>
> Now I don't know much about it but back in the 80s I had a couple of friends
> who wanted to get their licenses but failed to do so.
>
> I don't want to go off topic, on this, but if anyone of you hams would like
> to send me the steps on how to go about getting a license and an blind
> and/or low vision accessible way to go about it, send me a reply, off-list,
> as I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Mark
>
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> kheve...@fuse.net
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 11:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS
>
> Mark, being the ham radio op that I am, I can't resist the temptation to
> suggest you get a ham radio license.  That would enable you to use a "handy
> talky" which would allow for great communication.  The two of you might have
> been able to use an app called echolink.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 1:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Wishing for a Simple WalkieTalkie App for iOS
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Earlier this weekend I and a friend were up in the San Francisco airport
> waiting on a flight back to Los Angeles.
>
> As we had quite a bit of time before our flight, we decided to explore the
> airport, separately, and meet back at the gate after a While.
>
> I thought this would be a great opportunity to actually use the Walkie
> Talkie app on our Apple Watches to stay in touch.
>
> It didn't work as well as I had hoped.  For one thing, there were so many
> people crowded in the airport that I couldn't hear the speaker on the watch
> when she tried to reach me.  Add the ambient noise of all the people,
> coupled with the endless and continuous flight announcements, and, for me,
> at least, it was an impossible situation.  I had to hold my wrist against my
> ear and I felt silly doing it and my arm got tired, very quickly.
>
> Second, when I tried to use my Airpods to connect directly to the watch???
> Well, let's just say that my VoiceOver / Walkie Talkie app experience was
> not a good one.
>
> Although I have used the walkie talkie app many, many times, when at home,
> this was the first time I had tried using it out in the wild, as it were.
>
> She told me that she could not hear me on her watch, either, for the same
> reason.  Now she has quote, normal, quote hearing, relative to mine; so I
> know that the problem was not completely owing to my poor hearing.
>
> So, the question:
>
> Can you recommend a simple push-to-talk walkie talkie app that will work on
> iPhone?
>
> When I search the app store I see so many but really have no idea of which
> one is best for VoiceOver users.
>
> Now I just want a simple app that works as much like the walkie talkie app
> on the watch but, of course, works on the phone.
>
> I read, somewhere, that Microsoft Team has a pretty good walkie talkie app
> feature but I'm not certain if it will work in a non-enterprise scenario,
> between only 2 people.
>
> Just so you know, we ended up using text messages to stay in contact in the
> airport but it would have been nice to use a more direct voice interface.
>
> All replies greatly appreciated.
>
> Mark
>
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