Re: Answering iPhone

2020-10-24 Thread Michael Irons
Hello everyone I use a pair of Bluetooth headphones to answer the phone. They 
are LG Bluetooth headphones. When a call comes in I press the button on the 
right hand side of the headphones answer the phone. The same button also in the 
Call. The neck band on the headphones vibrates. So you don’t always have to 
have the headphones in your ear.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2020, at 8:19 AM, mmmat  wrote:
> 
> Yeah.  You can not use Siri to answer the call, but you can use it to call 
> back.  I like it.  It is simple and a workable solution.
>  
> Thanks to the group for all your ideas, it gave me some other options and 
> helped me to think through the process better.
>  
> Mario
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
> Hutchings
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Answering iPhone
>  
> Using SIRI to call back is a good option.  I don’t know how many times that I 
> have tried to call a sighted person and was in the process of leaving them a 
> voice mail when they called me back.  It is not just a blind thing being to 
> slow to answer a call.
>  
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
> Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and 
> fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
>  
> From: mmmat
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Answering iPhone
>  
> He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
> responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
> gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.
>  
> I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to 
> call back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact 
> list, Siri will perform a call back.
>  
> Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.
>  
> Mario
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
> MacDonald
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Answering iPhone
>  
> Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
> be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
> presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
> what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch 
> for how well or not, Zoom works.
> Daniel
>  
>  
> 
> On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>  
> There is no speak command to answer the phone.
> There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
> answer whether he's by the phone or not.
> Not my first choice.
> Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
> to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.
> Sadly, Siri will not read emails.
> I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
> to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
> Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
> emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
> stupid in my opinion that it does not.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> 
> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Group,
>  
> I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
> from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
> iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be 
> too difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.
>  
> There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
> Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.
>  
> First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
> to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email 
> message using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and 
> email message aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it 
> only tells me the name of the sender and the subject line and does not read 
> the actual email message.
>  
> Any help is much a

Re: Answering iPhone

2020-10-24 Thread Robin
Interesting, as  I  thought Apple'sSiri   could 
Read EMailMessages. Thought this would have been 
Possible since Apple  Controls the Hardware  & Software.
Samsung'sBixby (i.e., 
Samsung'sPersonalAssistant)  can Read 
EMailMessages, TextMessages, etc etc.  & ON 
Samsung's Galaxy MobilePhones 
the  AutomaticAnswer is only Activated when 
Connected  to either a  BlueToothHeadset or a  WiredHeadset


At 03:34 PM 10/21/2020, you wrote:

There is no speak command to answer the phone.
There is an auto answer setting you can enable 
but that means it's going to answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.
Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only 
way unless he can learn where to touch his 
finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.
I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, 
but he would have to be able to open the email 
first, and that does not sound possible. So  I 
would write Apple accessibility as well as call 
them and ask about getting Siri to read emails. 
This is the one feature that it should've had 
from the start and is stupid in my opinion that it does not.





Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge 
over which he must pass himself,† and we 
forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable 
that while I have regretted not granting grace 
to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat  wrote:



Hi Group,



I am working with an individual that is very 
low vision and is also suffering from a mild 
case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed 
easily.  He is using an iPhone 8 and I am very 
reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it 
will be too difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.




There are two immediate  things that I want to 
accomplish with him using the Hey Siri command 
or any other speaking options if available.




First is there an easy way to answer a incoming 
phone call without being able to see the 
screen.  Second, we were able to successfully 
send an email message using the Hey Siri 
command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and 
email message aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to 
read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and 
does not read the actual email message.




Any help is much appreciated.



Mario



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RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-22 Thread mmmat
Sure, I will keep that in mind.

Thanks for the suggestions.
Mario 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

Hi, 

Another thought that might benefit your client.  I often use Aftershokz 
bluetooth bone induction headphones with my iphone. I have the "titanium" model 
which are very light and very comfortable to wear. I often forget I am wearing 
them. The behind the head band keeps these in place and secure. I believe there 
are even newer and lighter models as well.

With these headphones, I can answer a phone call with one press of an easy to 
reach fairly large button on one of the arms. The microphone in the headphones 
picks up my conversation well and another press of that button hangs up the 
phone. 

Perhaps this would work for the client. 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB



On Oct 22, 2020, at 3:41 PM, mmmat  wrote:

That is a possibility. I am going to try to have him use Siri to call back a 
missed call first.  If that does not work for him, then I will have him try  
using voice control next, and if he still struggles, I will suggest the 
around-the neck Bluetooth or the Auto Answer Call option.

All good alternatives, just need to find the one he likes best.

Mario 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

If he had the around-the neck Bluetooth with telescopic earbuds, he'd have them 
on all the time. A lot of practice might get it for him, you think? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
mmmat
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

Thanks for all your responses.  I just don’t  think that having head phones or 
ear buds will work.  That means that he will either have them on all the time 
or quickly put them on when he gets a call.  I don’t think he will be able to 
react that quickly to answer the call.



I tried to show him how to quickly turn on voice over when he receives a call 
and then do a two finger double tap.  Again, too much for him to do in a short 
period of time.



Voice command  is an interesting  possibility.  I will experiment with this 
some to check out the feasibility.



Mario 







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone



For many uses, Voice Control works fine with VoiceOver if you are using 
headphones.

Otherwise, there are some issues with it hearing VoiceOver and confusing it.

The bottom line in  this use case though is I do not think it will help for 
answering the phone.

I would like to be wrong about that.







Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



Live long and prosper  



Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of doug 
parisian
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Fwd: Answering iPhone



Sorry gentle readers, this message was supposed to go to the entire group, must 
be a flaw in human software!





 Forwarded Message  

Subject: 

Re: Answering iPhone

Date: 

Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:54:48 -0500

From: 

doug parisian  <mailto:eggm...@shaw.ca> 

To: 

Daniel MacDonald  
<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 



I have read several messages claiming voice control works poorly with 
voiceover.  In fact, this is logical when not using any external listening 
devices.  The mike is constantly listening and so may react in unexpected ways 
to a word or phrase spoken by Voiceover.



So, if you want/need to use voice control, do so with an external device with a 
microphone.  I love voice control for many situations and only wish it could be 
used to activate features of programs once opened.


On 2020-10-21 6:11 p.m., Daniel MacDonald wrote:
> Have you considered voice control? Since your client has some sight > it 
> could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well > as I, and 
> others I presoom, would 

Re: Answering iPhone

2020-10-22 Thread Dave Clement
Hi, 

Another thought that might benefit your client.  I often use Aftershokz 
bluetooth bone induction headphones with my iphone. I have the "titanium" model 
which are very light and very comfortable to wear. I often forget I am wearing 
them. The behind the head band keeps these in place and secure. I believe there 
are even newer and lighter models as well.

With these headphones, I can answer a phone call with one press of an easy to 
reach fairly large button on one of the arms. The microphone in the headphones 
picks up my conversation well and another press of that button hangs up the 
phone. 

Perhaps this would work for the client. 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB



On Oct 22, 2020, at 3:41 PM, mmmat  wrote:

That is a possibility. I am going to try to have him use Siri to call back a 
missed call first.  If that does not work for him, then I will have him try  
using voice control next, and if he still struggles, I will suggest the 
around-the neck Bluetooth or the Auto Answer Call option.

All good alternatives, just need to find the one he likes best.

Mario 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

If he had the around-the neck Bluetooth with telescopic earbuds, he'd have them 
on all the time. A lot of practice might get it for him, you think? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
mmmat
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

Thanks for all your responses.  I just don’t  think that having head phones or 
ear buds will work.  That means that he will either have them on all the time 
or quickly put them on when he gets a call.  I don’t think he will be able to 
react that quickly to answer the call.



I tried to show him how to quickly turn on voice over when he receives a call 
and then do a two finger double tap.  Again, too much for him to do in a short 
period of time.



Voice command  is an interesting  possibility.  I will experiment with this 
some to check out the feasibility.



Mario 







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone



For many uses, Voice Control works fine with VoiceOver if you are using 
headphones.

Otherwise, there are some issues with it hearing VoiceOver and confusing it.

The bottom line in  this use case though is I do not think it will help for 
answering the phone.

I would like to be wrong about that.







Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



Live long and prosper  



Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com 
<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Ca7d9f9bf0b1d49f7f4e208d7a1e6e84d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637155885424004847=GAS0RAqWfHdt9hOSucJNEOC55%2BzEXVlKjLICjbY0SJE%3D=0>
 



From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of doug 
parisian
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Fwd: Answering iPhone



Sorry gentle readers, this message was supposed to go to the entire group, must 
be a flaw in human software!





 Forwarded Message  

Subject: 

Re: Answering iPhone

Date: 

Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:54:48 -0500

From: 

doug parisian  <mailto:eggm...@shaw.ca> 

To: 

Daniel MacDonald  
<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 



I have read several messages claiming voice control works poorly with 
voiceover.  In fact, this is logical when not using any external listening 
devices.  The mike is constantly listening and so may react in unexpected ways 
to a word or phrase spoken by Voiceover.



So, if you want/need to use voice control, do so with an external device with a 
microphone.  I love voice control for many situations and only wish it could be 
used to activate features of programs once opened.


On 2020-10-21 6:11 p.m., Daniel MacDonald wrote:
> Have you considered voice control? Since your client has some sight > it 
> could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well > as I, and 
> others I presoom, would like. But for low vision users, > their is also Zoom 
> which from what people tell me, works quite well. > I am totally blind, so 
> cannot vouch for how well or not, Zoom works. > Daniel > > >> On Oct 21, 
> 2020, at 

RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-22 Thread mmmat
That is a possibility. I am going to try to have him use Siri to call back a 
missed call first.  If that does not work for him, then I will have him try  
using voice control next, and if he still struggles, I will suggest the 
around-the neck Bluetooth or the Auto Answer Call option.

All good alternatives, just need to find the one he likes best.

Mario 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

If he had the around-the neck Bluetooth with telescopic earbuds, he'd have them 
on all the time. A lot of practice might get it for him, you think? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
mmmat
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

Thanks for all your responses.  I just don’t  think that having head phones or 
ear buds will work.  That means that he will either have them on all the time 
or quickly put them on when he gets a call.  I don’t think he will be able to 
react that quickly to answer the call.

 

I tried to show him how to quickly turn on voice over when he receives a call 
and then do a two finger double tap.  Again, too much for him to do in a short 
period of time.

 

Voice command  is an interesting  possibility.  I will experiment with this 
some to check out the feasibility.

 

Mario 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

For many uses, Voice Control works fine with VoiceOver if you are using 
headphones.

Otherwise, there are some issues with it hearing VoiceOver and confusing it.

The bottom line in  this use case though is I do not think it will help for 
answering the phone.

I would like to be wrong about that.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

Live long and prosper  

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com 
<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Ca7d9f9bf0b1d49f7f4e208d7a1e6e84d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637155885424004847=GAS0RAqWfHdt9hOSucJNEOC55%2BzEXVlKjLICjbY0SJE%3D=0>
 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of doug 
parisian
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Fwd: Answering iPhone

 

Sorry gentle readers, this message was supposed to go to the entire group, must 
be a flaw in human software!

 



 Forwarded Message ---- 

Subject: 

Re: Answering iPhone

Date: 

Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:54:48 -0500

From: 

doug parisian  <mailto:eggm...@shaw.ca> 

To: 

Daniel MacDonald  
<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 

 

I have read several messages claiming voice control works poorly with 
voiceover.  In fact, this is logical when not using any external listening 
devices.  The mike is constantly listening and so may react in unexpected ways 
to a word or phrase spoken by Voiceover.

 

So, if you want/need to use voice control, do so with an external device with a 
microphone.  I love voice control for many situations and only wish it could be 
used to activate features of programs once opened.


On 2020-10-21 6:11 p.m., Daniel MacDonald wrote:
> Have you considered voice control? Since your client has some sight > it 
> could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well > as I, and 
> others I presoom, would like. But for low vision users, > their is also Zoom 
> which from what people tell me, works quite well. > I am totally blind, so 
> cannot vouch for how well or not, Zoom works. > Daniel > > >> On Oct 21, 
> 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner >>  <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>  <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > >> wrote: >> >> There is no speak 
> command to answer the phone. There is an auto >> answer setting you can 
> enable but that means it's going to answer >> whether he's by the phone or 
> not. Not my first choice. Otherwise I >> think voiceover gesture is the only 
> way unless he can learn where >> to touch his finger and slide to answer 
> without voiceover. Sadly, >> Siri will not read emails. I suppose you could 
> try turning on >> speak screen, but he would

RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-22 Thread Carolyn
Mario, let us know what yall finally work out for a solution. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
mmmat
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

Yeah.  You can not use Siri to answer the call, but you can use it to call 
back.  I like it.  It is simple and a workable solution.

 

Thanks to the group for all your ideas, it gave me some other options and 
helped me to think through the process better.

 

Mario 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Using SIRI to call back is a good option.  I don’t know how many times that I 
have tried to call a sighted person and was in the process of leaving them a 
voice mail when they called me back.  It is not just a blind thing being to 
slow to answer a call.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, 
signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

 

From: mmmat <mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>  

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:54 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

There is no speak command to answer the phone.

There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's 
going to answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.

Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn 
where to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to 
be able to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would 
write Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to 
read emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and 
is stupid in my opinion that it does not.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting 
grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is 
also suffering from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He 
is using an iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it 
will be too difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with 
him using the Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call 
without being able to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully 
send an email message using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri 
read and email message aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email 
messages, it only tells me the name of the sender and the subject line and does 
not read the actual email message.

 

Any help is much ap

RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-22 Thread Carolyn
That does sound like a sensible plan for the man. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
mmmat
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 9:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

Interesting.  I will review the auto answer with him.  Maybe if it is a 30 or 
60 second delay, it might work for him.  Another good option.

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 9:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

I just checked the Auto answer settings. You can set it to auto answer between 
3 and 60 seconds. 

The setting is under settings, accessibility, touch.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

 

What is really stopping him having voiceover on?

 

Just doesn’t want it or it will cause confusion for him?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of mmmat
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 1:54 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
    Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is 
that he responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes 
any gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI 
to call back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact 
list, Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it 
could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and 
others I presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom 
which from what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot 
vouch for how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

There is no speak command to answer the phone.

There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means 
it's going to answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.

Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he 
can learn where to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would 
have to be able to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  
I would write Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting 
Siri to read emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the 
start and is stupid in my opinion that it does not.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he 
must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision 
and is also suffering from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed 
easily.  He is using an iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over. 
 I think it will be too difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to 
accomplish with him using the Hey Siri command or any other speaking option

RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-22 Thread Carolyn
If he had the around-the neck Bluetooth with telescopic earbuds, he'd have them 
on all the time. A lot of practice might get it for him, you think? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
mmmat
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

Thanks for all your responses.  I just don’t  think that having head phones or 
ear buds will work.  That means that he will either have them on all the time 
or quickly put them on when he gets a call.  I don’t think he will be able to 
react that quickly to answer the call.

 

I tried to show him how to quickly turn on voice over when he receives a call 
and then do a two finger double tap.  Again, too much for him to do in a short 
period of time.

 

Voice command  is an interesting  possibility.  I will experiment with this 
some to check out the feasibility.

 

Mario 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

For many uses, Voice Control works fine with VoiceOver if you are using 
headphones.

Otherwise, there are some issues with it hearing VoiceOver and confusing it.

The bottom line in  this use case though is I do not think it will help for 
answering the phone.

I would like to be wrong about that.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

Live long and prosper  

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of doug 
parisian
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Fwd: Answering iPhone

 

Sorry gentle readers, this message was supposed to go to the entire group, must 
be a flaw in human software!

 



 Forwarded Message ---- 

Subject: 

Re: Answering iPhone

Date: 

Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:54:48 -0500

From: 

doug parisian  <mailto:eggm...@shaw.ca> 

To: 

Daniel MacDonald  
<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 

 

I have read several messages claiming voice control works poorly with 
voiceover.  In fact, this is logical when not using any external listening 
devices.  The mike is constantly listening and so may react in unexpected ways 
to a word or phrase spoken by Voiceover.

 

So, if you want/need to use voice control, do so with an external device with a 
microphone.  I love voice control for many situations and only wish it could be 
used to activate features of programs once opened.


On 2020-10-21 6:11 p.m., Daniel MacDonald wrote:
> Have you considered voice control? Since your client has some sight > it 
> could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well > as I, and 
> others I presoom, would like. But for low vision users, > their is also Zoom 
> which from what people tell me, works quite well. > I am totally blind, so 
> cannot vouch for how well or not, Zoom works. > Daniel > > >> On Oct 21, 
> 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner >>  <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>  <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > >> wrote: >> >> There is no speak 
> command to answer the phone. There is an auto >> answer setting you can 
> enable but that means it's going to answer >> whether he's by the phone or 
> not. Not my first choice. Otherwise I >> think voiceover gesture is the only 
> way unless he can learn where >> to touch his finger and slide to answer 
> without voiceover. Sadly, >> Siri will not read emails. I suppose you could 
> try turning on >> speak screen, but he would have to be able to open the 
> email >> first, and that does not sound possible. So I would write Apple >> 
> accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to >> read 
> emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from >> the start and 
> is stupid in my opinion that it does not. >> >> >> >> >> Richard "He that 
> cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which >> he must pass himself,” 
> and we forget that only grace can break the &g

RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-22 Thread mmmat
Yeah.  You can not use Siri to answer the call, but you can use it to call 
back.  I like it.  It is simple and a workable solution.

 

Thanks to the group for all your ideas, it gave me some other options and 
helped me to think through the process better.

 

Mario 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Using SIRI to call back is a good option.  I don’t know how many times that I 
have tried to call a sighted person and was in the process of leaving them a 
voice mail when they called me back.  It is not just a blind thing being to 
slow to answer a call.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, 
signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

 

From: mmmat <mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>  

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:54 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

There is no speak command to answer the phone.

There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.

Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

 

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Re: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread Marty Hutchings
Using SIRI to call back is a good option.  I don’t know how many times that I 
have tried to call a sighted person and was in the process of leaving them a 
voice mail when they called me back.  It is not just a blind thing being to 
slow to answer a call.

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, 
signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

From: mmmat 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 





  On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

   

  There is no speak command to answer the phone.

  There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.

  Not my first choice.

  Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

  Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

  I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.

   

   

   

   

  Richard

  "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat  wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also 
suffering from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is 
using an iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it 
will be too difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using 
the Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being 
able to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email 
message using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email 
message aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells 
me the name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual 
email message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

 

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RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Ok, that’s kind of what I thought with the demensure

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of mmmat
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 2:30 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

Having voiceover on is too demanding on him.  Too confusing.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

What is really stopping him having voiceover on?

Just doesn’t want it or it will cause confusion for him?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of mmmat
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 1:54 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

Mario


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works.
Daniel


On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

There is no speak command to answer the phone.
There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.
Not my first choice.
Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.
Sadly, Siri will not read emails.
I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat 
mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

Any help is much appreciated.

Mario


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RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread mmmat
Interesting.  I will review the auto answer with him.  Maybe if it is a 30 or 
60 second delay, it might work for him.  Another good option.

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 9:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

I just checked the Auto answer settings. You can set it to auto answer between 
3 and 60 seconds. 

The setting is under settings, accessibility, touch.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

 

What is really stopping him having voiceover on?

 

Just doesn’t want it or it will cause confusion for him?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of mmmat
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 1:54 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

There is no speak command to answer the phone.

There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.

Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

 

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RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread mmmat
Having voiceover on is too demanding on him.  Too confusing.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

What is really stopping him having voiceover on?

 

Just doesn’t want it or it will cause confusion for him?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of mmmat
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 1:54 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

There is no speak command to answer the phone.

There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.

Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

 

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2020-10-21 Thread Richard Turner
I just checked the Auto answer settings. You can set it to auto answer between 
3 and 60 seconds.
The setting is under settings, accessibility, touch.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:


What is really stopping him having voiceover on?

Just doesn’t want it or it will cause confusion for him?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of mmmat
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 1:54 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

Mario


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works.
Daniel


On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

There is no speak command to answer the phone.
There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.
Not my first choice.
Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.
Sadly, Siri will not read emails.
I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat 
mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

Any help is much appreciated.

Mario


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RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
What is really stopping him having voiceover on?

Just doesn’t want it or it will cause confusion for him?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of mmmat
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 1:54 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

Mario


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works.
Daniel


On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

There is no speak command to answer the phone.
There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.
Not my first choice.
Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.
Sadly, Siri will not read emails.
I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat 
mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

Any help is much appreciated.

Mario


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RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread mmmat
He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 





On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

There is no speak command to answer the phone.

There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.

Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

 

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RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread mmmat
Thanks for all your responses.  I just don’t  think that having head phones or 
ear buds will work.  That means that he will either have them on all the time 
or quickly put them on when he gets a call.  I don’t think he will be able to 
react that quickly to answer the call.

 

I tried to show him how to quickly turn on voice over when he receives a call 
and then do a two finger double tap.  Again, too much for him to do in a short 
period of time.

 

Voice command  is an interesting  possibility.  I will experiment with this 
some to check out the feasibility.

 

Mario 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

For many uses, Voice Control works fine with VoiceOver if you are using 
headphones.

Otherwise, there are some issues with it hearing VoiceOver and confusing it.

The bottom line in  this use case though is I do not think it will help for 
answering the phone.

I would like to be wrong about that.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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Re: Answering iPhone


Date: 

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From: 

doug parisian  <mailto:eggm...@shaw.ca> 


To: 

Daniel MacDonald  <mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 


 

I have read several messages claiming voice control works poorly with 
voiceover.  In fact, this is logical when not using any external listening 
devices.  The mike is constantly listening and so may react in unexpected ways 
to a word or phrase spoken by Voiceover.

 

So, if you want/need to use voice control, do so with an external device with a 
microphone.  I love voice control for many situations and only wish it could be 
used to activate features of programs once opened.


On 2020-10-21 6:11 p.m., Daniel MacDonald wrote:
> Have you considered voice control? Since your client has some sight > it 
> could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well > as I, and 
> others I presoom, would like. But for low vision users, > their is also Zoom 
> which from what people tell me, works quite well. > I am totally blind, so 
> cannot vouch for how well or not, Zoom works. > Daniel > > >> On Oct 21, 
> 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner >>  <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>   <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> >> wrote: >> >> There is no speak 
> command to answer the phone. There is an auto >> answer setting you can 
> enable but that means it's going to answer >> whether he's by the phone or 
> not. Not my first choice. Otherwise I >> think voiceover gesture is the only 
> way unless he can learn where >> to touch his finger and slide to answer 
> without voiceover. Sadly, >> Siri will not read emails. I suppose you could 
> try turning on >> speak screen, but he would have to be able to open the 
> email >> first, and that does not sound possible. So I would write Apple >> 
> accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to >> read 
> emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from >> the start and 
> is stupid in my opinion that it does not. >> >> >> >> >> Richard "He that 
> cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which >> he must pass himself,” 
> and we forget that only grace can break the >> cycle of ancient hatreds among 
> peoples. (It is notable that while I >> have regretted not granting grace to 
> others, I’ve never once >> regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert >> >>> 
> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat  <mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> 
> >>  <mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> 

RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread Carolyn
Bluetooth would work too, wouldn't it, and he could get those telescoping ones. 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

Yes, using the wired earbuds would be the best way.

 

Sadly, the suggestion of Voice Control that someone made likely won’t work as 
there is no voice command for answer phone that I’ve found.

You may be able to say tap answer button, but you would have to hang up 
manually since voice control stops listening when you are on a call.

 

 

 

 

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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Clement
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Hi, 

 

One potential way to handle answering the phone could be to employ the Apple 
earbuds. If you are using them and the phone rings, you can press the centre of 
the control on the earbud cord. This will answer the phone call. The centre of 
that control is also the microphone so you can simply talk away on the call. To 
hang up you simply press the centre again after the call. 

 

How feasible this will be depends on the individual wearing the earbuds with 
the phone. A more expensive option could be to use Air Pods which are bluetooth 
and provide a similar function. Other less expensive bluetooth headphone / 
microphone devices may also provide a similar function. With bluetooth you 
would not have to be physically tethered to the phone by a cord. However, you 
would need to consider what needs to be done to care for the bluetooth devices. 

 

Yes, SIRI can send emails but sadly, as you say, won't read them to you. SIRI 
can send text messages and will read back any "new" (unread) text messages you 
have waiting. SIRI will ask if you wish to reply to a given text message it 
reads out. 

 

If using Voiceover gestures presents difficulties, perhaps using the "voice 
command" feature of IOS would help. "Voice Command" used to work in conjunction 
with Voiceover but I have heard, but not confirmed, that under IOS 14.x, it no 
longer does. Still, this might be an option for issuing IOS system commands. 
Just a thought. 

 

Dave Clement

Winnipeg MB

will 


On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available. 

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

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RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread Carolyn
Doesn't Auto Answer answer on the second ring, or can you adjust it to three or 
four rings? 

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Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

There is no speak command to answer the phone.
There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.
Not my first choice.
Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.
Sadly, Siri will not read emails.
I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.






Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat  wrote:



 

Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also 
suffering from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is 
using an iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it 
will be too difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him 
using the Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available. 

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without 
being able to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an 
email message using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and 
email message aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only 
tells me the name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the 
actual email message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 



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RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread Richard Turner
For many uses, Voice Control works fine with VoiceOver if you are using 
headphones.
Otherwise, there are some issues with it hearing VoiceOver and confusing it.
The bottom line in  this use case though is I do not think it will help for 
answering the phone.
I would like to be wrong about that.



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Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:59 PM
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Sorry gentle readers, this message was supposed to go to the entire group, must 
be a flaw in human software!




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Subject:
Re: Answering iPhone
Date:
Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:54:48 -0500
From:
doug parisian <mailto:eggm...@shaw.ca>
To:
Daniel MacDonald 
<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>


I have read several messages claiming voice control works poorly with 
voiceover.  In fact, this is logical when not using any external listening 
devices.  The mike is constantly listening and so may react in unexpected ways 
to a word or phrase spoken by Voiceover.



So, if you want/need to use voice control, do so with an external device with a 
microphone.  I love voice control for many situations and only wish it could be 
used to activate features of programs once opened.

On 2020-10-21 6:11 p.m., Daniel MacDonald wrote:
> Have you considered voice control? Since your client has some sight > it 
> could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well > as I, and 
> others I presoom, would like. But for low vision users, > their is also Zoom 
> which from what people tell me, works quite well. > I am totally blind, so 
> cannot vouch for how well or not, Zoom works. > Daniel > > >> On Oct 21, 
> 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner >> 
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com><mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> >> 
> wrote: >> >> There is no speak command to answer the phone. There is an auto 
> >> answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to answer >> 
> whether he's by the phone or not. Not my first choice. Otherwise I >> think 
> voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where >> to touch his 
> finger and slide to answer without voiceover. Sadly, >> Siri will not read 
> emails. I suppose you could try turning on >> speak screen, but he would have 
> to be able to open the email >> first, and that does not sound possible. So I 
> would write Apple >> accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting 
> Siri to >> read emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from >> 
> the start and is stupid in my opinion that it does not. >> >> >> >> >> 
> Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which >> he 
> must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the >> cycle of 
> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I >> have regretted 
> not granting grace to others, I’ve never once >> regretted extending it.)" - 
> Edward Herbert >> >>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat  ><mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>>> 
> <mailto:mmm...@comcast.net><mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>> wrote: >>> >>>  Hi 
> Group, >>> >>> I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is 
> >>> also suffering from a mild case of dementia and he gets >>> overwhelmed 
> easily. He is using an iPhone 8 and I am very >>> reluctant to turn on voice 
> over. I think it will be too >>> difficult for him to remember the voiceover 
> commands. >>> >>> There are two immediate things that I want to accomplish 
> with >>> him using the Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if >>> 
> available. >>> >>> First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call 
> >>> without being able to see the screen. Second, we were able to >>> 
> successfully send an email message using the Hey Siri command. >&

Fwd: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread doug parisian
Sorry gentle readers, this message was supposed to go to the entire 
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Subject:Re: Answering iPhone
Date:   Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:54:48 -0500
From:   doug parisian 
To: Daniel MacDonald 



I have read several messages claiming voice control works poorly with 
voiceover.  In fact, this is logical when not using any external 
listening devices.  The mike is constantly listening and so may react in 
unexpected ways to a word or phrase spoken by Voiceover.



So, if you want/need to use voice control, do so with an external device 
with a microphone.  I love voice control for many situations and only 
wish it could be used to activate features of programs once opened.



On 2020-10-21 6:11 p.m., Daniel MacDonald wrote:
Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight  > it could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well > 
as I, and others I presoom, would like. But for low vision users, > 
their is also Zoom which from what people tell me, works quite well. > I 
am totally blind, so cannot vouch for how well or not, Zoom works. > 
Daniel > > >> On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner >> 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> >> 
wrote: >> >> There is no speak command to answer the phone. There is an 
auto >> answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer >> whether he's by the phone or not. Not my first choice. 
Otherwise I >> think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can 
learn where >> to touch his finger and slide to answer without 
voiceover. Sadly, >> Siri will not read emails. I suppose you could try 
turning on >> speak screen, but he would have to be able to open the 
email >> first, and that does not sound possible. So I would write Apple 
>> accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to >> 
read emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from >> the 
start and is stupid in my opinion that it does not. >> >> >> >> >> 
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which >> 
he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the >> 
cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I >> 
have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once >> 
regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert >> >>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 
3:12 PM, mmmat >> <mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>> 
wrote: >>> >>>  Hi Group, >>> >>> I am working with an individual that 
is very low vision and is >>> also suffering from a mild case of 
dementia and he gets >>> overwhelmed easily. He is using an iPhone 8 and 
I am very >>> reluctant to turn on voice over. I think it will be too 
>>> difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands. >>> >>> There 
are two immediate things that I want to accomplish with >>> him using 
the Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if >>> available. >>> 
>>> First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call >>> 
without being able to see the screen. Second, we were able to >>> 
successfully send an email message using the Hey Siri command. >>> Is 
there a way to have Siri read and email message aloud. Every >>> time I 
ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the >>> name of the 
sender and the subject line and does not read the >>> actual email 
message. >>> >>> Any help is much appreciated. >>> >>> Mario >>> >>> >>> 
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RE: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread Richard Turner
Yes, using the wired earbuds would be the best way.

Sadly, the suggestion of Voice Control that someone made likely won’t work as 
there is no voice command for answer phone that I’ve found.
You may be able to say tap answer button, but you would have to hang up 
manually since voice control stops listening when you are on a call.




Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

Hi,

One potential way to handle answering the phone could be to employ the Apple 
earbuds. If you are using them and the phone rings, you can press the centre of 
the control on the earbud cord. This will answer the phone call. The centre of 
that control is also the microphone so you can simply talk away on the call. To 
hang up you simply press the centre again after the call.

How feasible this will be depends on the individual wearing the earbuds with 
the phone. A more expensive option could be to use Air Pods which are bluetooth 
and provide a similar function. Other less expensive bluetooth headphone / 
microphone devices may also provide a similar function. With bluetooth you 
would not have to be physically tethered to the phone by a cord. However, you 
would need to consider what needs to be done to care for the bluetooth devices.

Yes, SIRI can send emails but sadly, as you say, won't read them to you. SIRI 
can send text messages and will read back any "new" (unread) text messages you 
have waiting. SIRI will ask if you wish to reply to a given text message it 
reads out.

If using Voiceover gestures presents difficulties, perhaps using the "voice 
command" feature of IOS would help. "Voice Command" used to work in conjunction 
with Voiceover but I have heard, but not confirmed, that under IOS 14.x, it no 
longer does. Still, this might be an option for issuing IOS system commands. 
Just a thought.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB
will

On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:12 PM, mmmat 
mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

Any help is much appreciated.

Mario

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Re: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread Dave Clement
Hi, 

One potential way to handle answering the phone could be to employ the Apple 
earbuds. If you are using them and the phone rings, you can press the centre of 
the control on the earbud cord. This will answer the phone call. The centre of 
that control is also the microphone so you can simply talk away on the call. To 
hang up you simply press the centre again after the call. 

How feasible this will be depends on the individual wearing the earbuds with 
the phone. A more expensive option could be to use Air Pods which are bluetooth 
and provide a similar function. Other less expensive bluetooth headphone / 
microphone devices may also provide a similar function. With bluetooth you 
would not have to be physically tethered to the phone by a cord. However, you 
would need to consider what needs to be done to care for the bluetooth devices. 

Yes, SIRI can send emails but sadly, as you say, won't read them to you. SIRI 
can send text messages and will read back any "new" (unread) text messages you 
have waiting. SIRI will ask if you wish to reply to a given text message it 
reads out. 

If using Voiceover gestures presents difficulties, perhaps using the "voice 
command" feature of IOS would help. "Voice Command" used to work in conjunction 
with Voiceover but I have heard, but not confirmed, that under IOS 14.x, it no 
longer does. Still, this might be an option for issuing IOS system commands. 
Just a thought. 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB
will 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:12 PM, mmmat  wrote:


Hi Group,
 
I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.
 
There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.
 
First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.
 
Any help is much appreciated.
 
Mario
 
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Re: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread Daniel MacDonald
Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 
Daniel


> On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> There is no speak command to answer the phone.
> There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
> answer whether he's by the phone or not.
> Not my first choice.
> Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
> to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.
> Sadly, Siri will not read emails.
> I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
> to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
> Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
> emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
> stupid in my opinion that it does not.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Group,
>>  
>> I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also 
>> suffering from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He 
>> is using an iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think 
>> it will be too difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.
>>  
>> There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
>> Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.
>>  
>> First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being 
>> able to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email 
>> message using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and 
>> email message aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it 
>> only tells me the name of the sender and the subject line and does not read 
>> the actual email message.
>>  
>> Any help is much appreciated.
>>  
>> Mario 
>>  
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Re: Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread Richard Turner
There is no speak command to answer the phone.
There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.
Not my first choice.
Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.
Sadly, Siri will not read emails.
I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.




Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat  wrote:


Hi Group,

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

Any help is much appreciated.

Mario


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Answering iPhone

2020-10-21 Thread mmmat
Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available. 

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

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Seeking app for answering Iphone 4s

2013-08-28 Thread Ray Wright
Hello,

Can anybody recommend an application that makes it easier to answer my phone. I 
do woodturning on a lathe and my fingers have a fine layer of sawdust on them 
and sometimes my phone won't answer when I slide or double tap the screen.

I have tried to use a stylus, but by the time I get my phone out of my pocket 
and then get my stylus out the phone has stopped ringing.

A friend of mine has an android phone and told me about an app called shake or 
something like that.  Apparently you can shake the phone to answer it and hang 
it up too. Is this available for the Iphone and is it accessible?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance,

Ray

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Re: Seeking app for answering Iphone 4s

2013-08-28 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi Ray,

Remember that a two-finger double-tap is how you answer the phone if VoiceOver 
is running. You could also wear headphones when you're working with the lathe; 
then you tap the center button to answer a call.

Best,
Anna



On Aug 28, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Ray Wright metaltip...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
  
 Can anybody recommend an application that makes it easier to answer my phone. 
 I do woodturning on a lathe and my fingers have a fine layer of sawdust on 
 them and sometimes my phone won't answer when I slide or double tap the 
 screen.
  
 I have tried to use a stylus, but by the time I get my phone out of my pocket 
 and then get my stylus out the phone has stopped ringing.
  
 A friend of mine has an android phone and told me about an app called shake 
 or something like that.  Apparently you can shake the phone to answer it and 
 hang it up too. Is this available for the Iphone and is it accessible?
  
 Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  
 Thank you in advance,
  
 Ray
 
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Re: Seeking app for answering Iphone 4s

2013-08-28 Thread Alan Paganelli
You could also try a Bluetooth ear peace.  You would hear the phone ring both 
from your phone and from the ear peace.  Then all you would need to do to 
answer the call is to press a button on the ear peace and never have to take 
your phone out of your pocket.  I use a Plantronics 520 Bluetooth ear peace 
which is probably no longer made but I do like the hands free operation for 
just such kinds of activities.  I first got it because when walking with a dog 
guide and having 1 hand on the harness handle and the other giving hand 
signals, I ran out of hands to answer the phone. grin

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  Subject: Seeking app for answering Iphone 4s


  Hello,

  Can anybody recommend an application that makes it easier to answer my phone. 
I do woodturning on a lathe and my fingers have a fine layer of sawdust on them 
and sometimes my phone won't answer when I slide or double tap the screen.

  I have tried to use a stylus, but by the time I get my phone out of my pocket 
and then get my stylus out the phone has stopped ringing.

  A friend of mine has an android phone and told me about an app called shake 
or something like that.  Apparently you can shake the phone to answer it and 
hang it up too. Is this available for the Iphone and is it accessible?

  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  Thank you in advance,

  Ray

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Re: Seeking app for answering Iphone 4s

2013-08-28 Thread Mike
As far as I know this is only possible if you jailbreak your phone. I know that 
is less than ideal and most likely not even an option right now but it's the 
only thing that I know would work.

Mike m
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On Aug 28, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Ray Wright metaltip...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
  
 Can anybody recommend an application that makes it easier to answer my phone. 
 I do woodturning on a lathe and my fingers have a fine layer of sawdust on 
 them and sometimes my phone won't answer when I slide or double tap the 
 screen.
  
 I have tried to use a stylus, but by the time I get my phone out of my pocket 
 and then get my stylus out the phone has stopped ringing.
  
 A friend of mine has an android phone and told me about an app called shake 
 or something like that.  Apparently you can shake the phone to answer it and 
 hang it up too. Is this available for the Iphone and is it accessible?
  
 Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  
 Thank you in advance,
  
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