Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Tge screen curtain probably also saves battery power as it’s not have to illuminate the screen. Peter From: Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 9:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Fair point. I didn't think of it as I rarely use head phones. I'll use an ear peace for phone calls because I need my hands free so that's why it never occurred to me. - Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Hi, If I'm in public, I tend to use headphones. If you use headphones and the screen curtain is on, people won't know what you're typing. Best, Anna On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: I may be nuts here but if your using this app or any other app for that matter and are using voice over, it seems to me that turning the screen curtain on offers little protection. People can still hear. Voice Over speech is clear enough for even the sighted to understand. If I've got the wrong end of it please tell me why but I just don't see how the curtain is any big deal worth bothering over. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12 Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote: I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as we do it with the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
I too would like this but I must say switching the dots around in settings did help me quite a bit. Don -- Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Hi Cheryl, I aggree that having both settings would be of benefit. I, like you don't have a problem, although I do make mistakes but am getting better at it all the time. I think that the way it is currently, means that it is easier to type when you're out and about but I can understand why people would like to have the keys round the other way. Having a choice of how you want to do things would be brilliant! Take care, Cokes. At 19:12 01/02/2013, you wrote: I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I pictured it until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing the phone outward to be spatially confusing; I think that's a matter of how each person looks at it. And I also don't find that I have to do hand-twisting to use BrailleTouch this way. I'm also not making lots of mistakes now that i'm getting used to it. My purpose isn't to deny or belittle others' opinions at all; I'm just saying that these statements, as well as my own here, are matters of personal preference and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It is not inevitable that everyone finds the position spatially confusing or feels they are doing hand-twisting but some people feel that way. It is also not inevitable that everyone find typing this way helpful and comfortable, as I for the most part do, though hopefully I am not the only one who does feel this way. Perhaps having both positions available would be the best of all worlds but I'm not in a position to know how feasible that really is. But it would be a dull world if we all thought about everything the same way even though it might make it easier for developers :-) -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
I may be nuts here but if your using this app or any other app for that matter and are using voice over, it seems to me that turning the screen curtain on offers little protection. People can still hear. Voice Over speech is clear enough for even the sighted to understand. If I've got the wrong end of it please tell me why but I just don't see how the curtain is any big deal worth bothering over. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12 Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote: I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as we do it with the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
It is worth noting that the text isn't on the screen as you type, or I've not found it there yet. I flick into the menu to read it, and tend to flip the phone back to face me to do it; though I can operate it quite well without. Just a visual habit I picked up when I could see enough for it to matter. Rh. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:45 AM Subject: RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Hi Bob, You can also turn screen brightness to 0%. First of all this will save you a bit of battery and while it is possible to read text with brightness at 0, it is very difficult and somebody would have to be quite close. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrailleTouch Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12 Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote: I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as we do it with the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
No, i have not found the text on the screen either without going back into the menu, but what I would like to see is a way to fix the text before putting it in whatEveR you are writing for. Thanks for suggestion about finding the square. Helps! Reggie and Brooks On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:04 AM, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: It is worth noting that the text isn't on the screen as you type, or I've not found it there yet. I flick into the menu to read it, and tend to flip the phone back to face me to do it; though I can operate it quite well without. Just a visual habit I picked up when I could see enough for it to matter. Rh. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:45 AM Subject: RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Hi Bob, You can also turn screen brightness to 0%. First of all this will save you a bit of battery and while it is possible to read text with brightness at 0, it is very difficult and somebody would have to be quite close. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrailleTouch Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12 Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote: I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as we do it with the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Hi, If I'm in public, I tend to use headphones. If you use headphones and the screen curtain is on, people won't know what you're typing. Best, Anna On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: I may be nuts here but if your using this app or any other app for that matter and are using voice over, it seems to me that turning the screen curtain on offers little protection. People can still hear. Voice Over speech is clear enough for even the sighted to understand. If I've got the wrong end of it please tell me why but I just don't see how the curtain is any big deal worth bothering over. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12 Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote: I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as we do it with the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
I would have to add my agreement with this as well. I would definitely prefer a horizontal placement for the Braille input. I did manage to get my head around the current method being used but the horizontal placement would be so much easier to use IMHO. Best, Rick alfaro On 2/1/2013 1:36 PM, Aman Singer wrote: Hello, Jonathan and all. I would respectfully agree with Jonathan. I would love a setting to allow entry using the screen divided into six rectangles horizontally across the screen, as it is on the Perkins and, for example, also on the refreshabraille. Remember that the virtual keys are long, so there doesn't need to be any hand twisting for the fingers to land on the right spots as there would be with button keys. I would be more than happy to trade the ability to type without a flat surface for the ability to type on such a six horizontal dot keyboard. I would be even more pleased if this were a setting which could be changed. Aman On 2/1/13, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
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I would like to see it as an option, maybe even switchable right from the BrailleTouch menu instead of in settings. Best, Rick alfaro On 2/1/2013 4:02 PM, Mary Otten wrote: I would definitely not be willing to trade this possible future option for horizontal key arrangement for the inability to type when I don't have a flat surface. I think this horizontal arrangement could be really useful if and when the app is made available for iPads, but on the phone, unless I had access to a proper desk, not my lap or other precarious position, I think the current arrangement is quite usable. Sure, it is different, but so is a touch screen different from what we were all use to not that long ago. If this option can be just that, an option, great. But particularly on the phone, I would really not like it. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I put my six fingers on the screen of my iPod Touch 5th Generation and they are tight together. Same of course on the iPHone 5. I don't have particularly large hands, but I would find that placement really difficult. If I was using a 4S, it would be impossible. However, for those who can manage that orientation, it would be good to offer that as an option, along with the current option of flipping dots a and 3, etc. JMO, Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:18 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected I would have to add my agreement with this as well. I would definitely prefer a horizontal placement for the Braille input. I did manage to get my head around the current method being used but the horizontal placement would be so much easier to use IMHO. Best, Rick alfaro On 2/1/2013 1:36 PM, Aman Singer wrote: Hello, Jonathan and all. I would respectfully agree with Jonathan. I would love a setting to allow entry using the screen divided into six rectangles horizontally across the screen, as it is on the Perkins and, for example, also on the refreshabraille. Remember that the virtual keys are long, so there doesn't need to be any hand twisting for the fingers to land on the right spots as there would be with button keys. I would be more than happy to trade the ability to type without a flat surface for the ability to type on such a six horizontal dot keyboard. I would be even more pleased if this were a setting which could be changed. Aman On 2/1/13, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Fair point. I didn't think of it as I rarely use head phones. I'll use an ear peace for phone calls because I need my hands free so that's why it never occurred to me. - Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Hi, If I'm in public, I tend to use headphones. If you use headphones and the screen curtain is on, people won't know what you're typing. Best, Anna On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: I may be nuts here but if your using this app or any other app for that matter and are using voice over, it seems to me that turning the screen curtain on offers little protection. People can still hear. Voice Over speech is clear enough for even the sighted to understand. If I've got the wrong end of it please tell me why but I just don't see how the curtain is any big deal worth bothering over. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12 Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote: I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as we do it with the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you
Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille cell more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind of prepared me for this. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Hello Jonathan. I'd like to agree with you about the repositioning of how you might put your fingers. Only because, earlier, myfingers began to ache and I am worried that one might get RSI. I don't want to be sceptical, but, we need our hands as for us all, our hands are important to us due to our inability to see. Kawal. On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Where is this podcast, I have missed this due to the traffic. Kawal. On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:29 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille cell more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind of prepared me for this. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hello, Jonathan and all. I would respectfully agree with Jonathan. I would love a setting to allow entry using the screen divided into six rectangles horizontally across the screen, as it is on the Perkins and, for example, also on the refreshabraille. Remember that the virtual keys are long, so there doesn't need to be any hand twisting for the fingers to land on the right spots as there would be with button keys. I would be more than happy to trade the ability to type without a flat surface for the ability to type on such a six horizontal dot keyboard. I would be even more pleased if this were a setting which could be changed. Aman On 2/1/13, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
The podcast is at AppleVis. Jenn Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Where is this podcast, I have missed this due to the traffic. Kawal. On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:29 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille cell more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind of prepared me for this. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
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Oh that podcast, it didn't work for me and at the time I was at work using my I phone. Kawal. On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:40 PM, Jennie Facer pup...@me.com wrote: The podcast is at AppleVis. Jenn Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Where is this podcast, I have missed this due to the traffic. Kawal. On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:29 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille cell more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind of prepared me for this. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
I agree as well. The vertical lay-out and the requirement to face the phone outward are spatially confusing, and the unavailability of Grade 2 braille can cause one who is used to writing in Grade 2 to make lots of mistakes. Since developers are also on this list, I wonder if they can comment on whether a horizontal orientation is possible and, if so, what kind of priority can be given to making such a change as well as when we might expect Grade 2 to be added. Thanks. Penny Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Hello Jonathan. I'd like to agree with you about the repositioning of how you might put your fingers. Only because, earlier, myfingers began to ache and I am worried that one might get RSI. I don't want to be sceptical, but, we need our hands as for us all, our hands are important to us due to our inability to see. Kawal. On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I pictured it until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing the phone outward to be spatially confusing; I think that's a matter of how each person looks at it. And I also don't find that I have to do hand-twisting to use BrailleTouch this way. I'm also not making lots of mistakes now that i'm getting used to it. My purpose isn't to deny or belittle others' opinions at all; I'm just saying that these statements, as well as my own here, are matters of personal preference and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It is not inevitable that everyone finds the position spatially confusing or feels they are doing hand-twisting but some people feel that way. It is also not inevitable that everyone find typing this way helpful and comfortable, as I for the most part do, though hopefully I am not the only one who does feel this way. Perhaps having both positions available would be the best of all worlds but I'm not in a position to know how feasible that really is. But it would be a dull world if we all thought about everything the same way even though it might make it easier for developers :-) -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I agree that this should be an option in a future update. I think it would apply to a larger market this way, since people are different at everything, this includes braille. I think I would find this easier myself, though I'm quite adjusted to the way they have it set up. It took me about a week before I was able to get up to the 35 wpm I can do with it now. I've been using the app since late December, and it seems that 35 WPM or so is about as high as I'll ever get with it. Certainly much faster than I was with Flesky or the virtual keyboard. Scott On 2/1/13, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I pictured it until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing the phone outward to be spatially confusing; I think that's a matter of how each person looks at it. And I also don't find that I have to do hand-twisting to use BrailleTouch this way. I'm also not making lots of mistakes now that i'm getting used to it. My purpose isn't to deny or belittle others' opinions at all; I'm just saying that these statements, as well as my own here, are matters of personal preference and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It is not inevitable that everyone finds the position spatially confusing or feels they are doing hand-twisting but some people feel that way. It is also not inevitable that everyone find typing this way helpful and comfortable, as I for the most part do, though hopefully I am not the only one who does feel this way. Perhaps having both positions available would be the best of all worlds but I'm not in a position to know how feasible that really is. But it would be a dull world if we all thought about everything the same way even though it might make it easier for developers :-) -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I cannot wait for grade two. That will make it much faster, but I don't have much problem now laying my fingers correctly now besides the occasional inadvertent finger taps just because I have my fingers very close to the screen and my fingers on either hand can get a bit anxious to tap instead of waiting for the rest! (smiles) Reggie and Brooks On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Jennie Facer pup...@me.com wrote: The podcast is at AppleVis. Jenn Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Where is this podcast, I have missed this due to the traffic. Kawal. On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:29 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille cell more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind of prepared me for this. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
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Good evening folks, Just a note on the braille touch, which is very much easier to use when altering the keys in advanced settings so that the keyboard becomes like a Stainsby. A Stainsby predates the Perkins and was noisy and relatively primitivbe, however my brief experience with it makes the braille touch very much easier. I use the braille touch with the phone lying flat with the home button to the right. Dot 1 is now made with my left ring finger and dot 6 with my right index finger. I can get a reasonable speed with this method although 100% accuracy has never been my forte, irrespective of qwerty or braille keyboards. I look forward to the grade 2 update. James. a On 1 Feb 2013, at 21:02, Mary Otten wrote: I would definitely not be willing to trade this possible future option for horizontal key arrangement for the inability to type when I don't have a flat surface. I think this horizontal arrangement could be really useful if and when the app is made available for iPads, but on the phone, unless I had access to a proper desk, not my lap or other precarious position, I think the current arrangement is quite usable. Sure, it is different, but so is a touch screen different from what we were all use to not that long ago. If this option can be just that, an option, great. But particularly on the phone, I would really not like it. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I guess it's down to personal preference and likely based on what method you've learned Braille with. I find the method you suggest much harder. Peter -Original Message- From: James Muirhead Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Good evening folks, Just a note on the braille touch, which is very much easier to use when altering the keys in advanced settings so that the keyboard becomes like a Stainsby. A Stainsby predates the Perkins and was noisy and relatively primitivbe, however my brief experience with it makes the braille touch very much easier. I use the braille touch with the phone lying flat with the home button to the right. Dot 1 is now made with my left ring finger and dot 6 with my right index finger. I can get a reasonable speed with this method although 100% accuracy has never been my forte, irrespective of qwerty or braille keyboards. I look forward to the grade 2 update. James. a On 1 Feb 2013, at 21:02, Mary Otten wrote: I would definitely not be willing to trade this possible future option for horizontal key arrangement for the inability to type when I don't have a flat surface. I think this horizontal arrangement could be really useful if and when the app is made available for iPads, but on the phone, unless I had access to a proper desk, not my lap or other precarious position, I think the current arrangement is quite usable. Sure, it is different, but so is a touch screen different from what we were all use to not that long ago. If this option can be just that, an option, great. But particularly on the phone, I would really not like it. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Penny, Thanks for your questions. I can't yet promise a date for Grade 2 contracted braille. But we are working on it, and we are very excited about offering this in a future update! We will look into an option for a horizontal keyboard layout, but I can't promise this. I certainly understand that this would be more intuitive. But as others have pointed out, it would require you to lay your iPhone on a desk or other surface. Some people have discovered that BrailleTouch works for them when laying flat on a desk. They position their hands in a V-shape. Your index fingers are in the middle of the screen closest to you. Your ring fingers are in the far left and far right corners of the screen. This is undocumented and not in our User Guide. But it does work for some people, and is more like typing on a Perkins, though not exactly so. Make sure the flip dots setting is turned off if you try this. There are other potential issues with adding a straight line horizontal keyboard option to BrailleTouch The touch surface on the iPhone does not cover the entire flat glass face of the device. Rather, it is a smaller rectangle in the middle of the glass. This means there is the potential that your fingers on the left for dot 3 and on the right for dot 6 would slip off the touch sensitive area of the glass. For example, you could type the letter T (dots 2-3-4-5) and your dot 3 finger could be on the glass but out of the touch sensitive area. BrailleTouch would then see dots 2-4-5 and say the letter J. This would be very frustrating and error prone. You can try this for yourself. Place your iPhone flat on a table and pretend to type on a horizontal braille keyboard on the touchscreen. Then tap dots 3 and dots 6 and see if the touchscreen recognizes these fingers. I suspect for some of you that it will not, as these fingers will be on the glass but not on the touch sensitive zone. I'm not saying that a horizontal keyboard layout is impossible. But it will be challenging to find a solution that will work for most people, be accurate, and not be frustrating. On a related note, you can read why BrailleTouch is not available for the iPad here http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a8. I hope this helps! Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 1:48 PM, Penny Reeder wrote: I agree as well. The vertical lay-out and the requirement to face the phone outward are spatially confusing, and the unavailability of Grade 2 braille can cause one who is used to writing in Grade 2 to make lots of mistakes. Since developers are also on this list, I wonder if they can comment on whether a horizontal orientation is possible and, if so, what kind of priority can be given to making such a change as well as when we might expect Grade 2 to be added. Thanks. Penny Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Hello Jonathan. I'd like to agree with you about the repositioning of how you might put your fingers. Only because, earlier, myfingers began to ache and I am worried that one might get RSI. I don't want to be sceptical, but, we need our hands as for us all, our hands are important to us due to our inability to see. Kawal. On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. ---
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The only issue that I am having with Braille Touch, and frankly, I'm not sure if this is even a Braille Touch issue, is that I can't paste text from Braille Touch into a facebook status. Facebook has recently updated the app, so I'm thinking this is a facebook issue. Other than that, for me, Braille Touch is wonderful. Yes, it takes time, practice, and coordination to get the holding position of the phone down, but that is no big deal. Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie Westwood Church of God Internet Prayer Chain Coordinator and Avon Representative HTTP://WWW.YOURAVON.COM/ELIZABETHULRICH HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
I would also like to be able to put it on a flat surface. I found it awkward to type with the way you have to hold the phone and use your fingers to type. I feel like there's more potential for dropping the phone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 11:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
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I know I've said it before, but before the advent of Perkins, and upward braille writers in general; all braille writing was done in this cell format. In the older instance, it was even in mirror image, opposite to how it was read. you wrote from the back, so this app isn't that far fetched, though you do need a long memory to have recognised it. Rh. - Original Message - From: Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille cell more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind of prepared me for this. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Excellent, Scott. I compared my typing on BrailleTouch and Fleksy, which is a program I really like. I just started playing with BrailleTouch yesterday, and have already eclipsed my Fleksy speed. That's why I decided to buy it. As you said very well, everyone is an individual, and some may not reach an acceptable speed with BrailleTouch. But I, for one, have adjusted well, and am very happy I made the purchase. Imagine our typing speed if Grade 2 was there!! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that this should be an option in a future update. I think it would apply to a larger market this way, since people are different at everything, this includes braille. I think I would find this easier myself, though I'm quite adjusted to the way they have it set up. It took me about a week before I was able to get up to the 35 wpm I can do with it now. I've been using the app since late December, and it seems that 35 WPM or so is about as high as I'll ever get with it. Certainly much faster than I was with Flesky or the virtual keyboard. Scott On 2/1/13, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I pictured it until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing the phone outward to be spatially confusing; I think that's a matter of how each person looks at it. And I also don't find that I have to do hand-twisting to use BrailleTouch this way. I'm also not making lots of mistakes now that i'm getting used to it. My purpose isn't to deny or belittle others' opinions at all; I'm just saying that these statements, as well as my own here, are matters of personal preference and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It is not inevitable that everyone finds the position spatially confusing or feels they are doing hand-twisting but some people feel that way. It is also not inevitable that everyone find typing this way helpful and comfortable, as I for the most part do, though hopefully I am not the only one who does feel this way. Perhaps having both positions available would be the best of all worlds but I'm not in a position to know how feasible that really is. But it would be a dull world if we all thought about everything the same way even though it might make it easier for developers :-) -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
It seems to me that a central factor in this discussion is whether and how much people are accustomed toinputing via a device such as a braille display. I could probably adjust to the positioning, but because I input a lot these days with the Focus, I am accustomed to the lay out. I also am waiting until grade 2 is supported. Because I have written braille since I was knee high, it takes a great deal of focus for me to write accurately in grade 1. In grade 2 I write rapidly, often more so than on a qwerty. -Len On 2/1/2013 2:11 PM, liz and sammie wrote: The only issue that I am having with Braille Touch, and frankly, I'm not sure if this is even a Braille Touch issue, is that I can't paste text from Braille Touch into a facebook status. Facebook has recently updated the app, so I'm thinking this is a facebook issue. Other than that, for me, Braille Touch is wonderful. Yes, it takes time, practice, and coordination to get the holding position of the phone down, but that is no big deal. Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie Westwood Church of God Internet Prayer Chain Coordinator and Avon Representative HTTP://WWW.YOURAVON.COM/ELIZABETHULRICH HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as we do it with the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12 Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote: I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as we do it with the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
Hi Bob, You can also turn screen brightness to 0%. First of all this will save you a bit of battery and while it is possible to read text with brightness at 0, it is very difficult and somebody would have to be quite close. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrailleTouch Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12 Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote: I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as we do it with the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to input. Kim On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote: I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be! Sent from my iPod On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app before purchase is excellent. I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device. I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices. Congrats to the developers on the app. Jonathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message
Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
i completely agree with what you are saying. I am loving braille touch and have quickly got used to holding the phone differently. I must commend the developers on this inovative idea. The problem with having the dots orientated like a perkins is that there will not be enough space for your fingers. I also would not like to give up the ability to type when no flat surface is available as i think this is an essential feature. Just my thoughts, Louise Sent from my iPhone On 1 Feb 2013, at 19:12, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I pictured it until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing the phone outward to be spatially confusing; I think that's a matter of how each person looks at it. And I also don't find that I have to do hand-twisting to use BrailleTouch this way. I'm also not making lots of mistakes now that i'm getting used to it. My purpose isn't to deny or belittle others' opinions at all; I'm just saying that these statements, as well as my own here, are matters of personal preference and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It is not inevitable that everyone finds the position spatially confusing or feels they are doing hand-twisting but some people feel that way. It is also not inevitable that everyone find typing this way helpful and comfortable, as I for the most part do, though hopefully I am not the only one who does feel this way. Perhaps having both positions available would be the best of all worlds but I'm not in a position to know how feasible that really is. But it would be a dull world if we all thought about everything the same way even though it might make it easier for developers :-) -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
