Re: I never meant to update.
By the way, my reply was not intended to come across as an attack. Sometimes it is impossible to include ones tone in a message. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:26 AM Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > I have never had an iPhone update itself unless I tapped on “I Agree” at > some point. I am pretty sure a lot of people tap it not even checking what > they agree to and then they wonder why iOS updated itself. > > > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of > *Dave Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2019 4:53 PM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: I never meant to update. > > > > The same thing happened with my wife’s phone just after iOS 13 was > released. All of her updates including iOS updates has been disabled yet > she would’ve woke one morning to find that her phone was updated to iOS 13. > In fact, this has been going on for her since iOS 9. She has not been able > to stop this from happening. And yes. Everything automatic is and has been > disabled on her phone. Additionally, a couple of the low vision features > that she uses have been broken in iOS 13. You cannot imagine how furious > she has been about it. > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:00 PM Dave wrote: > > Hi, as far as i know. You can't roll back, as apple will have stopped > signing the 12.4.1 update. > > Dave. > > > -Original Message- > From: terri...@gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 6:54 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hello Dave, > Can I uninstall the updates and roll back to 12.4.1? > Best, > Terri Hedgpeth > > -Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Dave > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:13 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > absolutely. > > If you accidentally tap on the incorrect button, it will update over night. > > I think it's always better, to delete the downloaded update. > > Dave. > > > -Original Message- > From: janet gross > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:08 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Josh, > When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, > I > tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the > very > next time I turned on my phone! My point, be very careful if you don't > want > to update right now, about the later option though. > Janet > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large > myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. > Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. > > On 10/22/19, janet gross wrote: > > HI Dave, > > Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. > > Thank you thank you! > > Janet > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Dave > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, > > general, and swiping to iPhone storage. > > > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you > > will have the option to delete it. > > > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > > > Dave. > > > > > > From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > > > Hi Duane and All, > > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to > > me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. > > When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was > > downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, > > and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! > > I was furious! > > I > > think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am > > concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the > > updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by > > accepting the license agreement or not. H
Re: I never meant to update.
She has never done this. She does not tap on or respond to anything without reading it thoroughly. And to assume that she may have done this every year for the last four or five years is out of the question. Others here have stated that they never agreed to it and that they have all updates including iOS updates disabled. Why is it that folks always jump to the conclusion that when something like this happens that the users have done something wrong? I am always required to agree and type my pin, but never doubt that the issue that others have reported is indeed real. But maybe that's just me. Perhaps we should give those with the issue some credit. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:26 AM Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > I have never had an iPhone update itself unless I tapped on “I Agree” at > some point. I am pretty sure a lot of people tap it not even checking what > they agree to and then they wonder why iOS updated itself. > > > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of > *Dave Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2019 4:53 PM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: I never meant to update. > > > > The same thing happened with my wife’s phone just after iOS 13 was > released. All of her updates including iOS updates has been disabled yet > she would’ve woke one morning to find that her phone was updated to iOS 13. > In fact, this has been going on for her since iOS 9. She has not been able > to stop this from happening. And yes. Everything automatic is and has been > disabled on her phone. Additionally, a couple of the low vision features > that she uses have been broken in iOS 13. You cannot imagine how furious > she has been about it. > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:00 PM Dave wrote: > > Hi, as far as i know. You can't roll back, as apple will have stopped > signing the 12.4.1 update. > > Dave. > > > -Original Message- > From: terri...@gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 6:54 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hello Dave, > Can I uninstall the updates and roll back to 12.4.1? > Best, > Terri Hedgpeth > > -Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Dave > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:13 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > absolutely. > > If you accidentally tap on the incorrect button, it will update over night. > > I think it's always better, to delete the downloaded update. > > Dave. > > > -Original Message- > From: janet gross > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:08 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Josh, > When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, > I > tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the > very > next time I turned on my phone! My point, be very careful if you don't > want > to update right now, about the later option though. > Janet > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large > myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. > Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. > > On 10/22/19, janet gross wrote: > > HI Dave, > > Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. > > Thank you thank you! > > Janet > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Dave > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, > > general, and swiping to iPhone storage. > > > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you > > will have the option to delete it. > > > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > > > Dave. > > > > > > From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > > > Hi Duane and All, > > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to > > me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. > > When I turned on my
Re: I never meant to update.
That has never happened to me either plus I am asked to enter my passcode since I have one and I have automatic update turned off. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2019, at 12:26 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > I have never had an iPhone update itself unless I tapped on “I Agree” at some > point. I am pretty sure a lot of people tap it not even checking what they > agree to and then they wonder why iOS updated itself. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave > Jones > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 4:53 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > The same thing happened with my wife’s phone just after iOS 13 was released. > All of her updates including iOS updates has been disabled yet she would’ve > woke one morning to find that her phone was updated to iOS 13. In fact, this > has been going on for her since iOS 9. She has not been able to stop this > from happening. And yes. Everything automatic is and has been disabled on her > phone. Additionally, a couple of the low vision features that she uses have > been broken in iOS 13. You cannot imagine how furious she has been about it. > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:00 PM Dave wrote: > Hi, as far as i know. You can't roll back, as apple will have stopped > signing the 12.4.1 update. > > Dave. > > > -Original Message- > From: terri...@gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 6:54 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hello Dave, > Can I uninstall the updates and roll back to 12.4.1? > Best, > Terri Hedgpeth > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:13 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > absolutely. > > If you accidentally tap on the incorrect button, it will update over night. > > I think it's always better, to delete the downloaded update. > > Dave. > > > -Original Message- > From: janet gross > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:08 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Josh, > When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, I > tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the very > next time I turned on my phone! My point, be very careful if you don't want > to update right now, about the later option though. > Janet > > -Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large > myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. > Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. > > On 10/22/19, janet gross wrote: > > HI Dave, > > Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. > > Thank you thank you! > > Janet > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Dave > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, > > general, and swiping to iPhone storage. > > > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you > > will have the option to delete it. > > > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > > > Dave. > > > > > > From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > > > Hi Duane and All, > > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to > > me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. > > When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was > > downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, > > and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! > > I was furious! > > I > > think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am > > concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the > > updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by > > accepting the license agreement or not. H
Re: I never meant to update.
> Well, I only know that my phone’s acting very strangely since it decided to > update. I tried to respond last night using the braille input keyboard > because my BrailleEddge was not at hand and the phone froze so that I could > not even turn it Off. I had to let it run down. Even now, it isn’t working > well with the device. The cursor’s doing strange things. I depend on this > phone for everything, and I don’t know when it might freeze again. Scary > > Peace & Blessings, > Duane L. Steele > Phone (276) 730-5194 > > On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:26 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > I have never had an iPhone update itself unless I tapped on “I Agree” at some > point. I am pretty sure a lot of people tap it not even checking what they > agree to and then they wonder why iOS updated itself. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave > Jones > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 4:53 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > The same thing happened with my wife’s phone just after iOS 13 was released. > All of her updates including iOS updates has been disabled yet she would’ve > woke one morning to find that her phone was updated to iOS 13. In fact, this > has been going on for her since iOS 9. She has not been able to stop this > from happening. And yes. Everything automatic is and has been disabled on her > phone. Additionally, a couple of the low vision features that she uses have > been broken in iOS 13. You cannot imagine how furious she has been about it. > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:00 PM Dave wrote: > Hi, as far as i know. You can't roll back, as apple will have stopped > signing the 12.4.1 update. > > Dave. > > > -Original Message----- > From: terri...@gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 6:54 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hello Dave, > Can I uninstall the updates and roll back to 12.4.1? > Best, > Terri Hedgpeth > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:13 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > absolutely. > > If you accidentally tap on the incorrect button, it will update over night. > > I think it's always better, to delete the downloaded update. > > Dave. > > > -Original Message- > From: janet gross > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:08 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Josh, > When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, I > tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the very > next time I turned on my phone! My point, be very careful if you don't want > to update right now, about the later option though. > Janet > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large > myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. > Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. > > On 10/22/19, janet gross wrote: > > HI Dave, > > Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. > > Thank you thank you! > > Janet > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Dave > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, > > general, and swiping to iPhone storage. > > > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you > > will have the option to delete it. > > > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > > > Dave. > > > > > > From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > > > Hi Duane and All, > > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to > > me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. > > When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was > > downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the
RE: I never meant to update.
I have never had an iPhone update itself unless I tapped on “I Agree” at some point. I am pretty sure a lot of people tap it not even checking what they agree to and then they wonder why iOS updated itself. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 4:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. The same thing happened with my wife’s phone just after iOS 13 was released. All of her updates including iOS updates has been disabled yet she would’ve woke one morning to find that her phone was updated to iOS 13. In fact, this has been going on for her since iOS 9. She has not been able to stop this from happening. And yes. Everything automatic is and has been disabled on her phone. Additionally, a couple of the low vision features that she uses have been broken in iOS 13. You cannot imagine how furious she has been about it. On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:00 PM Dave mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, as far as i know. You can't roll back, as apple will have stopped signing the 12.4.1 update. Dave. -Original Message- From: terri...@gmail.com<mailto:terri...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 6:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hello Dave, Can I uninstall the updates and roll back to 12.4.1? Best, Terri Hedgpeth -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: I never meant to update. absolutely. If you accidentally tap on the incorrect button, it will update over night. I think it's always better, to delete the downloaded update. Dave. -Original Message- From: janet gross Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hi Josh, When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, I tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the very next time I turned on my phone! My point, be very careful if you don't want to update right now, about the later option though. Janet -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: I never meant to update. I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. On 10/22/19, janet gross mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote: > HI Dave, > Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. > Thank you thank you! > Janet > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, > general, and swiping to iPhone storage. > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you > will have the option to delete it. > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > Dave. > > > From: janet > gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > To: > viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com><mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Duane and All, > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to > me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. > When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was > downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, > and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! > I was furious! > I > think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am > concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the > updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by > accepting the license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in > on my question. > After the download, a few days later is when I got the first > notification to install t
Re: I never meant to update.
The same thing happened with my wife’s phone just after iOS 13 was released. All of her updates including iOS updates has been disabled yet she would’ve woke one morning to find that her phone was updated to iOS 13. In fact, this has been going on for her since iOS 9. She has not been able to stop this from happening. And yes. Everything automatic is and has been disabled on her phone. Additionally, a couple of the low vision features that she uses have been broken in iOS 13. You cannot imagine how furious she has been about it. On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:00 PM Dave wrote: > Hi, as far as i know. You can't roll back, as apple will have stopped > signing the 12.4.1 update. > > Dave. > > > -Original Message- > From: terri...@gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 6:54 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hello Dave, > Can I uninstall the updates and roll back to 12.4.1? > Best, > Terri Hedgpeth > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Dave > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:13 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > absolutely. > > If you accidentally tap on the incorrect button, it will update over night. > > I think it's always better, to delete the downloaded update. > > Dave. > > > -Original Message- > From: janet gross > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:08 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Josh, > When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, > I > tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the > very > next time I turned on my phone! My point, be very careful if you don't > want > to update right now, about the later option though. > Janet > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large > myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. > Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. > > On 10/22/19, janet gross wrote: > > HI Dave, > > Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. > > Thank you thank you! > > Janet > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Dave > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, > > general, and swiping to iPhone storage. > > > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you > > will have the option to delete it. > > > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > > > Dave. > > > > > > From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > > > Hi Duane and All, > > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to > > me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. > > When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was > > downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, > > and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! > > I was furious! > > I > > think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am > > concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the > > updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by > > accepting the license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in > > on my question. > > After the download, a few days later is when I got the first > > notification to install the update, so I did not accept the license > > agreement, so it has not installed on my phone. Although, it is still > > there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no > > intentions of updating just yet. Has anyone noticed the size of this > > update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next time we think about > > buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get more space on > > our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that should be > > their right, so please people
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Hi, as far as i know. You can't roll back, as apple will have stopped signing the 12.4.1 update. Dave. -Original Message- From: terri...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 6:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hello Dave, Can I uninstall the updates and roll back to 12.4.1? Best, Terri Hedgpeth -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. absolutely. If you accidentally tap on the incorrect button, it will update over night. I think it's always better, to delete the downloaded update. Dave. -Original Message- From: janet gross Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hi Josh, When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, I tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the very next time I turned on my phone! My point, be very careful if you don't want to update right now, about the later option though. Janet -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. On 10/22/19, janet gross wrote: HI Dave, Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. Thank you thank you! Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and swiping to iPhone storage. There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will have the option to delete it. It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. Dave. From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hi Duane and All, Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main problem is not corrected! Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after the update, and that seems to be a little odd! Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Duane Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I never meant to update. Hello iPhone Friends, Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off. You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent. I can
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Hello Dave, Can I uninstall the updates and roll back to 12.4.1? Best, Terri Hedgpeth -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. absolutely. If you accidentally tap on the incorrect button, it will update over night. I think it's always better, to delete the downloaded update. Dave. -Original Message- From: janet gross Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hi Josh, When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, I tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the very next time I turned on my phone! My point, be very careful if you don't want to update right now, about the later option though. Janet -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. On 10/22/19, janet gross wrote: > HI Dave, > Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. > Thank you thank you! > Janet > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, > general, and swiping to iPhone storage. > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you > will have the option to delete it. > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > Dave. > > > From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Duane and All, > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to > me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. > When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was > downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, > and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I > was furious! > I > think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am > concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the > updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by > accepting the license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on > my question. > After the download, a few days later is when I got the first > notification to install the update, so I did not accept the license > agreement, so it has not installed on my phone. Although, it is still > there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no > intentions of updating just yet. Has anyone noticed the size of this > update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next time we think about > buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get more space on > our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that should be > their right, so please people try and understand some people just > don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when > releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure > Apple knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their > findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t > Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my > phone after an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a > workaround if they have one, so the main problem is not corrected! > Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone > issues after the update, and that seems to be a little odd! > Janet > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Duane Steele > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: I never meant to update. > > > Hello iPhone Friends, > > > > Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done > something wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent > flack I'd read and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile > before updating. I checked my settings to ensure that the automatic > update feature had been turned off. You can now guess where this is > going. I
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you can’t go back, after updating, as apple will have stopped signing the older versions. Dave. From: Duane Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 8:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. Hello Richard, I fixed the Braille issue easily enough. I just can't figure out how my phone updated when I had the setting activated that would not allow automatic updates. Kind of scary. BI'm getting used to it. I figure there's no sense in going back. I'll get used to it, and hope the bugs get ironed out in due course. Peace & Blessings, Duane L. Steele Phone (276) 730-5194 On Oct 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Richard Turner wrote: Dwayne, Did you find the place in the VoiceOver braille settings where you can adjust which braille table is being used? And, no one can easily get to the status bar with any keyboard. You just have to touch the screen until they fix it. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Duane Steele wrote: Thanks Dave. But now that it's done I'm adjusting to it. After all, there'll come a time when we all have to use it. There are bugs and issues, and with the help of folks on this list, I'll work them out. One thing I noticed immediately was that the braille table had automatically gone to UEB braille, and I'm still happier with the standard Us Braille system when writing with my BrailleEdge. It's also harder to just get to the status bar. In fact, with the Braille device, it can't be done, and that's frustrating. I won't turn back the clock. I'll just forge ahead with all the others on this list who have updated their Apple devices. Peace & Blessings, Duane L. Steele Phone (276) 730-5194 On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Dave wrote: Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and swiping to iPhone storage. There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will have the option to delete it. It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. Dave. From: janet gross Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hi Duane and All, Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main problem is not corrected! Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after the update, and that seems to be a little odd! Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Duane Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I never meant to update. Hello iPhone Friends, Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off. You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had
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absolutely. If you accidentally tap on the incorrect button, it will update over night. I think it's always better, to delete the downloaded update. Dave. -Original Message- From: janet gross Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hi Josh, When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, I tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the very next time I turned on my phone! My point, be very careful if you don't want to update right now, about the later option though. Janet -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. On 10/22/19, janet gross wrote: HI Dave, Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. Thank you thank you! Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and swiping to iPhone storage. There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will have the option to delete it. It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. Dave. From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hi Duane and All, Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main problem is not corrected! Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after the update, and that seems to be a little odd! Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Duane Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I never meant to update. Hello iPhone Friends, Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off. You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent. I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know anything about. Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have happened. Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the update. But I have to wonder why I had no choice. Peace & Blessings, Duane L. Steele Phone (276) 730-5194 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone li
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> Hello Richard, > I fixed the Braille issue easily enough. I just can't figure out how my > phone updated when I had the setting activated that would not allow automatic > updates. Kind of scary. BI'm getting used to it. I figure there's no sense > in going back. I'll get used to it, and hope the bugs get ironed out in due > course. > > Peace & Blessings, > Duane L. Steele > Phone (276) 730-5194 > > On Oct 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Dwayne, > Did you find the place in the VoiceOver braille settings where you can adjust > which braille table is being used? > And, no one can easily get to the status bar with any keyboard. > You just have to touch the screen until they fix it. > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane > Wagner > > > On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Duane Steele wrote: > > > Thanks Dave. But now that it's done I'm adjusting to it. After all, > there'll come a time when we all have to use it. There are bugs and issues, > and with the help of folks on this list, I'll work them out. One thing I > noticed immediately was that the braille table had automatically gone to UEB > braille, and I'm still happier with the standard Us Braille system when > writing with my BrailleEdge. It's also harder to just get to the status bar. > In fact, with the Braille device, it can't be done, and that's frustrating. > I won't turn back the clock. I'll just forge ahead with all the others on > this list who have updated their Apple devices. > > > Peace & Blessings, > Duane L. Steele > Phone (276) 730-5194 > > On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Dave wrote: > > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and > swiping to iPhone storage. > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will > have the option to delete it. > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > Dave. > > > From: janet gross > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Duane and All, > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me > just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I > turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, > and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and > turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I > think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am > concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates > automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the > license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. > After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to > install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not > installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept > the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has > anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next > time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get > more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that > should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just > don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when > releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple > knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple > before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their > baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I > call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main > problem is not corrected! > Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after > the update, and that seems to be a little odd! > Janet > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Duane Steele > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: I never meant to update. > > Hello iPhone Friends, > > Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something > wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read and > heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wa
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Hi Josh, When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, I tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the very next time I turned on my phone! My point, be very careful if you don't want to update right now, about the later option though. Janet -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. On 10/22/19, janet gross wrote: > HI Dave, > Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. > Thank you thank you! > Janet > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Dave > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, > and swiping to iPhone storage. > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will > have the option to delete it. > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > Dave. > > > From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Duane and All, > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me > just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I > turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, > and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and > turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I > think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am > concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates > automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the > license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. > After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to > install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not > installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept > the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has > anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next > time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get > more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that > should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just > don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when > releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple > knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple > before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their > baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I > call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main > problem is not corrected! > Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues > after the update, and that seems to be a little odd! > Janet > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Duane Steele > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: I never meant to update. > > > Hello iPhone Friends, > > > > Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something > wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read > and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I > checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been > turned off. You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning > and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight > without my consent. I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances > in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm > stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know > anything about. Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have > happened. Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the > update. But I have to wonder why I had no choice. > > > > Peace & Blessings, > Duane L. Steele > Phone (276) 7
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Dwayne, Did you find the place in the VoiceOver braille settings where you can adjust which braille table is being used? And, no one can easily get to the status bar with any keyboard. You just have to touch the screen until they fix it. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Duane Steele wrote: Thanks Dave. But now that it's done I'm adjusting to it. After all, there'll come a time when we all have to use it. There are bugs and issues, and with the help of folks on this list, I'll work them out. One thing I noticed immediately was that the braille table had automatically gone to UEB braille, and I'm still happier with the standard Us Braille system when writing with my BrailleEdge. It's also harder to just get to the status bar. In fact, with the Braille device, it can't be done, and that's frustrating. I won't turn back the clock. I'll just forge ahead with all the others on this list who have updated their Apple devices. Peace & Blessings, Duane L. Steele Phone (276) 730-5194 On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Dave wrote: Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and swiping to iPhone storage. There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will have the option to delete it. It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. Dave. From: janet gross Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hi Duane and All, Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main problem is not corrected! Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after the update, and that seems to be a little odd! Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Duane Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I never meant to update. Hello iPhone Friends, Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off. You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent. I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know anything about. Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have happened. Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the update. But I have to wonder why I had no choice. Peace & Blessings, Duane L. Steele Phone (276) 730-5194 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly r
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I'll delete my update again. I think 2 gigs for an update is rather large myself. I just always go to not now, and remind me later. Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself. On 10/22/19, janet gross wrote: > HI Dave, > Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. > Thank you thank you! > Janet > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Dave > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I never meant to update. > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, > and swiping to iPhone storage. > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will > have the option to delete it. > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > Dave. > > > From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Duane and All, > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me > just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I > turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, > and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and > turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I > think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am > concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates > automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the > license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. > After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to > install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not > installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept > the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has > anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next > time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get > more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that > should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just > don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when > releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple > knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple > before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their > baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I > call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main > problem is not corrected! > Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues > after the update, and that seems to be a little odd! > Janet > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Duane Steele > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: I never meant to update. > > > Hello iPhone Friends, > > > > Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something > wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read > and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I > checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been > turned off. You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning > and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight > without my consent. I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances > in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm > stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know > anything about. Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have > happened. Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the > update. But I have to wonder why I had no choice. > > > > Peace & Blessings, > Duane L. Steele > Phone (276) 730-5194 > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > &
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> Thanks Dave. But now that it's done I'm adjusting to it. After all, > there'll come a time when we all have to use it. There are bugs and issues, > and with the help of folks on this list, I'll work them out. One thing I > noticed immediately was that the braille table had automatically gone to UEB > braille, and I'm still happier with the standard Us Braille system when > writing with my BrailleEdge. It's also harder to just get to the status bar. > In fact, with the Braille device, it can't be done, and that's frustrating. > I won't turn back the clock. I'll just forge ahead with all the others on > this list who have updated their Apple devices. > > Peace & Blessings, > Duane L. Steele > Phone (276) 730-5194 > > On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Dave wrote: > > > Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and > swiping to iPhone storage. > > There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will > have the option to delete it. > > It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. > > Dave. > > > From: janet gross > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I never meant to update. > > Hi Duane and All, > Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me > just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I > turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, > and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and > turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I > think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am > concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates > automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the > license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. > After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to > install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not > installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept > the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has > anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next > time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get > more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that > should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just > don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when > releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple > knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple > before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their > baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I > call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main > problem is not corrected! > Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after > the update, and that seems to be a little odd! > Janet > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Duane Steele > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: I never meant to update. > > Hello iPhone Friends, > > Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something > wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read and > heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I checked > my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off. > You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning and looked at > the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my > consent. I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial > intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having > to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know anything about. Is > there a reasonable explanation for why this would have happened. Well, now > I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the update. But I have to > wonder why I had no choice. > > > Peace & Blessings, > Duane L. Steele > Phone (276) 730-5194 > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > mode
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HI Dave, Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps. Thank you thank you! Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I never meant to update. Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and swiping to iPhone storage. There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will have the option to delete it. It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. Dave. From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hi Duane and All, Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main problem is not corrected! Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after the update, and that seems to be a little odd! Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Duane Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I never meant to update. Hello iPhone Friends, Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off. You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent. I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know anything about. Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have happened. Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the update. But I have to wonder why I had no choice. Peace & Blessings, Duane L. Steele Phone (276) 730-5194 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/029877E5-5DC1-4F23-87AA-BFEF7AAA73DB%40gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/029877E5-5DC1-4F23-87AA-BFEF7AAA73DB%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The foll
Re: I never meant to update.
Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and swiping to iPhone storage. There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will have the option to delete it. It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it. Dave. From: janet gross Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I never meant to update. Hi Duane and All, Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main problem is not corrected! Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after the update, and that seems to be a little odd! Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Duane Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I never meant to update. Hello iPhone Friends, Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off. You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent. I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know anything about. Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have happened. Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the update. But I have to wonder why I had no choice. Peace & Blessings, Duane L. Steele Phone (276) 730-5194 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/029877E5-5DC1-4F23-87AA-BFEF7AAA73DB%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archi
RE: I never meant to update.
Hi Duane and All, Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off. When I turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no option to cancel. I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, but still the update was downloading! I was furious! I think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not be allowed! Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not. Hopefully someone will chime in on my question. After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone. Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet. Has anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs! So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones! If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble! Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple knows that! Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main problem is not corrected! Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after the update, and that seems to be a little odd! Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Duane Steele Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I never meant to update. Hello iPhone Friends, Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off. You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent. I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know anything about. Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have happened. Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the update. But I have to wonder why I had no choice. Peace & Blessings, Duane L. Steele Phone (276) 730-5194 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/029877E5-5DC1-4F23-87AA-BFEF7AAA73DB%40gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/029877E5-5DC1-4F23-87AA-BFEF7AAA73DB%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To v
I never meant to update.
Hello iPhone Friends, Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8. With all the recent flack I'd read and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating. I checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off. You can now guess where this is going. I awoke this morning and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent. I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know anything about. Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have happened. Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the update. But I have to wonder why I had no choice. Peace & Blessings, Duane L. Steele Phone (276) 730-5194 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/029877E5-5DC1-4F23-87AA-BFEF7AAA73DB%40gmail.com.
