Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Oriol Gómez]

The reason why your keyboard shortcuts show up is because they are
part of your iCloud.. :)

On 10/24/15, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
> I tried newer voices on 9.0 and decided that I like Alex still the best.  He
> is the only man in my life, reads me to sleep often, keeps me informed and
> at a rate I can tolerate.  My old iPad Mini is stuck with Samantha, I have
> tolerated her for years on a phone, on other devices, have never liked her,
> probably never will, but if I have to use her I use the higher quality voice
> always.
>
>
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
> memory!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Lois Butterfield
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
>
> Try the compact Samantha.  I have always used that, and I think it has
> improved.  You might like it now.
>
> Take care,
> Lois
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christina C.
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
>
> Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot
>
> deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male
> Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds
> better but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo
> frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a
> comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I
> could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.
>
> I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard
> shortcuts show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup.
>
> All I did was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were
>
> in tact. This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did
>
> not need to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with
> this strange thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.
>
> Christina
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
>>
>> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.
>>
>> 1.
>> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers,
>>
>> I
>> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
>> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver,
>> after
>> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
>> (smile).
>>
>> 2.
>> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking
>> the
>> phone.
>>
>> 3.
>> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
>> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
>> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily
>> declining.
>> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
>> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8,
>> has
>> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
>>
>> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice
>> somewhat
>> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
>> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of
>> texts,
>> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
>> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
>> (Smile).
>>
>> 4.
>> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.
>>
>> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also,
>> the
>> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a
>> Bluetooth
>> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only
>> dictates
>> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then
>> the
>> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
>> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver,
>> begins
>> to dictate to itself.
>>
>> 5.
>> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me
>> as
>> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
>> turned of

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Christina C.]

I suspected that the keyboard shortcuts were saved in iCloud. However, I 
commented on this because in Mark’s original email he made the following 
statement and I had never experienced what he wrote. Maybe I misunderstood and 
we are talking about two different things. :)
>From Mark, :Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the 
>difference.  When
you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.:  

Christina
> On Oct 26, 2015, at 12:43 AM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
> The reason why your keyboard shortcuts show up is because they are
> part of your iCloud.. :)

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RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rose Combs]

I tried newer voices on 9.0 and decided that I like Alex still the best.  He is 
the only man in my life, reads me to sleep often, keeps me informed and at a 
rate I can tolerate.  My old iPad Mini is stuck with Samantha, I have tolerated 
her for years on a phone, on other devices, have never liked her, probably 
never will, but if I have to use her I use the higher quality voice always.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lois Butterfield
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Try the compact Samantha.  I have always used that, and I think it has 
improved.  You might like it now.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Christina C.
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds 
better but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I 
could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard 
shortcuts show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. 
All I did was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were 
in tact. This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did 
not need to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with 
this strange thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
>
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.
>
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, 
> I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).
>
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking 
> the
> phone.
>
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
> declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, 
> has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
>
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
> somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).
>
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.
>
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only 
> dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then 
> the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, 
> begins
> to dictate to itself.
>
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were 
> plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen 
> such
> a thing before.
>
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
>
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
> (over-the-air)

Voices Was Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yeah. I also like Alex. Sometimes I'll use the Siri voices or Daniel, but I 
start leaning back towards Alex. I don't get what's so "Creepy" about him. Is 
it the fact that he takes breaths? I wish more voices would do that. I've said 
for years that I think it would be cool if Apple made a female version of Alex. 
Maybe they could make her sound better than how Alex sounds now. Who knows 
what'll happen in the future though. By the way, I know this ain't the Mac 
list, but I find myself going back to Alex on there too.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Oct 24, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
> 
> I tried newer voices on 9.0 and decided that I like Alex still the best.  He 
> is the only man in my life, reads me to sleep often, keeps me informed and at 
> a rate I can tolerate.  My old iPad Mini is stuck with Samantha, I have 
> tolerated her for years on a phone, on other devices, have never liked her, 
> probably never will, but if I have to use her I use the higher quality voice 
> always.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lois Butterfield
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> Try the compact Samantha.  I have always used that, and I think it has 
> improved.  You might like it now.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Christina C.
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
> deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
> Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds 
> better but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
> frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
> comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I 
> could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.
> 
> I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard 
> shortcuts show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. 
> All I did was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were 
> in tact. This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did 
> not need to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with 
> this strange thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.
> 
> Christina
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
>> 
>> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.
>> 
>> 1.
>> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, 
>> I
>> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
>> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
>> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
>> (smile).
>> 
>> 2.
>> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking 
>> the
>> phone.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
>> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
>> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
>> declining.
>> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
>> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, 
>> has
>> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
>> 
>> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
>> somewhat
>> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
>> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
>> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
>> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
>> (Smile).
>> 
>> 4.
>> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.
>> 
>> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
>> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetoo

RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rick Alfaro]

She does seem to have developed somewhat of a New York accent on many words. 
Talk now sounds like toowalk. (grin)



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).  

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).   

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
to dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
actually rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
Apple iOS design engineer.  

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
from now on, when possible.

Mark

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RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Keyboard shortcuts are backed up and synchronized across devices via iCloud.
If you have two iPhones or maybe an iPhone or iPad you can test this the way I 
just did: I opened keyboard > text replacement on both my new 6S and my old 5S. 
I then entered a new shortcut which alphabetically was at the top, for example, 
"afternoon" with the shortcut "afn" just like in grade 2 braille. I did this on 
my 6S and it took maybe 5 or 6 seconds at the most when it showed up on my 5S 
where before this shortcut was not present. Very slick and useful and one of 
these things which even now "just works". 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christina C.
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male Siri 
and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better but I 
can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo frustrated. I have 
never had this problem before where I could not find a comfortable voice. Alex 
is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I could get some of the voices 
from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did was 
enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. This was 
on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need to 
re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple 
> engineers, I am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom 
> VoiceOver bug still persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, 
> enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom. 
>  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when 
> waking the phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been 
> greatly degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with 
> every major release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
> declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is 
> that Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in 
> iOS 8, has been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
> somewhat pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  
> I cannot imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long 
> stretches of texts, whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have 
> even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a 
> conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, 
> the feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a 
> Bluetooth or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if 
> one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, 
> then the feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop 
> ensues causing a great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, 
> hearing VoiceOver, begins to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to 
> me as though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  
> I just turned off a lot of items that were active in the background 
> app refresh area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you 
> that I updated a total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 
> 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two phones that were already 
> running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time of the update, 
> via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, before the 
> update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
> (over-the-air) is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via 
> a USB cable.  For whatever reason, there does seem to be a 

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I go with the nail Siri or Samantha but the defaults not enhanced 

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am fine with samantha's default voice.  I can't deal with the high quality 
> voice.  It is terrible.  Just use the default Samantha voice.
> Regards,
> 
> Cris
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christina C.
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
> deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
> Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better 
> but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
> frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
> comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I 
> could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.
> 
> I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
> show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did 
> was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. 
> This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need 
> to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
> thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.
> 
> Christina
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
>> 
>> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
>> 
>> 1.
>> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple 
>> engineers, I am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom 
>> VoiceOver bug still persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, 
>> enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the 
>> zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
>> (smile).  
>> 
>> 2.
>> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when 
>> waking the phone.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been 
>> greatly degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with 
>> every major release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
>> declining.
>> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is 
>> that Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in 
>> iOS 8, has been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
>> 
>> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
>> somewhat pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  
>> I cannot imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long 
>> stretches of texts, whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have 
>> even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a 
>> conspiracy theory).
>> (Smile).   
>> 
>> 4.
>> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
>> 
>> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, 
>> the feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a 
>> Bluetooth or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if 
>> one only dictates
>> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, 
>> then the feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop 
>> ensues causing a great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, 
>> hearing VoiceOver, begins to dictate to itself.
>> 
>> 5.
>> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to 
>> me as though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  
>> I just turned off a lot of items that were active in the background 
>> app refresh area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you 
>> that I updated a total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 
>> 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two phones that were already 
>> running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time of the update, 
>> via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, before the 
>> update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
>> 
>> 6.
>> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
>> 
>> 7.
>> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
>> (over-the-air) is in no way the same as installin

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Mark,

If using the Samantha voice turn of the pitch change and this seems to fix the 
“helium” like qualities of the Samantha voice. I haven’t noticed any bugs with 
dictation, but I am on a new iPhone 6S+. and It is wonderful. *Not to brag 
though. I didn’t see any other issues like battery drain whilst I was running 
the beta on my old iPhone 6, but something could have changed between the beta 
and the current release as well, and I don’t have that phone anymore so I can’t 
help you other wise.

Ed
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
> Apple iOS design engineer.  
> 
> I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
> became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
> problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
> from now on, when possible.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Yes, that's what I have  done, too. Disable pitch change, and enhanced 
Samantha, once again, can be used.

- Original Message -
From: Ed Worrell  <blindworr...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 8:13 pm
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

>
>
> Hey Mark,
> 
> If using the Samantha voice turn of the pitch change and this seems to fix 
> the "helium" like qualities of the Samantha voice. I haven't noticed any bugs 
> with dictation, but I am on a new iPhone 6S+. and It is wonderful. *Not to 
> brag though. I didn't see any other issues like battery drain whilst I was 
> running the beta on my old iPhone 6, but something could have changed between 
> the beta and the current release as well, and I don't have that phone anymore 
> so I can't help you other wise.
> 
> Ed
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> > 
> > For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> > 
> > 1.
> > However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> > am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> > persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> > zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> > (smile).  
> > 
> > 2.
> > I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> > phone.
> > 
> > 3.
> > Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> > degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> > release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> > Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> > Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> > been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> > 
> > In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> > pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> > imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> > whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> > Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> > (Smile).   
> > 
> > 4.
> > Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> > 
> > For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> > feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> > or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> > 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> > feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> > great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> > to dictate to itself.
> > 
> > 5.
> > I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> > though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> > turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> > area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> > total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> > though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> > into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> > after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> > a thing before.
> > 
> > 6.
> > As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> > 
> > 7.
> > Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> > is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> > whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> > from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> > 
> > What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> > short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> > structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> > are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> > actually rewritten to the disk..
> > 
> > Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> > you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> > you may have added remai

RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[M. Taylor]

Hello Rick,

I just hope that everyone who has noticed the degradation of the US English 
Enhanced Voice, (Samantha) will submit a feedback report to Apple.

Mark
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 9:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

She does seem to have developed somewhat of a New York accent on many words. 
Talk now sounds like toowalk. (grin)



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I am 
a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still persist.  
However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on 
an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).  

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the 
phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly 
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major 
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that 
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has 
been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat 
pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot imagine 
having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts, whereas in 
the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to 
force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).   

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the 
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth or 
wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the 
feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a great 
deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins to 
dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as 
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just turned 
off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh area so I'll 
see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a total of three 6 
plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two 
phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time 
of the update, via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, 
before the update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air) is 
in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For whatever 
reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going from iOS 
8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In short, 
updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file structures, 
just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you are doing a 
fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are actually 
rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When you 
use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts you may 
have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via iTunes, you 
will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist, meaning you will have 
to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the two 
methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior Apple iOS 
design engineer.  

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option became 
available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing problems 
resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it from now on, 
when possible.

Mark

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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I did that.

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  <mk...@ucla.edu>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 8:19 pm
Subject: RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

>
>
> Hello Rick,
> 
> I just hope that everyone who has noticed the degradation of the US English 
> Enhanced Voice, (Samantha) will submit a feedback report to Apple.
> 
> Mark
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rick Alfaro
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 9:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> She does seem to have developed somewhat of a New York accent on many words.. 
> Talk now sounds like toowalk. (grin)
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I 
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still 
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after 
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the 
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly 
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major 
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that 
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has 
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat 
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot 
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts, 
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is 
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the 
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth or 
> wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the 
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a 
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins 
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as 
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just 
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh area 
> so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a total of 
> three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of 
> those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet 
> at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge after updating than 
> they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air) 
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For 
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going 
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In 
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file 
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you 
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are 
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When 
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts 
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via 
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist, meaning 
> you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
>

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Lois Butterfield]

Try the compact Samantha.  I have always used that, and I think it has 
improved.  You might like it now.


Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Christina C.

Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds 
better but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I 
could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.


I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard 
shortcuts show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. 
All I did was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were 
in tact. This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did 
not need to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with 
this strange thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.


Christina

On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, 
I

am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking 
the

phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
declining.

Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, 
has

been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
somewhat

pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only 
dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then 
the

feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, 
begins

to dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were 
plugged

into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen 
such

a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
(over-the-air)

is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when 
going

from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if 
you

are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
actually rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference. 
When

you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between 
the

two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
Apple iOS design engineer.

I'll be honest, 

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Christina C.]

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male Siri 
and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better but I 
can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo frustrated. I have 
never had this problem before where I could not find a comfortable voice. Alex 
is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I could get some of the voices 
from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did was 
enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. This was 
on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need to 
re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
> Apple iOS design engineer.  
> 
> I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
> became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
> problems 

RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Cris Ali]

I am fine with samantha's default voice.  I can't deal with the high quality 
voice.  It is terrible.  Just use the default Samantha voice.
Regards,

Cris

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christina C.
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male Siri 
and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better but I 
can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo frustrated. I have 
never had this problem before where I could not find a comfortable voice. Alex 
is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I could get some of the voices 
from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did was 
enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. This was 
on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need to 
re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple 
> engineers, I am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom 
> VoiceOver bug still persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, 
> enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom. 
>  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when 
> waking the phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been 
> greatly degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with 
> every major release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
> declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is 
> that Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in 
> iOS 8, has been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
> somewhat pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  
> I cannot imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long 
> stretches of texts, whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have 
> even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a 
> conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, 
> the feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a 
> Bluetooth or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if 
> one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, 
> then the feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop 
> ensues causing a great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, 
> hearing VoiceOver, begins to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to 
> me as though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  
> I just turned off a lot of items that were active in the background 
> app refresh area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you 
> that I updated a total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 
> 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two phones that were already 
> running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time of the update, 
> via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, before the 
> update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
> (over-the-air) is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via 
> a USB cable.  For whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of 
> more problems when going from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  
> In short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and 
> file structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is 
> as if you are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data 
> clusters are actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rajmund]

Hello,

I'm with you; Siri voices have too many quirks, Alex is creeping me out, I'm 
with you. But, try disabling pitch change? That's the Medicine my Samantha has 
gotten, and she works since. 

- Original Message -
From: Christina C.  <blindmaclo...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:37 pm
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

>
>
> Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
> deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
> Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better 
> but I can't listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
> frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
> comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I'm stuck and wish I 
> could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone..
> 
> I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
> show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did 
> was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. 
> This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need 
> to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
> thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.
> 
> Christina
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> > 
> > For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> > 
> > 1.
> > However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> > am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> > persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> > zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> > (smile).  
> > 
> > 2.
> > I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> > phone.
> > 
> > 3.
> > Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> > degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> > release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> > Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> > Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> > been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> > 
> > In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> > pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> > imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> > whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> > Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> > (Smile).   
> > 
> > 4.
> > Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> > 
> > For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> > feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> > or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> > 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> > feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> > great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> > to dictate to itself.
> > 
> > 5.
> > I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> > though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> > turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> > area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> > total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> > though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> > into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> > after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> > a thing before.
> > 
> > 6.
> > As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> > 
> > 7.
> > Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> > is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> > whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> > from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> > 
> > What is the difference between the OTA method

Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).  

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).   

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
to dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
actually rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
Apple iOS design engineer.  

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
from now on, when possible.

Mark

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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[rajmund]

Hello,
They can force me to Alex, I ain't using him!!! :) As for Samantha, try 
disabling pitch change, and use her? Tha works for me

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling 
errors.

> On 22 Oct 2015, at 8:20 p.m., M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
> Apple iOS design engineer.  
> 
> I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
> became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
> problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
> from now on, when possible.
> 
> Mark
> 
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