RE: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-06 Thread Sandy Finley
Caleb, all of the discussion about Braille Touch has the user holding the
phone in this special way.  I see how that will work, but Is it  also
possible to take the phone out of its case and lie it flat on a hard
surface? Why would that also not work? 

Sandy

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Subject: Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

We recommend using a case with BrailleTouch for several reasons.
1. A case will help you grip the phone from the sides with both hands.
2. On the iPhone the speaker is under the Home button. A case will help keep
your hand from blocking the speaker, if you use the speaker and not
headphones. (The speaker location on the iPod touch is not an issue.) 3. A
case will help orient your fingers on the screen when you are typing.

It may work for you without a case. Please try the app with the free version
first.

Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 1/5/2013 10:18 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
 They recommend a case but I don't think I need one; I'm not planning to do
typing anywhere where I think i'd drop the phone anyway. But I don't think
you need to be stationary either if you mean sitting down somewhere; i think
i can do it standing or walking somewher where I am familiar with my
surroundings and not needing to use my cane. But then I don't type anyway
without these factors. I'm not typing on the virtual keyboard or pulling out
my bluetooth keyboard in situations where I'd have to balance them while
trying to get somewhere though I'm sure some have the skill to do this.
Dictation also has its limitations in a noisy environment so whatever you
do, there are limitations. That's why it's good there are several options.

   

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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-06 Thread BrailleTouch

Hi Sandy.

Thanks for your question. We designed BrailleTouch so that you hold the 
phone in the special way, with two hands in landscape and the screen 
facing away from you. The advantage of doing this is that it allows your 
fingers to naturally fall on the touchscreen braille keyboard without 
any tactile landmarks. We have tested this with many blind users with 
great success!


Some people have told us they have also had success laying the phone on 
a flat surface and typing with BrailleTouch. We have not officially 
tested this, so we don't officially support this way of using the app or 
include this in our User Guide. However, I encourage people to try this 
out if they would prefer to type this way. This is one of the reasons we 
offer a free trial of BrailleTouch, so you can see how it works for you 
before purchasing the upgrade. We welcome any feedback on using 
BrailleTouch in this non-standard way. For this way of typing to work, 
you will need to make sure that your left hand stays on the left side of 
the screen for dots 1-2-3, and your right hand stays on the right side 
of the screen, for dots 4-5-6. Otherwise BrailleTouch will become 
confused as to what braille characters you are typing.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 1/6/2013 8:40 AM, Sandy Finley wrote:

Caleb, all of the discussion about Braille Touch has the user holding the
phone in this special way.  I see how that will work, but Is it  also
possible to take the phone out of its case and lie it flat on a hard
surface? Why would that also not work?

Sandy

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 10:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

We recommend using a case with BrailleTouch for several reasons.
1. A case will help you grip the phone from the sides with both hands.
2. On the iPhone the speaker is under the Home button. A case will help keep
your hand from blocking the speaker, if you use the speaker and not
headphones. (The speaker location on the iPod touch is not an issue.) 3. A
case will help orient your fingers on the screen when you are typing.

It may work for you without a case. Please try the app with the free version
first.

Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 1/5/2013 10:18 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

They recommend a case but I don't think I need one; I'm not planning to do

typing anywhere where I think i'd drop the phone anyway. But I don't think
you need to be stationary either if you mean sitting down somewhere; i think
i can do it standing or walking somewher where I am familiar with my
surroundings and not needing to use my cane. But then I don't type anyway
without these factors. I'm not typing on the virtual keyboard or pulling out
my bluetooth keyboard in situations where I'd have to balance them while
trying to get somewhere though I'm sure some have the skill to do this.
Dictation also has its limitations in a noisy environment so whatever you
do, there are limitations. That's why it's good there are several options.


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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-06 Thread Regina Alvarado
On the podcast, Mr Hanson says he holds the phone in the palms with the screen 
facing away and the thumbs supporting the back of the phone. Would that mean 
that dots six and three are in the middle of the screen and dots one and six 
are closest to the ends of the phone? Sorry, meant one and four. 

Also, completely off this topic, but have not seen an answer. Does anyone know 
how to enter apps gone free so I can see what apps are available? Thanks for 
help on either of these things. 

Reggie and Brooks

On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone heard the podcast over at Applevis? One of the editors, Mr Hanson, 
 demonstrates the app and does it well. Yes he goes on about the orientation 
 but he did admit it will be very confusing at first. Otherwise he gives us a 
 real sneak peak at what the app can do. If it does as advertised then I will 
 certainly put my iTunes credit to some use.
 
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 
 On 31/12/2012 14:31, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
  I am guilty in commenting on the price of this app too. If this app will do 
 what it is expected, then it it worth the money. I would like to know how 
 many of the list has Readp2Go or Digit-Eyes? Apps are the same price and we 
 use them on a regular basis. If this app does what it is intended, I will 
 purchase it. There are many people on this list that would love to have a 
 Braille input device, but don't have the means to get one and this would be 
 a wonderful solution.
 
 Eileen
 
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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-06 Thread BrailleTouch

Hi Reggie,

Actually, in BrailleTouch, dots 1, 2, and 3 run down the left side of 
the screen. Dots 4, 5, and 6 run down the right side of the screen. The 
three keys for each hand are turned sideways, but you still use the same 
fingers as you would on a standard six key braille keyboard.


Here's a description from the User Guide on our website:

We designed BrailleTouch so that you hold your phone in two hands with 
the screen facing away from you. Let's get familiar with how to hold the 
phone. First, pretend that you have a Perkins style braille keyboard on 
a table in front of you. Place your fingers on the imaginary six keys on 
the table. The first three fingers of each of your hands should be 
touching the table. Now lift your hands up, and turn your hands so your 
palms are facing each other. This is how you will hold the phone when 
typing in braille.


Now pick up your phone and turn it in landscape orientation, with the 
long side going from left to right. Flip the phone around so the screen 
is facing away from you, with the Home button on your right. Hold the 
phone between your two hands. Some people support the phone by pressing 
in with the palms of their hands from the left and right sides. Some 
people hold the phone with their two thumbs on the top and their little 
fingers on the bottom. Make sure the first three fingers of each hand 
are free to move and are not touching the screen, so you can type with 
them. Try different ways of gripping the phone until you find what is 
most comfortable for you. When you are comfortable holding the phone in 
this special way, you are ready to start BrailleTouch!


For best results, we recommend using a case with your iPhone or iPod 
touch. This will help you grip the phone in two hands. In addition, a 
case will keep your hand from covering the speaker under the Home button 
on the iPhone. If you use headphones, we recommend either using a 
Bluetooth wireless headset, or using a right angle headphone jack so you 
can grip the phone comfortably.



I hope this helps!
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 1/6/2013 1:04 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote:

On the podcast, Mr Hanson says he holds the phone in the palms with the screen 
facing away and the thumbs supporting the back of the phone. Would that mean 
that dots six and three are in the middle of the screen and dots one and six 
are closest to the ends of the phone? Sorry, meant one and four.
Reggie and Brooks




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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-06 Thread Cheryl Homiak
Yes, thanks for the confirmation about the location of the dots. I noticed this 
in the podcast. I had also been picturing a line of dots running from left to 
right across the long edge of the phone. Now it is clear that there are two 
groups of dots: 1-3 at one end of the phone and 4-6 at the other end. Although 
I read the manual, I did not understand this at first. I still think this will 
not be difficult to learn at all for quite a few of us.

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and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Jan 6, 2013, at 12:15 PM, BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com wrote:

 Hi Reggie,
 
 Actually, in BrailleTouch, dots 1, 2, and 3 run down the left side of the 
 screen. Dots 4, 5, and 6 run down the right side of the screen. The three 
 keys for each hand are turned sideways, but you still use the same fingers as 
 you would on a standard six key braille keyboard.
 
 Here's a description from the User Guide on our website:
 
 We designed BrailleTouch so that you hold your phone in two hands with the 
 screen facing away from you. Let's get familiar with how to hold the phone. 
 First, pretend that you have a Perkins style braille keyboard on a table in 
 front of you. Place your fingers on the imaginary six keys on the table. The 
 first three fingers of each of your hands should be touching the table. Now 
 lift your hands up, and turn your hands so your palms are facing each other. 
 This is how you will hold the phone when typing in braille.
 
 Now pick up your phone and turn it in landscape orientation, with the long 
 side going from left to right. Flip the phone around so the screen is facing 
 away from you, with the Home button on your right. Hold the phone between 
 your two hands. Some people support the phone by pressing in with the palms 
 of their hands from the left and right sides. Some people hold the phone with 
 their two thumbs on the top and their little fingers on the bottom. Make sure 
 the first three fingers of each hand are free to move and are not touching 
 the screen, so you can type with them. Try different ways of gripping the 
 phone until you find what is most comfortable for you. When you are 
 comfortable holding the phone in this special way, you are ready to start 
 BrailleTouch!
 
 For best results, we recommend using a case with your iPhone or iPod touch. 
 This will help you grip the phone in two hands. In addition, a case will keep 
 your hand from covering the speaker under the Home button on the iPhone. If 
 you use headphones, we recommend either using a Bluetooth wireless headset, 
 or using a right angle headphone jack so you can grip the phone comfortably.
 
 
 I hope this helps!
 Best,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
 
 On 1/6/2013 1:04 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote:
 On the podcast, Mr Hanson says he holds the phone in the palms with the 
 screen facing away and the thumbs supporting the back of the phone. Would 
 that mean that dots six and three are in the middle of the screen and dots 
 one and six are closest to the ends of the phone? Sorry, meant one and four.
 Reggie and Brooks
 
 
 
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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-06 Thread RobH!
I agree with you, if it fulfills a real need for an individual, it is worth 
it to them.
I'll have to see how it pans out in GBP mind,  amazing how much stuff comes 
over from the us and we are charged the same in £ as you in $ which is 
something like a 50% ripoff.  I think Apple do enough of this though they 
don't do the full $ to £; but neither is it anywhere near the exchange rate.

R!
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From: Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:31 PM
Subject: BrailleTouch app cost comparison


I am guilty in commenting on the price of this app too. If this app will do 
what it is expected, then it it worth the money. I would like to know how 
many of the list has Readp2Go or Digit-Eyes? Apps are the same price and we 
use them on a regular basis. If this app does what it is intended, I will 
purchase it. There are many people on this list that would love to have a 
Braille input device, but don't have the means to get one and this would be 
a wonderful solution.

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-05 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I don't get why it should be very confusing at first but I guess we'll find out 
when it comes out.
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(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Jan 5, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone heard the podcast over at Applevis? One of the editors, Mr Hanson, 
 demonstrates the app and does it well. Yes he goes on about the orientation 
 but he did admit it will be very confusing at first. Otherwise he gives us a 
 real sneak peak at what the app can do. If it does as advertised then I will 
 certainly put my iTunes credit to some use.
 
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 
 On 31/12/2012 14:31, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
  I am guilty in commenting on the price of this app too. If this app will do 
 what it is expected, then it it worth the money. I would like to know how 
 many of the list has Readp2Go or Digit-Eyes? Apps are the same price and we 
 use them on a regular basis. If this app does what it is intended, I will 
 purchase it. There are many people on this list that would love to have a 
 Braille input device, but don't have the means to get one and this would be 
 a wonderful solution.
 
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-05 Thread BrailleTouch

Thanks, Cheryl.

If anyone wants to see how BrailleTouch feels in advance, the User Guide 
for BrailleTouch is on our website. Many people have told us they have 
read the guide about how to hold the phone, before getting the app. They 
have locked their phone and tried holding it in landscape with the 
screen facing away from them, and then simulated typing in braille. I 
encourage people who are interested to try this out, or to try it while 
listening to Michael Hansen's AppleVis demonstration podcast.

http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-brailletouch

I hope this helps!
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 1/5/2013 6:27 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

I don't get why it should be very confusing at first but I guess we'll find out 
when it comes out.


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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-05 Thread Rebecca Ilniski
Hi all. I thought that the podcast was well done, both podcasts the demo one as 
well as the roundtable discussion. I then went to the web site and read the 
user guide and am definitely  ready for the release and am excited. 

Rebecca and Zeb
rilni...@gmail.com
Sent from my iphone 

On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone heard the podcast over at Applevis? One of the editors, Mr Hanson, 
 demonstrates the app and does it well. Yes he goes on about the orientation 
 but he did admit it will be very confusing at first. Otherwise he gives us a 
 real sneak peak at what the app can do. If it does as advertised then I will 
 certainly put my iTunes credit to some use.
 
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 
 On 31/12/2012 14:31, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
  I am guilty in commenting on the price of this app too. If this app will do 
 what it is expected, then it it worth the money. I would like to know how 
 many of the list has Readp2Go or Digit-Eyes? Apps are the same price and we 
 use them on a regular basis. If this app does what it is intended, I will 
 purchase it. There are many people on this list that would love to have a 
 Braille input device, but don't have the means to get one and this would be 
 a wonderful solution.
 
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-05 Thread Cheryl Homiak
You could definitely tell that one could type pretty quickly with it.

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be acceptable to You, Lord,
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On Jan 5, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Rebecca Ilniski rilni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all. I thought that the podcast was well done, both podcasts the demo one 
 as well as the roundtable discussion. I then went to the web site and read 
 the user guide and am definitely  ready for the release and am excited. 
 
 Rebecca and Zeb
 rilni...@gmail.com
 Sent from my iphone 
 
 On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Has anyone heard the podcast over at Applevis? One of the editors, Mr 
 Hanson, demonstrates the app and does it well. Yes he goes on about the 
 orientation but he did admit it will be very confusing at first. Otherwise 
 he gives us a real sneak peak at what the app can do. If it does as 
 advertised then I will certainly put my iTunes credit to some use.
 
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 
 On 31/12/2012 14:31, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
 I am guilty in commenting on the price of this app too. If this app will do 
 what it is expected, then it it worth the money. I would like to know how 
 many of the list has Readp2Go or Digit-Eyes? Apps are the same price and we 
 use them on a regular basis. If this app does what it is intended, I will 
 purchase it. There are many people on this list that would love to have a 
 Braille input device, but don't have the means to get one and this would be 
 a wonderful solution.
 
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-05 Thread Grant Hardy
How practical is this app going to be for people who don't use cases?
Seems like it would be rather awkward to hold the phone the correct
way unless you were completely stationary.

Grant

On 1/5/13, BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com wrote:
 Thanks, Cheryl.

 If anyone wants to see how BrailleTouch feels in advance, the User Guide
 for BrailleTouch is on our website. Many people have told us they have
 read the guide about how to hold the phone, before getting the app. They
 have locked their phone and tried holding it in landscape with the
 screen facing away from them, and then simulated typing in braille. I
 encourage people who are interested to try this out, or to try it while
 listening to Michael Hansen's AppleVis demonstration podcast.
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-brailletouch

 I hope this helps!
 Best,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/

 On 1/5/2013 6:27 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
 I don't get why it should be very confusing at first but I guess we'll
 find out when it comes out.

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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-05 Thread Cheryl Homiak
They recommend a case but I don't think I need one; I'm not planning to do 
typing anywhere where I think i'd drop the phone anyway. But I don't think you 
need to be stationary either if you mean sitting down somewhere; i think i can 
do it standing or walking somewher where I am familiar with my surroundings and 
not needing to use my cane. But then I don't type anyway without these factors. 
I'm not typing on the virtual keyboard or pulling out my bluetooth keyboard in 
situations where I'd have to balance them while trying to get somewhere though 
I'm sure some have the skill to do this. Dictation also has its limitations in 
a noisy environment so whatever you do, there are limitations. That's why it's 
good there are several options.

 
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and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
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On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote:

 How practical is this app going to be for people who don't use cases?
 Seems like it would be rather awkward to hold the phone the correct
 way unless you were completely stationary.
 
 Grant
 
 On 1/5/13, BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com wrote:
 Thanks, Cheryl.
 
 If anyone wants to see how BrailleTouch feels in advance, the User Guide
 for BrailleTouch is on our website. Many people have told us they have
 read the guide about how to hold the phone, before getting the app. They
 have locked their phone and tried holding it in landscape with the
 screen facing away from them, and then simulated typing in braille. I
 encourage people who are interested to try this out, or to try it while
 listening to Michael Hansen's AppleVis demonstration podcast.
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-brailletouch
 
 I hope this helps!
 Best,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
 On 1/5/2013 6:27 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
 I don't get why it should be very confusing at first but I guess we'll
 find out when it comes out.
 
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Re: BrailleTouch app cost comparison

2013-01-05 Thread BrailleTouch

We recommend using a case with BrailleTouch for several reasons.
1. A case will help you grip the phone from the sides with both hands.
2. On the iPhone the speaker is under the Home button. A case will help 
keep your hand from blocking the speaker, if you use the speaker and not 
headphones. (The speaker location on the iPod touch is not an issue.)

3. A case will help orient your fingers on the screen when you are typing.

It may work for you without a case. Please try the app with the free 
version first.


Best,
Caleb
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On 1/5/2013 10:18 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

They recommend a case but I don't think I need one; I'm not planning to do 
typing anywhere where I think i'd drop the phone anyway. But I don't think you 
need to be stationary either if you mean sitting down somewhere; i think i can 
do it standing or walking somewher where I am familiar with my surroundings and 
not needing to use my cane. But then I don't type anyway without these factors. 
I'm not typing on the virtual keyboard or pulling out my bluetooth keyboard in 
situations where I'd have to balance them while trying to get somewhere though 
I'm sure some have the skill to do this. Dictation also has its limitations in 
a noisy environment so whatever you do, there are limitations. That's why it's 
good there are several options.

  


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