Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Unless someof us tried it, they wouldn't know about all the bugs; so the rest of the more adventurous are doing the rest, and You, a big favour really. Hope you appreciate that. R. - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:37 AM Subject: RE: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Yes, it is exactly what I am doing. I don't have my iPhone full, but I am not going to install IOs8, until they fix all those bugs. It is something that I recommend to every body. IOs 8 has good things, but the accessibility is something very important to us, so we need to wait a little bit, to enjoy the good things of IOs8. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I use to lament the fact that my iPhone 5 was too full of stuff, and looked forward to the 128 gig iPhone 6. Now, I am keeping it too full on purpose, so that Apple can't download IOS 8 onto it automatically, until they get some of the bugs fixed, and I am ready to install it. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:21 AM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 You can't it will have to be installed one day. Even if you delete the download from settings general usage it will reappear at some point. I say if you don't like this then don't be part of the Apple ecosystem. Just my £0.02 worth. Sent from my laptop On 09/10/2014 02:11, Joe wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my
RE: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
No, it is not true. The beta testers informed apple about the most part of bugs found in IOs8, even though, they didn't pay attention to these reports. So, what is the function of the beta testers then? People in this email list are beta testers, and they reported those bugs to apple. No matter, apple released IOs8. Of course, they reported those bugs months before the release. So? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH. Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Unless someof us tried it, they wouldn't know about all the bugs; so the rest of the more adventurous are doing the rest, and You, a big favour really. Hope you appreciate that. R. - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:37 AM Subject: RE: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Yes, it is exactly what I am doing. I don't have my iPhone full, but I am not going to install IOs8, until they fix all those bugs. It is something that I recommend to every body. IOs 8 has good things, but the accessibility is something very important to us, so we need to wait a little bit, to enjoy the good things of IOs8. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I use to lament the fact that my iPhone 5 was too full of stuff, and looked forward to the 128 gig iPhone 6. Now, I am keeping it too full on purpose, so that Apple can't download IOS 8 onto it automatically, until they get some of the bugs fixed, and I am ready to install it. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:21 AM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 You can't it will have to be installed one day. Even if you delete the download from settings general usage it will reappear at some point. I say if you don't like this then don't be part of the Apple ecosystem. Just my £0.02 worth. Sent from my laptop On 09/10/2014 02:11, Joe wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
well spoken. bugs have been reported the accessibility team at all cycles of the betas ... cheers. Em 10/10/2014 11:03, Pablo Morales escreveu: No, it is not true. The beta testers informed apple about the most part of bugs found in IOs8, even though, they didn't pay attention to these reports. So, what is the function of the beta testers then? People in this email list are beta testers, and they reported those bugs to apple. No matter, apple released IOs8. Of course, they reported those bugs months before the release. So? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH. Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Unless someof us tried it, they wouldn't know about all the bugs; so the rest of the more adventurous are doing the rest, and You, a big favour really. Hope you appreciate that. R. - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:37 AM Subject: RE: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Yes, it is exactly what I am doing. I don't have my iPhone full, but I am not going to install IOs8, until they fix all those bugs. It is something that I recommend to every body. IOs 8 has good things, but the accessibility is something very important to us, so we need to wait a little bit, to enjoy the good things of IOs8. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I use to lament the fact that my iPhone 5 was too full of stuff, and looked forward to the 128 gig iPhone 6. Now, I am keeping it too full on purpose, so that Apple can't download IOS 8 onto it automatically, until they get some of the bugs fixed, and I am ready to install it. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:21 AM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 You can't it will have to be installed one day. Even if you delete the download from settings general usage it will reappear at some point. I say if you don't like this then don't be part of the Apple ecosystem. Just my £0.02 worth. Sent from my laptop On 09/10/2014 02:11, Joe wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
You can't it will have to be installed one day. Even if you delete the download from settings general usage it will reappear at some point. I say if you don't like this then don't be part of the Apple ecosystem. Just my £0.02 worth. Sent from my laptop On 09/10/2014 02:11, Joe wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Hi, You cannot get rid of the notice that an update is available, but if it has auto downloaded the update, you can remove it from your device by going to: Settings, General, Usage, Storage, and removing the iOS update from the list. This will recover the space taken up by the update package. On the topic of iOS, people have expressed a lot of opinions as to the quality of iOS 8 and the commitment of Apple to accessibility without any supporting facts. Consider this simple business problem. You have manufactured millions of iPhones that started back in June for sale in the fall. You must have iOS 8 deployed before you can sell the new hardware. What are you going to do? Wait until December when iOS is a little more stable, or release as planned and try to have the software patched as quickly as possible? It's simple business. you start selling the phones as planned. Sadly, priorities on the bug list usually depend on how they affect the majority of users. No doubt many critical or serious bugs are in the voice over category that were deferred until a future update. Until Apple realizes that the new phones should not be so tightly coupled to iOS releases, we can expect to see seemingly major setbacks every year. I had to return my iPhone 4 because iOS 4 was too buggy and it broke all my apps that I used perfectly well on the 3GS under iOS 3. Alas, I have no optimism that Apple will break from this model anytime soon. What I do wish Tim Cook would realize is that when VO has significant bugs in new releases, and we have no way of rolling back to a stable platform because Apple stopped signing older versions of iOS, it is as bad as yanking a cane out of our hands and saying Well, you can crawl to get where you are going. Yes. I feel iOS 8 is that bad and buggy. My productivity has gone down by 15 percent. I know because I track time on tasks. Best, --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
I'm saying this as an big Apple fan, but I can't help thinking of the new updates as public betas for all intents and purposes. I do see the downside of linking a software update to hardware production. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote: Hi, You cannot get rid of the notice that an update is available, but if it has auto downloaded the update, you can remove it from your device by going to: Settings, General, Usage, Storage, and removing the iOS update from the list. This will recover the space taken up by the update package. On the topic of iOS, people have expressed a lot of opinions as to the quality of iOS 8 and the commitment of Apple to accessibility without any supporting facts. Consider this simple business problem. You have manufactured millions of iPhones that started back in June for sale in the fall. You must have iOS 8 deployed before you can sell the new hardware. What are you going to do? Wait until December when iOS is a little more stable, or release as planned and try to have the software patched as quickly as possible? It's simple business. you start selling the phones as planned. Sadly, priorities on the bug list usually depend on how they affect the majority of users. No doubt many critical or serious bugs are in the voice over category that were deferred until a future update. Until Apple realizes that the new phones should not be so tightly coupled to iOS releases, we can expect to see seemingly major setbacks every year. I had to return my iPhone 4 because iOS 4 was too buggy and it broke all my apps that I used perfectly well on the 3GS under iOS 3. Alas, I have no optimism that Apple will break from this model anytime soon. What I do wish Tim Cook would realize is that when VO has significant bugs in new releases, and we have no way of rolling back to a stable platform because Apple stopped signing older versions of iOS, it is as bad as yanking a cane out of our hands and saying Well, you can crawl to get where you are going. Yes. I feel iOS 8 is that bad and buggy. My productivity has gone down by 15 percent. I know because I track time on tasks. Best, --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
I deleted it on my ipad mini. I always run my ipad mini in airplane mode when not downloading content or using Safari.. This way, I won't get it back on my ipad mini. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 11:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 You can't it will have to be installed one day. Even if you delete the download from settings general usage it will reappear at some point. I say if you don't like this then don't be part of the Apple ecosystem. Just my £0.02 worth. Sent from my laptop On 09/10/2014 02:11, Joe wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
I use to lament the fact that my iPhone 5 was too full of stuff, and looked forward to the 128 gig iPhone 6. Now, I am keeping it too full on purpose, so that Apple can't download IOS 8 onto it automatically, until they get some of the bugs fixed, and I am ready to install it. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:21 AM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 You can't it will have to be installed one day. Even if you delete the download from settings general usage it will reappear at some point. I say if you don't like this then don't be part of the Apple ecosystem. Just my £0.02 worth. Sent from my laptop On 09/10/2014 02:11, Joe wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please
RE: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Yes, it is exactly what I am doing. I don't have my iPhone full, but I am not going to install IOs8, until they fix all those bugs. It is something that I recommend to every body. IOs 8 has good things, but the accessibility is something very important to us, so we need to wait a little bit, to enjoy the good things of IOs8. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I use to lament the fact that my iPhone 5 was too full of stuff, and looked forward to the 128 gig iPhone 6. Now, I am keeping it too full on purpose, so that Apple can't download IOS 8 onto it automatically, until they get some of the bugs fixed, and I am ready to install it. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:21 AM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 You can't it will have to be installed one day. Even if you delete the download from settings general usage it will reappear at some point. I say if you don't like this then don't be part of the Apple ecosystem. Just my £0.02 worth. Sent from my laptop On 09/10/2014 02:11, Joe wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you
RE: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Easy there killer. I don't want to upgrade to iOS 8 on my 4S because I think it will dampen the performance on my slower processor. At some point I hope to get at least the 5S, but until then, I'd just assume go on enjoying the Apple ecosystem in a way that is as efficient as possible. I expect bugs, just part of technology, certainly no reason to tell people to just ditch Apple and go somewhere else. Just my two American cents worth. Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 You can't it will have to be installed one day. Even if you delete the download from settings general usage it will reappear at some point. I say if you don't like this then don't be part of the Apple ecosystem. Just my £0.02 worth. Sent from my laptop On 09/10/2014 02:11, Joe wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone
RE: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
It seems to me we had this discussion back when iOS 7 came out. The consensus then was that you cannot get rid of the software, even if you don't install it. You are stuck with it on your iPhone. That is unfortunate, but that is the way Apple does things. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote: On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings. I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space? Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 hi, exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work. Bryan Schulz - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
In my case, I decided to give ios 8 a try on my ipod touch 5th generation. I did find a couple of bugs I reported to Apple Accessibility. In one case, they ask for more info on the problem. It seems like they are looking into the bugs. I mainly use my first generation ipad mini and decided at this point in time not to upgrade it to ios 8. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Ah, but if you've been reading, there are a lot of people who are saying that they don't want to download until, and here is the key, most of the major bugs, not all of the bugs, have been worked out. There are good reasons why people don't want to upgrade from a stable firmware to a buggy one, and, have you noticed just how many bugs there are for Voice-Over users? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
In addition, everyone may place a different priority on different features and bugs. If I wasn't getting a new iPhone 6 soon after iOS 8 came out, then I would probably have waited to update until some of the Braille display and other Braille issues were fixed, since I regularly use a Braille display with my iPhone. A lot of the bugs referred to things I dont' use, like Siri, but to upgrade and lose or be very limited on my Braille display working was a deal breaker for me. Your milage may vary. While I don't agree that people should wait months to update, if someone is waiting on a major bug to be fixed before they do so, then what's wrong with that? Wayne On 9/30/14, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Nothing and these are very reasonable points. Thanks all again and sorry if I opened up a can of worms. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 21:07, Wayne Merritt wrote: In addition, everyone may place a different priority on different features and bugs. If I wasn't getting a new iPhone 6 soon after iOS 8 came out, then I would probably have waited to update until some of the Braille display and other Braille issues were fixed, since I regularly use a Braille display with my iPhone. A lot of the bugs referred to things I dont' use, like Siri, but to upgrade and lose or be very limited on my Braille display working was a deal breaker for me. Your milage may vary. While I don't agree that people should wait months to update, if someone is waiting on a major bug to be fixed before they do so, then what's wrong with that? Wayne On 9/30/14, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
I thought the comments made were very reasonable. Just because you don't agree with the comment, doesn't make it any less reasonable. There have been numerous posts about Apps that are not working under iOS 8 as they did under iOS 7. If someone is dependent on those Apps to use and enjoy their devices, why should they update until they work correctly under the new ios? I don't believe the user community is responsible for calling attention to problems the developers should have resolved before the update was released. I depend on Fleksy VO for the majority of my input on my iPhone and we know the problems Fleksy has had since iOS 8 came out. I agree that ultimately upgrading has to happen for things to advance and that those who choose to upgrade early should communicate experienced problems with the developers. But each individual must answer what is the best time for them to upgrade based on their personal situation and the Apps on which they depend. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone On Sep 30, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Nothing and these are very reasonable points. Thanks all again and sorry if I opened up a can of worms. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 21:07, Wayne Merritt wrote: In addition, everyone may place a different priority on different features and bugs. If I wasn't getting a new iPhone 6 soon after iOS 8 came out, then I would probably have waited to update until some of the Braille display and other Braille issues were fixed, since I regularly use a Braille display with my iPhone. A lot of the bugs referred to things I dont' use, like Siri, but to upgrade and lose or be very limited on my Braille display working was a deal breaker for me. Your milage may vary. While I don't agree that people should wait months to update, if someone is waiting on a major bug to be fixed before they do so, then what's wrong with that? Wayne On 9/30/14, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Hi, This looks like another example of Apple brainwashing! How many people are still using windows XP or Office 2003 and haven't upgraded? No one questions that. If your phone is working fine and the new features don't mean much to you, you don't have to upgrade just because every one else does. I personally upgraded the first day so I could check out iOS8 myself and if it was not for onboard braille, I would have roled back by now, as none of the other additions in iOS8 are things I have to have. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 1 Oct 2014, at 5:00 am, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Ah, but if you've been reading, there are a lot of people who are saying that they don't want to download until, and here is the key, most of the major bugs, not all of the bugs, have been worked out. There are good reasons why people don't want to upgrade from a stable firmware to a buggy one, and, have you noticed just how many bugs there are for Voice-Over users? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the newest edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell phone. And they do not do so for a darned good reason. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list
Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8
Eat your worms. I've heard they taste like fat spaghetti. (grinning rottenly) --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Nothing and these are very reasonable points. Thanks all again and sorry if I opened up a can of worms. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 21:07, Wayne Merritt wrote: In addition, everyone may place a different priority on different features and bugs. If I wasn't getting a new iPhone 6 soon after iOS 8 came out, then I would probably have waited to update until some of the Braille display and other Braille issues were fixed, since I regularly use a Braille display with my iPhone. A lot of the bugs referred to things I dont' use, like Siri, but to upgrade and lose or be very limited on my Braille display working was a deal breaker for me. Your milage may vary. While I don't agree that people should wait months to update, if someone is waiting on a major bug to be fixed before they do so, then what's wrong with that? Wayne On 9/30/14, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Chris, No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade, for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always, greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to deal with bugs and errors. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes. All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are, including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends. Sent from my laptop On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Shawn, Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far from as good as it could be *smile*. Unfortunately providing feedback is not a guaranty that all bugs which are discovered during the beta cycle will be illuminated when the public release happens. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8 I agree with you Chris. This is the reason why I'm beta testing Yosemite so when it launches October 21 it's as good as it can be. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all Here are my personal thoughts on why you should upgrade to iOS 8 despite the bugs. If you do upgrade and discover bugs yourself, you are actually doing Apple a favour as you can then report your own bugs to them, including attempting to reproduce them at their end by providing step by step instructions on how to produce the bugs where possible. This cannot be achieved if you yourself don't upgrade because you of course won't see the bugs yourself. I can understand however if your device(s) are used for purposes other than personal. In reality you will never have software in general that is bug free as bugs are part of development. Not only developers make mistakes; software itself can as well. Just my £0.02 worth. -- Sent from my laptop -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel
