RE: NFL and iOS App

2022-09-12 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Totally agree. I got SiriusXM during the preseason, and I listened to three 
games on Sunday with no problem. I even caught the pregame show for the 
Dolphins game.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

Right, doable but not very accessible isn’t worth paying for.
Thanks,


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

The only way I could find the radio broadcasts was to into the scores.


Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.



OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here’s what I did:

1.I brought up the NFL app.

2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn’t 
figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.

3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested 
in. In this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.

4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.

5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the 
Patriots, or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could 
double tap on the away feed.

6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won’t hear anything 
because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the volume 
up button.

7.Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally 
inaccessible, so there’s no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.



Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn’t unmute the audio, 
so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a sighted person 
around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible player.


SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
game, but I haven’t tried that yet!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
up for the free trial.

First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily in 
a helpful format, but lots of info.

Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
broadcasts.

And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!

And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
kickoff on.

SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.

And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
app is not as reliable as in the past.

So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM gives 
you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell would 
anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?

Adios,

Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: 
https://www.turner42.com<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cbf281541094f4b41a95808da94eb9f2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637986036955570718%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb

RE: NFL and iOS App

2022-09-12 Thread Richard Turner
Right, doable but not very accessible isn’t worth paying for.

Thanks,

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

 

The only way I could find the radio broadcasts was to into the scores.

 

Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.

 

OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here’s what I did:

1.I brought up the NFL app.

2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn’t 
figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.

3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested 
in. In this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.

4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.

5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the 
Patriots, or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could 
double tap on the away feed.

6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won’t hear anything 
because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the volume 
up button.

7.Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally 
inaccessible, so there’s no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.

 

Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn’t unmute the audio, 
so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a sighted person 
around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible player.

 

SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
game, but I haven’t tried that yet!

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

 

OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
up for the free trial.

 

First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily in 
a helpful format, but lots of info.

 

Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
broadcasts.

 

And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!

 

And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
kickoff on.

 

SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.

 

And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
app is not as reliable as in the past.

 

So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM gives 
you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell would 
anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?

 

Adios,

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:  
<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C20216b6ef0334b6649f208da94dc0ac3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637985970045188246%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=qKzvrVsSppQJJOsAgqCesLhvWx%2B7DeM6IEmOT6U5WG0%3D&reserved=0>
 https://www.turner42.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App

 

Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?

I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
<https://nam12.s

RE: NFL and iOS App

2022-09-12 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I did report this to the NFL and even opened up a complaint with the DOJ under 
the ADA.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App

Richard, thanks for this review. I suspect the NFL knows they have problems. 
Why else would they be advertising as much as they do. Another company that 
bothers me is NBC. Peacock if you wanted to watch the Sunday baseball games 
they do you have to sign up for premium at 499 a month. Now they are offering 
it for less than half of that for one year. But again, as far as I’m concerned, 
who needs any of this. I do have SiriusXM and I’ve never regretted it. that was 
4.99 per month. so I don’t want anybody’s heart to go into arrhythmia.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
up for the free trial.

First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily in 
a helpful format, but lots of info.

Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
broadcasts.

And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!

And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
kickoff on.

SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.

And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
app is not as reliable as in the past.

So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM gives 
you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell would 
anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?

Adios,

Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: 
https://www.turner42.com<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cdb0fdf16ff21477e0b4208da94df91ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637985985191086585%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4a5CJmWlaQp3qsU67Is9zQbJylYizgeiFMSoF4dz92c%3D&reserved=0>
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App

Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?
I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.




Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: 
https://www.turner42.com<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cdb0fdf16ff21477e0b4208da94df91ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637985985191086585%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4a5CJmWlaQp3qsU67Is9zQbJylYizgeiFMSoF4dz92c%3D&reserved=0>




On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Kelly Ford 
mailto:ke...@theideaplace.net>> wrote:
Here is what I had to do.

1. Get to the list of games.
2. Double tap on the game I wanted.
3. Slide my finger to the right edge of the screen where that game was located.
4. Lift my finger a bit but keep track of the physical location.
5. Turn off VoiceOver.
6. Touch the right edge of the screen where the game is located.
7. Turn back on VoiceOver.


Now you will be able to read the buttons for the different broadcasts.


It would appear that the NFL is using some graphic that isn't read by screen 
readers to create the three dots that are shown visibly here to bring up these 
buttons.  A similar issue happens on the web site but there, they did add a tab 
stop to the unread graphic.

Kelly



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.

O

RE: NFL and iOS App

2022-09-12 Thread Christopher Chaltain
The only way I could find the radio broadcasts was to into the scores.


Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.



OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here’s what I did:

1.I brought up the NFL app.

2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn’t 
figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.

3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested 
in. In this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.

4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.

5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the 
Patriots, or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could 
double tap on the away feed.

6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won’t hear anything 
because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the volume 
up button.

7.Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally 
inaccessible, so there’s no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.



Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn’t unmute the audio, 
so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a sighted person 
around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible player.


SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
game, but I haven’t tried that yet!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
up for the free trial.

First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily in 
a helpful format, but lots of info.

Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
broadcasts.

And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!

And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
kickoff on.

SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.

And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
app is not as reliable as in the past.

So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM gives 
you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell would 
anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?

Adios,

Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: 
https://www.turner42.com<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C20216b6ef0334b6649f208da94dc0ac3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637985970045188246%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=qKzvrVsSppQJJOsAgqCesLhvWx%2B7DeM6IEmOT6U5WG0%3D&reserved=0>
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App

Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?
I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.




Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: 
https://www.turner42.com<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C20216b6ef0334b6649f208da94dc0ac3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637985970045198203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bETH6%2FZlNwqVT93T4l9aw3YsXVmKmBNCzkrarGWbN1o%3D&reserved=0>


On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Kelly Ford 
mailto:ke...@theideaplace.net>> wrote:
Here is what I had to do.

1. Get to the list of games.
2. Double tap on the game I wanted.
3. Slide my finger to the right edge of the screen where that game was located.
4. Lift my finger a bit b

Re: NFL and iOS App

2022-09-12 Thread Les Kriegler
Richard, thanks for this review. I suspect the NFL knows they have problems. 
Why else would they be advertising as much as they do. Another company that 
bothers me is NBC. Peacock if you wanted to watch the Sunday baseball games 
they do you have to sign up for premium at 499 a month. Now they are offering 
it for less than half of that for one year. But again, as far as I’m concerned, 
who needs any of this. I do have SiriusXM and I’ve never regretted it. that was 
4.99 per month. so I don’t want anybody’s heart to go into arrhythmia.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
> up for the free trial.
>  
> First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily 
> in a helpful format, but lots of info.
>  
> Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
> broadcasts.
>  
> And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
> game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!
>  
> And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
> kickoff on.
>  
> SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
> complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
> Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
> find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.
>  
> And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
> app is not as reliable as in the past.
>  
> So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM 
> gives you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell 
> would anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?
>  
> Adios,
>  
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 🦅
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App
>  
> Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?
> I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Here is what I had to do.
> 
> 1. Get to the list of games.
> 2. Double tap on the game I wanted.
> 3. Slide my finger to the right edge of the screen where that game was 
> located.
> 4. Lift my finger a bit but keep track of the physical location.
> 5. Turn off VoiceOver.
> 6. Touch the right edge of the screen where the game is located.
> 7. Turn back on VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> Now you will be able to read the buttons for the different broadcasts.
> 
> 
> It would appear that the NFL is using some graphic that isn't read by screen 
> readers to create the three dots that are shown visibly here to bring up 
> these buttons.  A similar issue happens on the web site but there, they did 
> add a tab stop to the unread graphic.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App
> 
> Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
> and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
> doable but not very accessible.
> 
> OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
> they did the season before last season. Here's what I did:
> 1.I brought up the NFL app.
> 2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn't 
> figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.
> 3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested in. In 
> this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.
> 4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.
> 5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the Patriots, 
> or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could double tap on 
> the away feed.
> 6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won't hear anything 
> because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the 
> volume up button.
> 7.

RE: NFL and iOS App

2022-09-12 Thread Richard Turner
OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
up for the free trial.

 

First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily in 
a helpful format, but lots of info.

 

Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
broadcasts.

 

And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!

 

And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
kickoff on.

 

SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.

 

And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
app is not as reliable as in the past.

 

So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM gives 
you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell would 
anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?

 

Adios,

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

🦅

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App

 

Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?

I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Kelly Ford mailto:ke...@theideaplace.net> > wrote:

Here is what I had to do.

1. Get to the list of games.
2. Double tap on the game I wanted.
3. Slide my finger to the right edge of the screen where that game was located.
4. Lift my finger a bit but keep track of the physical location.
5. Turn off VoiceOver.
6. Touch the right edge of the screen where the game is located.
7. Turn back on VoiceOver.


Now you will be able to read the buttons for the different broadcasts.


It would appear that the NFL is using some graphic that isn't read by screen 
readers to create the three dots that are shown visibly here to bring up these 
buttons.  A similar issue happens on the web site but there, they did add a tab 
stop to the unread graphic.

Kelly



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.

OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here's what I did:
1.I brought up the NFL app.
2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn't figure 
out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.
3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested in. In 
this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.
4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.
5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the Patriots, or 
I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could double tap on the 
away feed.
6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won't hear anything because 
the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the volume up 
button.
7.Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally inaccessible, so 
there's no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.

Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn't unmute the audio, 
so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a sighted person 
around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible player.

SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
game, but I haven't tried that yet!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kelly Ford
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googleg

Re: NFL and iOS App

2022-09-11 Thread Richard Turner
Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?
I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.





Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


> On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Here is what I had to do.
> 
> 1. Get to the list of games.
> 2. Double tap on the game I wanted.
> 3. Slide my finger to the right edge of the screen where that game was 
> located.
> 4. Lift my finger a bit but keep track of the physical location.
> 5. Turn off VoiceOver.
> 6. Touch the right edge of the screen where the game is located.
> 7. Turn back on VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> Now you will be able to read the buttons for the different broadcasts.
> 
> 
> It would appear that the NFL is using some graphic that isn't read by screen 
> readers to create the three dots that are shown visibly here to bring up 
> these buttons.  A similar issue happens on the web site but there, they did 
> add a tab stop to the unread graphic.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App
> 
> Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
> and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
> doable but not very accessible.
> 
> OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
> they did the season before last season. Here's what I did:
> 1.I brought up the NFL app.
> 2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn't 
> figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.
> 3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested in. In 
> this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.
> 4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.
> 5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the Patriots, 
> or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could double tap on 
> the away feed.
> 6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won't hear anything 
> because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the 
> volume up button.
> 7.Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally inaccessible, 
> so there's no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.
> 
> Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
> Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn't unmute the 
> audio, so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a 
> sighted person around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible 
> player.
> 
> SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
> instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
> game, but I haven't tried that yet!
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
> Ford
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: NFL and iOS App
> 
> I am curious if anyone else has the NFL plus subscription and has tried it on 
> the iPhone with the NFL app? this is supposed to give you video and audio for 
> all of the games. I can play a game, but I do not appear to be able to find a 
> way to switch for example, between the television or radio broadcasts, or if 
> only the radio option is available, between different broadcast, such as home 
> and away.
> 
> If anyone else has tried this app, and has suggestions, let me know.
> 
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RE: NFL and iOS App

2022-09-11 Thread Kelly Ford
Here is what I had to do.

1. Get to the list of games.
2. Double tap on the game I wanted.
3. Slide my finger to the right edge of the screen where that game was located.
4. Lift my finger a bit but keep track of the physical location.
5. Turn off VoiceOver.
6. Touch the right edge of the screen where the game is located.
7. Turn back on VoiceOver.


Now you will be able to read the buttons for the different broadcasts.


It would appear that the NFL is using some graphic that isn't read by screen 
readers to create the three dots that are shown visibly here to bring up these 
buttons.  A similar issue happens on the web site but there, they did add a tab 
stop to the unread graphic.

Kelly



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.

OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here's what I did:
1.  I brought up the NFL app.
2.  I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn't 
figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.
3.  In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested in. In 
this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.
4.  I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.
5.  Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the Patriots, 
or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could double tap on 
the away feed.
6.  At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won't hear anything 
because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the volume 
up button.
7.  Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally inaccessible, 
so there's no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.

Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn't unmute the audio, 
so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a sighted person 
around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible player.

SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
game, but I haven't tried that yet!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Ford
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NFL and iOS App

I am curious if anyone else has the NFL plus subscription and has tried it on 
the iPhone with the NFL app? this is supposed to give you video and audio for 
all of the games. I can play a game, but I do not appear to be able to find a 
way to switch for example, between the television or radio broadcasts, or if 
only the radio option is available, between different broadcast, such as home 
and away.

If anyone else has tried this app, and has suggestions, let me know.

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RE: NFL and iOS App

2022-09-11 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.

OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here's what I did:
1.  I brought up the NFL app.
2.  I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn't 
figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.
3.  In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested in. In 
this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.
4.  I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.
5.  Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the Patriots, 
or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could double tap on 
the away feed.
6.  At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won't hear anything 
because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the volume 
up button.
7.  Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally inaccessible, 
so there's no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.

Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn't unmute the audio, 
so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a sighted person 
around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible player.

SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
game, but I haven't tried that yet!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Ford
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NFL and iOS App

I am curious if anyone else has the NFL plus subscription and has tried it on 
the iPhone with the NFL app? this is supposed to give you video and audio for 
all of the games. I can play a game, but I do not appear to be able to find a 
way to switch for example, between the television or radio broadcasts, or if 
only the radio option is available, between different broadcast, such as home 
and away.

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