Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Richard Turner]

APH sells the Orbit primarily to educational systems who get money through the 
Department of Education so they seem to charge $100 more than Orbit Research.
So, if you decide to buy an Orbit, I'd buy it from Orbit Research.


Richard

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On Oct 6, 2019, at 12:28 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:

 I still see it sold on the APH website, though for $700 rather than $400 as 
originally advertised some time ago. With that much of a price hike, one might 
as well buy a slightly more expensive one for the extra features.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 6, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
mailto:als5...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If I were going to buy one of the inexpensive braille displays, it most 
probably would be the Orbit Reader. However, I do wonder about the long-term 
future of Orbit Research. I don't know what else they manufacture besides the 
Orbit Reader and their calculator. How many of these devices can they sell 
before the market is saturated. It would be very interesting to get, as it 
were, the real story as to why American Printing House decided to stop 
distributing the Orbit Reader, in favor of what they are now wanting people to 
believe to be a better device.

Arnold Schmidt


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

i have one and love it.
I do not mind no routing keys.
It is very basic.
Meaning, you have to convert files to BRF or BRL before putting them on the SD 
card or you will not be able to read them.
It has no translation software.
But, the dots feel better on it than any other display I have used, which is 
most of them.
It works great with the iPhone or with computers via USB.
Some people have had issues with dots sticking, but I do not think any more 
than other displays and the cost is so much less, and cost for repairs are so 
much less, I'm not worried about that.
I've had mine almost a year and had no issues.
He is sweet what I'm thinking about

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Oct 6, 2019, at 4:53 AM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Has anyone tried the Orbit Reader?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 6, 2019, at 12:16 AM, 
mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> 
mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Karl, what is involved in connecting the brailliant to iphone via Bluetooth?  I 
am familiar with trying to connect braillenote apex to iphone via Bluetooth, so 
any comparisons you can make between these two units would be helpful.

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Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: A question about which braille display to buy.

Hi Jan,

I'm not Richard but the Braille Edge is $2,495.00 if Hims still have any to 
sell. If you are interested I have a Humanware Brailliant 40 which is my dealer 
demo unit which has been lightly used for $1,100.00 including an Executive 
Products leather case and shipping in the U.S.

Karl



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Subject: Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

Hi Richard,

How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  Thanks 
for the info.

Jan

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RE: A question about which braille display to buy.

[rilniski]

I have an Orbit Reader but have had nothing but issues on and off since I've
gotten it.  I've had to send it back numerous times for repairs and if I
have to send it back again it will be the 4 or 5 time sending it back.  Most
of the repairs have been for pin issues.  This time I'm getting lots of
jibberish and only one side of my display goes down and the other half stays
in the up position.  This started happening while I was reading a book. Back
in late June I bought myself a Focus 14 fifth generation and have not had
any problems with it at all since I've gotten it.  It's more expensive but
worth the bucks I spent and is more stable.  

Rebecca

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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[kelby carlson]

I still see it sold on the APH website, though for $700 rather than $400 as 
originally advertised some time ago. With that much of a price hike, one might 
as well buy a slightly more expensive one for the extra features.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> If I were going to buy one of the inexpensive braille displays, it most 
> probably would be the Orbit Reader. However, I do wonder about the long-term 
> future of Orbit Research. I don't know what else they manufacture besides the 
> Orbit Reader and their calculator. How many of these devices can they sell 
> before the market is saturated. It would be very interesting to get, as it 
> were, the real story as to why American Printing House decided to stop 
> distributing the Orbit Reader, in favor of what they are now wanting people 
> to believe to be a better device. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
> 
> On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> i have one and love it.
> I do not mind no routing keys.
> It is very basic.
> Meaning, you have to convert files to BRF or BRL before putting them on the 
> SD card or you will not be able to read them.
> It has no translation software.
> But, the dots feel better on it than any other display I have used, which is 
> most of them.
> It works great with the iPhone or with computers via USB.
> Some people have had issues with dots sticking, but I do not think any more 
> than other displays and the cost is so much less, and cost for repairs are so 
> much less, I'm not worried about that.
> I've had mine almost a year and had no issues.
> He is sweet what I'm thinking about
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 4:53 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried the Orbit Reader?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 12:16 AM,  
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Karl, what is involved in connecting the brailliant to iphone via 
>>> Bluetooth?  I am familiar with trying to connect braillenote apex to iphone 
>>> via Bluetooth, so any comparisons you can make between these two units 
>>> would be helpful.  
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of karl Smith
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:43 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: A question about which braille display to buy.
>>> 
>>> Hi Jan,
>>> 
>>> I'm not Richard but the Braille Edge is $2,495.00 if Hims still have any to 
>>> sell. If you are interested I have a Humanware Brailliant 40 which is my 
>>> dealer demo unit which has been lightly used for $1,100.00 including an 
>>> Executive Products leather case and shipping in the U.S.
>>> 
>>> Karl
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> __
>>> 
>>> Karl Smith
>>> Access Technology Consultant
>>> Axis
>>> 4304 South El Camino St.
>>> Taylorsville, Utah 84129
>>> 
>>> Phone: 866-824-7885
>>> Fax: 866-824-7885
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>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: A question about which braille display to buy.
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> 
>>> How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  
>>> Thanks for the info.
>>> 
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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Arnold Schmidt]

If I were going to buy one of the inexpensive braille displays, it most 
probably would be the Orbit Reader. However, I do wonder about the long-term 
future of Orbit Research. I don't know what else they manufacture besides the 
Orbit Reader and their calculator. How many of these devices can they sell 
before the market is saturated. It would be very interesting to get, as it 
were, the real story as to why American Printing House decided to stop 
distributing the Orbit Reader, in favor of what they are now wanting people to 
believe to be a better device. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

i have one and love it.
I do not mind no routing keys.
It is very basic.
Meaning, you have to convert files to BRF or BRL before putting them on the SD 
card or you will not be able to read them.
It has no translation software.
But, the dots feel better on it than any other display I have used, which is 
most of them.
It works great with the iPhone or with computers via USB.
Some people have had issues with dots sticking, but I do not think any more 
than other displays and the cost is so much less, and cost for repairs are so 
much less, I'm not worried about that.
I've had mine almost a year and had no issues.
He is sweet what I'm thinking about

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


> On Oct 6, 2019, at 4:53 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried the Orbit Reader?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 12:16 AM,  
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Karl, what is involved in connecting the brailliant to iphone via Bluetooth? 
>>  I am familiar with trying to connect braillenote apex to iphone via 
>> Bluetooth, so any comparisons you can make between these two units would be 
>> helpful.  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of karl Smith
>> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:43 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: A question about which braille display to buy.
>> 
>> Hi Jan,
>> 
>> I'm not Richard but the Braille Edge is $2,495.00 if Hims still have any to 
>> sell. If you are interested I have a Humanware Brailliant 40 which is my 
>> dealer demo unit which has been lightly used for $1,100.00 including an 
>> Executive Products leather case and shipping in the U.S.
>> 
>> Karl
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> __
>> 
>> Karl Smith
>> Access Technology Consultant
>> Axis
>> 4304 South El Camino St.
>> Taylorsville, Utah 84129
>> 
>> Phone: 866-824-7885
>> Fax: 866-824-7885
>> E-mail: k...@axistech.net
>> Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'jan howells' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 8:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A question about which braille display to buy.
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  Thanks 
>> for the info.
>> 
>> Jan
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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Richard Turner]

No.
If you want to read a file on the SD card, it has to be a braille file.
Connecting to an iPhone or computer, the grade of braille is determined by your 
device's screen reader.
I have my iPhone set to use UEB contracted, so that is what I get on the 
display, any display.
I just wanted to make sure people know that if they put a word document on the 
SD card, it won't work.
But, as a bluetooth display, again the braille is controlled by the screen 
reader.
HTH,


Richard

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On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:30 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:

 Richard,

Do you mean it is unable to read in grade 2 even when connected to the iPhone? 
And can you only use it via USB with a computer? It's inexpensive but that 
alone makes it not as useable to me. I know that there is at least one other 
inexpensive Braille display like that around.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

i have one and love it.
I do not mind no routing keys.
It is very basic.
Meaning, you have to convert files to BRF or BRL before putting them on the SD 
card or you will not be able to read them.
It has no translation software.
But, the dots feel better on it than any other display I have used, which is 
most of them.
It works great with the iPhone or with computers via USB.
Some people have had issues with dots sticking, but I do not think any more 
than other displays and the cost is so much less, and cost for repairs are so 
much less, I'm not worried about that.
I've had mine almost a year and had no issues.
He is sweet what I'm thinking about

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Oct 6, 2019, at 4:53 AM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Has anyone tried the Orbit Reader?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 6, 2019, at 12:16 AM, 
mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> 
mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Karl, what is involved in connecting the brailliant to iphone via Bluetooth?  I 
am familiar with trying to connect braillenote apex to iphone via Bluetooth, so 
any comparisons you can make between these two units would be helpful.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of karl Smith
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: A question about which braille display to buy.

Hi Jan,

I'm not Richard but the Braille Edge is $2,495.00 if Hims still have any to 
sell. If you are interested I have a Humanware Brailliant 40 which is my dealer 
demo unit which has been lightly used for $1,100.00 including an Executive 
Products leather case and shipping in the U.S.

Karl



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Fax: 866-824-7885
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Hi Richard,

How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  Thanks 
for the info.

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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Holly Anderson]

Hi, no iPhone does grade 2, the iPhone does the translation when connected to 
it. I have an orbit as well, and love it.
Holly

> On Oct 6, 2019, at 8:30 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> Richard,
> 
> Do you mean it is unable to read in grade 2 even when connected to the 
> iPhone? And can you only use it via USB with a computer? It's inexpensive but 
> that alone makes it not as useable to me. I know that there is at least one 
> other inexpensive Braille display like that around.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner  <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
>> i have one and love it.
>> I do not mind no routing keys.
>> It is very basic.
>> Meaning, you have to convert files to BRF or BRL before putting them on the 
>> SD card or you will not be able to read them.
>> It has no translation software.
>> But, the dots feel better on it than any other display I have used, which is 
>> most of them.
>> It works great with the iPhone or with computers via USB.
>> Some people have had issues with dots sticking, but I do not think any more 
>> than other displays and the cost is so much less, and cost for repairs are 
>> so much less, I'm not worried about that.
>> I've had mine almost a year and had no issues.
>> He is sweet what I'm thinking about
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 4:53 AM, kelby carlson >> <mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone tried the Orbit Reader?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 12:16 AM, >>> <mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> >>> <mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Karl, what is involved in connecting the brailliant to iphone via 
>>>> Bluetooth?  I am familiar with trying to connect braillenote apex to 
>>>> iphone via Bluetooth, so any comparisons you can make between these two 
>>>> units would be helpful.  
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On 
>>>> Behalf Of karl Smith
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:43 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: A question about which braille display to buy.
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jan,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not Richard but the Braille Edge is $2,495.00 if Hims still have any 
>>>> to sell. If you are interested I have a Humanware Brailliant 40 which is 
>>>> my dealer demo unit which has been lightly used for $1,100.00 including an 
>>>> Executive Products leather case and shipping in the U.S.
>>>> 
>>>> Karl
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> __
>>>> 
>>>> Karl Smith
>>>> Access Technology Consultant
>>>> Axis
>>>> 4304 South El Camino St.
>>>> Taylorsville, Utah 84129
>>>> 
>>>> Phone: 866-824-7885
>>>> Fax: 866-824-7885
>>>> E-mail: k...@axistech.net <mailto:k...@axistech.net>
>>>> Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com <mailto:karl.axist...@gmail.com>
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  
>>>> Tha

Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[kelby carlson]

Richard,

Do you mean it is unable to read in grade 2 even when connected to the iPhone? 
And can you only use it via USB with a computer? It's inexpensive but that 
alone makes it not as useable to me. I know that there is at least one other 
inexpensive Braille display like that around.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> i have one and love it.
> I do not mind no routing keys.
> It is very basic.
> Meaning, you have to convert files to BRF or BRL before putting them on the 
> SD card or you will not be able to read them.
> It has no translation software.
> But, the dots feel better on it than any other display I have used, which is 
> most of them.
> It works great with the iPhone or with computers via USB.
> Some people have had issues with dots sticking, but I do not think any more 
> than other displays and the cost is so much less, and cost for repairs are so 
> much less, I'm not worried about that.
> I've had mine almost a year and had no issues.
> He is sweet what I'm thinking about
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 4:53 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried the Orbit Reader?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 12:16 AM,  
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Karl, what is involved in connecting the brailliant to iphone via 
>>> Bluetooth?  I am familiar with trying to connect braillenote apex to iphone 
>>> via Bluetooth, so any comparisons you can make between these two units 
>>> would be helpful.  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of karl Smith
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:43 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: A question about which braille display to buy.
>>> 
>>> Hi Jan,
>>> 
>>> I'm not Richard but the Braille Edge is $2,495.00 if Hims still have any to 
>>> sell. If you are interested I have a Humanware Brailliant 40 which is my 
>>> dealer demo unit which has been lightly used for $1,100.00 including an 
>>> Executive Products leather case and shipping in the U.S.
>>> 
>>> Karl
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> __
>>> 
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>>> Axis
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>>> Taylorsville, Utah 84129
>>> 
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>>> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 8:16 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: A question about which braille display to buy.
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> 
>>> How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  
>>> Thanks for the info.
>>> 
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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Richard Turner]

i have one and love it.
I do not mind no routing keys.
It is very basic.
Meaning, you have to convert files to BRF or BRL before putting them on the SD 
card or you will not be able to read them.
It has no translation software.
But, the dots feel better on it than any other display I have used, which is 
most of them.
It works great with the iPhone or with computers via USB.
Some people have had issues with dots sticking, but I do not think any more 
than other displays and the cost is so much less, and cost for repairs are so 
much less, I'm not worried about that.
I've had mine almost a year and had no issues.
He is sweet what I'm thinking about

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Oct 6, 2019, at 4:53 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:

Has anyone tried the Orbit Reader?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 6, 2019, at 12:16 AM,   
wrote:

Karl, what is involved in connecting the brailliant to iphone via Bluetooth?  I 
am familiar with trying to connect braillenote apex to iphone via Bluetooth, so 
any comparisons you can make between these two units would be helpful.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
karl Smith
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A question about which braille display to buy.

Hi Jan,

I'm not Richard but the Braille Edge is $2,495.00 if Hims still have any to 
sell. If you are interested I have a Humanware Brailliant 40 which is my dealer 
demo unit which has been lightly used for $1,100.00 including an Executive 
Products leather case and shipping in the U.S.

Karl



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-Original Message-
From: 'jan howells' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 8:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

Hi Richard,

How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  Thanks 
for the info.

Jan

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RE: A question about which braille display to buy.

['jan howells' via VIPhone]

Hi Karl,

Thank you very much for the offer.  I always wanted one of those, 
but I could never afford one.  I will most likely eventually look 
for the BrailleMe which has the cursor routing buttons.  I am 
just waiting to make sure that they get all of the bugs out and 
for updates that are requested.  I do have a U2 Mini, which I 
absolutely love.  It is nice and quiet, and nice and small.  I 
just need an Executive Products case for it.  I love those cases.  
I also have a BrailleNote Apex.  It ii from 2006.  The display is 
wonderful, but it is slow and acts up a bot.  Every time I unplug 
it, I have to reboot it, because it freezes.  Every time that I 
plug it in, I also have to reboot it, because it freezes.  Thank 
you anyway.  Have a nice day.


Jan

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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[kelby carlson]

Has anyone tried the Orbit Reader?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2019, at 12:16 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Karl, what is involved in connecting the brailliant to iphone via Bluetooth?  
> I am familiar with trying to connect braillenote apex to iphone via 
> Bluetooth, so any comparisons you can make between these two units would be 
> helpful.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> karl Smith
> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A question about which braille display to buy.
> 
> Hi Jan,
> 
> I'm not Richard but the Braille Edge is $2,495.00 if Hims still have any to 
> sell. If you are interested I have a Humanware Brailliant 40 which is my 
> dealer demo unit which has been lightly used for $1,100.00 including an 
> Executive Products leather case and shipping in the U.S.
> 
> Karl
> 
> 
> 
> __
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> Access Technology Consultant
> Axis
> 4304 South El Camino St.
> Taylorsville, Utah 84129
> 
> Phone: 866-824-7885
> Fax: 866-824-7885
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> -Original Message-----
> From: 'jan howells' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 8:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A question about which braille display to buy.
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  Thanks 
> for the info.
> 
> Jan
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RE: A question about which braille display to buy.

[khevener]

Karl, what is involved in connecting the brailliant to iphone via Bluetooth?  I 
am familiar with trying to connect braillenote apex to iphone via Bluetooth, so 
any comparisons you can make between these two units would be helpful.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
karl Smith
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A question about which braille display to buy.

Hi Jan,

I'm not Richard but the Braille Edge is $2,495.00 if Hims still have any to 
sell. If you are interested I have a Humanware Brailliant 40 which is my dealer 
demo unit which has been lightly used for $1,100.00 including an Executive 
Products leather case and shipping in the U.S.

Karl



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-Original Message-
From: 'jan howells' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 8:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

Hi Richard,

How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  Thanks 
for the info.

Jan

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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Richard Turner]

I do not think they sell it. And unless you find that they have a used one that 
they have checked out, I wouldn't buy a used unit, but they are just a couple 
hundred less than the QBraille.
The QBraille is supposed to have a firmware update that may make it better.
The vendor my office deals with told me yesterday that he should be able to 
loan us one for a few days before the end of the year.


Richard

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On Oct 5, 2019, at 7:16 PM, 'jan howells' via VIPhone 
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Hi Richard,

How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  Thanks 
for the info.

Jan

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RE: A question about which braille display to buy.

[karl Smith]

Hi Jan,

I'm not Richard but the Braille Edge is $2,495.00 if Hims still have any to 
sell. If you are interested I have a Humanware Brailliant 40 which is my dealer 
demo unit which has been lightly used for $1,100.00 including an Executive 
Products leather case and shipping in the U.S.

Karl



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-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 8:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

Hi Richard,

How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just wondering.  Thanks 
for the info.

Jan

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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

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Hi Richard,

How much is the Braille Edge? Do they still sell it? Just 
wondering.  Thanks for the info.


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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Richard Turner]

The QBraille is written as one word, no hyphen, unless you use the grade one 
indicator.
It is made by HIMS, and is around $3000.
As much as I like the Braille Edge, which was the one before the QBraille; I do 
not like the QBraille because the way they have you try to switch between 
bluetooth devices is quite unreliable.
For a tiny bit less, I'd go with the Focus 40 5th Generation, even though its 
Scratch Pad is probably less of a notepad than the QBraille′
Its easier to switch bluetooth devices.
That's my 2¢ worth.


Richard

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On Oct 5, 2019, at 6:38 PM, 'jan howells' via VIPhone 
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How much is a Quite-Braille? Who makes it?

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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

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How much is a Quite-Braille? Who makes it?

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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Maria Reyes]

> hi. there is a brailleMe list on groups.io you can subscribe to.
> 
> want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I will 
> happily add you.
> maria2...@gmail.com
> 
> On Oct 5, 2019, at 8:31 PM, audrey joy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Annie,
> 
> I'm Audrey Joy in NYC.
> Our regional library has a few BrailleMe's. I borrowed one to play with. 
> 
> It has cursor-routing keys, and it pairs with the Ios, Voiceover for Mac, 
> NVDA (not Jaws) and it has an SAID card where you can store files and 
> folders/notetaker.
> 
> I didn't like using it; it's noisy when it refreshes and the keyboard is 
> uncomfortable to use.
> 
> I recommend it for a person who hasn't been spoiled by anything else.
> 
> I use the HIMS BrailleSense U2 and the U2 Mini. My Focus40 died.
> 
> I will be purchasing a QBraille very shortly.
> 
> You may contact me at
> audjoymu...@gmail.com
> for more details.
> 
> Audrey
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Annie Skov Nielsen  
> To: 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone  
> Date: Friday, September 27, 2019 6:48 pm
> Subject: Re: A question about which braille display to buy.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> I see mixed experiences with QBraille, I hope I can get my hands on one to 
> test it.
> 
> Why is it not possible to buy a great 20 or 24 cells display that really work?
> 
> Has anyone any experience with brailleMe. I know it is cheap, and not the 
> quality we are used to, but it is 20 cells. Does it pair and work with the 
> phone.
> 
> Best Annie.
> 
> Den 27. sep. 2019 kl. 03.17 skrev Richard Turner 
> :
> 
> From what I've seen of the Focus 40 5th Generation, it looks like a really 
> good display.
> It is very well made, much better than the previous versions.
> On the other hand, the Qbraille has great potential with all the Windows 
> Keys, but my experience with it is not great.
> If they have improved its connections to bluetooth in the last 3 or 4 months, 
> it could be very good.
> But as of May, it was not good at all via bluetooth.
> Using the USB connection with the computer and Jaws, it was very good.
> If you use Jaws, the Focus should just work.
> The QBraille will need a driver.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
> "Hi all.
> 
> I need a new braille display.
> 
> It is really not easy what are people suggesting.
> 
> I need the display for my phone, but also for my computer.
> 
> I am considering a focus 40 a QBraille or something smaller.
> 
> What would you suggest. 14 cells are very small to me but 40 cells display 
> are very long.
> 
> I have also thought about a braille note touch Plus.
> 
> Orbit reader has no cursor routing buttons and that would be a problem for me.
> 
> Best Annie.
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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[audrey joy]

Hi Annie,

I'm Audrey Joy in NYC.
Our regional library has a few BrailleMe's. I borrowed one to play with. 

It has cursor-routing keys, and it pairs with the Ios, Voiceover for Mac, NVDA 
(not Jaws) and it has an SAID card where you can store files and 
folders/notetaker.

I didn't like using it; it's noisy when it refreshes and the keyboard is 
uncomfortable to use.

I recommend it for a person who hasn't been spoiled by anything else.

I use the HIMS BrailleSense U2 and the U2 Mini. My Focus40 died.

I will be purchasing a QBraille very shortly.

You may contact me at
audjoymu...@gmail.com
for more details.

Audrey

- Original Message -
From: Annie Skov Nielsen  
To: 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone  
Date: Friday, September 27, 2019 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

>
>
> Hi.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> I see mixed experiences with QBraille, I hope I can get my hands on one to 
> test it.
> 
> Why is it not possible to buy a great 20 or 24 cells display that really work?
> 
> Has anyone any experience with brailleMe. I know it is cheap, and not the 
> quality we are used to, but it is 20 cells. Does it pair and work with the 
> phone.
> 
> Best Annie.
> 
> > Den 27. sep. 2019 kl. 03.17 skrev Richard Turner 
> > :
> > 
> > From what I've seen of the Focus 40 5th Generation, it looks like a really 
> > good display.
> > It is very well made, much better than the previous versions.
> > On the other hand, the Qbraille has great potential with all the Windows 
> > Keys, but my experience with it is not great.
> > If they have improved its connections to bluetooth in the last 3 or 4 
> > months, it could be very good.
> > But as of May, it was not good at all via bluetooth.
> > Using the USB connection with the computer and Jaws, it was very good.
> > If you use Jaws, the Focus should just work.
> > The QBraille will need a driver.
> > 
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> "Hi all.
> >> 
> >> I need a new braille display.
> >> 
> >> It is really not easy what are people suggesting.
> >> 
> >> I need the display for my phone, but also for my computer.
> >> 
> >> I am considering a focus 40 a QBraille or something smaller.
> >> 
> >> What would you suggest. 14 cells are very small to me but 40 cells display 
> >> are very long.
> >> 
> >> I have also thought about a braille note touch Plus.
> >> 
> >> Orbit reader has no cursor routing buttons and that would be a problem for 
> >> me.
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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi.

Thank you very much.

I see mixed experiences with QBraille, I hope I can get my hands on one to test 
it.

Why is it not possible to buy a great 20 or 24 cells display that really work?

Has anyone any experience with brailleMe. I know it is cheap, and not the 
quality we are used to, but it is 20 cells. Does it pair and work with the 
phone.

Best Annie.

> Den 27. sep. 2019 kl. 03.17 skrev Richard Turner 
> :
> 
> From what I've seen of the Focus 40 5th Generation, it looks like a really 
> good display.
> It is very well made, much better than the previous versions.
> On the other hand, the Qbraille has great potential with all the Windows 
> Keys, but my experience with it is not great.
> If they have improved its connections to bluetooth in the last 3 or 4 months, 
> it could be very good.
> But as of May, it was not good at all via bluetooth.
> Using the USB connection with the computer and Jaws, it was very good.
> If you use Jaws, the Focus should just work.
> The QBraille will need a driver.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I need a new braille display.
>> 
>> It is really not easy what are people suggesting.
>> 
>> I need the display for my phone, but also for my computer.
>> 
>> I am considering a focus 40 a QBraille or something smaller.
>> 
>> What would you suggest. 14 cells are very small to me but 40 cells display 
>> are very long.
>> 
>> I have also thought about a braille note touch Plus.
>> 
>> Orbit reader has no cursor routing buttons and that would be a problem for 
>> me.
>> 
>> Best Annie.
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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Richard Turner]

>From what I've seen of the Focus 40 5th Generation, it looks like a really 
>good display.
It is very well made, much better than the previous versions.
On the other hand, the Qbraille has great potential with all the Windows Keys, 
but my experience with it is not great.
If they have improved its connections to bluetooth in the last 3 or 4 months, 
it could be very good.
But as of May, it was not good at all via bluetooth.
Using the USB connection with the computer and Jaws, it was very good.
If you use Jaws, the Focus should just work.
The QBraille will need a driver.


Richard

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On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
wrote:

Hi all.

I need a new braille display.

It is really not easy what are people suggesting.

I need the display for my phone, but also for my computer.

I am considering a focus 40 a QBraille or something smaller.

What would you suggest. 14 cells are very small to me but 40 cells display are 
very long.

I have also thought about a braille note touch Plus.

Orbit reader has no cursor routing buttons and that would be a problem for me.

Best Annie.

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Re: A question about which braille display to buy.

[Eden]

Hi Annie,
I would recommend a qbraille. I found the Focus unpaired rather frequently from 
my iphone. I've had the qbraille for almost a year and x it pairsseamlessly and 
even if it loses connection, it connects back without help from you. It also 
works well with the computer and there's not bizarre quirky commands to 
remember. The keys also feel more solid. Focus keys feel like they are caving 
in. The commands on the qbraille use the same ones as a qwerty keyboard, and 
it's easy to know where the right buttons are because they are like a qwerty 
fitted  around the braille keyboard.  

On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
wrote:

Hi all.

I need a new braille display.

It is really not easy what are people suggesting.

I need the display for my phone, but also for my computer.

I am considering a focus 40 a QBraille or something smaller.

What would you suggest. 14 cells are very small to me but 40 cells display are 
very long.

I have also thought about a braille note touch Plus.

Orbit reader has no cursor routing buttons and that would be a problem for me.

Best Annie.

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