Re: DRM removal
if this is true, I was not aware. I was only referring to books that one had already bought or were free not pirating. Eden On 3/4/2015 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: DRM removal
Very interesting. Richard, I not necessarily pointing a finger at you here. Others have chimed in on this list, but I do need to say the following. First you point out that it is illegal, and in the next breath, you say that you have tried to do it. Plus, you are now trying, through your email to this list to help other people do things that are not legal. If you don't like the law, then fight to have it changed. But I very much dislike people assuming that just because they are blind, they have some inalienable right to circumvent the law and read what they jolly well please, even if it is illegal. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:13 AM To: ViPone list Subject: DRM removal It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. attachment: winmail.dat
RE: DRM removal
If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you
Re: DRM removal
Although I am not an attorney, my understanding is that if a person is visually impaired and they are unprotecting a book for their own use this is perfectly legal. On 3/4/15, eden eden...@comcast.net wrote: if this is true, I was not aware. I was only referring to books that one had already bought or were free not pirating. Eden On 3/4/2015 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list
Re: DRM removal
i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: DRM removal
The fair use provision in the copyright act makes it unclear as to whether breaking DRM for your own personal use violates the DMCA. Here's one of many articles talking about this issue http://gizmodo.com/5596571/federal-judge-ok-to-break-drm-for-fair-use There has been an exception made to the DMCA stating that breaking DRM to make an accessible copy for personal use is in agreement with the fair use provision of the copyright act, but the extention of this exception from year to year is not a given. Here's more on this issue http://www.afb.org/info/programs-and-services/public-policy-center/technology-and-information-accessibility/afbs-comments-on-rulemaking-exemption-to-prohibition-on-circumvention-of-copyright-protection/1235 My only point being that whether this is legal or not isn't black and white. On 03/04/2015 06:01 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote: This is true. Because often removing DRM is the only time someone can gain access accessibly to content. Best, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal Although I am not an attorney, my understanding is that if a person is visually impaired and they are unprotecting a book for their own use this is perfectly legal. On 3/4/15, eden eden...@comcast.net wrote: if this is true, I was not aware. I was only referring to books that one had already bought or were free not pirating. Eden On 3/4/2015 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1
RE: DRM removal
This is true. Because often removing DRM is the only time someone can gain access accessibly to content. Best, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal Although I am not an attorney, my understanding is that if a person is visually impaired and they are unprotecting a book for their own use this is perfectly legal. On 3/4/15, eden eden...@comcast.net wrote: if this is true, I was not aware. I was only referring to books that one had already bought or were free not pirating. Eden On 3/4/2015 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
Re: DRM removal
thanks for this, I really do appreciate it and I do not want to do anything illegal. On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: The fair use provision in the copyright act makes it unclear as to whether breaking DRM for your own personal use violates the DMCA. Here's one of many articles talking about this issue http://gizmodo.com/5596571/federal-judge-ok-to-break-drm-for-fair-use There has been an exception made to the DMCA stating that breaking DRM to make an accessible copy for personal use is in agreement with the fair use provision of the copyright act, but the extention of this exception from year to year is not a given. Here's more on this issue http://www.afb.org/info/programs-and-services/public-policy-center/technology-and-information-accessibility/afbs-comments-on-rulemaking-exemption-to-prohibition-on-circumvention-of-copyright-protection/1235 My only point being that whether this is legal or not isn't black and white. On 03/04/2015 06:01 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote: This is true. Because often removing DRM is the only time someone can gain access accessibly to content. Best, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal Although I am not an attorney, my understanding is that if a person is visually impaired and they are unprotecting a book for their own use this is perfectly legal. On 3/4/15, eden eden...@comcast.net wrote: if this is true, I was not aware. I was only referring to books that one had already bought or were free not pirating. Eden On 3/4/2015 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like
Re: DRM removal
Assuming this is a serious question, section 1201(a)of the DMCA provides that “no person shall circumvent a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work” protected by copyright, ... You can read more at http://copyrightcodex.com/exclusive-rights-toc/15-digital-rights-management/ On 03/04/2015 06:22 PM, Kerri G wrote: How on earth is removing drama in order to play it on your own devices illegal anyway? On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Very interesting. Richard, I not necessarily pointing a finger at you here. Others have chimed in on this list, but I do need to say the following. First you point out that it is illegal, and in the next breath, you say that you have tried to do it. Plus, you are now trying, through your email to this list to help other people do things that are not legal. If you don't like the law, then fight to have it changed. But I very much dislike people assuming that just because they are blind, they have some inalienable right to circumvent the law and read what they jolly well please, even if it is illegal. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:13 AM To: ViPone list Subject: DRM removal It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. winmail.dat -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain
Re: DRM removal
How on earth is removing drama in order to play it on your own devices illegal anyway? On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Very interesting. Richard, I not necessarily pointing a finger at you here. Others have chimed in on this list, but I do need to say the following. First you point out that it is illegal, and in the next breath, you say that you have tried to do it. Plus, you are now trying, through your email to this list to help other people do things that are not legal. If you don't like the law, then fight to have it changed. But I very much dislike people assuming that just because they are blind, they have some inalienable right to circumvent the law and read what they jolly well please, even if it is illegal. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:13 AM To: ViPone list Subject: DRM removal It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. winmail.dat -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's
Re: DRM removal is off topic - Was Re: Kindle books
Sorry, that came out wrong. It is not advisable to discuss this on list and so we ask that DRM removal information be terminated on list. -- Raul A. Gallegos He's so optimistic he'd buy a burial suit with two pairs of pants. - Chuck Tanner. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 7/21/2012 8:51 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, not it isn't advisable to discuss DRM removal on this list. Thanks. -- Raul A. Gallegos - VIPhone Moderator I'm such a klutz! I just tripped over my cordless phone. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 7/21/2012 8:04 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi Chuck. You will still have to remove the drm. Is it legal to discuss on this list how to do that? Best regards Annie. Den Jul 21, 2012 kl. 3:03 AM skrev Chuck Dean: In the past, it was necessary to strip the DRM from Kindle Books before they could be converted. Has this changed? Chuck BTW Stanza will convert books and is to my understanding, Jaws friendly. Here's a link: http://stanza-desktop.en.softonic.com/ On Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:37:47 PM UTC-7, Peter Logan wrote: I know that currently the kindle app isn't accessible. However, can one get a Kindle book and convert it to something which is accessible on the I Phone. I have a couple of books needing to be read for an assignment, and the Kindle edition is about 1/2 the price of the I Books edition .. Thanks for any help. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
