RE: Netatmo Indoor/Outdoor Weather Station - update; this is a must-read
will be able to run on your iPhone or iPad previews of our application before they are actually released on the App Store. This could allow us to have your feedback on the voiceover implementation before we make the formal submission of the app on the Apple Store. To allow multiple devices to run our preview applications, the “testflighapp” procedure shall be run individually on each test device (for instance, on an iPhone and on an iPad). If you have time for this we would appreciate to have your feedback on our first implementations as they arrive in the next few weeks. Thanks a lot for your patience. I’ll come back to you as soon as possible with a feedback on the Wifi setting issue once we have reproduced it here… fred 10 minutes later I received a separate message from Carlos, one of their software engineers, with instructions on how to setup a TestFlight account so I can become a Beta Tester. Needless to say, I am very happy about the level of support I am getting and Netatmo’s willingness to make Voiceover improvements. This stands in stark contrast with Neil’s recent post about Sonos who has been asked for years by Neil, myself and a few other users to make a few minor improvements to their app like labeling some buttons and who can’t be bothered despite promises and the fact that in other ways they seem to be a good company with a definitely excellent product. The Netatmo weather station consists of an indoor module and an outdoor module. The indoor module is what connects to the WiFi and the outdoor module connects to the indoor module by I think 2.4 Ghz radio frequency which means it can be placed a considerable distance away. It should be kept out of the rain and direct sunlight and I was already told that Netatmo is working on coming up with an anemometer (a sensor that measures windspeed) and a gauge for measuring rainfall amounts. All Netatmo stations report their data back to Netatmo as well and it is their goal to create a super network of everybody’s Netatmo weather station so that anybody can see the data from stations that maybe near them because especially in very large cities micro climates often form and an official government station 5 miles away may not report conditions correctly. Both units are made from aluminum and are in the shape of a tube approx. 2 inches thick, the indoor module is maybe 6 inches long, the outdoor module maybe 4 inches. The outdoor unit is run by 4 Triple A batteries and the indoor unit can be plugged into an outlet with a micro USB cable and a USB wall adapter (both included). It can use 4 Double A batteries as backup in the case of a power outage. I should mention that apart from indoor and outdoor temperature and humidity the weather station also measures CO2 levels in your house as well as noise levels both indoors and outdoors and you can set up alerts for various events like when certain temperatures are reached, the CO2 level is too high etc. The Netatmo weather station can be ordered on their website for $179 and more information is available at www.Netatmo.com. For other Canadians who maybe interested, shipping to me here in British Columbia was $19 and I paid $31 to Canada Post when it arrived, approx. $22 was HST and $8 or 9 for the brokerage). This makes it a moderately expensive gadget, but if you enjoy having access to accurate weather information inside and directly outside your house this should work well and will probably work even better in 4 to 6 weeks when the promised Voiceover improvements hopefully become reality. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jørgen Skov Nielsen Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Netatmo Indoor/Outdoor Weather Station Hello Sieghard I have also bought a netatmo weather station. I have no sighted help, but Using the OCR feature in the jaws and several hours of attempts, I got Netatmo weather station set up. After that i can use my netatmo weatherstation on my Iphone, I can read out the humidity and temperature, as well as other measurements such as weather station measures, but the interface is a little cluttered on the iPhone with VoiceOver. It is not possible to read the graph with the highest and lowest temperature. Best regards Jørgen Nov 11, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, A couple of weeks ago I briefly mentioned that I found a weather station which is designed to work with the iPhone. The company is called Netatmo and their website is http://www.Netatmo.com www.Netatmo.com for those who want to read more about it. The basic idea is that you get a wireless weather station which consists of 2 sensors, one for indoors and one for outdoors. The outdoor sensor connects to the indoor unit and the indoor unit connects to your WiFi. You then use the free Netatmo app to access the information
Re: Netatmo Indoor/Outdoor Weather Station
Hello Sieghard I have also bought a netatmo wether station. I have no sighted help, but Using the OCR feature in the jaws and several hours of attempts, I got Netatmo weather station set up. After that i can use my netatmo weatherstation on my Iphone, I can read out the humidity and temperatur, as well as other measurements such as weather station measures, but the interface is a little cluttered on the iPhone with VoiceOver. It is not possible to read the graph with the highest and lowest temperature. Best regards Jørgen Nov 11, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, A couple of weeks ago I briefly mentioned that I found a weather station which is designed to work with the iPhone. The company is called Netatmo and their website is www.Netatmo.com for those who want to read more about it. The basic idea is that you get a wireless weather station which consists of 2 sensors, one for indoors and one for outdoors. The outdoor sensor connects to the indoor unit and the indoor unit connects to your WiFi. You then use the free Netatmo app to access the information provided by the sensors which includes outdoor temperature and humidity, indoor temperature, humidity and carbon monoxide levels as well as indoor and outdoor noise levels which is a bit unusual for weather stations, but I guess it could be interesting if you live in a big city and are curious as to how much noise there really is. Currently the station does not measure windspeed and precipitation, but I was told that they are working on that and I assume this may be added later in the form of additional sensors you can buy. The 2 sensor units consist of a perfectly round tube which is made from aluminum, both are exactly the same diameter (about 2 inches), the outdoor unit is maybe 4 inches long and the indoor unit is maybe 6 inches long. Each unit has a plastic lid on one end with a large slot you can use ith a coin and this is where you put the batteries (it’s almost identical to the battery cover on the Apple Wireless Keyboard except that it’s a lot bigger. The outdoor unit takes 4 Triple A batteries (included), the indoor unit takes 4 Double A batteries (not included). Normally it is recommended that the indoor unit is plugged into a power outlet, it has a micro USB port and comes with a standard USB cable and a wall adapter, batteries are optional and meant for backup in case of a power failure. In addition to the Micro USB port the indoor unit also has a USB port like that on a computer which allows you to plug in the iPhone cable. Initial setup is done either by plugging your iPhone directly into the unit while it is also plugged into a power outlet, you then open the app and can connect the unit to your home WiFi (this is just necessary once just like when you connect, for example, a WiFi Thermostat. You can also do this initial setup by connecting the unit to your computer and then use a Network Setup Wizard which you can download from the Netatmo website. OK, all of this sounds very good and straight forward. However, now comes the problem. Both the Network Wizard as well as the setup screen on the Netatmo app are entirely graphical, neither Jaws nor Voiceover reads anything whatsoever except for the title of the Window “Netatmo Setup Wizard” or something like that. I used the Convenient OCR feature in Jaws and was able to read the welcome screen which basically says Thanks for buying the weather station and there is a next button which I was able to click. Then the OCR gave me a list of available networks and I tried to click my WiFi which was there, but I did not get into the edit field where I could enter my password or maybe I did and Jaws didn’t say it because when I repeated the procedure with sighted help Jaws said nothing like “edit field” but my friend told me I could type the password. So I finally typed in my password with sighted help and was looking forward to getting this connected to see if the app would give me information Voiceover could read, but the Wizard then told me the station could not be connected to my network and to manually enter static Ip information. I tried everything I could think of and I’m not exactly a beginner when it comes to technology and networking, but no luck. I then took the unit to work and we tried to connect it to my work WiFi both using the PC wizard as well as the app always with the same result; it could not connect. I am using Apple Airport Express WiFi access points and rarely have a problem with other devices, my Radio Thermostats both at work and at home connected just fine. At this point I can only conclude that the particular unit I received has a faulty WiFi radio or that the product which has only been released very recently is the equivalent of the waste a male member of the bovine species produces. The sensors
RE: Netatmo Indoor/Outdoor Weather Station
Hi Jorgen, Thanks a lot for posting this. I must simply have a defective unit then because I have tried and tried again by myself and with sighted help and the weather station just won’t connect to my WiFi. It sees the network and as soon as I enter my password (which by the way I did make sure I type correctly) it fails to connect. I’ll see what Netatmo has to say now that the weekend is over. I noticed already in demo mode that the app seemed somewhat accessible and I appreciate you telling me about the High and Low temperatures. Have you written to them about making their app more accessible? Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jørgen Skov Nielsen Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Netatmo Indoor/Outdoor Weather Station Hello Sieghard I have also bought a netatmo wether station. I have no sighted help, but Using the OCR feature in the jaws and several hours of attempts, I got Netatmo weather station set up. After that i can use my netatmo weatherstation on my Iphone, I can read out the humidity and temperatur, as well as other measurements such as weather station measures, but the interface is a little cluttered on the iPhone with VoiceOver. It is not possible to read the graph with the highest and lowest temperature. Best regards Jørgen Nov 11, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, A couple of weeks ago I briefly mentioned that I found a weather station which is designed to work with the iPhone. The company is called Netatmo and their website is http://www.Netatmo.com www.Netatmo.com for those who want to read more about it. The basic idea is that you get a wireless weather station which consists of 2 sensors, one for indoors and one for outdoors. The outdoor sensor connects to the indoor unit and the indoor unit connects to your WiFi. You then use the free Netatmo app to access the information provided by the sensors which includes outdoor temperature and humidity, indoor temperature, humidity and carbon monoxide levels as well as indoor and outdoor noise levels which is a bit unusual for weather stations, but I guess it could be interesting if you live in a big city and are curious as to how much noise there really is. Currently the station does not measure windspeed and precipitation, but I was told that they are working on that and I assume this may be added later in the form of additional sensors you can buy. The 2 sensor units consist of a perfectly round tube which is made from aluminum, both are exactly the same diameter (about 2 inches), the outdoor unit is maybe 4 inches long and the indoor unit is maybe 6 inches long. Each unit has a plastic lid on one end with a large slot you can use ith a coin and this is where you put the batteries (it’s almost identical to the battery cover on the Apple Wireless Keyboard except that it’s a lot bigger. The outdoor unit takes 4 Triple A batteries (included), the indoor unit takes 4 Double A batteries (not included). Normally it is recommended that the indoor unit is plugged into a power outlet, it has a micro USB port and comes with a standard USB cable and a wall adapter, batteries are optional and meant for backup in case of a power failure. In addition to the Micro USB port the indoor unit also has a USB port like that on a computer which allows you to plug in the iPhone cable. Initial setup is done either by plugging your iPhone directly into the unit while it is also plugged into a power outlet, you then open the app and can connect the unit to your home WiFi (this is just necessary once just like when you connect, for example, a WiFi Thermostat. You can also do this initial setup by connecting the unit to your computer and then use a Network Setup Wizard which you can download from the Netatmo website. OK, all of this sounds very good and straight forward. However, now comes the problem. Both the Network Wizard as well as the setup screen on the Netatmo app are entirely graphical, neither Jaws nor Voiceover reads anything whatsoever except for the title of the Window “Netatmo Setup Wizard” or something like that. I used the Convenient OCR feature in Jaws and was able to read the welcome screen which basically says Thanks for buying the weather station and there is a next button which I was able to click. Then the OCR gave me a list of available networks and I tried to click my WiFi which was there, but I did not get into the edit field where I could enter my password or maybe I did and Jaws didn’t say it because when I repeated the procedure with sighted help Jaws said nothing like “edit field” but my friend told me I could type the password. So I finally typed in my password with sighted help and was looking forward to getting this connected to see if the app would give me information Voiceover could read, but the Wizard then told
Re: Netatmo Indoor/Outdoor Weather Station
Hi Cieghard. Your issue on connecting your weather station to your Apple router reminds me of one of the issues a friend of mine had a while ago: He couldn't connect any of his computers wirelessly because his router was set to use IP version 6 instead IP version 4. Some Apple routers does enable IP version 6 as default, which some devices don't support. YOu could try to make some research on that to see if it solve any issues. Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 12/11/2012 kl. 17.18 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca: Hi Jorgen, Thanks a lot for posting this. I must simply have a defective unit then because I have tried and tried again by myself and with sighted help and the weather station just won’t connect to my WiFi. It sees the network and as soon as I enter my password (which by the way I did make sure I type correctly) it fails to connect. I’ll see what Netatmo has to say now that the weekend is over. I noticed already in demo mode that the app seemed somewhat accessible and I appreciate you telling me about the High and Low temperatures. Have you written to them about making their app more accessible? Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jørgen Skov Nielsen Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Netatmo Indoor/Outdoor Weather Station Hello Sieghard I have also bought a netatmo wether station. I have no sighted help, but Using the OCR feature in the jaws and several hours of attempts, I got Netatmo weather station set up. After that i can use my netatmo weatherstation on my Iphone, I can read out the humidity and temperatur, as well as other measurements such as weather station measures, but the interface is a little cluttered on the iPhone with VoiceOver. It is not possible to read the graph with the highest and lowest temperature. Best regards Jørgen Nov 11, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, A couple of weeks ago I briefly mentioned that I found a weather station which is designed to work with the iPhone. The company is called Netatmo and their website is www.Netatmo.com for those who want to read more about it. The basic idea is that you get a wireless weather station which consists of 2 sensors, one for indoors and one for outdoors. The outdoor sensor connects to the indoor unit and the indoor unit connects to your WiFi. You then use the free Netatmo app to access the information provided by the sensors which includes outdoor temperature and humidity, indoor temperature, humidity and carbon monoxide levels as well as indoor and outdoor noise levels which is a bit unusual for weather stations, but I guess it could be interesting if you live in a big city and are curious as to how much noise there really is. Currently the station does not measure windspeed and precipitation, but I was told that they are working on that and I assume this may be added later in the form of additional sensors you can buy. The 2 sensor units consist of a perfectly round tube which is made from aluminum, both are exactly the same diameter (about 2 inches), the outdoor unit is maybe 4 inches long and the indoor unit is maybe 6 inches long. Each unit has a plastic lid on one end with a large slot you can use ith a coin and this is where you put the batteries (it’s almost identical to the battery cover on the Apple Wireless Keyboard except that it’s a lot bigger. The outdoor unit takes 4 Triple A batteries (included), the indoor unit takes 4 Double A batteries (not included). Normally it is recommended that the indoor unit is plugged into a power outlet, it has a micro USB port and comes with a standard USB cable and a wall adapter, batteries are optional and meant for backup in case of a power failure. In addition to the Micro USB port the indoor unit also has a USB port like that on a computer which allows you to plug in the iPhone cable. Initial setup is done either by plugging your iPhone directly into the unit while it is also plugged into a power outlet, you then open the app and can connect the unit to your home WiFi (this is just necessary once just like when you connect, for example, a WiFi Thermostat. You can also do this initial setup by connecting the unit to your computer and then use a Network Setup Wizard which you can download from the Netatmo website. OK, all of this sounds very good and straight forward. However, now comes the problem. Both the Network Wizard as well as the setup screen on the Netatmo app are entirely graphical, neither Jaws nor Voiceover reads anything whatsoever except for the title of the Window “Netatmo Setup Wizard” or something like that. I used the Convenient OCR feature in Jaws and was able to read
Re: Netatmo Indoor/Outdoor Weather Station
Hi. Thanks for your review. I am sorry .to hear that you have not had success with the unit thus far. I hope you will keep us posted on ans because I am sure there are quite a few members in the commu developmentd accessible weather station. Best regards, Jesper. be interested in annity who woul On 11/11/12, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, A couple of weeks ago I briefly mentioned that I found a weather station which is designed to work with the iPhone. The company is called Netatmo and their website is www.Netatmo.com for those who want to read more about it. The basic idea is that you get a wireless weather station which consists of 2 sensors, one for indoors and one for outdoors. The outdoor sensor connects to the indoor unit and the indoor unit connects to your WiFi. You then use the free Netatmo app to access the information provided by the sensors which includes outdoor temperature and humidity, indoor temperature, humidity and carbon monoxide levels as well as indoor and outdoor noise levels which is a bit unusual for weather stations, but I guess it could be interesting if you live in a big city and are curious as to how much noise there really is. Currently the station does not measure windspeed and precipitation, but I was told that they are working on that and I assume this may be added later in the form of additional sensors you can buy. The 2 sensor units consist of a perfectly round tube which is made from aluminum, both are exactly the same diameter (about 2 inches), the outdoor unit is maybe 4 inches long and the indoor unit is maybe 6 inches long. Each unit has a plastic lid on one end with a large slot you can use ith a coin and this is where you put the batteries (it's almost identical to the battery cover on the Apple Wireless Keyboard except that it's a lot bigger. The outdoor unit takes 4 Triple A batteries (included), the indoor unit takes 4 Double A batteries (not included). Normally it is recommended that the indoor unit is plugged into a power outlet, it has a micro USB port and comes with a standard USB cable and a wall adapter, batteries are optional and meant for backup in case of a power failure. In addition to the Micro USB port the indoor unit also has a USB port like that on a computer which allows you to plug in the iPhone cable. Initial setup is done either by plugging your iPhone directly into the unit while it is also plugged into a power outlet, you then open the app and can connect the unit to your home WiFi (this is just necessary once just like when you connect, for example, a WiFi Thermostat. You can also do this initial setup by connecting the unit to your computer and then use a Network Setup Wizard which you can download from the Netatmo website. OK, all of this sounds very good and straight forward. However, now comes the problem. Both the Network Wizard as well as the setup screen on the Netatmo app are entirely graphical, neither Jaws nor Voiceover reads anything whatsoever except for the title of the Window Netatmo Setup Wizard or something like that. I used the Convenient OCR feature in Jaws and was able to read the welcome screen which basically says Thanks for buying the weather station and there is a next button which I was able to click. Then the OCR gave me a list of available networks and I tried to click my WiFi which was there, but I did not get into the edit field where I could enter my password or maybe I did and Jaws didn't say it because when I repeated the procedure with sighted help Jaws said nothing like edit field but my friend told me I could type the password. So I finally typed in my password with sighted help and was looking forward to getting this connected to see if the app would give me information Voiceover could read, but the Wizard then told me the station could not be connected to my network and to manually enter static Ip information. I tried everything I could think of and I'm not exactly a beginner when it comes to technology and networking, but no luck. I then took the unit to work and we tried to connect it to my work WiFi both using the PC wizard as well as the app always with the same result; it could not connect. I am using Apple Airport Express WiFi access points and rarely have a problem with other devices, my Radio Thermostats both at work and at home connected just fine. At this point I can only conclude that the particular unit I received has a faulty WiFi radio or that the product which has only been released very recently is the equivalent of the waste a male member of the bovine species produces. The sensors actually do have the feel and look of a very well-made product and are packed beautifully, but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean much. I am quite disappointed of course because I have been searching for a weather station that talks to my iPhone for at least a year or more and was
