Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, that's true that Apple may provide lightning head phones, but I 
have like half a dozen head phones sitting on my shelf in front of me, 
and none of them will work on a phone without a head phone jack unless I 
use a dongle. If I want a better head phone then what Apple provides, or 
I need to replace it, how much extra will I have to pay to get a pair of 
head phones with an Apple approved proprietary connection? I don't think 
the claims, at least not all of them, are absurd, and I think it's great 
that you don't think it's a big deal, but I empathize with others who 
are more than a bit bothered by this approach.


On 29/06/16 20:19, Ed Worrell wrote:

The claims in this article are absurd. If Apple is going to remove the head 
phone jack, and make us use the lightning connector for audio they will include 
lightning headphones. Blue-tooth audio is only bad during phone calls, music 
comes through loud and clear. So what if you need another adapter, you need an 
adapter to use your fancy life proof cases, and some Otter Box cases. The 
lightning headphones would not need any such adapter,  neither would the 
bluetooth head phones. I have both and do not haven issues. I love my 
AfterShokz headphones. I am not sure what the big deal is…

Just my thoughts.

Ed

On Jun 26, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Mark, your link had at least one line break in the middle so didn't work.
Try this one.

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/6/21/11991302/iphone-no-headphone-jack-user-hostile-stupid


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 6:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have 
Some Dignity

Hello Everyone,

Here is an interesting article that I thought you'd like to read, the URL to
which is located at the end of the text.

NOTE:  I edited out the 1 profane word that appears in the original text so
as to bring this piece in compliance with our list policies.

Enjoy,

Mark

Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid, Have some
dignity
By Nilay Patel  on June 21, 2016

Another day, another rumor that Apple is going to ditch the headphone jack
on the next iPhone in favor of sending out audio over Lightning. Or another
phone beats Apple to the punch by ditching the headphone jack in favor of
passing out audio over USB-C. What exciting times for phones! We're so out
of ideas that actively making them shittier and more user-hostile is the
only innovation left.

ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse

Look, I know you're going to tell me that the traditional TRS headphone jack
is a billion years old and prone to failure and that life is about progress
and whatever else you need to repeat deliriously into your bed of old HTC
extUSB dongles and insane magnetic Palm adapters to sleep at night. But just
face facts: ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse, in
extremely obvious ways. Let's count them!

(Also, here is a list of reasons you might actually prefer Lightning
headphones, by my friend Vlad Savov, but let's be clear that my list is the
superior one.)

1. Digital audio means DRM audio

Oh look, I won this argument in one shot. For years the entertainment
industry has decried what they call the "analog loophole" of headphone
jacks, and now we're making their dreams come true by closing it.

Winter is coming

Restricting audio output to a purely digital connection means that music
publishers and streaming companies can start to insist on digital copyright
enforcement mechanisms. We moved our video systems to HDMI and got HDCP,
remember? Copyright enforcement technology never stops piracy and always
hurts the people who most rely on legal fair use, but you can bet the music
industry is going to start cracking down on "unauthorized" playback and
recording devices anyway. We deal with DRM when it comes to video because we
generally don't rewatch and take TV shows and movies with us, but you will
rue the day Apple decided to make the iPhone another 1mm thinner the instant
you get a "playback device not supported" message. Winter is coming.

2. Wireless headphones and speakers are fine, not great

I am surrounded by wireless speaker systems. (I work at The Verge, after
all.) And while they mostly work fine, sometimes they crackle out and fail.
It sucks to share a wireless speaker among multiple devices. Bluetooth
headphones require me to charge yet another battery. You haven't known pain
until you've chosen to use Bluetooth audio in a car instead of an aux jack.

Bluetooth: next year it'll work great.

3. Dongles are stupid, especially when they require other dongles

Shut up, you say. All of your complaints will be handled by this charming
$29 dongle that converts digital audio to a standard headphone jack!

Have some dignity

To which I will 

Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Ed Worrell]

The claims in this article are absurd. If Apple is going to remove the head 
phone jack, and make us use the lightning connector for audio they will include 
lightning headphones. Blue-tooth audio is only bad during phone calls, music 
comes through loud and clear. So what if you need another adapter, you need an 
adapter to use your fancy life proof cases, and some Otter Box cases. The 
lightning headphones would not need any such adapter,  neither would the 
bluetooth head phones. I have both and do not haven issues. I love my 
AfterShokz headphones. I am not sure what the big deal is…

Just my thoughts.

Ed 
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mark, your link had at least one line break in the middle so didn't work.  
> Try this one.
> 
> http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/6/21/11991302/iphone-no-headphone-jack-user-hostile-stupid
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 6:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
> Have Some Dignity
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Here is an interesting article that I thought you'd like to read, the URL to
> which is located at the end of the text.
> 
> NOTE:  I edited out the 1 profane word that appears in the original text so
> as to bring this piece in compliance with our list policies.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid, Have some
> dignity
> By Nilay Patel  on June 21, 2016
> 
> Another day, another rumor that Apple is going to ditch the headphone jack
> on the next iPhone in favor of sending out audio over Lightning. Or another
> phone beats Apple to the punch by ditching the headphone jack in favor of
> passing out audio over USB-C. What exciting times for phones! We're so out
> of ideas that actively making them shittier and more user-hostile is the
> only innovation left.
> 
> ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse
> 
> Look, I know you're going to tell me that the traditional TRS headphone jack
> is a billion years old and prone to failure and that life is about progress
> and whatever else you need to repeat deliriously into your bed of old HTC
> extUSB dongles and insane magnetic Palm adapters to sleep at night. But just
> face facts: ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse, in
> extremely obvious ways. Let's count them!
> 
> (Also, here is a list of reasons you might actually prefer Lightning
> headphones, by my friend Vlad Savov, but let's be clear that my list is the
> superior one.)
> 
> 1. Digital audio means DRM audio
> 
> Oh look, I won this argument in one shot. For years the entertainment
> industry has decried what they call the "analog loophole" of headphone
> jacks, and now we're making their dreams come true by closing it.
> 
> Winter is coming
> 
> Restricting audio output to a purely digital connection means that music
> publishers and streaming companies can start to insist on digital copyright
> enforcement mechanisms. We moved our video systems to HDMI and got HDCP,
> remember? Copyright enforcement technology never stops piracy and always
> hurts the people who most rely on legal fair use, but you can bet the music
> industry is going to start cracking down on "unauthorized" playback and
> recording devices anyway. We deal with DRM when it comes to video because we
> generally don't rewatch and take TV shows and movies with us, but you will
> rue the day Apple decided to make the iPhone another 1mm thinner the instant
> you get a "playback device not supported" message. Winter is coming.
> 
> 2. Wireless headphones and speakers are fine, not great
> 
> I am surrounded by wireless speaker systems. (I work at The Verge, after
> all.) And while they mostly work fine, sometimes they crackle out and fail.
> It sucks to share a wireless speaker among multiple devices. Bluetooth
> headphones require me to charge yet another battery. You haven't known pain
> until you've chosen to use Bluetooth audio in a car instead of an aux jack.
> 
> Bluetooth: next year it'll work great.
> 
> 3. Dongles are stupid, especially when they require other dongles
> 
> Shut up, you say. All of your complaints will be handled by this charming
> $29 dongle that converts digital audio to a standard headphone jack!
> 
> Have some dignity
> 
> To which I will respond: here is a photo of Dieter Bohn and his beloved
> single-port MacBook, living his fullest #donglelife during our WWDC
> liveblog:
> 
> Photo of macbook with a bunch of dongles   
> 
> Everything is going to be great when you want to use your expensive
> headphones and charge your phone at the same time. You are going to love
> everything about that situation. You are going to hold your 1mm thinner
> phone and sincerely believe that the small reduction in thickness is
> 

RE: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Richard Turner]

Mark, your link had at least one line break in the middle so didn't work.  
Try this one.

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/6/21/11991302/iphone-no-headphone-jack-user-hostile-stupid


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 6:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have 
Some Dignity

Hello Everyone,

Here is an interesting article that I thought you'd like to read, the URL to
which is located at the end of the text.

NOTE:  I edited out the 1 profane word that appears in the original text so
as to bring this piece in compliance with our list policies.

Enjoy,

Mark

Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid, Have some
dignity
By Nilay Patel  on June 21, 2016

Another day, another rumor that Apple is going to ditch the headphone jack
on the next iPhone in favor of sending out audio over Lightning. Or another
phone beats Apple to the punch by ditching the headphone jack in favor of
passing out audio over USB-C. What exciting times for phones! We're so out
of ideas that actively making them shittier and more user-hostile is the
only innovation left.

ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse

Look, I know you're going to tell me that the traditional TRS headphone jack
is a billion years old and prone to failure and that life is about progress
and whatever else you need to repeat deliriously into your bed of old HTC
extUSB dongles and insane magnetic Palm adapters to sleep at night. But just
face facts: ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse, in
extremely obvious ways. Let's count them!

(Also, here is a list of reasons you might actually prefer Lightning
headphones, by my friend Vlad Savov, but let's be clear that my list is the
superior one.)

1. Digital audio means DRM audio

Oh look, I won this argument in one shot. For years the entertainment
industry has decried what they call the "analog loophole" of headphone
jacks, and now we're making their dreams come true by closing it.

Winter is coming

Restricting audio output to a purely digital connection means that music
publishers and streaming companies can start to insist on digital copyright
enforcement mechanisms. We moved our video systems to HDMI and got HDCP,
remember? Copyright enforcement technology never stops piracy and always
hurts the people who most rely on legal fair use, but you can bet the music
industry is going to start cracking down on "unauthorized" playback and
recording devices anyway. We deal with DRM when it comes to video because we
generally don't rewatch and take TV shows and movies with us, but you will
rue the day Apple decided to make the iPhone another 1mm thinner the instant
you get a "playback device not supported" message. Winter is coming.

2. Wireless headphones and speakers are fine, not great

I am surrounded by wireless speaker systems. (I work at The Verge, after
all.) And while they mostly work fine, sometimes they crackle out and fail.
It sucks to share a wireless speaker among multiple devices. Bluetooth
headphones require me to charge yet another battery. You haven't known pain
until you've chosen to use Bluetooth audio in a car instead of an aux jack.

Bluetooth: next year it'll work great.

3. Dongles are stupid, especially when they require other dongles

Shut up, you say. All of your complaints will be handled by this charming
$29 dongle that converts digital audio to a standard headphone jack!

Have some dignity

To which I will respond: here is a photo of Dieter Bohn and his beloved
single-port MacBook, living his fullest #donglelife during our WWDC
liveblog:

Photo of macbook with a bunch of dongles   

Everything is going to be great when you want to use your expensive
headphones and charge your phone at the same time. You are going to love
everything about that situation. You are going to hold your 1mm thinner
phone and sincerely believe that the small reduction in thickness is
definitely worth carrying multiple additional dongles.

Also, they're called [redacted] dongles. Let's not do this to ourselves.
Have some dignity.

4. Ditching a deeply established standard will disproportionately impact
accessibility

The traditional headphone jack is a standard for a reason - it works. It
works so well that an entire ecosystem of other kinds of devices has built
up around it, and millions of people have access to compatible devices at
every conceivable price point. The headphone jack might be less good on some
metrics than Lightning or USB-C audio, but it is spectacularly better than
anything else in the world at being accessible, enabling, open, and
democratizing. A change that will cost every iPhone user at least $29 extra
for a dongle (or more for new headphones) is not a change designed to
benefit everyone. And you don't need to get rid of the headphone jack to
make a 

Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ok, a bit inflamitory,  but there's no escaping the truths.

R.
- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:38 AM
Subject: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have 
Some Dignity


Hello Everyone,

Here is an interesting article that I thought you'd like to read, the URL to
which is located at the end of the text.

NOTE:  I edited out the 1 profane word that appears in the original text so
as to bring this piece in compliance with our list policies.

Enjoy,

Mark

Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid, Have some
dignity
By Nilay Patel  on June 21, 2016

Another day, another rumor that Apple is going to ditch the headphone jack
on the next iPhone in favor of sending out audio over Lightning. Or another
phone beats Apple to the punch by ditching the headphone jack in favor of
passing out audio over USB-C. What exciting times for phones! We're so out
of ideas that actively making them shittier and more user-hostile is the
only innovation left.

ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse

Look, I know you're going to tell me that the traditional TRS headphone jack
is a billion years old and prone to failure and that life is about progress
and whatever else you need to repeat deliriously into your bed of old HTC
extUSB dongles and insane magnetic Palm adapters to sleep at night. But just
face facts: ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse, in
extremely obvious ways. Let's count them!

(Also, here is a list of reasons you might actually prefer Lightning
headphones, by my friend Vlad Savov, but let's be clear that my list is the
superior one.)

1. Digital audio means DRM audio

Oh look, I won this argument in one shot. For years the entertainment
industry has decried what they call the "analog loophole" of headphone
jacks, and now we're making their dreams come true by closing it.

Winter is coming

Restricting audio output to a purely digital connection means that music
publishers and streaming companies can start to insist on digital copyright
enforcement mechanisms. We moved our video systems to HDMI and got HDCP,
remember? Copyright enforcement technology never stops piracy and always
hurts the people who most rely on legal fair use, but you can bet the music
industry is going to start cracking down on "unauthorized" playback and
recording devices anyway. We deal with DRM when it comes to video because we
generally don't rewatch and take TV shows and movies with us, but you will
rue the day Apple decided to make the iPhone another 1mm thinner the instant
you get a "playback device not supported" message. Winter is coming.

2. Wireless headphones and speakers are fine, not great

I am surrounded by wireless speaker systems. (I work at The Verge, after
all.) And while they mostly work fine, sometimes they crackle out and fail.
It sucks to share a wireless speaker among multiple devices. Bluetooth
headphones require me to charge yet another battery. You haven't known pain
until you've chosen to use Bluetooth audio in a car instead of an aux jack.

Bluetooth: next year it'll work great.

3. Dongles are stupid, especially when they require other dongles

Shut up, you say. All of your complaints will be handled by this charming
$29 dongle that converts digital audio to a standard headphone jack!

Have some dignity

To which I will respond: here is a photo of Dieter Bohn and his beloved
single-port MacBook, living his fullest #donglelife during our WWDC
liveblog:

Photo of macbook with a bunch of dongles

Everything is going to be great when you want to use your expensive
headphones and charge your phone at the same time. You are going to love
everything about that situation. You are going to hold your 1mm thinner
phone and sincerely believe that the small reduction in thickness is
definitely worth carrying multiple additional dongles.

Also, they're called [redacted] dongles. Let's not do this to ourselves.
Have some dignity.

4. Ditching a deeply established standard will disproportionately impact
accessibility

The traditional headphone jack is a standard for a reason - it works. It
works so well that an entire ecosystem of other kinds of devices has built
up around it, and millions of people have access to compatible devices at
every conceivable price point. The headphone jack might be less good on some
metrics than Lightning or USB-C audio, but it is spectacularly better than
anything else in the world at being accessible, enabling, open, and
democratizing. A change that will cost every iPhone user at least $29 extra
for a dongle (or more for new headphones) is not a change designed to
benefit everyone. And you don't need to get rid of the headphone jack to
make a phone waterproof; plenty of waterproof phones have shipped with
headphone jacks already.

5. Making Android and iPhone headphones incompatible is so incredibly
arrogant and stupid there's