RE: iTunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess
I would differ with that statement. When iTunes did a major change of it’s user interface from version 11 to version 12 many features such as syncing apps or syncing files for specific apps became mostly unuseable. That is not because Jaws or whichever other screenreader can’t handle this, but it’s because of the way this is done in iTunes. In one of the lesser updates not long ago suddenly Jaws won’t read the genre, artist and album columns of the column browser any more. If it’s not because of something Apple did in iTunes then why is that if it worked perfectly fine before? If Apple used HTML5 programming and followed web accessibility guidelines for iCloud.com, the iCloud.com site would probably be perfectly accessible. Accessibility happens on several levels and really good accessibility is a result of application and web designers making it possible for screenreader designers to work with what is there. If Apple had no such framework in place for iOS apps, for example, Voiceover accessibility would not exist. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iTunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess ITunes doesn't break anything. It doesn't change itself. It's not iTunes. - Original Message - From: Cher Bosch<mailto:oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: RE: iTunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Yes! This is especially true when iTunes keeps breaking things on each new incremental update. It seems egotistical and insane for them to suggest that the screen readers should come out with a fix every month or so for what they have arbitrarily broken ☹ Cher From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 4:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess I think this is definitely an Apple Accessibility issue since while the screenreader makers like Jaws/Window Eyes, NVDA etc. also need to do their part, I think there ust is not enough cooperation between Apple and them. It’s like Microsoft and Jaws, if you listened to Jonathan’s recent Podcast where he interviewed this guy from Microsoft who said that Microsoft has done and is doing a bunch of stuff to make things better and they are providing Jaws with the framework to make the experience better. It seems to me that Apple somehow is not doing this with iTunes and this comes down to a basic commitment by Apple to make iTunes as accessible as possible on the Mac with Voiceover and on the PC with Jaws, Window Eyes and NVDA. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 10:38 AM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Sieghard, Do you suggest writing to Apple Accessibility or Apple.com/feedback? Thanks, Keith From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Larry and others, There was an iTunes update yesterday, the current version is iTunes Version 12.4.3.1. Unfortunately little seems to be fixed and certainly newer versions of iTunes 12 have taken steps backward with respect to accessibility. If you use the column browser with Genres, Artists and Albums, these list views are not read (at least not by the latest version of Jaws 17). 2 or 3 versions ago it would read them and, for some reason, say “L1” in front of whatever else it said, now it will just say List View. I am going to write to Apple accessibility since while I use iTunes less frequently in connection with my iPhone, I still may want to use it at home on my PC and of course there are some tasks like syncing Ringtones etc. one can only do with iTunes. As Brian Tong from the AppleByte Podcast always says when Apple has dropped the ball on something, I would call this a “bad Apple”. Hopefully others will join me in writing about better iTunes accessibility. There are I think around 2,000 members on this list now and even if only 1 out of 4 took the time to send a message, maybe if Apple Accessibility received 500 messages they’ll understand that this should be addressed. It would certainly be more effective than only 5 messages. And while people are at it, why not make the
Re: iTunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess
ITunes doesn't break anything. It doesn't change itself. It's not iTunes. - Original Message - From: Cher Bosch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: RE: iTunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Yes! This is especially true when iTunes keeps breaking things on each new incremental update. It seems egotistical and insane for them to suggest that the screen readers should come out with a fix every month or so for what they have arbitrarily broken L Cher From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 4:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess I think this is definitely an Apple Accessibility issue since while the screenreader makers like Jaws/Window Eyes, NVDA etc. also need to do their part, I think there ust is not enough cooperation between Apple and them. It’s like Microsoft and Jaws, if you listened to Jonathan’s recent Podcast where he interviewed this guy from Microsoft who said that Microsoft has done and is doing a bunch of stuff to make things better and they are providing Jaws with the framework to make the experience better. It seems to me that Apple somehow is not doing this with iTunes and this comes down to a basic commitment by Apple to make iTunes as accessible as possible on the Mac with Voiceover and on the PC with Jaws, Window Eyes and NVDA. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 10:38 AM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' <viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Sieghard, Do you suggest writing to Apple Accessibility or Apple.com/feedback? Thanks, Keith From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Larry and others, There was an iTunes update yesterday, the current version is iTunes Version 12.4.3.1. Unfortunately little seems to be fixed and certainly newer versions of iTunes 12 have taken steps backward with respect to accessibility. If you use the column browser with Genres, Artists and Albums, these list views are not read (at least not by the latest version of Jaws 17). 2 or 3 versions ago it would read them and, for some reason, say “L1” in front of whatever else it said, now it will just say List View. I am going to write to Apple accessibility since while I use iTunes less frequently in connection with my iPhone, I still may want to use it at home on my PC and of course there are some tasks like syncing Ringtones etc. one can only do with iTunes. As Brian Tong from the AppleByte Podcast always says when Apple has dropped the ball on something, I would call this a “bad Apple”. Hopefully others will join me in writing about better iTunes accessibility. There are I think around 2,000 members on this list now and even if only 1 out of 4 took the time to send a message, maybe if Apple Accessibility received 500 messages they’ll understand that this should be addressed. It would certainly be more effective than only 5 messages. And while people are at it, why not make the subject “Accessibility of iTunes and iCloud.com which Apple seems to think are not important to blind users”. I still don’t understand how Apple has done nothing to make the iCloud.com website accessible after so many years. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi. I thought I read that the latest ITunes was relatively fixed so I went and downloaded and installed it. Big mistake. Does anyone know how I can get back the music view which gave genras, then tab to artists and so on. Or play lists at least. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
RE: iTunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess
Yes! This is especially true when iTunes keeps breaking things on each new incremental update. It seems egotistical and insane for them to suggest that the screen readers should come out with a fix every month or so for what they have arbitrarily broken L Cher From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 4:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess I think this is definitely an Apple Accessibility issue since while the screenreader makers like Jaws/Window Eyes, NVDA etc. also need to do their part, I think there ust is not enough cooperation between Apple and them. It’s like Microsoft and Jaws, if you listened to Jonathan’s recent Podcast where he interviewed this guy from Microsoft who said that Microsoft has done and is doing a bunch of stuff to make things better and they are providing Jaws with the framework to make the experience better. It seems to me that Apple somehow is not doing this with iTunes and this comes down to a basic commitment by Apple to make iTunes as accessible as possible on the Mac with Voiceover and on the PC with Jaws, Window Eyes and NVDA. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 10:38 AM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' <viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Sieghard, Do you suggest writing to Apple Accessibility or Apple.com/feedback? Thanks, Keith From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Larry and others, There was an iTunes update yesterday, the current version is iTunes Version 12.4.3.1. Unfortunately little seems to be fixed and certainly newer versions of iTunes 12 have taken steps backward with respect to accessibility. If you use the column browser with Genres, Artists and Albums, these list views are not read (at least not by the latest version of Jaws 17). 2 or 3 versions ago it would read them and, for some reason, say “L1” in front of whatever else it said, now it will just say List View. I am going to write to Apple accessibility since while I use iTunes less frequently in connection with my iPhone, I still may want to use it at home on my PC and of course there are some tasks like syncing Ringtones etc. one can only do with iTunes. As Brian Tong from the AppleByte Podcast always says when Apple has dropped the ball on something, I would call this a “bad Apple”. Hopefully others will join me in writing about better iTunes accessibility. There are I think around 2,000 members on this list now and even if only 1 out of 4 took the time to send a message, maybe if Apple Accessibility received 500 messages they’ll understand that this should be addressed. It would certainly be more effective than only 5 messages. And while people are at it, why not make the subject “Accessibility of iTunes and iCloud.com which Apple seems to think are not important to blind users”. I still don’t understand how Apple has done nothing to make the iCloud.com website accessible after so many years. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi. I thought I read that the latest ITunes was relatively fixed so I went and downloaded and installed it. Big mistake. Does anyone know how I can get back the music view which gave genras, then tab to artists and so on. Or play lists at least. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess
I think this is definitely an Apple Accessibility issue since while the screenreader makers like Jaws/Window Eyes, NVDA etc. also need to do their part, I think there ust is not enough cooperation between Apple and them. It’s like Microsoft and Jaws, if you listened to Jonathan’s recent Podcast where he interviewed this guy from Microsoft who said that Microsoft has done and is doing a bunch of stuff to make things better and they are providing Jaws with the framework to make the experience better. It seems to me that Apple somehow is not doing this with iTunes and this comes down to a basic commitment by Apple to make iTunes as accessible as possible on the Mac with Voiceover and on the PC with Jaws, Window Eyes and NVDA. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 10:38 AM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' <viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Sieghard, Do you suggest writing to Apple Accessibility or Apple.com/feedback? Thanks, Keith From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Larry and others, There was an iTunes update yesterday, the current version is iTunes Version 12.4.3.1. Unfortunately little seems to be fixed and certainly newer versions of iTunes 12 have taken steps backward with respect to accessibility. If you use the column browser with Genres, Artists and Albums, these list views are not read (at least not by the latest version of Jaws 17). 2 or 3 versions ago it would read them and, for some reason, say “L1” in front of whatever else it said, now it will just say List View. I am going to write to Apple accessibility since while I use iTunes less frequently in connection with my iPhone, I still may want to use it at home on my PC and of course there are some tasks like syncing Ringtones etc. one can only do with iTunes. As Brian Tong from the AppleByte Podcast always says when Apple has dropped the ball on something, I would call this a “bad Apple”. Hopefully others will join me in writing about better iTunes accessibility. There are I think around 2,000 members on this list now and even if only 1 out of 4 took the time to send a message, maybe if Apple Accessibility received 500 messages they’ll understand that this should be addressed. It would certainly be more effective than only 5 messages. And while people are at it, why not make the subject “Accessibility of iTunes and iCloud.com which Apple seems to think are not important to blind users”. I still don’t understand how Apple has done nothing to make the iCloud.com website accessible after so many years. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi. I thought I read that the latest ITunes was relatively fixed so I went and downloaded and installed it. Big mistake. Does anyone know how I can get back the music view which gave genras, then tab to artists and so on. Or play lists at least. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara
RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess
I totally support the idea of a blitz of Apple to bring their attention to the iTunes and iCloud accessibility deficiencies. This is absolutely unacceptable given how much horn tooting they are publishing about having blind people involved in their accessibility efforts. Jeffrey Turner From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 12:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess I'd write to both, Apple feedback and Apple Accessibility. I'm still stunned by the response I had around this that it is up to the third party screen reader companies to make it accessible. Perhaps if enough people write, they will realize it is actually their responsibility. Richard (Sent from my iPhone 5S) On Aug 8, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. <kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu <mailto:kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu> > wrote: Hi Sieghard, Do you suggest writing to Apple Accessibility or Apple.com/feedback? <http://apple.com/feedback?> Thanks, Keith From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Larry and others, There was an iTunes update yesterday, the current version is iTunes Version 12.4.3.1. Unfortunately little seems to be fixed and certainly newer versions of iTunes 12 have taken steps backward with respect to accessibility. If you use the column browser with Genres, Artists and Albums, these list views are not read (at least not by the latest version of Jaws 17). 2 or 3 versions ago it would read them and, for some reason, say “L1” in front of whatever else it said, now it will just say List View. I am going to write to Apple accessibility since while I use iTunes less frequently in connection with my iPhone, I still may want to use it at home on my PC and of course there are some tasks like syncing Ringtones etc. one can only do with iTunes. As Brian Tong from the AppleByte Podcast always says when Apple has dropped the ball on something, I would call this a “bad Apple”. Hopefully others will join me in writing about better iTunes accessibility. There are I think around 2,000 members on this list now and even if only 1 out of 4 took the time to send a message, maybe if Apple Accessibility received 500 messages they’ll understand that this should be addressed. It would certainly be more effective than only 5 messages. And while people are at it, why not make the subject “Accessibility of iTunes and iCloud.com <http://icloud.com> which Apple seems to think are not important to blind users”. I still don’t understand how Apple has done nothing to make the iCloud.com <http://icloud.com> website accessible after so many years. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi. I thought I read that the latest ITunes was relatively fixed so I went and downloaded and installed it. Big mistake. Does anyone know how I can get back the music view which gave genras, then tab to artists and so on. Or play lists at least. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V
Re: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess
I'd write to both, Apple feedback and Apple Accessibility. I'm still stunned by the response I had around this that it is up to the third party screen reader companies to make it accessible. Perhaps if enough people write, they will realize it is actually their responsibility. Richard (Sent from my iPhone 5S) On Aug 8, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. <kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu<mailto:kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu>> wrote: Hi Sieghard, Do you suggest writing to Apple Accessibility or Apple.com/feedback?<http://apple.com/feedback?> Thanks, Keith From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Larry and others, There was an iTunes update yesterday, the current version is iTunes Version 12.4.3.1. Unfortunately little seems to be fixed and certainly newer versions of iTunes 12 have taken steps backward with respect to accessibility. If you use the column browser with Genres, Artists and Albums, these list views are not read (at least not by the latest version of Jaws 17). 2 or 3 versions ago it would read them and, for some reason, say "L1" in front of whatever else it said, now it will just say List View. I am going to write to Apple accessibility since while I use iTunes less frequently in connection with my iPhone, I still may want to use it at home on my PC and of course there are some tasks like syncing Ringtones etc. one can only do with iTunes. As Brian Tong from the AppleByte Podcast always says when Apple has dropped the ball on something, I would call this a "bad Apple". Hopefully others will join me in writing about better iTunes accessibility. There are I think around 2,000 members on this list now and even if only 1 out of 4 took the time to send a message, maybe if Apple Accessibility received 500 messages they'll understand that this should be addressed. It would certainly be more effective than only 5 messages. And while people are at it, why not make the subject "Accessibility of iTunes and iCloud.com<http://icloud.com> which Apple seems to think are not important to blind users". I still don't understand how Apple has done nothing to make the iCloud.com<http://icloud.com> website accessible after so many years. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi. I thought I read that the latest ITunes was relatively fixed so I went and downloaded and installed it. Big mistake. Does anyone know how I can get back the music view which gave genras, then tab to artists and so on. Or play lists at least. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to thi
RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess
Hi Sieghard, Do you suggest writing to Apple Accessibility or Apple.com/feedback? Thanks, Keith From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Larry and others, There was an iTunes update yesterday, the current version is iTunes Version 12.4.3.1. Unfortunately little seems to be fixed and certainly newer versions of iTunes 12 have taken steps backward with respect to accessibility. If you use the column browser with Genres, Artists and Albums, these list views are not read (at least not by the latest version of Jaws 17). 2 or 3 versions ago it would read them and, for some reason, say “L1” in front of whatever else it said, now it will just say List View. I am going to write to Apple accessibility since while I use iTunes less frequently in connection with my iPhone, I still may want to use it at home on my PC and of course there are some tasks like syncing Ringtones etc. one can only do with iTunes. As Brian Tong from the AppleByte Podcast always says when Apple has dropped the ball on something, I would call this a “bad Apple”. Hopefully others will join me in writing about better iTunes accessibility. There are I think around 2,000 members on this list now and even if only 1 out of 4 took the time to send a message, maybe if Apple Accessibility received 500 messages they’ll understand that this should be addressed. It would certainly be more effective than only 5 messages. And while people are at it, why not make the subject “Accessibility of iTunes and iCloud.com which Apple seems to think are not important to blind users”. I still don’t understand how Apple has done nothing to make the iCloud.com website accessible after so many years. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi. I thought I read that the latest ITunes was relatively fixed so I went and downloaded and installed it. Big mistake. Does anyone know how I can get back the music view which gave genras, then tab to artists and so on. Or play lists at least. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives f
RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess
Hi Larry and others, There was an iTunes update yesterday, the current version is iTunes Version 12.4.3.1. Unfortunately little seems to be fixed and certainly newer versions of iTunes 12 have taken steps backward with respect to accessibility. If you use the column browser with Genres, Artists and Albums, these list views are not read (at least not by the latest version of Jaws 17). 2 or 3 versions ago it would read them and, for some reason, say “L1” in front of whatever else it said, now it will just say List View. I am going to write to Apple accessibility since while I use iTunes less frequently in connection with my iPhone, I still may want to use it at home on my PC and of course there are some tasks like syncing Ringtones etc. one can only do with iTunes. As Brian Tong from the AppleByte Podcast always says when Apple has dropped the ball on something, I would call this a “bad Apple”. Hopefully others will join me in writing about better iTunes accessibility. There are I think around 2,000 members on this list now and even if only 1 out of 4 took the time to send a message, maybe if Apple Accessibility received 500 messages they’ll understand that this should be addressed. It would certainly be more effective than only 5 messages. And while people are at it, why not make the subject “Accessibility of iTunes and iCloud.com which Apple seems to think are not important to blind users”. I still don’t understand how Apple has done nothing to make the iCloud.com website accessible after so many years. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi. I thought I read that the latest ITunes was relatively fixed so I went and downloaded and installed it. Big mistake. Does anyone know how I can get back the music view which gave genras, then tab to artists and so on. Or play lists at least. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess
Hi. I thought I read that the latest ITunes was relatively fixed so I went and downloaded and installed it. Big mistake. Does anyone know how I can get back the music view which gave genras, then tab to artists and so on. Or play lists at least. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
