Re: [VoiceOps] Homer vs VoIPMonitor

[Marco Teixeira]

Let's just hope other commercially motivated folks on the list refrain from
sending a 300KB attachment as an excuse to slip in their product name...
please :)

=Marco



On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Richard Jobson 
wrote:

> Hello Colton,
>
>  At the risk of overwhelming you with good advice, ;) ;) Here is a
> screenshot of the relevant page from the Polycom manual – if this email
> system preserves attachments
>
> As you would expect, Palladion/COM has for many years been able to act as
> the VQ Collector and correlates those streams with the other RTP
> stream/legs captured natively by the COM probe or by RTCP
>
> Many Thanks & Best Regards,
>
> Richard
>
> From: VoiceOps  on behalf of Lorenzo
> Mangani 
> Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 9:56 AM
> To: Colton Conor 
> Cc: "voiceops@voiceops.org" 
> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Homer vs VoIPMonitor
>
> Colton,
>
> The configuration steps are quite simple and outlined here:
>
> http://documents.polycom.com/documents/voice/unified-communications-software-ucs/5-0-1/administrator-guide/set-phone-audio-features
>
> You basically only have to enable the feature and specify the collector
> for the PUBLISH or NOTIFY RFC 6035 messages the phone will start sending,
> each containing all the QoS metrics the device can generate (this changes
> across firmwares/versions) including the MOS score where available in final
> reports, painting an accurate picture of the user experience and/or
> broadband quality without additional probing or remote estimations. Our
> platforms OSS HOMER & PCAPture both support acting as RTCP-XR VQ Publish
> report collector and parser with full correlation to the originating SIP
> sessions and extracting the values for global statistics.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Lorenzo Mangani
> QXIP BV - Capture Engineering
> Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

[Calvin Ellison]

"it just rings and rings and never answers"

Can you tell if the ringback is pre-session media or post-answer? That
seems like FAS, or the conference bridge might be doing something
pre-session, like prompting for a bridge ID, and someone is masking that
pre-session media with a ringback.



Regards,

*Calvin Ellison*
Voice Services Engineer
calvin.elli...@voxox.com
+1 (213) 285-0555

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On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Evan P. Hall  wrote:

> We do offer conferencing, but these customers are needing to join large
> conferences arranged by business partners or vendors and they are not able
> to influence the service used.
>
>
>
> Here is one of the phone numbers: 712-775-7031.  I have a carrier that
> rejects it outright and 2 that it just rings and rings and never answers.
> If I call from my cell phone, it immediately answers and prompts for
> conference information.
>
>
>
> -Evan
>
>
>
> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *Carlos
> Alvarez
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2015 12:56 PM
> *To:* voiceops@voiceops.org
> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference
> services
>
>
>
> And then, please do record that phone call!
>
>
>
> If you give me a sample number to test, I'll try it on our carriers.  But
> on the other hand, why not just provide the conferencing service on your
> own service?  That's what we do; we've simply told our customers not to use
> them and give them conferencing ability as part of our services.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Alex Balashov 
> wrote:
>
> On 12/02/2015 03:49 PM, Evan P. Hall wrote:
>
> We have a few customers who need to reach free conference call
> services and none of our current carriers will route the calls.  Are
> there any providers out there that will take these calls via SIP?  We
> are happy to pay a fair price per minute if somebody will take it.
>
>
> You could take, or threaten to take, the route of reporting your upstream
> termination carriers for noncompliance with the FCC's order on the subject.
> :-)
>
>
> https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-order-combating-rural-call-completion-problems
>
> -- Alex
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Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

[Evan P. Hall]

We do offer conferencing, but these customers are needing to join large 
conferences arranged by business partners or vendors and they are not able to 
influence the service used.

Here is one of the phone numbers: 712-775-7031.  I have a carrier that rejects 
it outright and 2 that it just rings and rings and never answers.  If I call 
from my cell phone, it immediately answers and prompts for conference 
information.

-Evan

From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos 
Alvarez
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 12:56 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

And then, please do record that phone call!

If you give me a sample number to test, I'll try it on our carriers.  But on 
the other hand, why not just provide the conferencing service on your own 
service?  That's what we do; we've simply told our customers not to use them 
and give them conferencing ability as part of our services.


On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Alex Balashov 
> wrote:
On 12/02/2015 03:49 PM, Evan P. Hall wrote:
We have a few customers who need to reach free conference call
services and none of our current carriers will route the calls.  Are
there any providers out there that will take these calls via SIP?  We
are happy to pay a fair price per minute if somebody will take it.

You could take, or threaten to take, the route of reporting your upstream 
termination carriers for noncompliance with the FCC's order on the subject. :-)

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-order-combating-rural-call-completion-problems

-- Alex

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[VoiceOps] HPBX over ADSL

[Anthony Orlando via VoiceOps]

Is anyone having success deploying HPBX over DSL?  Not service providers that 
own the plant but those of you using another providers DSL.  Have you been 
successful?  If so what were the engineering guidelines you used?  What were 
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Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

[Jared Geiger]

Get in touch with Widevoice. A couple years ago we were having trouble
getting quality calls to certain conference destinations. They handle most
of the traffic to these destinations and a handful of NPANXXs. They gave us
a specific rate deck for many of these conference codes.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Carlos Alvarez  wrote:

> The call completes just fine via Onvoy.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Evan P. Hall  wrote:
>
>> We do offer conferencing, but these customers are needing to join large
>> conferences arranged by business partners or vendors and they are not able
>> to influence the service used.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is one of the phone numbers: 712-775-7031.  I have a carrier that
>> rejects it outright and 2 that it just rings and rings and never answers.
>> If I call from my cell phone, it immediately answers and prompts for
>> conference information.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Evan
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *Carlos
>> Alvarez
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2015 12:56 PM
>> *To:* voiceops@voiceops.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free
>> conference services
>>
>>
>>
>> And then, please do record that phone call!
>>
>>
>>
>> If you give me a sample number to test, I'll try it on our carriers.  But
>> on the other hand, why not just provide the conferencing service on your
>> own service?  That's what we do; we've simply told our customers not to use
>> them and give them conferencing ability as part of our services.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Alex Balashov 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/02/2015 03:49 PM, Evan P. Hall wrote:
>>
>> We have a few customers who need to reach free conference call
>> services and none of our current carriers will route the calls.  Are
>> there any providers out there that will take these calls via SIP?  We
>> are happy to pay a fair price per minute if somebody will take it.
>>
>>
>> You could take, or threaten to take, the route of reporting your upstream
>> termination carriers for noncompliance with the FCC's order on the subject.
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-order-combating-rural-call-completion-problems
>>
>> -- Alex
>>
>> --
>> Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
>> 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300
>> Atlanta, GA 30346
>> United States
>>
>> Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct)
>> Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
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Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

[Paul Timmins]

Then they should charge a rate relative to the costs of terminating it and 
route it without discrimination. Hence the point of the FCC's order.



> On Dec 2, 2015, at 20:21, Colin Brown  wrote:
> 
> that's because  712-775  is an expensive rate.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Alex Balashov  > wrote:
> ‎I would guess the PDD is upstream LCR hunting through a large amount of 
> vendors who fail to take the call before finding one that will take it.


> [lots of trimming here - PT ]



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Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

[Carlos Alvarez]

I made three calls with PDD maybe 2-3 seconds on Onvoy. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
> 
> That number seems to work for me from Flowroute.  But it *does* take an awful 
> long time to connect, like they are trying to go down through a list of 
> carriers in their LCR table and keep getting rejected, until it finally 
> manages to go through on a carrier that is a fair ways down the list...
>  
> --
> Nathan Anderson
> First Step Internet, LLC
> nath...@fsr.com
>  
> From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Evan P. 
> Hall
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 1:31 PM
> To: Carlos Alvarez
> Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference 
> services
>  
> We do offer conferencing, but these customers are needing to join large 
> conferences arranged by business partners or vendors and they are not able to 
> influence the service used.
>  
> Here is one of the phone numbers: 712-775-7031.  I have a carrier that 
> rejects it outright and 2 that it just rings and rings and never answers.  If 
> I call from my cell phone, it immediately answers and prompts for conference 
> information.
>  
> -Evan
>  
> From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos 
> Alvarez
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 12:56 PM
> To: voiceops@voiceops.org
> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference 
> services
>  
> And then, please do record that phone call!
>  
> If you give me a sample number to test, I'll try it on our carriers.  But on 
> the other hand, why not just provide the conferencing service on your own 
> service?  That's what we do; we've simply told our customers not to use them 
> and give them conferencing ability as part of our services.
>  
>  
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Alex Balashov  
> wrote:
> On 12/02/2015 03:49 PM, Evan P. Hall wrote:
> 
> We have a few customers who need to reach free conference call
> services and none of our current carriers will route the calls.  Are
> there any providers out there that will take these calls via SIP?  We
> are happy to pay a fair price per minute if somebody will take it.
> 
> You could take, or threaten to take, the route of reporting your upstream 
> termination carriers for noncompliance with the FCC's order on the subject. 
> :-)
> 
> https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-order-combating-rural-call-completion-problems
> 
> -- Alex
> 
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> Atlanta, GA 30346
> United States
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Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

[Nathan Anderson]

Right.  'swhat I said. :)

-- Nathan

-Original Message-
From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 7:14 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

‎I would guess the PDD is upstream LCR hunting through a large amount of 
vendors who fail to take the call before finding one that will take it.
‎
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303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300
Atlanta, GA 30346
United States

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Sent from my BlackBerry.
  Original Message  
From: Nathan Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 22:12
To: 'Carlos Alvarez'; voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

6 seconds here.  Though I could swear when I tried it earlier it was even 
longer than that.
 
-- Nathan
 
From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos 
Alvarez
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 7:07 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services
 
I made three calls with PDD maybe 2-3 seconds on Onvoy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Nathan Anderson  wrote:

That number seems to work for me from Flowroute.  But it *does* take an awful 
long time to connect, like they are trying to go down through a list of 
carriers in their LCR table and keep getting rejected, until it finally manages 
to go through on a carrier that is a fair ways down the list...
 
--
Nathan Anderson
First Step Internet, LLC
nath...@fsr.com
 
From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Evan P. Hall
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 1:31 PM
To: Carlos Alvarez
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services
 
We do offer conferencing, but these customers are needing to join large 
conferences arranged by business partners or vendors and they are not able to 
influence the service used.
 
Here is one of the phone numbers: 712-775-7031.  I have a carrier that rejects 
it outright and 2 that it just rings and rings and never answers.  If I call 
from my cell phone, it immediately answers and prompts for conference 
information.
 
-Evan
 
From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos 
Alvarez
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 12:56 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services
 
And then, please do record that phone call!
 
If you give me a sample number to test, I'll try it on our carriers.  But on 
the other hand, why not just provide the conferencing service on your own 
service?  That's what we do; we've simply told our customers not to use them 
and give them conferencing ability as part of our services.
 
 
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Alex Balashov  wrote:
On 12/02/2015 03:49 PM, Evan P. Hall wrote:

We have a few customers who need to reach free conference call
services and none of our current carriers will route the calls.  Are
there any providers out there that will take these calls via SIP?  We
are happy to pay a fair price per minute if somebody will take it.

You could take, or threaten to take, the route of reporting your upstream 
termination carriers for noncompliance with the FCC's order on the subject. :-)

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-order-combating-rural-call-completion-problems

-- Alex

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Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

[Alex Balashov]

‎I would guess the PDD is upstream LCR hunting through a large amount of 
vendors who fail to take the call before finding one that will take it.
‎
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Atlanta, GA 30346
United States

Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct)
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  Original Message  
From: Nathan Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 22:12
To: 'Carlos Alvarez'; voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

6 seconds here.  Though I could swear when I tried it earlier it was even 
longer than that.
 
-- Nathan
 
From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos 
Alvarez
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 7:07 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services
 
I made three calls with PDD maybe 2-3 seconds on Onvoy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Nathan Anderson  wrote:

That number seems to work for me from Flowroute.  But it *does* take an awful 
long time to connect, like they are trying to go down through a list of 
carriers in their LCR table and keep getting rejected, until it finally manages 
to go through on a carrier that is a fair ways down the list...
 
--
Nathan Anderson
First Step Internet, LLC
nath...@fsr.com
 
From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Evan P. Hall
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 1:31 PM
To: Carlos Alvarez
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services
 
We do offer conferencing, but these customers are needing to join large 
conferences arranged by business partners or vendors and they are not able to 
influence the service used.
 
Here is one of the phone numbers: 712-775-7031.  I have a carrier that rejects 
it outright and 2 that it just rings and rings and never answers.  If I call 
from my cell phone, it immediately answers and prompts for conference 
information.
 
-Evan
 
From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos 
Alvarez
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 12:56 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services
 
And then, please do record that phone call!
 
If you give me a sample number to test, I'll try it on our carriers.  But on 
the other hand, why not just provide the conferencing service on your own 
service?  That's what we do; we've simply told our customers not to use them 
and give them conferencing ability as part of our services.
 
 
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Alex Balashov  wrote:
On 12/02/2015 03:49 PM, Evan P. Hall wrote:

We have a few customers who need to reach free conference call
services and none of our current carriers will route the calls.  Are
there any providers out there that will take these calls via SIP?  We
are happy to pay a fair price per minute if somebody will take it.

You could take, or threaten to take, the route of reporting your upstream 
termination carriers for noncompliance with the FCC's order on the subject. :-)

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-order-combating-rural-call-completion-problems

-- Alex

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Atlanta, GA 30346
United States

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Re: [VoiceOps] USF and Minimum Billing

[Paul Timmins]

IANAL but that's how I read it too. USF is to be levied on interstate services 
(of which voip is automatically because internet) and a contract shortfall is 
neither federal in jurisdiction nor a telecommunications service.


> On Dec 2, 2015, at 19:23, Peter Beckman  wrote:
> 
> Hey Folks --
> 
> I've got a carrier to which I've made a minimum commitment. I didn't get
> around to getting my spend up to the commit, and when my contract renewed,
> they billed me a minimum commit fee. Understandable, and I'm fine paying
> it. I didn't get anything for it -- zero telecom-related services.
> 
> However, they also charged the USF percentage on the minimum fee.
> 
> The Language from the FCC leads me to believe that this carrier's
> assessment of the USF on minimum billing is incorrect and illegal, as that
> fee is not interstate nor international end-user revenues. For specific
> detail, FCC Form 499-Q item 115 clearly states that the USF is to be
> taxed on:
> 
> "Telecommunications provided to other universal service contributors for
> resale as telecommunications or as interconnected VoIP"
> 
> The minimum fee is not telecommunications.
> 
> Additionally Form 499-A for Line 418 states:
> 
> "Line 418. — Other revenues that should not be reported in the contribution
> bases; Non-interconnected VoIP Revenues. Line 418 should include all
> non-telecommunications service revenues on the filer’s books, as well as
> some revenues that are derived from telecommunications-related functions,
> but that should not be included in the universal service or other fund
> contribution bases. For example, information services offering a capability
> for generating, acquiring, storing, transforming, processing, retrieving,
> utilizing, or making available information via telecommunications are not
> included in the universal service or other fund contribution bases."
> 
> Anyone else experience this? Or have any background? I do not believe the
> carrier should charge me nor pay the FCC the USF on non-telecom fees.
> 
> Any Telecom lawyers out there?
> 
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Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

[Nathan Anderson]

6 seconds here.  Though I could swear when I tried it earlier it was even 
longer than that.

-- Nathan

From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos 
Alvarez
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 7:07 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

I made three calls with PDD maybe 2-3 seconds on Onvoy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Nathan Anderson 
> wrote:
That number seems to work for me from Flowroute.  But it *does* take an awful 
long time to connect, like they are trying to go down through a list of 
carriers in their LCR table and keep getting rejected, until it finally manages 
to go through on a carrier that is a fair ways down the list...

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From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Evan P. Hall
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 1:31 PM
To: Carlos Alvarez
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

We do offer conferencing, but these customers are needing to join large 
conferences arranged by business partners or vendors and they are not able to 
influence the service used.

Here is one of the phone numbers: 712-775-7031.  I have a carrier that rejects 
it outright and 2 that it just rings and rings and never answers.  If I call 
from my cell phone, it immediately answers and prompts for conference 
information.

-Evan

From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos 
Alvarez
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 12:56 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

And then, please do record that phone call!

If you give me a sample number to test, I'll try it on our carriers.  But on 
the other hand, why not just provide the conferencing service on your own 
service?  That's what we do; we've simply told our customers not to use them 
and give them conferencing ability as part of our services.


On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Alex Balashov 
> wrote:
On 12/02/2015 03:49 PM, Evan P. Hall wrote:
We have a few customers who need to reach free conference call
services and none of our current carriers will route the calls.  Are
there any providers out there that will take these calls via SIP?  We
are happy to pay a fair price per minute if somebody will take it.

You could take, or threaten to take, the route of reporting your upstream 
termination carriers for noncompliance with the FCC's order on the subject. :-)

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-order-combating-rural-call-completion-problems

-- Alex

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Re: [VoiceOps] SIP provider that will route to free conference services

[John Levine]

In article  
you write:
>We have a few customers who need to reach free conference call services and 
>none of our current carriers will route the calls.
>Are there any providers out there that will take these calls via SIP?  We are 
>happy to pay a fair price per minute if somebody
>will take it.

Works over Callcentric.

R's,
John
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[VoiceOps] USF and Minimum Billing

[Peter Beckman]

Hey Folks --

I've got a carrier to which I've made a minimum commitment. I didn't get
around to getting my spend up to the commit, and when my contract renewed,
they billed me a minimum commit fee. Understandable, and I'm fine paying
it. I didn't get anything for it -- zero telecom-related services.

However, they also charged the USF percentage on the minimum fee.

The Language from the FCC leads me to believe that this carrier's
assessment of the USF on minimum billing is incorrect and illegal, as that
fee is not interstate nor international end-user revenues. For specific
detail, FCC Form 499-Q item 115 clearly states that the USF is to be
taxed on:

"Telecommunications provided to other universal service contributors for
resale as telecommunications or as interconnected VoIP"

The minimum fee is not telecommunications.

Additionally Form 499-A for Line 418 states:

"Line 418. — Other revenues that should not be reported in the contribution
bases; Non-interconnected VoIP Revenues. Line 418 should include all
non-telecommunications service revenues on the filer’s books, as well as
some revenues that are derived from telecommunications-related functions,
but that should not be included in the universal service or other fund
contribution bases. For example, information services offering a capability
for generating, acquiring, storing, transforming, processing, retrieving,
utilizing, or making available information via telecommunications are not
included in the universal service or other fund contribution bases."

Anyone else experience this? Or have any background? I do not believe the
carrier should charge me nor pay the FCC the USF on non-telecom fees.

Any Telecom lawyers out there?

Beckman
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